On "Skepticalscience" – Rewriting History

At Shub Niggurath Climate blog, he’s done a follow up to his first essay on the ongoing issues with integrity that the oxymoronically named blog “skepticalscience” has. Excerpts are posted below. I’ll point out the John Cook has not responded to my modest proposal yet, and even today, he allows the denigrating word to be used. It appears he has no scruples in the use of language people see as offensive, nor any scruples when it comes to the keeping the integrity of invited commentary intact.

Here’s Shub’s findings:

“…resist the temptation to reply to [trolls].

Instead, do what the troll hates most — simply remove the comment.”

John Cook

The recent censorship episode at the skepticalscience.com brings an often overlooked aspect to the forefront. The target of deletion Prof Roger Pielke Sr, runs a blog. The actions of Skepticalscience were revealed because he posted them there.

What if a scientist or a lay person, interacted with websites like Skepticalscience and did not have a blog?

Consider what Skepticalscience did in reader Paul and AnthonySG1′s cases. In 2007, the website had an article explaining Antarctica’s cooling —a thorn in the pitch for a clean story about global warming— as an “uniquely” regional phenomenon. It talked of how ‘Antarctica was overall losing ice’, citing a peer-reviewed paper Velicogna et al 2003 for support.

The response in the comments section from Cook’s readers was simple: ‘Antarctic ice is increasing. You cannot take a paper that has three years worth of data and conclude that the continent was losing ice’. They cited references that Skepticalscience neglected – which showed an overall increase in Antarctic sea ice.

The rewriting that John Cook undertook is now recounted at Bishop Hill.

In the first step Cook changed the entire article, taking off from the criticisms. Next, he deleted his original ‘responses’, and added new ones that made it appear as though these commenters did not know what they were talking about.

The rewriting of Skepticalscience history

After this was openly revealed, John Cook offered explanations for his actions. It went something like this: ‘I accidentally mistook my readers to have responded to my updated article. Thinking that was indeed the case, their comments sounded silly to me. So I ended up adding responses to guide new readers’

A closer examination of the threads on Skepticalscience, reveals a different picture. Let us begin by examining a few examples to get a sense of what these might be.

Let us start with the thread “Climate models are unreliable”. As is known, the website portrays skeptical arguments as such simple statements and offers rebuttals. The article was published sometime late 2007.

In July 2008, ’poptech’ left a comment which questioned assertions made in the article. He quoted scientists at the Realclimate consensus blog:

Comment from reader ‘poptech’ – deleted in 2011

From mid-2008, Poptech’s comment remained intact on the thread till as recently as Feb 2011 . At some point afterward, the comment was deleted. Another of poptech’s comments upthread, to which three commenters responded (example) was deleted, leaving the responses hanging mid-air.

Take the exchange between ‘Adamski’ and ‘chris’ (comments 36, 37, 38, 39 originally):

Comments from ‘Adamski’ and ‘chris’ as they appeared in Sept 2009
Nov 2009 – the Adamski-chris conversation moves up due to bulk deletions! Comment #37 from chris goes missing
Feb 2010 – Comment #37 makes a comeback but chris has lost his name.
Sept 2011 – the comments as they are, in their final position

What is more: as can be seen from the screen captures above, Cook goes into the comments and deletes commenters’ references to each others’ posts. This is no computer glitch and it demonstrates he knew what he was doing.  Nor does this square with the explanations Cook provided at Bishop Hill. . Again, as before, parts of a conversation are deleted and altered in such a way, the end result looks like something that never happened.

Why does John Cook do this?

The deletions carried out by Cook don’t make sense as an exercise in moderation. They seem driven by an ardent need to present a clean and neat view of global warming. Of a need to reassure that no intelligent discussions exist, and all possible questions have (long) been answered.

The structure of Cook’s website appears to push things in his direction. In the beginning, pages are born as undemanding and easy arguments. Cook then seems to realize that the skeptical arguments are more involved and complex than the simplistic picture he presents. He updates the same pages with more detail. But messy comments have accumulated below the line, sticking out like sore thumbs. The ‘broad picture’ that Cook so wants to convey is sullied.

In the meantime fresh readers, oblivious to the confusing mish-mash of claim and counter-claim, arrive in greater numbers on the shores of the global warming debate. Journalists, policy-makers and other influential opinion-makers land up everyday at skepticalscience, looking for a quick grasp on the consensus position in climate issues. How does one protect these newcomers?

Cook’s solution: the inconvenient comments go flying out the window.

One clearly sees that the mission of the website underwent a change ~end of 2009. In the earlier years, Cook seems welcoming to comments. His interest it seemed was to point out findings from scientific papers, that he thought contradicted climate skeptics’ claims. By November 2009, Cook had arrived at a dramatically different viewpoint. He saw ‘global warming skepticism’ as a sort of a mental illness or a psychiatric condition, with the afflicted being beyond any hope. Psychologic diagnoses permeates his thinking from that point on.

Cook voices his thoughts on the shift in a post in November 2009. It is hard to fathom, why, anybody who ran a website and worked hard at attracting and nurturing an online community, would commit the most fundamental of indiscretions with his readers’ comments – deleting and moulding them at his own whim.

As seen in his response above, Cook viewed the comments section of his website topics as a resource, to be used for ‘educating’ the public.

From there on, editing, deleting and moulding the historical record probably did not seem any wrong to Cook.

More here: Skepticalscience – Rewriting History

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Dr. Dave
October 11, 2011 12:24 am

Well…if “climate scientists” can go back and change history by “adjusting” past temperatures, why shouldn’t John “no ears” Cook do so on his own blog?

October 11, 2011 12:26 am

Cook’s site is the first…”reduced” oxymoron (ie it’s lost the oxy)

October 11, 2011 12:34 am

Cooking the science ?

DirkH
October 11, 2011 12:41 am

He must have read 1984 when he was small and liked it very much and he always wanted to be Winston Smith.

Olavi
October 11, 2011 12:43 am

Skeptical science should be skeptical, but it’s instead religious AGW nonsense. All indigators point towards cooling, while AGW religious people says it’s warming. As a demokrat i like to say all politicians: Stop believing all the nonsense what those idiot’s say “science”. Uncertainties in climate are still 95%. Maybe 100 years from today, we start to know something about it.

Joel Heinrich
October 11, 2011 12:52 am

Not to be too picky, but it is definitely not an oxymoron but the opposite, a pleonasm, as skepticism is a part of science.

J.H.
October 11, 2011 1:00 am

So Cook is a propagandist…… and is now proven to be one. tch, tch. Silly boy. Threw a readership away for tribalism.
Well no point visiting his blog for information or discussion… I’m not interested in a person or blog that rewrites history to suit themselves….
…. So cross Skepticalscience off the reading list…. If I want to read propaganda, I’ll go straight to the RealClimate source of official climate propaganda…One’s enough. Don’t need to read two.;-)

Bryan
October 11, 2011 1:01 am

Jorg Zimmerman has a current post on how “deniers” use tricks to escape critical scrutiny.
A typical response is shown below
………………………………………
Ari Jokimäki at 19:19 PM on 7 October, 2011
One common trick is to put non-peer-reviewed papers to arXiv (a well-known preprint server for papers that already have been peer-reviewed and waiting to be published) to achieve a status of scientific publication. Gerlich & Tscheuschner paper was there ages before it was published. McIntyre & McKitrick have used this trick too.
……………………………………
Last night I posted;
…… “Another trick that is used is for a site that is heavily censored is to remove all rational counter argument posts.
This makes the original flawed post seem more plausible.”…….
I don’t know how long it was visible before it was removed however it is gone now.
Skeptical Science must identify itself as a heavily censored site.

fredb
October 11, 2011 1:11 am

This is really about the issue of accountability; who holds any public blog accountable for their content, and by what authority do they claim that accountability?
Recognize that your opinion of another’s actions is relative to your sense of values. You may think your values are best, but so do other people feel about their values. For a silly example, if I choose to wear fluorescent pink in public and decry people who wear black, then by what authority can anybody hold me accountable. They can comment on my actions, they can disagree from the perspective that in their world view it is inappropriate, but they cannot hold me accountable other than in the relativistic sense that it offends their definition of appropriate.
And so, by the same token, I would note that I find WUWT offends my sensibilities far more often than does skepticalscience … but so what? It is the choice of the blog owners and managers to express within their sense of values, and to operate in their chosen reference frame. And that should be that.

October 11, 2011 1:20 am

Cook….
Cooking…
Cocked up…
Deleting…
So what we have is a cocked up Cook deleting inconvenient criticisms in FULL view of the eyes of the world as if he was merely baking a cake – which means Cook has cooked the books and mistook religion for science… Wow. This should really be headline news, I think.

Dr. Dave
October 11, 2011 1:28 am

This is WAY O/T (moderators, please feel free to snip at will). I’m wondering why climate science seems to be immune to all the social slings and arrows directed at virtually every other branch of science. What I’m talking about is the great outcry from the left that there aren’t enough women and minorities in fields like physics, chemistry, engineering, medicine, pharmacy, etc. Over the last couple of decades this has largely corrected itself. There ARE more women and minorities in these fields today…lots of them. They fired that guy at Harvard for stating the obvious. “Perhaps men tend to gravitate to certain fields (e.g. engineering, metallurgy).” WAY too sexist a statement! My question is, why does there seem to be a dearth of black climate scientists in the US? I’m talking about actual climatologists, meteorologists, atmospheric physicists, etc., not some insipid biologist cashing in on the gravy train. Look at all the “expert panels” called by either side. They’re all lily white. The left is absolutely silent about this obvious lack of diversity.
It appears even Obama couldn’t scare up even one black climate scientist to sit in on his supporting cast of sycophants and academic parasites. Is climate science not only dishonest but racist too?

October 11, 2011 1:33 am

This is consistent with the aim of the ‘warmistas’ to only record their opinion. Cook should be held in total contempt.
AW, I love WUWT for its information and the considered dialogue between the sharp thinkers but maybe we afford ‘Cook and Co.’ too much respect … he is after all nothing but a sycophant of the current illegitimate Australian government under Juliar Gillard and Bob Brown.

TimC
October 11, 2011 1:45 am

Anthony: isn’t it then time for a new category on your blogroll listings – perhaps “Pro-AGW Advocacy (Comments Re-Written)”?

The Ville
October 11, 2011 1:48 am

I think firstly Bryan, you need to post a rational counter argument at Skeptical Science.
From what I can see on the latest article at Skeptical Science, Pielke is having at least a genuine dialog. It sort of makes ‘Watts Up With That’ scientifically irrelevant.

October 11, 2011 2:00 am

All of the free thinkers and those capable of innovative thought who visit SkS and challenge the resident team, pushing the arguments above and beyond their, the resident SkS teams limited parrot like understanding of the climate, through following the postings blow by blow, very quickly become aware of how heavily censored and hypocritical the SkS moderation process is.
All such original thinkers inevitably depart, exasperated at the extent of which the Dunning–Kruger effect is entrenched amongst the SkS team, something strikingly highlighted in the exchanges presently taking place with Dr. Roger Pielke Sr.

Steve C
October 11, 2011 2:06 am

Delusion -> deletion -> disinformation. Disgraceful.

Kelvin Vaughan
October 11, 2011 2:15 am

As “people never change” it makes one wonder how much of History is accurate.

October 11, 2011 2:16 am

It will be very interesting to use the way back machine on other alarmists sites and see what ‘editorial bias’ comes to light. I wonder if the analysis could be automated or a ‘diff viewer’ used to show the extensive editing in real time… the good thing is its way to late to block out the way back machine – the snapshots have been made and they just need to be trawled…
This is very much akin to the literal dumping of 4500 anti submissions to the Carbon Tax inquiry in Australia – just ignoring them will certainly not make them go away…

KnR
October 11, 2011 2:29 am

Given that Skeptical science is actual pimped by the ‘Team’ its not exactly a surprise to find the approach it takes when it comes to reality , Cook knows what it takes to keep the believers happy and ‘Team’ approval , he just doing his job .

Myrhh
October 11, 2011 3:02 am

Propaganda techniques:
“Transfer: Transfer is a technique used to carry over the authority and approval of something we respect and revere to something the propagandist would have us accept. Propagandists often employ symbols (e.g., waving the flag) to stir our emotions and win our approval.” http://academic.cuesta.edu/acasupp/as/404.htm
We respect, in the scientific world certainly, “skeptics”, it is the mark of a good scientist to be this. Transferring the authority and approval this has among the sceptical scientists who are now become banded together against AGW in that designation is a propaganda ploy, simple usurpation of the name implying being such a one when all the while actively working to destroy any discussion, deviation, from the party line against which sceptics argue.
This site has now escalated from the more subtle beginnings to full on bandwagonning by demeaning any posters deviating from the party line with all kinds of ad homs, along the lines of the Beria technique who first proposed, (afaik), that calling one’s opponents ‘insane’ would have the double effect of taking credibility away from them at the same time as discouraging others from associating with them or their ideas, because who wants others to think he believes something insane (or unscientific)? The loudness of the attacks keeps the attackers in check too.
Of course, this is geared to catch both the unwary passing and direct traffic of those interested but not knowing the arguments and the real sceptic thinkers (scientist or other) who can see through the propaganda, whose visits are just necessary working material for the project.

Gareth Phillips
October 11, 2011 3:12 am

The main issue seems to be that the role of the moderator is to promote and facilitate discussion to gain insight into a debate. That is not Cook’s intention. His primary goal is run a debate where all dissenting voices are quickly stamped on, cyber bullied or humiliated so that his site remains free of those who would influence others to stray from the path of total belief. If we see his role in that way his actions make sense, his behaviour is only puzzling if you think of him as a moderator or someone who is truly committed to open and honest debate.

October 11, 2011 3:15 am

ALL blogs tend to edit/censor their content to reflect the point-of-view of the blogger.
removal and editing goes on for various reasons at all but the completely unmoderated, that tend to descend into chaos very quickly.
Self-proclaimed ‘Skeptics’ seem to be exquistely sensitive, but hypocritical, in their objection to the ‘D’ word while using ‘warmist’ ‘alarmist’ ‘Fraudulent’ and accusing scientists of falsifying data for funding.
Whinging about blog editing…. Motes and Beams!!!

cedarhill
October 11, 2011 3:37 am

The real problem is taking the step from whatever is “offensive” speech to suppression of speech. It would be better to simply move them to a thread “I find these comments offensive”.
And while one is at it, what’s the big deal about using a letter, a hyphen and the word “word”. For example, if, for example, you don’t like the C-word (meaning “Christian”) why not spell it out. Is it really less offensive for one to fill in the blanks in one’s mind. And it would be a lot clearer for all those E-word folks out there.

Agnostic
October 11, 2011 3:39 am

My first foray into really understanding the nuts and bolts of CC was at skeptical science. it was there that I encountered many arguments from some skeptical commentators that got me thinking, especially that the explanations offered to skeptical arguments were too simplistic. I was there primarily to do what the site is their to do; counter skeptical arguments that I had come across primarily from my father.
One article provided raw data and invited the reader to download and examine for themselves. I did just that, analyzed it and found that the original article appeared to be misrepresenting the data – there was more to it than the article discussed. So I pointed out a few things and posted my analysis – in what can only be described as the most humble and neutrally inquiring way. I was promptly accused of being a ‘concern troll’ – (WTF is that???) and subsequent posts were moderated into the aether. So I came here.

October 11, 2011 3:43 am

An oxymoron (from Greek “sharp dull”) is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms.
Pleonasm (from Greek, pleon: more, too much) is the use of more words or word-parts than is necessary for clear expression: examples are black darkness, or burning fire. Such redundancy is, by traditional rhetorical criteria, a manifestation of tautology.
“Skeptical” + “science” is a pleonasm. And as used by Cook, where the true meaning contradicts the usage, we have an implicit and hypocritical oxymoron. Assuming there is no single term for “implicit oxymoron”, it looks like we have here a
Hypocritical Pleonastic Oxymoron.
Well done Cook.

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