Gail Combs writes in comments:
Oh, BOY ~ I think I may have struck GOLD!
Do not forget Friday Mukamperezida: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/09/25/they-had-to-burn-the-village-to-save-it-from-global-warming/
At http://foia2011.org I searched for worldbank.org and found 32 e-mails going back as far as 1998. I have only looked at three so far. Looks like the good old World Bank may be something of a puppet master.
http://foia2011.org/index.php?id=4628
Summary for Policymakers to: Rwatson
Dear Bob, [Robert Watson of World Bank]
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to react to your thinking. It forces us to think more clearly about the main messages. I must admit that I am somewhat confused about the 26 page summary, since this comes very close to (although it is different from) the full-scale document the various teams are currently writing. My view would be that those teams take their own text as the starting point and try to improve/shorten it on the basis of your text. Here, I only respond to your main messages in italics and mainly focus on WG3 issues…..
Question 2:
I would not include a WG3 paragraph, like “The Kyoto Protocol has led to thecreation of new market mechanisms”……
Long but worth reading. Seems Robert Watson of the World Bank was TELLING good old Rajendra Pachauri and the crowd what to put into the Summary for Policymakers
I wonder what the crowd at Occupy Wall Street would think of this e-mail?
http://foia2011.org/index.php?id=4953
is about drumming up CAGW projects for the “USAID on the Supplemental Grant Program” and R. Watson at the World Bank is copied.
Here is another goodie where Kenneth M. Chomitz of the World Bank is interfering with how a peer reviewed journal is run.
Editorial for Climate Policy, Issue 2.
…. Dear Michael,
I really like the solution of presenting view and counterview articles. I retain some reservations about your proposed editorial. It seems to me that you have the difficult problem of wearing two hats: one as the advocate of particular policies and viewpoints, and the other as an editor of a journal which aspires to be a neutral forum for policy discussion. I appreciate and sympathize with the depth and grounding of your personal views. However, as editor, it seems to me, you have to bend over backwards to be neutral. The editorial uses charged words like ‘demonize’ and could easily spark the war of words you wish to avoid. A strongly worded editorial risks associating the journal with a particular viewpoint, and hence reducing the journal’s value and reputation as a neutral forum….
Kenneth M. Chomitz
Development Research Group
World Bank
…..
from: Hadi Dowlatabadi
subject: Re: [New] Editorial for Climate Policy, Issue 2.
Dear Ken,
I agree with your perspective, but why not set a realistic target? The editorial columns at Science, Nature and New Scientist have rarely hidden their subjective perspectives. I think there are shades to this, and Michael can be a shade grayer, but the passion is also important.
The dialogue approach allows him to be editor, hold strong opinions, but still be viewed as someone who is willing to listen. This is how Steve Schneider has conducted his reign at Climatic Change and I believe despite his well known personal perspectives he has been able to draw on many in the community to contribute to the dialogue that defines the differences in perspectives permeating this subject.
Hadi
So it seems the Professional journals are also getting direction from the World Bank.
Climategate the present that just gives and gives. I can not wait to get back to the other 29 e-mails.
My search is here: http://foia2011.org/index.php?id=4&search=worldbank.org&sisea_offset=0
So not only do the warmista turkeys constantly ‘vote for Christmas’ with their cap-n-trade, carbon taxes and windmill subsidies – they also invite the fox into the chicken shed.
Certifiable is just one word of many..
Gail, the two words that best describe my feelings after reading your post are: THANK YOU..
ChE says:
November 24, 2011 at 8:36 am
I’m trying to think of a legitimate reason for the World Bank to be involved in any of this.
Thinking … thinking …
I’m as stumped as Phil Jones with an Excel spreadsheet.
Hey, ChE –
Did the word “conspiracy” pass through your “thinking…thinking…” mind?
The problem is nobody cares and the green machine is now so powerful it cannot be stopped. Read the utter crap coming out of cop17 on twitter and green bloggers. Its a steamroller.
They are quite keen on bankers
4092.txt
date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:00:38 +0100
from: Trevor Davies
subject: goldman-sachs
to: j.palutiko p.jones,m.hulme
Jean,
We (Mike H) have done a modest amount of work on degree-days for G-S. They
now want to extend this. They are involved in dealing in the developing
energy futures market.
G-S is the sort of company that we might be looking for a ‘strategic
alliance’ with. I suggest the four of us meet with ?? (forgotten his name)
for an hour on the afternoon of Friday 12 June (best guess for Phil & Jean
– he needs a date from us). Thanks.
Trevor
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Professor Trevor D. Davies
Climatic Research Unit
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ
United Kingdom
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There’s a lot of people in the AGW bed.
Grepping through the original file, I see 32 emails that reference “worldbank.org” but if I do a different search:
grep -i “world bank” * | cut -d”:” -f1 | sort | uniq
Those would be files that MENTION “word bank” (in either upper or lower case). What is interesting is that MOST of the emails that mention “world bank” do not have a world bank email address in them. For example this one from Phil Jones where he is copying around some information from an publication called “Carbon Trader” 0073.txt
Also there is one to Briffa Re: Carbon trading in the Middle East that ends with “See you in Abu Dhabi.” 0225.txt
So the emails that mention “World Bank” but do NOT contain any worldbank.org addresses (those are for some reason a more interesting set to me but I have only looked at the two mentioned above) are:
0073.txt 0225.txt 0563.txt 0660.txt 0864.txt 1265.txt 1353.txt 1636.txt 1776.txt 1854.txt 2192.txt 2345.txt 2634.txt 2704.txt 3303.txt 3515.txt 3550.txt 4127.txt 4795.txt 4992.txt 5071.txt 5107.txt
5154.txt 5161.txt 5199.txt 5277.txt 5280.txt 5340.txt
This all makes me very curious about any “Green” investments made by members of “the cause” as they would have insight into this particular market and could directly influence these markets with their work.
Would it be too much of a stretch to say the World Bank would be supportive of One World Government?
Only if you have a reading comprehension problem.
A big Thank You, Gail, for your hard work.
The information you dug up is truly scandalous.
As many of us have maintained for some time now, it isn’t just about the abuse and perversion of science, it is about politics.
This new batch of e-mails makes it abundantly clear that they work for a “cause”.
Now you’ve dug out the money providers who implement the politics of the “cause”, with the post of scizzorsbill above illustrating what that looks like in detail.
I hope the Thanksgiving turkey will stick in the throat of all those World bankers.
@ur momisugly Gail Combs –
The emails you’ve highlighted seem to be only a part of both previous and follow-on conversations, do they not?
Wonder where the “rest of the story” is.
Bob Watson, ex World bank, ex IPCC chair, now UK Defra chief scientific advisor. Corruption in high places. Follow the money.
meemoe_uk says:
November 24, 2011 at 10:21 am
breaking news : international bankers directly fund & express personal interest in AGW religion !!!
date of news : 18th Nov 1987 : by George Hunt
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As a farmer I was well aware of Hunt’s Report thanks to Derry Brownfield, a reporter who tangled with Monsanto.
As you said George Hunt’s report was torpedoed That is why these emails are important. It is tougher to kill them. They make a strong link in the chain.
Nicholas Stern of the UK Stern Report fame was Chief Economist at the World Bank – what a small world these people occupy!
Well, I am not going to have time to dig into this as we have some family activities scheduled but something is starting to get a funny smell to it. On one hand, members of “The Cause” are in direct contact with members of the World Bank. On the other hand, they have apparently keen interest in various investment news mentioning the World Bank. Now, I don’t believe they would be so sloppy as to use their work accounts for managing their personal investments (would they?) and while I have seen no smoking gun, there is kind of a whiff of smoke in the air. 2428.txt is interesting. Pay attention to emails with “co2.org” in them. Some of them seem to be about manipulation of things in Russia but there seems to be a money angle with some of them.
Actually, john.ashton with co2.org seems to be in a lot of emails. And why is “Bronnert Deborah [FCO] – Moscow, Russian Federation” (apparently an embassy staffer at the UK embassy in Moscow) in these discussions?
Did I say 2428.txt is interesting? That is where they start talking about using the G8 to advance their agenda. There’s money here someplace, but we probably won’t find it in their work emails.
4631.txt to e.l. jones (probably some UN staffer) is told that “carbontrader.org” is a good site to follow and apparently is also mentioned in 3432.txt where her bona fides were being established “. 3432.txt is kindof hilarious:
World Bank, BP, Shell, hey what’s the problem?
I clicked on the middle reference, giving RWatson’s thoughts. It was very badly formatted, which made it hard to read.
I did not get so much an impression of conspiracy so much as a very intelligent and powerful man who sincerely believes the AGW claptrap and is trying to be as responsible as possible. It seems quite clear that most of the world’s fabulously wealthy or politically powerfull elites actually believe that AGW hysteria will save the world.
His gardeners mow his lawns in Summer, not winter, just as yours do. The hockey stick is a COMPLAINT that the Earth’s biosphere seems to be more vigorous than it used to be. We know that both CO2 and warmer temperatures benefit life. If we ever get these simple realities across to these people, it will be an important step toward REALLY saving the world for living organisms.
Pay attention to emails referencing co2.org, too. You see a lot of message manipulation in those.
Great find!
Or give them an excellent investment opportunity if they are politically connected and know in advance where the money will be flowing and what the message is going to be.
Great detective work Gail.
This does not actually surprise me in the least. Fits the big picture. But so much better when detailed puzzle pieces like this are found.
Lady Life Grows says:
November 24, 2011 at 11:58 am
” It seems quite clear that most of the world’s fabulously wealthy or politically powerfull elites actually believe that AGW hysteria will save the world.”
Don’t think so. They believe that the AGW hysteria will make them more rich and powerful, and create a better system for maintaining or enhancing their position.
They only care about saving THEIR world.
JohnWho says:
November 24, 2011 at 11:35 am
@ur momisugly Gail Combs –
The emails you’ve highlighted seem to be only a part of both previous and follow-on conversations, do they not?
Wonder where the “rest of the story” is.
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There is plenty of digging to do on both sets of emails. Not only on the World Bank but the IMF, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Chase ……
There is also the Farmland grab that Scizzorbill mentioned: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/24/world-bank-global-warming-journals-and-cru/#comment-807254
It gets even better if you follow the strings.
US universities in Africa ‘land grab’
Institutions including Harvard and Vanderbilt reportedly use hedge funds to buy land in deals that may force farmers out http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/08/us-universities-africa-land-grab
And here is the US government involvement again. (This is the tree of choice for carbon credits an aggressive invasive plant)
I can not believe the liberals (or conservatives) would continue to support these people.
Oh and just to make it more fun, a eucalyptus can sprout and grow up to twenty feet in a year from a fresh stump, and I thought sweet gum was bad……
They forgot to add:
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!
Gail Combs:
I think everyone is aware that there is a larger, behind the scenes, hand manipulating the duped AGW scientists and environmental NGOs (in fact most). To speak of it, however, places the speaker automatically in the whacko room with UFO & Sasquatches. I really don’t think anything can be done to alter the final solution. Happy Thanksgiving! GK
/sarc
Note “sarc” is off –
It really is worse than we thought.
World Bank, Big Oil, WWF, BBC, and more.
And the complacent main stream media which should be all over this.