The Birds, now occupying near you

I wonder if the Hitchcock estate and/or the current copyright holder might want a piece of this action? The whole green movement has gone occupy crazy lately, which I suppose is a reflection of the failure of the movement as they write “Modern environmentalism has failed”. So it seems the strategy now is “if you can’t beat ’em, sit on them until they are annoyed enough to do something about it”.

This was on local über green activist Dr. Mark Stemen’s Facebook page.

Yeah, that looks attractive, that’ll pack ’em in. Color optional I suppose.

But it does give a view on the mindset. Like the last dark poster with the mask for the parking garage protest, these misguided kids think these sorts of images are attractive advertising. Maybe for Goths and Alfred Hitchcock fans, though I doubt the Hitchcock fans would stay long.

They have a website: http://deepgreenresistance.org/ where they claim the goal is to basically shut down modern industrial society:

The strategy of Deep Green Resistance starts by acknowledging the dire circumstances that industrial civilization has created for life on this planet. And that these circumstances should be met with solutions that match the scale of the problems.

This is a vast undertaking but it needs to be said: it can be done. Industrial civilization can be stopped.

And as I read more, I find their view on climate:

Furthermore, as intense climate change takes over, ecological remediation through perennial polycultures and forest replanting will become impossible. The heat and drought will turn forests into net carbon emitters, as northern forests die from heat, pests, and disease, and then burn in continent-wide fires that will make early twenty-first century conflagrations look minor.5 Even intact pastures won’t survive the temperature extremes as carbon is literally baked out of remaining agricultural soils.

Resource wars between nuclear states will break out. War between the US and Russia is less likely than it was in the Cold War, but ascending superpowers like China will want their piece of the global resource pie. Nuclear powers such as India and Pakistan will be densely populated and ecologically precarious; climate change will dry up major rivers previously fed by melting glaciers, and hundreds of millions of people in South Asia will live bare meters above sea level. With few resources to equip and field a mechanized army or air force, nuclear strikes will seem an increasingly effective action for desperate states.

But if a runaway greenhouse effect could be avoided, many areas could be able to recover rapidly. A return to perennial polycultures, implemented by autonomous communities, could help reverse the greenhouse effect. The oceans would look better quickly, aided by a reduction in industrial fishing and the end of the synthetic fertilizer runoff that creates so many dead zones now.

I think they’ve been occupying a bong too long.

Goals

The ultimate goal of the primary resistance movement in this scenario is simply a living planet—a planet not just living, but in recovery, growing more alive and more diverse year after year. A planet on which humans live in equitable and sustainable communities without exploiting the planet or each other.

Given our current state of emergency, this translates into a more immediate goal, which is at the heart of this movement’s grand strategy:

Goal 1: To disrupt and dismantle industrial civilization; to thereby remove the ability of the powerful to exploit the marginalized and destroy the planet.

This movement’s second goal both depends on and assists the first:

Goal 2: To defend and rebuild just, sustainable, and autonomous human communities, and, as part of that, to assist in the recovery of the land.

To accomplish these goals requires several broad strategies involving large numbers of people in many different organizations, both aboveground and underground. The primary strategies needed in this theoretical scenario include the following:

Strategy A: Engage in direct militant actions against industrial infrastructure, especially energy infrastructure.

Strategy B: Aid and participate in ongoing social and ecological justice struggles; promote equality and undermine exploitation by those in power.

Strategy C: Defend the land and prevent the expansion of industrial logging, mining, construction, and so on, such that more intact land and species will remain when civilization does collapse.

Strategy D: Build and mobilize resistance organizations that will support the above activities, including decentralized training, recruitment, logistical support, and so on.

Strategy E: Rebuild a sustainable subsistence base for human societies (including perennial polycultures for food) and localized, democratic communities that uphold human rights.

It is sad these folks have become so brainwashed that they think the planet is dying and the only choice left is some sort of organized resistance. They have apparently just dismissed all of the good things that the ecological movement has produced, such as improving our air and water since the 60’s as if it never happened.

In the meantime, our own local “Occupy Chico” is having a “huge” impact.

Photo from KPAY-radio Matt Ray

This whole “occupy” thing is just a blip, and because it has no focus, nobody really pays much attention to it. When the next scheduled event comes up in city plaza, they’ll be asked to move, and they probably won’t, and then we’ll have the usual downward spiral for these sorts of things where the end game is “occupy jail”.

 

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Brian Johnson uk

Kids – leave home while you still know everything!

Brian H

What was supposed to follow “the best: ” ?
A colon usually implies a follow-up!
😉
REPLY: Leftover cut and paste snippet, deleted now – Anthony

Truthseeker

Karma would be the bird population taking revenge on the Green movement in true Hitchcock style for all of those bird-deadly Windfarms …

Gail Combs

They should all go live on a farm with no electric, no tractors, no running water, no metal, no plastic, no man made fibers….. in Wisconsin, North Dakota or Montana for a few years and THEN make their decision on whether or not they really hate “Civilization”
Idiotic super market predators.

Wijnand

“Strategy A: Engage in direct militant actions against industrial infrastructure, especially energy infrastructure.”
Funny, calling for action against the energy infrastructure on a website page…

philincalifornia

Brian H says:
October 12, 2011 at 10:13 pm
What was supposed to follow “the best: ” ?
A colon usually implies a follow-up!
😉
====================================
I’m guessing it was a video starring a Homer Simpson lookalike with a silly hat and a cheesy “I’m pretending to be a hip young person” smile who, by a curious coincidence, is also the curator of the GISS temperature record ??

Andrew Harding

I despise people like this, they sit on their useless arses all day pontificating about things they neither understand nor comprehend. They are so stupid that they try to bring down the wealth creators that provide them with the state benefits that allow them to continue their wretched existence. Perhaps if their state benefits were only paid as reward for carrying out jobs that they were capable of such as snow and leaf clearance, graffiti removal or anything else where ineptitude was not a handicap, they might begin to appreciate the society that they live in.
Rant over!!

Adam

I am completely fascinated by this whole occupy thing. Clearly there are enough people who want to protest to sustain the longest protest in recent memory in multiple cities across the entire nation. However since they have no specified goal nobody could possibly yield to their demands. It seems that this protesters not only want someone else to solve their problems, but for someone else to tell them what their problems are in the first place.

bobby b

“The ultimate goal of the primary resistance movement in this scenario is simply a living planet . . .”
They’re going to try to animate a huge spherical rock? This can’t end well.
– –
One of the three demands being made by the hooded-zombie-poster students: “Stop selling parking permits to students within one mile of campus. Getting these students to campus without a car will free spots for individuals that commute and need a space.”
In the interest of the environment, they’d like to prohibit short commutes because they make long commutes more difficult? They’d like to encourage students to move further away from the school to get out of the prohibited zone?
If nothing else, this adds a bit of context to one of their other demands: “An apology for calling your students ‘uninformed voters’ would also be appropriate during this time . . .”

Please forgive me for being blunt in this posting.
When people call for the end to industrial civilization, they are actually calling for billions of deaths. These people are more dangerous than Hitler, Mao and Stalin combined. Further they are advocating the same philosophy: change the world for the better (in their perverted view). Exactly how are they different or how will the outcome of their massive reordering of society be different than the last few times it was tried by madmen? I suggest that this plan is nothing less than a proposed genocide of the human race. Here is the evidence in their own words:
GreenShirts: To disrupt and dismantle industrial civilization;
JK: This is actually an advocacy of genocide of the human race, as any rational person knows that industrial civilization is required to support our current population.
GreenShirts: Engage in direct militant actions against industrial infrastructure, especially energy infrastructure.
JK: Advocacy of criminal activities designed to kill people by denying them energy.
GreenShirts: such that more intact land and species will remain when civilization does collapse.
JK: Further call for human deaths on a scale far beyond our worst nightmares of a nuclear war.
GreenShirts: Rebuild a sustainable subsistence base for human societies (including perennial polycultures for food) and localized, democratic communities that uphold human rights.
JK: For the few percent of the people who did not starve to death, freeze to death or die of diseases caused by this plan.
The only good news is that these are acts of terrorism, something taken very seriously these days.
Thanks
JK

UK Sceptic

These deluded fools are obviously suffering from intellectually degenerative red/green colour blindness.

temp

“Adam says:
October 12, 2011 at 10:46 pm
I am completely fascinated by this whole occupy thing. Clearly there are enough people who want to protest to sustain the longest protest in recent memory in multiple cities across the entire nation. However since they have no specified goal nobody could possibly yield to their demands. It seems that this protesters not only want someone else to solve their problems, but for someone else to tell them what their problems are in the first place.”
Eh this is a bit of a toss up… they have very small numbers expect for the NYC one and for the most part are heavily funded by obama and other leftwing groups.
The starter groups such as Bill Ayers is a former commie terrorist(not sure if it was just pro-mao or pro-stalin and mao) who wanted another “days of rage” which is what this protest is.
The vast majority of the video and pictures coming out paint this as a typical commie/hitler youth rally of blaming capitalism and (insert race, gender, etc) and the only way to fix these problems to to bring about socialism. Of course as what happened with hitler, stalin, mao and many other socialist movements… once they remove the “evil capitalists” they begin infighting aka who socialism is better aka who gets complete control.
The really sad part about this is that some ron paul supporters, anarchists and libertarians are being baited into supporting this “movement”. It doesn’t help that the media both heavily supports this but often confuses socialists(who want more/total government they just don’t want the “current government” where they are at the lower end of the stealing) with anarchists who want no government.

Mike Bromley the Kurd

The state of education has reached a serious low, if these youngsters believe they are using their faculty of reason.

ParmaJohn

In acting on Strategy A I can see it now: thousands of luddite students wielding sledgehammers taking to the fields and tearing down all those windmills! Rock-throwing Palestinian look-alikes smashing fields of solar panels! That’s right, go after the energy sector.
Some day these kids will grow up into productive adults. Problem is, if my poor old memory serves me still, it takes a long time to shake off the hubris of youth. Lots of silliness can be accomplished in the meantime.

RobertL

Hmm, Hitchcock is all well and good, but some of us got their first taste of “The Birds” from Du Maurier’s short story. Poor old Daphne – forgotten and unloved.
Anyway, I have a serious question – that’s a bit off-topic. Like most people here, I believe that the warming/cooling cycles of the earth are driven by various cycles and processes. Then atmospheric CO2 levels follow the warming – not the other way around. So, when it gets warmer, COs is outgassed from the oceans.
My question is: what would it take for atmospheric COs levels to drop? How much cooling would we need, and for how long? Are we likely to see it anytime soon?
Because I’d really love to see the reaction when atmospheric CO2 drops.

Mike Bromley the Kurd

Adam says:
October 12, 2011 at 10:46 pm
It seems that this protesters not only want someone else to solve their problems, but for someone else to tell them what their problems are in the first place.

An astute observation. Watching the zombie like chants splattered across Youtube, I’d say you were right. “we don’t know what the problem is, but we want a solution. Preferably, one we don’t need to work for…..”

Doug UK

@Andrew Harding
I can understand your feelings – they are now doubt like mine and very much akin to Brian Johnsons “Kids/Teenagers please leave home now whilst you still know everything”.
But having brought up too kids and been a Teenager in the 60’s myself, I remember the delicious thrill of thinking that if there was some sort of “disaster” then that would in many ways, sort my life out for me.
Never underestimate just how scary the world looks to a teenager. After all for the first 20 years of life kids are generally spoon fed and looked after by others. The thought of actually making their own way in the world scares them shitless.
Therefore if the world they have to come to terms with and work within, make their way financially, can be down graded or dismissed or destroyed in some way, then all the worries about money, career etc can be forgotten about.
It is a child like dream of individuals who have not yet come to terms with life.
But I do not despise them. Most mature quickly out of it, as demonstrated by the huge numbers taking part in the “demonstration”. Those that don’t get my pity as maturity wise they are not the full ticket.

Roy

Talking about birds, will the Greens be demonstrating against wind farms because of the risk they pose to birds not to mention the way they disfigure the landscape?

RandomThesis

Marx was wrong. Its not the workers leading the charge for change, it’s the non-producers demanding their fair share. Of course fair means ‘more than I have now’. It’s everyone else that can do with less.

Richard Lawson

Is George Monbiot Honorary President?

Brian H

@temp “very small numbers expect except for the NYC one”

It’s easy to diagnose on the TV coverage. Close-ups of the “crowds” only — no long shots showing actual numbers.

Patrick Davis

“Wijnand says:
October 12, 2011 at 10:27 pm”
Yes this also makes me laugh too. Websites, hosted on servers, connected to the internet (Thanks Al). So not only are there servers at one end and PCs/laptops at the other, there is a rash of routers and telecommunications equipment in between ALL totally dependent on that energy infrastructure in their targets. It’s like cutting your legs off just before entering a 100m sprint race.

J.H.

Occupy Chico…… Bwhahahahahahhahhahahahhaha!
Now that’s funny right there. 🙂
… So tell me Anthony. How does it feel to live in a global center of Capitalist wickedness were you have the frightful right to own your own property and the vicious freedom to sell it to whomever you damn well please……. I’m speechless at the pure dastardliness of the concept…. D’oh! 😉
I despair of young people….. The older you get, the more you realize they are just damn dangerous.
Apropos to nothing…. a song fer them…..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI

David Falkner

Totally agree with the fact that many enviros are totally nuts.
I disagree with the disdain for the occupy [X] movement. I feel like this movement is an expression of anger, and that is why there is no real coherent goal. This anger is a justified anger. The private sector was just given $700,000,000,000 of public money. There is talk of raising taxes on the bottom 50% of American income, which would have to be a very significant raise in taxes to equal the amount dished out to banks without even a proper accounting for the funds received. What’s worse is, since most of the institutions in question were never liquidated, the losses that the $700,000,000,000 bailout were offsetting were largely paper losses. Given that the bottom 1% of Americans own 1% of American wealth, it’s really easy to see how this could piss off a lot of people.
In fact, the more the American government focuses on the interests of corporations, the worse it gets for most of the country. Despite the unproven notion that aligning with the interests of large businesses and the wealthy will trickle down to the rest of America. It’s been 30 years since Reagan put that forward, but there isn’t a drop of definitive data to uphold such a bizarre notion. So, folks, are you really skeptical, or only when it’s convenient? We quibble here about tenths of a degree such small changes in the sum forcing received by the Sun, yet so many seem to uphold this easily debunked (or at least questionable, given the level of “skepticism” put to other matters) ideal.
Wattsupwiththat? (comment copied for reposting elsewhere)

David Falkner

Oh, bollocks, that should read …bottom 50% of Americans own 1% of American wealth…

Mooloo

Goal 1: To disrupt and dismantle industrial civilization; to thereby remove the ability of the powerful to exploit the marginalized and destroy the planet.
Because back in the past, before industrial civilization, there were no kings and emperors?
These people are so demented that they don’t even think back to egyptian pharaohs and Chinese god-emperors. People who really knew how to exploit a workforce!
I don’t think they are terrorists, since they seek to destroy things not people, but they are certainly fanatics. And fanatics often hurt and kill by secondary effects – which is what taking down power networks would certainly do.

Patrick Davis

“Mike Bromley the Kurd says:
October 12, 2011 at 11:29 pm”
The main issue here is the reasoning part of the brain isn’t usually fully developed, certainly in the male brain, until their mid-20’s.

Cow Parsley

Is it me or is the idea of using the internet to promote your cause, whilst trying to bring the corporate culture that sustains the hardware and software behind not the slightest bit hypocritical?
Not a new thought I’m sure, its just that I find this type of hypocrisy one of the greatest problems in bothering to pay the slightest bit of attention to them and their ilk.

What Deep Green Resistance advocates was already tried 30 years ago.
http://www.eco-action.org/dod/no10/books_memoirs.htm
“This book is the story of Direct Action – a small urban guerrilla group whose dramatic acts of economic sabotage gave them world-wide notoriety. Their struggle was relatively short-lived. The headline grabbing bombings of the Cheekeye-Dunsmuir hydro-electric power line on Vancouver Island, and Litton systems plant in Toronto (where Cruise missile components were being built) succeeded in focusing the full resources of police investigation and surveillance on their activities. Despite being largely underground, the group were ambushed and captured on their way to a weekly shooting practice session near the town of Squamish less than one year after the group began. The ‘Squamish Five’, as they became known, were later tried and sentenced to between ten years and life for their actions.”

Matthew

I think I saw some Larouche types there, as well.

Steve C

“Strategy A: Engage in direct militant actions against industrial infrastructure, especially energy infrastructure.”
I thought most of the Western world had all sorts of shiny new anti-terrorist legislation for dealing with threats like that? Or is that legislation only for use for whipping us ordinary folk into submission?

Dave Springer

Ummm… I do believe your good friend Willis Eschenbach would have been on that street corner holding a sign 40 years ago. Since you don’t seem to hold that against him I’m not sure why you’ve got a problem with these kids. They’re being stupid not evil.

Gail Combs

RobertL says:
October 12, 2011 at 11:37 pm
My question is: what would it take for atmospheric COs levels to drop? How much cooling would we need, and for how long? Are we likely to see it anytime soon?
Because I’d really love to see the reaction when atmospheric CO2 drops.
___________________________________________________
If I remember correctly the Ice Core data showed a lag of about 800 years so we will not be around long enough to say “I told you so”…. SIGH.
Actually I hope the CO2 goes up to about 500 to 600ppm. The plants would love it. (At 2000ppm is where we start getting into toxicity problems)

Logan in AZ

It is worth repeating that anti-industrial ideology is not limited to a fringe of liberal arts students. The green-agenda website shows that the green-elite holds the same views. The scandal is that politicians are willing to exploit the green garbage to extend bureaucratic power, and most of the mass media voices are uncritical. The treason of the intellectuals…
http://www.green-agenda.com/

Dave Springer

I think a person ought to be cut some slack for being rebellious and stupid in their youth. It’s when they fail to grow out of it and become an old bald rebel like James Hansen that it becomes difficult to find the charity to forgive them for it.

Streetcred

The big spaceship in the sky will come to carry them away from the degradation … but it doesn’t take live specimens! Y’know what I’m sayin’ ?

Streetcred

Doug UK says:
October 12, 2011 at 11:42 pm
@Andrew Harding
I can understand your feelings – they are now doubt like mine and very much akin to Brian Johnsons “Kids/Teenagers please leave home now whilst you still know everything”.
++++++++
My father told me to get out there and do it all whist I was so clever because when I got to his age I’d be just a stupid as he is (was). Such true words 😉

Craig Goodrich

Robert asks

My question is: what would it take for atmospheric COs levels to drop? How much cooling would we need, and for how long? Are we likely to see it anytime soon?
Because I’d really love to see the reaction when atmospheric CO2 drops.

Well, since most of the CO2 is in the deep ocean, and judging from ice ages and all, there’s a lag on the order of 800 years for CO2 to rise coming out of an ice age, and a more irregular but longer lag before it drops going into the next ice age. So, as us CO2 exhalers say, ummm, don’t hold your breath…

RobertL says: October 12, 2011 at 11:37 pm

… I have a serious question – that’s a bit off-topic. Like most people here, I believe that the warming/cooling cycles of the earth are driven by various cycles and processes. Then atmospheric CO2 levels follow the warming – not the other way around. So, when it gets warmer, COs is outgassed from the oceans.
My question is: what would it take for atmospheric COs levels to drop? How much cooling would we need, and for how long? Are we likely to see it anytime soon?

Thanks Robert. I see this question asked too few times IMHO.
People forget that the CO2 exchange with the oceans is of an order or orders of magnitude greater than our own emissions – and follows Henry’s Law so as to actually hide and swallow our contribution, if I’ve understood Henry’s Law right (and IMO, photosynthesis also effectively hides and swallows our contribution).
I fear that the Mauna Loa Observatory might put a spin on their figures – at least, for a while. Key issue should be sea level: when that starts declining overall, then is the time to expect CO2 levels to fall. Mind, they won’t fall to nothing, just to a lower level, if I have understood Henry’s Law aright. However, cometesimals indicate that the planet may have a continual drip-tap feed from the sky to the oceans, so even sea level may not quite level out. Figures would help, since cometesimals’ effect may be negligible in the time scale we’re dealing with.

Wally

Sounds just like the Anarchist movement of the 1900’s to 1930’s.
Nothing has changed, really. Just another bunch of crackpot loonies who think its time to tear down civilisation and get us all back ploughing fields. Pol Pot woulda been proud of em.

Layne Blanchard

Looks like those Chico occupiers have total control of about 50 sq ft. If I recall correctly, I usually had to drink myself stupid to do something I would be embarrassed about for the rest of my life. These kids don’t appear to be drinking.

SandyInDerby

Gail Combs says:
October 12, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Having grown up in rural Scotland, with no Electricity, No Gas, a Septic Tank, Water from a spring, No Car and No Public Transport (4 miles to the bus), I love Civilization in general and electricity in particular!
I hate gloomy rooms and have no love of cycling!

John Marshall

What a bunch of wacko loons. If this is what an expensive education gives us then heaven help us.

Lew Skannen

I wonder whether these people have ever occupied a school desk.

old44

AGW melted his coloured crayons.

Mat

So why don’t these nice people go join the one group that practice what they preach the Amish community who Value rural life, manual work and humility they will love the rejection of labour-saving technologies also Modern innovations like electricity and any status goods which might cultivate personal vanity.
Also they could do with the genetics Because a smaller gene pool has some nasty side effects like increased incidences of certain genetic disorders from inbreeding !
Then again I don’t think the religious teachings and devout life style will stick with these lazy minded fools also their hatred for the modern world stops before they have to give up their I pods and blackberry !

Bloke down the pub

For the workd to exist at a subsistence level would require a massive reduction in population. Knowing how much the green movement loves futile gestures, eg Australia’s new carbon tax, perhaps the members of DGR should volunteer to drop dead.

These kids need to spend some time camping in the wild with out electronics or lighters to start fire. Its too easy for them to head on down to the local fast food chain for dinner while protesting big international corporations. They would have more impact if they were to move off the grid and support themselves.

Al Gore's Holy Hologram

How does one steal from the ‘poor’?

Al Gore's Holy Hologram

If brown people came up with Strategy A and C they’d be called terrorists. How come rich white kids get away with it? Oh yeah, same aims as some crazy white rich folk in power.