I wonder if the Hitchcock estate and/or the current copyright holder might want a piece of this action? The whole green movement has gone occupy crazy lately, which I suppose is a reflection of the failure of the movement as they write “Modern environmentalism has failed”. So it seems the strategy now is “if you can’t beat ’em, sit on them until they are annoyed enough to do something about it”.
This was on local über green activist Dr. Mark Stemen’s Facebook page.
Yeah, that looks attractive, that’ll pack ’em in. Color optional I suppose.
But it does give a view on the mindset. Like the last dark poster with the mask for the parking garage protest, these misguided kids think these sorts of images are attractive advertising. Maybe for Goths and Alfred Hitchcock fans, though I doubt the Hitchcock fans would stay long.
They have a website: http://deepgreenresistance.org/ where they claim the goal is to basically shut down modern industrial society:
The strategy of Deep Green Resistance starts by acknowledging the dire circumstances that industrial civilization has created for life on this planet. And that these circumstances should be met with solutions that match the scale of the problems.
This is a vast undertaking but it needs to be said: it can be done. Industrial civilization can be stopped.
And as I read more, I find their view on climate:
Furthermore, as intense climate change takes over, ecological remediation through perennial polycultures and forest replanting will become impossible. The heat and drought will turn forests into net carbon emitters, as northern forests die from heat, pests, and disease, and then burn in continent-wide fires that will make early twenty-first century conflagrations look minor.5 Even intact pastures won’t survive the temperature extremes as carbon is literally baked out of remaining agricultural soils.
Resource wars between nuclear states will break out. War between the US and Russia is less likely than it was in the Cold War, but ascending superpowers like China will want their piece of the global resource pie. Nuclear powers such as India and Pakistan will be densely populated and ecologically precarious; climate change will dry up major rivers previously fed by melting glaciers, and hundreds of millions of people in South Asia will live bare meters above sea level. With few resources to equip and field a mechanized army or air force, nuclear strikes will seem an increasingly effective action for desperate states.
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But if a runaway greenhouse effect could be avoided, many areas could be able to recover rapidly. A return to perennial polycultures, implemented by autonomous communities, could help reverse the greenhouse effect. The oceans would look better quickly, aided by a reduction in industrial fishing and the end of the synthetic fertilizer runoff that creates so many dead zones now.
I think they’ve been occupying a bong too long.
Goals
The ultimate goal of the primary resistance movement in this scenario is simply a living planet—a planet not just living, but in recovery, growing more alive and more diverse year after year. A planet on which humans live in equitable and sustainable communities without exploiting the planet or each other.
Given our current state of emergency, this translates into a more immediate goal, which is at the heart of this movement’s grand strategy:
Goal 1: To disrupt and dismantle industrial civilization; to thereby remove the ability of the powerful to exploit the marginalized and destroy the planet.
This movement’s second goal both depends on and assists the first:
Goal 2: To defend and rebuild just, sustainable, and autonomous human communities, and, as part of that, to assist in the recovery of the land.
To accomplish these goals requires several broad strategies involving large numbers of people in many different organizations, both aboveground and underground. The primary strategies needed in this theoretical scenario include the following:
Strategy A: Engage in direct militant actions against industrial infrastructure, especially energy infrastructure.
Strategy B: Aid and participate in ongoing social and ecological justice struggles; promote equality and undermine exploitation by those in power.
Strategy C: Defend the land and prevent the expansion of industrial logging, mining, construction, and so on, such that more intact land and species will remain when civilization does collapse.
Strategy D: Build and mobilize resistance organizations that will support the above activities, including decentralized training, recruitment, logistical support, and so on.
Strategy E: Rebuild a sustainable subsistence base for human societies (including perennial polycultures for food) and localized, democratic communities that uphold human rights.
It is sad these folks have become so brainwashed that they think the planet is dying and the only choice left is some sort of organized resistance. They have apparently just dismissed all of the good things that the ecological movement has produced, such as improving our air and water since the 60’s as if it never happened.
In the meantime, our own local “Occupy Chico” is having a “huge” impact.
This whole “occupy” thing is just a blip, and because it has no focus, nobody really pays much attention to it. When the next scheduled event comes up in city plaza, they’ll be asked to move, and they probably won’t, and then we’ll have the usual downward spiral for these sorts of things where the end game is “occupy jail”.
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This occupy movement is more against corporate and financial control over government than the green movement. No surprise that the greens involved are oblivious to the fact that their big organizations like Greenpeace and the WWF are a part of this problem as well. Still, we do have a big problem where corporations, unions, and other special interests have more say in our government and the details of the bills they pass than any of us do, regardless of political party. I support anyone willing to get out and try to raise awareness of it, even if some haven’t seen the full picture yet.
“The goal of DGR is to deprive the rich of their ability to steal from the poor.”
The rich do not steal from the poor. The poor freely give up their money, that’s what makes them poor. If it came to pass that all the money in the world were redistributed to everyone equally, in a very short time the money would be back in the hands of the previously rich and the previously poor would be poor again. It is all about mindset and what to do with money. The poor spend it when they get it, instantaneous gratification with material things they think they want. The rich use money to create more wealth, in particular by creating the products the poor will spend their money on.
wayne says:
October 13, 2011 at 3:16 am
“Socialist revolution – usually undertaken by a bunch of people who wring their hands at the plight of the poor bugger walking behind a water-buffalo, ploughing a paddy field.”
Not in any socialist revolution one can think of. That’s just the PR. The actual revolution is done by wringing the poor bugger’s neck after stealing his buffalo at gunpoint.
“It has failed to stop the destruction of people” – I’m not sure I understand what they’re getting at – I thought Eco Loons wanted the population drastically reduced?
“To defend and rebuild just, sustainable, and autonomous human communities, and, as part of that, to assist in the recovery of the land.” Then “Such that more intact land and species will remain when civilization does collapse” – So they don’t have any confidence that their crazy plans will work, anyway!
Ye Gods….
As the Gipper once said David, it’s not so much what you, it’s that so much that you know is wrong.
But you are correct about the anger over the bailouts. That’s one of the things that launched the TEA party. The TEA party is tired of corporatism (don’t call it “crony capitalism,” because there is nothing capitalistic about it), tired of a tax code so arcane that the IRS can’t understand it and tired of politicians giving favors away to special interest groups in exchange for votes.
Limited government is the answer. More government is not the answer. The government is the cause of this recession. Politicians and bureaucrats decided it wasn’t fair that the only people who could own homes were people who could reasonably be expected to pay the mortgage. Banks were pressured to make more loans to the poor and minorities, but told not to worry (wink, wink), the federal government will take care of you if the loans go bad. When the housing bubble burst, guess who was left on the hook for the money?
I don’t personally care how much wealth the top 1% have. I’m not poor because Steve Jobs or Bill Gates has billions. Marxist theory holds that if somebody has more, than somebody else has less. But if you understand wealth creation, you’d know that’s not true. Black Americans made their greatest economic gains during the Reagan administration, and not because of any specific programs targeting black American poverty, but because a rising tide lifts all boats. In fact, we experienced decades of unprecedented growth and prosperity because of Reagan’s policies.
In contrast, the more Obama tries to do, the worse things get. If you knew your history, you would know it was government intervention against the 1929 recession that created the Great Depression. The New Deal didn’t end the Great Depression; it didn’t help make it shorter or less severe. The New Deal prolonged and deepened the Great Depression.
So instead of trying to equalize outcomes and equalize wealth through redistribution, you should be focusing on how to create wealth. Grow the economy. Teach people how to save. People aren’t owed jobs, or a specific wage. Reform the education system so that our young people stop graduating as functional illiterates. Stop resenting those who have more and focus on how to improve yourselves.
You’ve just made Stemen’s day. He thrives on the attention. I think if you ignored him, he’d stomp his foot and disappear.
I don’t think I want him to disappear – every town needs it’s Don Quixote.
Strategy E: Rebuild a sustainable subsistence base for human societies (including perennial polycultures for food) and localized, democratic communities that uphold human rights.
Problem with this is that once you have localized communities, the leader of each will do whatever s/he wants, and no one will know, or be able to stop him/her. Slavery will return, and of course a basic class system that would result in 99% of the people (yes, the same 99%) being surfs.
Doesn’t sound appealing to me.
“Even intact pastures won’t survive the temperature extremes as carbon is literally baked out of remaining agricultural soils.”
These people are either insane or so ignorant of physics they should be put back in grade school.
Whan it comes to greens, never attribute to ignorance that which can be explained by malice.
First of all, they are espousing a religious jihad. That makes them akin to a subversive terrorist group. Second, they were likely pampered, spoiled kids who were given their allowance instead of made to earn it. Third, all food was likely brought to their kiddy table straight from a frozen package so they wouldn’t know the first thing about how to work a weapon of any kind or bring food from uncultivated land to the table.
That makes them terrorist idiots, similar to the guy who caught his family jewels on fire trying to blow up an airliner. Why don’t we provide that same underwear device to these corner placard idiots and tell them to go blow up something?
Hey man, your pants are on fire!!!!
I looked at their website; they are an obvious terrorist organization. I’ve reported them to the FBI.
We have a rather pressing problem with this sort of proliferating battiness Down Under too, but Professor Bunyip has all the answers as usual-
http://bunyipitude.blogspot.com/2011/06/bats-beer-and-decline-of-west.html#links
“This is a vast undertaking but it needs to be said: it can be done. Industrial civilization can be stopped.”
Here in the USA, it pretty much has been stopped. These kids don’t get out much.
The appeal that these kids are making is the young, very romantic, and highly idealistic side of the same old “coup d’etat” that our Ruling Elite pushes day-in and day-out.
Exactly when was it that our Ruling Elite recognized that the great unwashed must be relegated to a kind of second class citizenship and paternalistic care from First Class?
I’m sure they will grow up into mature, if not slightly embarrassed adults. This is a phase that young people go through, it’s important in their development, a bit like dying your hair pink and liking Goth music. Don’t worry, look at them and think, ‘ah bless em’ aren’t they sweet’ They will get over it, as long as they don’t harm anyone they can be as bonkers as they like as far as I’m concerned. We’ll be worrying about their dress sense next!
My training in research included how NOT to add color commentary to research articles. Nontheless, NSICD says, “Continued loss of the oldest, thickest ice has prevented any significant recovery of the summer minimum extent. In essence, what was once a refuge for older ice has become a graveyard.”
Let’s send these weeping for the planet idiots to the Artic (sic) to save the dying ice. If they take their undie bombs with them, they can stay warm! What’s not to like???
I should say if you think the Bunyip has problems with battiness in Melbourne, that’s nothing compared with our Hitchkockian sufferers further North-http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/man-v-bats/story-e6frg8h6-1226158915886
Should have spent part of that time in spelling class. …Nonetheless…, not nontheless.
Way back in my high school days in the 1980s, we were expected to read, believe (and regurgitate for better marks) chilling tomes such as “The Fate of the Earth” and “Entropy”. Why, the entire planet was either going to blow up, or die of starvation and disease because we cut down all the rain forests. At the very least, by the far away year of 2011, we’d be nothing but savages living in a post-apocalyptic Hell. For many of us, “The Road Warrior” was just a prescient documentary.
I can believe that many of my classmates drank the Kool-Aid. (I know of one who has been arrested multiple times for “green” protests”.) I can imagine that my generation went on to try to kickstart the Green Party here in Canada (doing not so well: the recent provincial election they, once again, came in 4th, well behind the other parties – most of the opinion polls put their support below the margin of error in the polls).
I don’t expect these hypocrites to do the decent thing and unplug themselves from the grid before they blow it up for the rest of us…it would be hard to cut through a power pole with a stone axe after all.
RobertL says:
“My question is: what would it take for atmospheric COs levels to drop? How much cooling would we need, and for how long? Are we likely to see it anytime soon?”
Hard to tell from all the data manipulation, but variation does take place over several years. When/if ocean heat content begins to decrease I’ll be looking for CO2 atmospheric concentration to respond in about a year (pure guess).
http://www.biomind.de/nogreenhouse/daten/EE%2018-2_Beck.pdf
http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/zjmar07.pdf
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FoS%20Pre-industrial%20CO2.pdf
http://www.philosophical-investigations.org/Historical_CO2_levels
“Because I’d really love to see the reaction when atmospheric CO2 drops.”
Well, they’ll try to hide the decline of course. But eventually it’ll come out and the CAGW monster will finally be dead. Long live WUWT!
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/contents.htm
In these loons’ ideal world, about 7 billion people will need to be culled.
I guess it is safe to assume that these guys’ perceived self-importance means they should be immune from such a cull.
I suspect even Mann, Jones, Gore etc would be embarrassed to be associated with such statements, but then again I could be wrong.
Idle hands are the devils playthings. Unemployment and lack of opportunity are the underlying problem. From the point of view of many, the system is not working.
Every year the economy must grow by an amount equal to the increase in population times the interest rates, just to stay even. That means that the current economic measure of a recession is misleading. Small positive growth is in reality a recession, that over times erodes the ability of the economy to provide for the people.
Not very long ago, one parent working provided sufficient income for the average family. Today, with typically much smaller families, both parents must work to make ends meet. Is this progress? Are we twice as wealthy with two people working in every family instead of one? Or has the increased labor force competed against itself to drive down wages in real terms, so that families today are working twice as hard without any real benefit? Real wages have not gone up much in the past 30 years, while the buying power of money is only a fraction of what it was then. The law of unintended consequences.
“TomVonk says:
October 13, 2011 at 4:54 am”
Couldn’t describe it better. Perfect.
And here’s some notes from the 53%. Quite a contrast to the 99%ers currently sitting on their butts taking up space. http://the53.tumblr.com/
Quote from the article – “I think they’ve been occupying a bong too long.”
That is good stuff! I think this should be the meme for this whole “Occupy” movement until it passes into a munchie fueled food-coma.