
Apparently, Monckton is a member of the House of Lords, according to constitutional lawyer in England.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, I’m just in it for the popcorn sales. That said, here’s the plot summary.
A lot of the alarmist side of blogosphere (especially John Cook at SkS and Tim Lambert at Deltoid) spent a lot of time trying to distract from the science presented during Lord Monckton’s summer tour in Australia. Of course, Monckton himself made some ugly distractions at the outset, with a poorly chosen comparison of Ross Garnaut.
That row aside, basically as the tour went on, they didn’t like the message, so they attacked the man.
Here’s how the peerage title tiff got started. Responding to some small outrage in the southern hemisphere, and some emails that came his way as a result, Dave Beamish, Clerk of the UK Parliaments, posted up a letter on the House of Lords’ official website telling Lord Monckton not to call himself a member of the House of Lords. Trouble is, Dave had gotten it wrong.
Hundreds, perhaps thousands of articles, commentaries and blog postings were aimed at Monckton, for having answered an Australian Broadcasting Corporation radio interviewer in August 2011 by saying he was a member of the House of Lords, “but without the right to sit or vote”.
This is sort of like being an “ex US senator”. They enjoy certain rights and privileges of the once held office, like getting to use the library and automobile parking in the senate, but they don’t get to vote of course. In England, these sorts of privileges get passed down hereditarily, such as in Monckton’s case. While “hereditary US Senator” probably wouldn’t fly in the USA, England and its Monarchy has its ways of tradition that don’t translate to such expectations in other countries.
Monckton, on returning from Australia from his tour this autumn, consulted Hugh O’Donoghue, a leading constitutional lawyer at Carmelite Chambers, overlooking the River Thames just a mile downstream from the Houses of Parliament. His question: “Am I or am I not a member of the House of Lords?”
O’Donoghue, who specializes in difficult human-rights cases and Peerage law, spent months carefully researching Monckton’s question. He says Lord Monckton “was and is correct at all points”. The conclusion of his 11-page opinion (see PDF at bottom of this article) , reviewing 1000 years of Peerage law, is clear on the issue:
“Lord Monckton’s statement that he is a member of the House of Lords, albeit without the right to sit or vote, is unobjectionable. His claim is not a false or misleading claim. It is legitimate, proportionate, and reasonable. Likewise, Lord Monckton was correct when he wrote to the US Congress that ‘Letters Patent granting Peerages, and consequently membership [of the House of Lords], are the personal gift of the Monarch. Only a specific law can annul a grant. The 1999 Act was a general law.’ He legitimately drew attention to a parliamentary answer by no less a personage than the Leader of the House, making it plain that the Act was a general law and not a particular law that might have had the effect of revoking Letters Patent. We now have the recent authority of the High Court, in the Mereworth case, for Lord Monckton’s assertion that the 1999 Act did not revoke or annul his Letters Patent. Unless and until such revocation takes place, Lord Monckton remains a member of the House of Lords, and he is fully entitled to say so.”
Lord Monckton has sent copies of the Opinion by registered mail to the Lord Speaker (Baroness d’Souza) and to the chairman of the Privileges Committee (Lord Brabazon of Tara). I have a copy too.
Monckton said:
“I am awaiting with interest the response of the soi-disant ‘authorities’ at the House of Lords to Mr. O’Donoghue’s definitive statement of the law as he sees it. At the very least, it is surely clear that I am entitled, in what is supposed to be a free society, to speak freely about my point of view.
“Dave Beamish has made a prize ass of himself. This criminous clerk has brought the already-tarnished House of Lords and the ancient office of clericus Parliamentorum into further disrepute. His position is now untenable. He must resign at once, or be fired by the House. I was embarrassed by having had to deflect journalists’ questions about whether Dave has been in league with climate-extremist lobby groups. I was not and am not in a position to answer those questions.
“I hope that, for the sake of sparing further harm to elderly and vulnerable family members who have been getting hate-mail as a result of Dave’s unprecedented and extraordinary abuse of his office, the House ‘authorities’ – if that is the right word – will have the common courtesy and good sense to take down his offending and offensive letter from Parliament’s website and replace it with an apology.”
To people outside of England, who don’t deal in formal titles of hereditary peerage, this might look like an overblown egotistic row . But in England, such things are considered very important and are a tradition of position that affects families and reputations going back centuries.
In short, Lord Monckton is not amused, less so at the boys down under than at the Clerk of Parliaments, Dave Beamish, in London. He adds in his letter:
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The Summary of Mr. O’Donoghue’s learned Opinion reads as follows:
“I am asked to consider whether The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley was correct when, in a recent radio interview in Australia, he answered the question ‘Are you a member of the House of Lords?’ by saying, ‘Yes, but without the right to sit or vote.’ My conclusion is that Lord Monckton’s answer was and is correct at all points. We have the authority of two Law Lords in the Privileges Committee that the meaning of the words ‘membership of the House’ in the Act is confined to the right to sit and vote. The implication is that in all other respects excluded Hereditary Peers remain members of the House. Also, the Letters Patent that created Peerages such as that of Monckton of Brenchley have not been revoked, and we have the recent authority both of the Leader of the House and of the High Court for that. Though the House of Lords Act 1999 purported to remove ‘membership of the House of Lords’ from excluded Hereditary Peers including Lord Monckton’s late father, its constitutionality is questionable. Peerages entail membership of the House. Lord Monckton is correct to state that he does not at present have the right to sit or vote, though if the 1999 Act is unconstitutional the excluded Hereditary Peers are unlawfully excluded. Therefore, Lord Monckton remains a Member not only of the Peerage but also of the House of Lords, save only that he cannot for now sit or vote there, and he was and is fully entitled to say so.”
The ancient common-law offense of wilful misfeasance in a public office gives the citizen the right of redress against a defalcating public official who might otherwise persist in his crime with impunity. In the present case, the rap-sheet might read as follows:
“You, Dave Beamish, Clerk of the Parliaments, of the House of Lords, London, SW1A 0PW, are charged with wilful misfeasance in a public office, contrary to common law, in that, on a date unknown in July or August 2011, in London, you did knowingly and without lawful excuse cause to be posted on the House of Lords’ official website a letter to The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley falsely stating that the said Viscount Monckton of Brenchley is not entitled to say that he is a member of the House of Lords, and that upon repeated request to desist you wilfully and harmfully persisted in the said misfeasance.”
Section 21 of the Data Protection Act 1998 creates the offense of unlawfully processing unregistered data. Here, the rap-sheet might read:
“You, Dave Beamish, Clerk of the Parliaments, of the House of Lords, London, SW1A 0PW, are charged with unlawfully processing unregistered data, contrary to Section 21, Data Protection Act 1998, in that, on a date unknown in July or August 2011, in London, you did knowingly, harmfully and without lawful excuse cause sensitive personal information about The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley to be published on the House of Lords’ official website.”
Article 8-1 of the European Human Rights Convention, enacted by the Human Rights Act 1998 in the UK, gives everyone “the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence” and states plainly that (except on grounds manifestly inapplicable here) “there shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right”.
Under Freedom of Information law the disclosure of the Clerk’s letter to Monckton is a misfeasance at least fourfold. The Act prohibits disclosure of the Clerk’s letter in that the disclosure is a breach of an enactment (the Human Rights Act); and a breach of a Community obligation (the EU has adopted the human rights convention); and the Act exempts disclosures of sensitive personal information (the Clerk could have given his opinion about excluded Hereditary Peers without mentioning Monckton by name); and exempts disclosures of confidential information (it was calculated to cause harm). Breaches of the Human Rights Act and of the FOIA do not give rise to offenses, but are actionable in damages, as is libel. A complaint has gone to the UK’s Information Commissioner. Furthermore, as Hugh O’Donoghue’s Opinion says: “Lord Monckton may legitimately raise not only the matter but also the manner of the conduct of officials of the House with the Privileges Committee.”
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Lord Monckton is quite skilled in oratory skewering. Thus, I had to look up “defalcating”. It has roots in the bankruptcy code. I think he’s implying Mr. Beamish was/is morally bankrupt.
In short, don’t mock the Monck for his title. Here’s the PDF of the legal opinion:
O’Donoghue-lords-opinion (PDF 335k)
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Well, now. They have managed to take the discussion completely off track, haven’t they? We are no longer focused on the climate but on someone’s right to claim membership in the House of Lords.
The tactics of the political left are to always attack the messenger if they can not argue the message and force the messenger to devote time and resources responding to the personal attack which gets the focus off of the actual message that was trying to be communicated.
Maurizio Morabito (omnologos) says: November 20, 2011 at 4:38 pm
I agree, his not quoting ‘in extenso’ (it’s catching) is significant. It seems the Clerk has a case to answer.
Armagh Observatory says: November 20, 2011 at 4:39 pm
My only brush with the Peerage was a pleasant night’s drinking session with a noble lord in a back street bar in Belfast about 20 years ago.
Drunk as a Lord on Beamish (Stout) perhaps?
Some American commentators who find the use of titles of peerage archaic seem to forget the common US usage of most to use an working title for life. ie Ambassador. 18 months on the job but used for the rest of your life. Same goes for President. There are currently 3 Presidents. Two Bushes and a Clinton. There is of course only one POTUS.
Jack Greer says: November 20, 2011 at 7:44 pm
A lawyer, whom he pays,
Do you know any other sort? If you do, what are the values of their opinions?
@NyqOnly
Deeply misleading? To whom? Only those who know little to nothing about peerages. If the Aussies and Americans would not opine in a vacuum about UK affairs embarassing themselves in the process and stick instead to climate science, all of this blather would be unnecessary. It is only because the ignorant have invented an erroneous point and multiplied it that there is any ‘controversy’ at all. He did not ‘manage to find’ a legal case, he stated the truth. It would be good if Hansen ‘managed to find’ that the Earth is on average no longer heating up or ‘managed to find’ a 60 year heating and cooling cycle or ‘managed to find’ any of a wide ranges of truths about the climate or those stupid computer models of it, then state so publicly. Talking about ‘deeply misleading’, look no further than the IPCC reports. Sterling examples of lording it over the public, taxation without representation and technically false claims.
@ur momisugly R. Gates says: November 20, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Sadly it’s not that simple for we “commoners” in the UK and it’s a constitutional thing. Our last government was embarassed on a few occasions by our Lords pointing out how bad some of our new legislation was. The government’s solution was to impose ‘reform’ on the House of Lords, and replace ‘difficult’ characters like Lord Monckton with more ameniable characters like Bryony Worthington. She was made a Baroness for services to Friends of the Earth, lobbying and giving the UK the most expensive and wasteful piece of legislation in our history, our Climate Change Act.
This is the clincher: Though the House of Lords Act 1999 purported to remove ‘membership of the House of Lords’
Unless the constitutional Validity of the law is successfully challenged the law remains on the statute books and in effect and ‘membership of the House of Lords’ has been removed from Monckton and other hereditary Lords, a legal opinion to the contrary counts for squat.
What I fail to understand is why someone as perspicacious as Monckton is so insistent on his hereditary title. He is unable to see that the fact that his grandfather, a Cabinet Minister under Winston Churchill, was ennobled strengthens his own claim to speak on climate science. Surely his degree in Classics and Diploma in Journalism should be qualifications enough.
On the other hand, the Royal College of Armes & Legges (est 1341) is definitive -” all Scotch lairds calling themselves, or any vasall in their employ, ‘lords’ are persona non grata South of Gretna Green.
Jack Greer says:
November 20, 2011 at 8:56 pm
R. Shearer says:
November 20, 2011 at 8:13 pm
“Poor Jack Greer, all he can do is mock, call one names and in the face of evidence contrary to his beliefs claim BS.
I’m sorry, R., where, exactly, did I call Monckton names? Here, let me give you some ammunition … Monckton is a skilled showman, not a climate expert.
Did you, for example, followed the actual content and veracity of John Abraham’s critique of Monckton’s dishonest U.S. university presentations? (http://www.stthomas.edu/engineering/jpabraham/) When Monckton threatened Abraham with law suites (which he does frequently) with a 99 page document of bluster which didn’t address primary points of Abraham’s critique, did you see Abraham’s reply? (http://skepticalscience.com/Abraham-reply-to-Monckton.html)
Did you view the BBC documentary “Meet the Skeptics” in it’s entirety, particularly when they confronted Monckton with one of his “untruths”? … and did you view Monckton’s response?
Did you read the climate scientists response to Monckton’s May 2010 testimony to the US Congress? (http://www.skepticalscience.com/Monckton-response.pdf)
Let me assure you that my mockery of Monckton is 100% based on evidence and reality. Shame on those who take Christopher seriously.”
critique by Monkton
Jack you misrepresent the facts and falsely portray with your links. Abraham’s reply was to a much shorter critique by Monckton, here http://cfact.eu/2010/06/04/climate-the-extremists-join-the-debate-at-last/ (Which you failed to link to) Moncktons detailed reply was here…http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/response_to_john_abraham.pdf and in his several hundred questions to Abraham, (Which detail every one of Abraham’s complaints) Abraham has failed to respond. So if you wish to go further with this I suggest you answer the questions Monckton asks Abraham, everyone of which is on point and directly to the hit piece slide show you and Abraham sadly call science.
The debate as to whether Christopher Monckton is, or is not, a member of the House of Lords might seem comically archaic to Americans on a superficial level, but there is an important principle here that they can surely relate to. It is fundamentally about the rule of law. Monckton’s point is that he remains a member of the Lords if that is what the law precisely states. He cannot be deprived of his status merely because some in authority would wish it. Such a principle is worth defending. If the law can be twisted to deny him what the law says is due to him, then what protection is left to the common mass of the British people ?
I can well imagine that Dave is a left wing greeny, sort of a 5th columnist in the House.
Larry Fields says:
November 20, 2011 at 10:10 pm
This is as good an occasion as any for Larry’s stoopid question of the day. Aside from Clarendon, about which I did not know before today, I wasn’t aware that England had a constitution.
Yet I’ve read terms like constitutional and unconstitutional in this thread. Does Clarendon plus the later Magna Carta count as the whole constitution? What’s up with that?
Clarendon: Constitutions of – 1164: Henry II limiting powers of clergy, leading to spat with Becket; Assize of – 1166; beginning of law reforms, including evidence-based trials rather than trial by ordeal.
That’s quite enough Clarendon, if y’all don’t mind. Clarendon Palace is now a ruin, and I tenant a house next door, living here in peace and tranquility. Last thing I want is a procession of climate tourists knocking on the door looking for the tomb of Lord Monckton
fc
So Monckton has paid a lawyer to argue his case for being a member of the house of lords and in the Lawyer’s opinion he should be.
If only all legal disputed could be settled by paying a lawyer to write a letter of opinion about the matter it’d be a lot simpler.
I remain spectical about this…
We have a saying in the UK; The House of Commons Rules and the House of Lords overrulles. That is until Tony Blair decided to “reform” the HoL, remove the voting rights of most hereditary peers and stuff it with grateful life peers who would pass laws that a more intransigent, brakes applying hereditary HoL might otherwise spike for being wrong or unfair in some ways. I must tell you that not all life peers are bad. There are, in fact, some very good ones.
It means that common sense hereditary peers (yes, they do exist despite what the career politicians claim and there are even some very good life peers) like Monckton were disenfranchised so they couldn’t spike unwelcome and authoritarian legislation (e.g. the suicidal Climate Bill) the recently instated and still grateful life peers cheerfully voted for. A couple of years ago some of these life peers were caught red handed accepting six figure bribes to alter and pass legislation for the benefit of large corporations (and to the detriment of the UK public) and found themselves suspened from the House. Then there was the cash for peerages scandal that severely tainted the Blair administration (he was interviewed by the police while still in office) and is still rumbling away even now. Blair turned our parliamentary and legal systems into a sick travesty (it wasn’t brilliant to begin with) and that crime is being rigorouslycompounded by the current government despite it’s early pretentions to right Labour wrongs and roll back deeply authoritarian and unfair legislation some of which the Tories, while in Opposition, has actually voted in favour of.
Dave Beamish, who has worked for the HoL for a long time and isn’t a stupid man, ought to know better. But then, since Monckton is a major thorn in the side of our Greenest Government™ ever, it is possible that dirty tricks were deployed to try and shut him up and make him look ridiculous and dangerously stupid. On the contrary, it is the UK government that is ridiculous and dangerously stupid .
Beamish should be ashamed of himself either for making such a fundamental mistake or to allow himself to be used in this way..
Ric Werne says (4.26p.m.):
(BTW, it is apodictic that climate changes.) Hmm, Firefox’s spell check likes none of them.
My trusty New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary explains apodictic as being:
“clearly demonstrated or established”
Mike Jowsey
I never said that Monckton wasn’t legally entitled to use his title – what I was trying to say was that his message is more easily derided, at least in the UK, by his overuse of his title. Portcullis logos on his graphs FFS!
Thanks for reducing the point to my “baggage” but if I were unique and everyone else was getting the message more effectively as a result of this then I would shrug and keep quiet. However, the force of his arguments are not getting through to a lot of people because he is easily mocked by the CAGW crowd.
Crosspatch: Exactly, so if Monckton wants his message to be the important thing he shouldn’t overplay the peerage, then his opponents would have a less easy target.
Wallis: Most individual British people don’t tie themselves in knots about their attitude towards royalty, it’s more that some people have one attitude, other people another. However even many royalists would find the portcullises on graphs pretty crass.
I WANT Monckton’s message to be the story but his insistence on playing up his title, whether or not it is legally correct, detracts from his message. This posting wouldn’t exist if this wasn’t the case.
I am most grateful to Anthony Watts for having kindly circulated the news of the legal Opinion that establishes that I am indeed a member of the House of Lords, and to the many correspondents here who have indicated such generous support. God bless you all.
The trolls, of course, are never entirely absent, and they have referred to Mr. Abraham’s attempt to deconstruct an address on climate that I gave in Minnesota two years ago. My point-by-point refutation of that lamentable and less than intellectually scrupulous attack is at http://www.scienceandpublicpolicy.org. As for the 20 climate “scientists” who devoted a rambling, diffuse, inspissate 80-page tome to attempting to demolish just four pages of testimony that I had given before Congress, 16 were Climategate emailers. The burden of their prolix expatiation was that there is a “consensus”. For “consensus” read “party line”.
Frankly, it is time that the tiny but well-connected and lavishly-funded clique that has been driving this scare from the outset realized that the science is in, the truth is out, the game is up and the scare is over.
And a word of advice to the hapless Beamish. Dave, baby, a line or two of Shakespeare for you: “Stand not upon the order of your going, but go at once.”
It should be noted that a mere ‘accident of birth’ give one person full US citizenship and another, born elsewhere, no right to enter, to work, to save or to raise a family in the USA – despite perhaps being in all respects a more productive and morally superior individual. I thought that ‘all men are created equal’ and endowed with ‘certain rights’?
If the AGW crowd should have dismissed his views on climate change because he falsely claimed hereditary title to the House of Lords, then do they now have to accept his views because he actually wasn’t claiming falsely? (/sarc… of course this is a logical fallacy…. but that’s the only logic some people in the debate know)
I intend to wear a Fake Nobel Pin too, if I can find one. If Pachauri and Gore have a real one, I suppose I’m entitled to wear at least a fake. In my defense I note that I can think, while they only have opinion, and a surreal one at that.
Well done Lord Monckton. Well fought.
I have to say that I for one wanted to see a more democratically elected second chamber, but one gradually introduced over several years. Having seen some of the open corruption by the new system of appointed party life-peers (in name only, thankfully), by asking for vast sums of cash to support a partivular lobby group or other, I now realise that what we have removed was superior to what we have got! The purpose of the HoLs was to originally advise & guide the Commons, (much as the Monarch’s function is to guide & advise the Prime Minister) as well as act as a second chamber of checks & balances.
Monckton:
Not only great language but accurate. The scare is over.
Crispin in Waterloo says: November 20, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Young Crispin, you have too much idle time on your hands.
That said, it is uncanny that people such as Gilbert/Sullivan, Lewis Carroll, Mark Twain, Monty Python, Tom Lehrer- who followed after the serious classicists – have made numerous quotable contributions to Life in the decades after their peaks. Prescience aplenty. It’s also interesting that some were scientists (Carroll, Lehrer) or graduates from good universities (Python).
FWIW, the Tom Lehrer line that marks the man for me is “Who cares where they come down? That’s not my department, says Wernher von Braun.” Read it in the context of climate science scare stories going up.