Replicating Al Gore's Climate 101 video experiment shows that his "high school physics" could never work as advertised

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Readers may recall my previous essay where I pointed out how Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 Video, used in his “24 hours of climate reality”, had some serious credibility issues with editing things to make it appear as if they had actually performed the experiment, when they clearly did not. It has taken me awhile to replicate the experiment. Delays were a combination of acquisition and shipping problems, combined with my availability since I had to do this on nights and weekends. I worked initially using the original techniques and equipment, and I’ve replicated the Climate 101 experiment in other ways using improved equipment. I’ve compiled several videos. My report follows.

First. as a refresher, here’s the Climate 101 video again:

I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:30, where the experiment is presented.

And here’s my critique of it: Video analysis and scene replication suggests that Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project fabricated their Climate 101 video “Simple Experiment”

The most egregious faked presentation in that video was the scene with the split screen thermometers, edited to appear as if the temperature in the jar of elevated CO2 level was rising faster than the jar without elevated CO2 level.

It turns out that the thermometers were never in the jar recording the temperature rise presented in the split screen and the entire presentation was nothing but stagecraft and editing.

This was proven beyond a doubt by the photoshop differencing technique used to compare each side of the split screen. With the exception of the moving thermometer fluid, both sides were identical.

difference process run at full resolution - click to enlarge

Exposing this lie to the viewers didn’t set well with some people, include the supposed “fairness” watchdogs over at Media Matters, who called the analysis a “waste of time”. Of course it’s only a “waste of time” when you prove their man Gore was faking the whole thing, otherwise they wouldn’t care. Personally I consider it a badge of honor for them to take notice because they usually reserve such vitriol for high profile news they don’t like, so apparently I have “arrived”.

The reason why I took so much time then to show this chicanery was Mr. Gore’s pronouncement in an interview the day the video aired.

His specific claim was:

“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011

So easy a high school kid can do it. Right?

Bill Nye, in his narration at 0:48 in the video says:

You can replicate this effect yourself in a simple lab experiment, here’s how.

…and at 1:10 in the video Nye says:

Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.

So, I decided to find out if that was true and if anyone could really replicate that claim, or if this was just more stagecraft chicanery. I was betting that nobody on Gore’s production team actually did this experiment, or if they did do it, it wasn’t successful, because otherwise, why would they have to fake the results in post production?

The split screen video at 1:17, a screencap of which is a few paragraphs above shows a temperature difference of 2°F. Since Mr. Gore provided no other data, I’ll use that as the standard to meet for a successful experiment.

The first task is to get all the exact same equipment. Again, since Mr. Gore doesn’t provide anything other than the video, finding all of that took some significant effort and time. There’s no bill of materials to work with so I had to rely on finding each item from the visuals. While I found the cookie jars and oral thermometers early on, finding the lamp fixtures, the heat lamps for them, the CO2 tank and the CO2 tank valve proved to be more elusive. Surprisingly, the valve turned out to be the hardest of all items to locate, taking about two weeks from the time I started searching to the time I had located it, ordered it and it arrived. The reason? It isn’t called a valve, but rather a “In-Line On/Off Air Adapter”. Finding the terminology was half the battle. Another surprise was finding that the heat lamps and fixtures were for lizards and terrariums and not some general purpose use. Fortunately the fixtures and lamps were sold together by the same company. While the fixtures supported up to 150 watts, Mr. Gore made no specification on bulb type or wattage, so I chose the middle of the road 100 watt bulbs from the 50, 100, and 150 watt choices available.

I believe that I have done due diligence (as much as possible given no instructions from Gore) and located all the original equipment to accurately replicate the experiment as it was presented. Here’s the bill of materials and links to suppliers needed to replicate Al Gore’s experiment as it is shown in the Climate 101 video:

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BILL OF MATERIALS

QTY 2 Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid

http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543

QTY2 Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/

QTY 2 Globe Coin Bank

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386

QTY 2 Fluker`s Repta Clamp-Lamp with Ceramic Sockets for Terrariums (max 150 watts, 8 1/2 Inch Bulb) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fluker-s-Repta-Clamp-Lamp-150-watts-8-1-2-Inch-Bulb-/200663082632

QTY2 Zoo Med Red Infrared Heat Lamp 100W

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200594870618

QTY1 Empire – Pure Energy – Aluminum Co2 Tank – 20 oz

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190563856367

QTY 1 RAP4 In-Line On/Off Air Adapter

http://www.rap4.com/store/paintball/rap4-in-line-on-off-air-adapter

QTY 1 flexible clear plastic hose, 48″ in length, from local Lowes hardware to fit RAP4 In-Line On/Off Air Adapter above.

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Additionally, since Mr. Gore never actually proved that CO2 had been released from the CO2 paintball tank into one of the jars, I ordered a portable CO2 meter for just that purpose:

It has a CO2 metering accuracy of: ± 50ppm ±5% reading value. While not laboratory grade, it works well enough to prove the existence of elevated CO2 concentrations in one of the jars. It uses a non-dispersive infrared diffusion sensor (NDIR) which is self calibrating, which seems perfect for the job.

carbon dioxide temperature humidity monitorData Sheet

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Once I got all of the equipment in, the job was to do some testing to make sure it all worked. I also wanted to be sure the two oral thermometers were calibrated such they read identically. For that, I prepared a water bath to conduct that experiment.

CAVEAT: For those that value form over substance, yes these are not slick professionally edited videos like Mr. Gore presented. They aren’t intended to be. They ARE intended to be a complete, accurate, and most importantly unedited record of the experimental work I performed. Bear in mind that while Mr. Gore has million$ to hire professional studios and editors, all I have is a consumer grade video camera, my office and my wits. If I were still working in broadcast television, you can bet I would have done this in the TV studio.

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STEP 1 Calibrate the Oral Thermometers

Here’s my first video showing how I calibrated the oral thermometers, which is very important if you want to have an accurate experimental result.

Note that the two thermometers read 98.1°F at the conclusion of the test, as shown in this screencap from my video @ about 5:35:

STEP 2 Calibrate the Infrared Thermometer

Since I plan to make use of an electronic Infrared thermometer in these experiments, I decided to calibrate it against the water bath also. Some folks may see this as unnecessary, since it is pre-calibrated, but I decided to do it anyway. It makes for interesting viewing

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STEP 3 Demonstrate how glass blocks IR using  the Infrared Thermometer

The way an actual greenhouse works is by trapping infrared radiation. Glass is transparent to visible light, but not to infrared light, as we see below.

Image from: greenhousesonline.com.au
Mr. Gore was attempting to demonstrate this effect in his setup, but there’s an obvious problem: he used infrared heat lamps rather than visible light lamps. Thus, it seems highly likely that the glass jars would block the incoming infrared, and convert it to heat. That being the case, the infrared radiative backscattering effect that makes up the greenhouse effect in our atmosphere couldn’t possibly be demonstrated here in the Climate 101 video.

By itself, that would be enough to declare the experiment invalid, but not only will I show the problem of the experimental setup being flawed, I’ll go to full on replication.

Using the warm water bath and the infrared thermometer, it becomes easy to demonstrate this effect.

Since Mr. Gore’s experiment used infrared heat lamps illuminating two glass jars, I decided to test that as well:

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STEP 4 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment exactly, using the same equipment – duration of 10 minutes

At 1:10 in the Climate 101 video narrator Bill Nye the science guy says:

Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.

Since this is “simple high school physics” according to Mr. Gore, this should be a cinch to replicate. I took a “within minutes” from the narration to be just that, so I tried an experiment with 10 minutes of duration. I also explain the experimental setup and using the CO2 meter prove that CO2 is in fact injected into Jar “B”. My apologies for the rambling dialog, which wasn’t scripted, but explained as I went along. And, the camera work is one-handed while I’m speaking and setting up the experiment, so what it lacks in production quality it makes up in reality.

You’ll note that after 10 minutes, it appears there was no change in either thermometer. Also, remember these are ORAL thermometers, which hold the reading (so you can take it out of your mouth and hand it to mom and ask “can I stay home from school today”?). So for anyone concerned about the length of time after I turned off the lamps, don’t be. In order to reset the thermometers you have to shake them to force the liquid back down into the bulb.

Here’s the screencaps of the two thermometer readings from Jar A and B:

Clearly, 10 minutes isn’t enough time for the experiment to work. So let’s scratch off the idea from narration of “a few minutes” and go for a longer period:

RESULT: No change, no difference in temperature. Nothing near the 2°F rise shown in the video. Inconclusive.

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STEP 5 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment exactly, using the same equipment – duration of 30 minutes

Ok, identical setup as before, the only difference is time, the experiment runs 30 minutes long. I’ve added a digital timer you can watch as the experiment progresses.

And here are the screencaps from the video above of the results:

RESULT: slight rise and difference in temperature 97.4°F for Jar “A” Air, and 97.2°F for Jar “B” CO2. Nothing near the 2°F rise shown in the video.

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STEP 6 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment, using digital logging thermometer – duration of 30 minutes

In this experiment, I’m substituting the liquid in glass oral thermometers with some small self contained battery powered digital logging thermometers with LCD displays.

This model:

Details here

Specification Sheet / Manual

USB-2-LCD+ Temperature Datalogger

I used two identical units in the experiment replication:

And here are the results graphed by the application that comes with the datalogger. Red is Temperature, Blue is Humidity, Green is dewpoint

The graphs are automatically different vertical scales and thus can be a bit confusing, so I’ve take the raw data for each and graphed temperature only:

After watching my own video, I was concerned that maybe I was getting a bit of a direct line of the visible portion of the heat lamp into the sensor housing onto the thermistor, since they were turned on their side. So I ran the experiment again with the dataloggers mounted vertically in paper cups to ensure the thermistors were shielded from any direct radiation at any wavelength. See this video:

Both runs of the USB datalogger are graphed together below:

RESULTS:

Run 1 slight rise and difference in temperature 43.5°C for Jar “A” Air with Brief pulse to 44°C , and 43.0°C for Jar “B” CO2.

Run 2 had an ended with a 1°C difference, with plain air in Jar A being warmer than Jar “B with CO2.

Jar “A” Air temperature led Jar “B” CO2 during the entire experiment on both runs

The datalogger output files are available here:

JarA Air only run1.txt  JarB CO2 run1.txt

JarA Air only run2.txt JarB CO2 run2.txt

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STEP 7 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment exactly, using a high resolution NIST calibrated digital logging thermometer – duration of 30 minutes

In this experiment I use a high resolution (0.1F resolution) and NIST calibrated data logger with calibrated probes. Data was collected over my LAN to special software. This is the datalogger model:

Data sheet: Model E Series And the software used to log data is described here

Here’s the experiment:

I had to spend a lot of time waiting for the Jar “B” probe to come to parity with Jar “A” due to the cooling effect of the CO2 I introduced. As we all know, when a gas expands it cools, and that’s exactly what happens to CO2 released under pressure. You can see the effect early in the flat area of the graph below.

Here’s the end result screencap real-time graphing software used in the experiment, click the image to expand the graph full size.

RESULTS:

Peak value Jar A with air  was at 18:04 117.3°F

Peak value Jar B with CO2 was at 18:04 116.7°F

Once again, air led CO2 through the entire experiment.

Note that I allowed this experiment to go through a cool down after I turned off the Infrared heat lamps, which is the slope after the peak. Interestingly, while Jar “A” (probe1 in green) with Air, led Jar “B” (Probe 2 in red) with CO2, the positions reversed shortly after the lamps turned off.

The CO2 filled jar was now losing heat slower than the plain air jar, even though plain air Jar “A” had warmed slightly faster than the CO2 Jar “B”.

Here’s the datalogger output files for each probe:

Climate101-replication-Probe01-(JarA – Air).csv

Climate101-replication-Probe02-(JarB – CO2).csv

Climate101-replication-Probe03-(Ambient Air).csv

What could explain this reversal after the lamps were turned off? The answer is here at the Engineer’s Edge in the form of this table:

Heat Transfer Table of Content

This chart gives the thermal conductivity of gases as a function of temperature.

Unless otherwise noted, the values refer to a pressure of 100 kPa (1 bar) or to the saturation vapor pressure if that is less than 100 kPa.

The notation P = 0 indicates the low pressure limiting value is given. In general, the P = 0 and P = 100 kPa values differ by less than 1%.

Units are milliwatts per meter kelvin.

Note the values for Air and for CO2 that I highlighted in the 300K column. 300K is 80.3°F.

Air is a better conductor of heat than CO2.

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So, here is what I think is going on with Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 experiment.

  1. As we know, the Climate101 video used infrared heat lamps
  2. The glass cookie jars chosen don’t allow the full measure of infrared from the lamps to enter the center of the jar and affect the gas. I showed this two different ways with the infrared camera in videos above.
  3. During the experiments, I showed the glass jars heating up using the infrared camera. Clearly they were absorbing the infrared energy from the lamps.
  4. The gases inside the jars, air and pure CO2 thus had to be heated by secondary heat emission from the glass as it was being heated. They were not absorbing infrared from the lamps, but rather heat from contact with the glass.
  5. Per the engineering table, air is a better conductor of heat than pure CO2, so it warms faster, and when the lamps are turned off, it cools faster.
  6. The difference value of 2°F shown in the Climate 101 video split screen was never met in any of the experiments I performed.
  7. The condition stated in the Climate 101 video of “Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.” was not met in any of the experiments I performed. In fact it was exactly the opposite. Air consistently warmed faster than CO2.
  8. Thus, the experiment as designed by Mr. Gore does not show the greenhouse effect as we know it in our atmosphere, it does show how heat transfer works and differences in heat transfer rates with different substances, but nothing else.

Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 experiment is falsified, and could not work given the equipment he specified. If they actually tried to perform the experiment themselves, perhaps this is why they had to resort to stagecraft in the studio to fake the temperature rise on the split screen thermometers.

The experiment as presented by Al Gore and Bill Nye “the science guy” is a failure, and not representative of the greenhouse effect related to CO2 in our atmosphere. The video as presented, is not only faked in post production, the premise is also false and could never work with the equipment they demonstrated. Even with superior measurement equipment it doesn’t work, but more importantly, it couldn’t work as advertised.

The design failure was the glass cookie jar combined with infrared heat lamps.

Gore FAIL.

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UPDATE: 4PM PST Some commenters are taking away far more than intended from this essay. Therefore I am repeating this caveat I posted in my first essay where I concentrated on the video editing and stagecraft issues:

I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.

No broader take away (other than the experiment was faked and fails) was intended, expressed or implied – Anthony

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October 19, 2011 3:41 pm

Maybe Al Gore was using dog thermometers….

October 19, 2011 3:48 pm

Well, Anthony – you have officially arrived. Media Blathers has (yet again) wasted time trying to ‘prove’ anyone who is actually curious about the science or anything other than left wing propaganda, is ‘stoopid’.
But like the MMGW crowd, they have a great source of funding – George Soros.

R. Gates
October 19, 2011 3:52 pm

Joe Public says:
October 19, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Well done Anthony.
You’ve just saved mankind by proving that there’s no need to reduce CO2 production.
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Of course Anthony’s experiment did nothing of the sort, nor was it intended to. Anthony proved the Gore 101 “experiment” was never actually run, and had it been, would not have succeeded as shown on the video.

REPLY:
On this we agree. No broader take away (other than the experiment was faked and fails) was intended, expressed or implied – Anthony

David L
October 19, 2011 4:03 pm

Clearly you couldn’t get it to work because you’re not a high school student! Try the experiment with a high school student! 🙂

R. Gates
October 19, 2011 4:04 pm

Andrew says:
October 19, 2011 at 3:38 pm
BTW as an aside I reckon R gates and even Trenberth will soon be unofficial skeptics as they come to realize that nothing close to CO2 = warming is happening or likely to occur just to remain credible and obtain funds for climate research as the AGW becomes more and more fringe like loony science… LOL
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Fortunately, I think the world is a bit more complicated than that. In the several years I’ve posted here, I’ve always maintained I had a skeptical side, and even have tried to quantify it in terms of some percentage related to AGW specifically (75% certain that some level of AGW is happening, 25% skeptical). But overall, as a scientifically minded person, I am 100% skeptic about most matters (do neutrinos really travel faster than light? for example), and want to have proof shown to me with the theory behind it. Where the watershed comes is when one becomes a C-AGW “believer”, as that does, for some, approach a bit of a faith-based endeavor. But do I think that the increases in CO2 in the atmosphere that humans have caused over the past few hundred years have helped to warm the planet? Yes, I’m 75% certain they have…

Minuteman
October 19, 2011 4:06 pm

Firstly, I am of the mind that AGW/Climate Change is non-sense on stilts. Bravo to you Mr. Watts for trying to make sense of Al Gore’s dog’s breakfast of an experiment. I am a chemist and I believe that if this experiment were set up properly with tightly controlled apparati and procedures the results would be closer to a nil diference than the insignificant temperature difference you got. One point that the temperature could have varied for the CO2 towards the lower number would be in the conversion of the CO2 gas’ pressure from heat to work when released from it’s canister and into the cookie jar.
When they made the observtion “Love is Like Oxygen”, the Glam Rock group Sweet were more scientific than Al Gore on this one.

RDCII
October 19, 2011 4:09 pm

What I find amusing is that the few real trolls on this thread, such as those that say things like “OMG! I used to be a CAGW believer. But now it’s clear to me! CO2 does not absorb infrared radiation” really think Anthony is trying, in some way, to disprove AGW. It is this kind of inability shown by AGW trolls to figure out what anyone is talking about that keeps me confident about which “side” thinks more clearly.
Thank you, trolls. Keep it coming!
Anthony, if this catches any media attention, just be prepared to field the question about whether this disproves AGW theory, ’cause that’s what you’re going to get. Keep the focus on issues like the fact that glass is resistant to IR, with the implication that Gore and his team, who claim scientific competence, do not understand high-school physics and are prepared to fake the results when their own experiment doesn’t work.
The real irony here is that the video is meant to show that C02 is a greenhouse gas, and anyone who disagrees is scientifically illiterate. That the experiment as shown cannot work is amusing, but that’s only half the irony. The other half is that that’s a strawman from the beginning, since most of us believe that C02 is a greenhouse gas. The debate is elsewhere, about what effect occurs when a miniscule amount of a trace greenhouse gas is added to the atmosphere.

October 19, 2011 4:19 pm

@Matt
I have a challenge to you, can you get past the knee jerk reaction of supporting a cause? If someone fornicates an experiment to get a desired social response, is that wrong? Company A wants to get a new drug approved, so, their lab fakes the experiment and the results. They drug is approved and people suffer. Is that not wrong? A News Organization B rigs a demonstration to support their premise that something is dangerous when it is not, just for effect. Is that not wrong as well? Why should I trust any information from these people again? The answer is I will not. It is not Mr Watts’s responsibility to support the premise of these charlatans, they have damaged themselves.
Does CO2 have an affect on the atmosphere? Yes it does. Does it control the entire climate system as a prime first order drive?, So far as I have seen in the data, no. To me this experiment is much the same as the conjecture of how many Angels can sit on the head of a pin. What was tested did not represent reality, and the results were just as false as the Angels answer. The test was false, the premise laughable, and the results a pathetic attempt of cheating at a science fair project and trying to win first prize.

Green Sand
October 19, 2011 4:19 pm

R. Gates says:
October 19, 2011 at 4:04 pm
“But do I think that the increases in CO2 in the atmosphere that humans have caused over the past few hundred years have helped to warm the planet? Yes, I’m 75% certain they have…”
But what is your % certainty about what, of the latter years, the planet has done with that warmth?

Bruce
October 19, 2011 4:28 pm

Two things Anthony’s experiment (and others) do not take into account.
1) Nightfall
2) Winter
If the claim is that CO2 slows down cooling … does it slow it down enough to make up for the absence of sunshine at night and in winter when there is no visible light that turns into outgoing thermal radiation.
Maybe it would get warmer while the “sun” is shining on a properly constructed version of this experiment, but what happens when the “sun” is turned off for 8 to 16 hours a day?

October 19, 2011 4:38 pm

R Gates
Thanks for response. No I don’t doubt that CO2 has an effect as a GHG. I didn’t intend implying more than I said. I just miss that proof-laden experiment, that’s all.

AJB
October 19, 2011 4:41 pm

Matt says:
October 19, 2011 at 2:45 pm

I am merely stating that I trust the thoroughly established basic thermodynamics of CO2, and that a well-concieved [sic] experiment will demonstrate a temperature effect consistent with this classical theory.

But apparently you are perfectly willing to overlook a large part of the thoroughly established basic thermodynamics of H20.

October 19, 2011 4:46 pm

“Two things Anthony’s experiment”? When did it become Anthony’s experiment.
If there be an Anthony’s experiment here it is the demonstration of just how ready the Gore clacque is to try and drown truth in a sea of noise.

KevinK
October 19, 2011 5:07 pm

Anthony, well done, BUT;
1) You need to repeat using jar A with CO2, jar B with Air (leaving everything else unchanged). Not only do the variations in the thickness of the glass jars affect the result but lamps are notoriously variable in terms of output. We use lamps of high quality and find the output (light level and spectrum) can vary by up to +/- 10% between different lamps from the same manufacturing lot. This is when they are operated at the same DC current.
2) The thermal property you want to discuss is the “thermal diffusivity” of the gases not the thermal conductivity. Thermal diffusivity is essentially the speed of heat through a material. It considers BOTH the thermal conductivity and thermal capacity of a material. Many plastics have thermal capacities close to metals but due to their low thermal conductivity have a low speed of heat.
3) A greenhouse is NOT warmer inside (relative to the outside surroundings) because it “traps” IR radiation. This MYTH has been disproven over a century ago by R.W. Woods and more recently by Dr. Nashle. A greenhouse CONCENTRATES heat inside thusly producing a warmer interior. It is worth noting that the heat that is concentrated inside the greenhouse is denied to the outside surroundings where it would otherwise flow via convection.
4) The best explaniation of the “GHE” is that it changes the speed at which heat flows through the atmosphere. This is exactly what the pink insulation in the walls of your house accomplishes. Unfortunately the “GHE” is only capable of slowing the flow of heat by a few hundred milliseconds at most. Since there are approximately 86 million milliseconds in a day the “GHE” does not slow any heat enough so that some is “leftover” at the end of each day to cause a “higher equilibrium” temperature to exist.
5) The “GHE” only changes the “response” / “delay” / “lag” time of the gases in the atmosphere and it has NOTHING to do with the average temperature of the Earth. The average temperature of the Earth is determined primarily by the MASSIVE thermal capacity of the Oceans.
Cheers, Kevin.

October 19, 2011 5:21 pm

I like it better when the moderators are all asleep–the true to false ratio goes up remarkably.
[REPLY: the moderators NEVER sleep. We are all here. All the time. -REP]

George E. Smith;
October 19, 2011 5:38 pm

“”””” Matt says:
October 19, 2011 at 2:45 pm
I am merely stating that I trust the thoroughly established basic thermodynamics of CO2, and that a well-concieved [sic] experiment will demonstrate a temperature effect consistent with this classical theory. “””””
Well Matt, I believe you will find that there are a good number of us, who have no reservations at all about the “thermodynamics of CO2.” It is well established that CO2 absorbs long wave infra-red radiation in the wavelength range from about 13.5 to 16.5 microns wavelength at ordinary atmospheric conditions through what is generally known as the degenerate bending mode of the CO2 molecule. Degenerate in that there are two different modes of vibration at the same wavelength.
a “well concEIved” (what’s sic about it?) experiment is duck soup. You need an approximately black body radiation source emitting at an effective Temperature of 288 Kelvins, which is the purported mean global surface Temperature of the earth, and therefore the source of the earth emitted long wave infra-red radiant emissions from the surface. Such a source should emit about 390-400 Watts per square metre of its surface covering the wavelength range from about 5.0 microns to about 80 microns wavelength, (98% of the total energy), with the peak at about 10 microns (10.1 for 288 K). Over that wavelength range, ordinary water (H2O has an absorption coefficient that averages around 1,000 cm^-1, and never dips below about 200 cm^-1. So as little as 1 mm of water absorbs well in excess of 99% of that entire spectral range.
Therefore it is quite reasonable to treat an ordinary bottle of drinking water as being essentially a black body absorber over the 5 to 80 micron wavelength range; and thus a perfect source for the correct LWIR spectrum of radiation at the correct emittance level to act as a source for this well conceived test of the atmospheric CO2 warming through LWIR capture.
Now LWIR in that spectral range, won’t penetrate into the glass bell jars such as seems to be popular for this high school physics experiment, but that isn’t a problem; simply place thw bottles of water (sealed) inside the jar so that it is in direct contact with the air samples.
The only other thing needed is to prepare two samples of (dry) air and double the amount of CO2 in one of the samples.
Any experimental chemist can easily show you how to fairly accurately add say 400 ppm of pure CO2 to one of two identical samples of (dry air) as well as how to dry the air in the first place.
Now according to the IPCC, the air sample with doubled CO2 should be 1.5 deg C +/- 50% warmer than the other one, which is 1.0 to 3.0 deg C.
Oh wait a minute, that is the climate sensitivity, so that would be the increase in mean global surface Temperature; so the atmospheric warming would have to be somewhat greater than 1 to 3 deg C.
Well so much the better, the result will be so much easier to detect.
That is all there is to it Matt, about as close to replicating the entire planet in microcosm as one could imagine. Well remember that this only measures the direct CO2 “forcing”, sans water feedback amplification and without the well known cloud positive feedback; so this is just the bare nuckles CO2 effect on its own without all the peripheral interference.
So give it a whirl Matt, and see what you can find out; such a test also eliminates annoying perturbations like convection of the warmed atmosphere; in these jars, there should be little convection problems.

October 19, 2011 5:38 pm

Anthony gives Bill Nye the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t observe the actual “experiment” done by the Gore camp, and just provided a voiceover.
While this was quite possible, after my seeing that Nye lists “Rachel Maddow” as his favorite TV show on his Facebook page, it becomes extremely doubtful that Nye was in the dark.
Extremists tend to run in packs.

JFD
October 19, 2011 5:39 pm

Thank you Anthony for your time and money to expose Gore as a fraud. Several people want you to firm up the mechanical characteristics of your experiment. I suggest you review your conclusion about the reason why the air filled jar warmed faster and then cooled faster. I suspect that the jars were not at equilibruim. Carbon dioxide has about 20% higher heat capacity than air. Thus, with the same heat input, the air temperature will rise faster in the jar with 100% air than in the jar diluted with carbon dioxide. Likewise, the air jar will cool faster.
Gore’s claims about how much faster the temperature will rise in the carbon dioxide jar cannot be true in the short term. The effects of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere really cannot be proven by a simple “high school” physics experiment. Thermodynamics are required to understand what happens inside the jars. Gas diffusion is also required to set the timing for any experimentation with closed containers. Gore, for sure and perhaps Nye, may be too inexperienced in process engineering to realize that their answer could not be correct and thus had to resort to fraud to justify their dogmatic belief about what the answer should have been.
JFD

KevinK
October 19, 2011 5:40 pm

RDCII wrote;
“The debate is elsewhere, about what effect occurs when a miniscule amount of a trace greenhouse gas is added to the atmosphere.”
I will posit this hypothesis in response to your suggestion about the effects of adding GHGs to the
atmosphere;
1) Additions of GHGs are displaced by reductions in non-GHGs. After all there are only 1 million ppmv of gases in the atmosphere (by definition).
2) Heat flows through non-GHGs at the speed of heat (aka thermal diffusivity).
3) Heat flows through GHGs at close to the speed of light. A slight delay is added as some portion (less than 50%) makes a short side trip back towards the surface.
4) The speed of light is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the speed of heat.
5) THUS; additions of GHGs to the atmosphere cause the gases in the atmosphere to warm up more quickly after an increase in energy arriving at a location in the system (i.e. sunrise or the dissipation of clouds). Alternatively, the gases in the atmosphere cool down more quickly after a decrease in energy arriving at a location in the system (i.e. sunset or the accumulation of clouds).
6) This effect is so small that we probably cannot afford to measure it.
7) The historical temperature databases (even after being water boarded into confessing to AGW) do not contain the necessary data (i.e. dT/dt) to confirm/refute this hypothesis.
8) The “missing” heat is currently travelling through Space as a spherical IR wavefront that is “X + d” light years away from the surface of the Earth. “X” represents the elapsed time since the energy arrived (i.e. 100 years for sunlight from 1911) and “d” represents the slight delay from a few (maybe 10-20) side trips back towards the surface of the Earth. “d” is measured in light milliseconds (1 light millisecond =~ 917,000 feet).
Cheers, Kevin.

SidViscous
October 19, 2011 5:47 pm

Right.
Well let’s try this again.
If we assume a spherical chicken……………..

October 19, 2011 6:00 pm

R. Gates;
Well young lady, no place to hide anymore, is there?
1. You defended Gore’s “illustration” to no end, claiming that even though the results were faked, the experiment was more or less accurate in terms of the results “illustrated”. Will you now admit that the Gore rendition was an outright fraud showing results that not only were faked, but were in fact the OPPOSITE of what doing the experiment that was illustrated would have shown?
2. Do you continue to defend what Gore did in any way, shape, or form?
3. If you cannot defend what Gore did, will you issue a statement clearly condemning what he did?
Lastly, You agreed to make a wager with me in regard to the outcome of the experiment. You were so bold as to ask “how much”? When I asked if you would accept Anthony’s results, you began demanding conditions that resulted in Anthony giving you a two day time out. Afterward, you refused to respond to any of my posts. For the record, your comments above clearly show that you in fact do accept Anthony’s results. I take this as admission that I won the bet.
As we didn’t arrive at an amount before you cut off discussion, I will now advise as to what it was that I had intended to propose as a wager. Had I lost, I would have agreed to have a t-shirt made with that admission on it and wear it.. I propose that since you admit to having lost the bet, you have a t-shirt made up that reads
I bet on Al Gore’s science
I lost
Now I have to wear this t-shirt.
Of course as proof you’ve had the t-shirt made, I will require a photo of you wearing it whilst shaking hands with Anthony Watts.

George E. Smith;
October 19, 2011 6:13 pm

A footnote to the above suggested experiment.
The alert reader probably will catch the ; hang on there a minute; your plastic bottle probably won’t transmit the 5-80 micron LWIR radiation either; so your experiment is a dud too.
Well not so; in fact so much the better if it doesn’t. If the LWIR does penetrate the bottle, the water will absorb it all in the first millimetre of water, so the water will be an effective BB emitter at 288K
If the plastic bottle is opaque to such radiation, then it too would be a good near BB emitter for that same radiation. So one way or the other, the plastic bottle full of water makes a good 288K black body emitter, and the empty bottle is likely just as good. Just think of the water in it as being a deep ocean heat sink to enable the bottle to radiate profusely at 400 W/m^2, without its Temperature dropping precipitously.
But the water bottles do need to be in the jar in contact with the air/CO2

jeremy
October 19, 2011 6:16 pm

WOW Troll fest here!!!!
The idiots seem to think that Anthony needs to improve his experiment.
HELLO? HELLO?
Anthony is simply showing that Al Gore is a complete and utter FRAUD, nothing more nothing less.
If you TROLLS have something useful to add then go and do your own #$^! experiments and be the FIRST in the entire world to PROVE CAGW.
Don’y you TROLLS get it?
CAGW has NOT been demonstrated experimentally and THAT IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!!!
NOBODY and I mean NOBODY has done large scale atmospheric experiments to PROVE CAGW!
It is all still, after 30 YEARS, a speculative hypothesis….
Trolls……get a life!

Gerald Machnee
October 19, 2011 6:25 pm

Has anyone attempted to contact Bill Ne and ask him to replicate the experiment?

October 19, 2011 6:30 pm

“…But the water bottles do need to be in the jar in contact with the air/CO2 [sic]”
But will it be a faithful attempt to reproduce the ten minute highscholl experiment that is the subjet here?

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