BBC: The Little Ice Age was all about solar UV variability… wasn't an ice age at all

Mike Bromley writes in: BBC has the explanation for the European LIA… it wasn’t really an ice age at all.   See this strange quote.

“The Little Ice Age wasn’t really an ice age of any kind – the idea that Europe had a relentless sequence of cold winters is frankly barking” – Dr Mike Lockwood Reading University

No real discussion of the mechanisms that I could understand, referenced some papers your front line team would profitably have a go with.    The BBC has solved the whole riddle.   this has nothing to do with Global warming and it’s all local variability.

Full story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15199065

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“The researchers emphasise there is no impact on global warming.”
Keeping the religion alive AND assuring continuing funding!!!
This is just SICK.
Hal

Fred Allen

It all makes sense really. How could the LIA be associated with global warming? Tosspots.

Dave N

How many = “relentless”?

JaneHM

The first time I read it on the BBC site yesterday I thought Lockwood’s ‘strange’ quote referred to the fact that not all the winters during the LIA were cold.
The bigger issue raised in the BBC article is whether the recent SORCE UV measurements are accurate: perhaps one of the WUWT solar experts could weigh in on that.

I’ve read the paper and the BBC hews to its meaning. The paper does not concern an effect of AGW or the LIA at all, but rather, the effect of solar cycles over the scale of individual decades.
Peiser really blew it. He really needs to apologize for sounding a false alarm.

Now that is remarkable.
The merchants of London must have been able to float their entire “frost fair” markets 18″ above the middle of the Thames with no visible means of support and without getting wet!!!
Furthermore, medieval technologists must have been able to freely skate above the water on the Thames with amazing efficiency.
Such technology must have made it to the New World, for we have reports of skating on the Hudson River. and on the Brandywine.
How can we recover this amazing technological expertise?

Rick Bradford

I think I get it — the Sun was responsible for significant climate variations in the 17th century, but has no effect on the climate in the 20th and 21st centuries.
Yup, that’s Warmista science all right.

rc

So the LIA wasn’t an ice age of any kind, and the MWP didn’t exist (according to the Hockey Team), or was only regional. Sounds about the right time to quote/paraphrase some Orwell:
And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale — then the lie passed into history and became truth. ‘Who controls the past,’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future’

Neil

Hmm. Interesting.
So if there wasn’t a LIA, the Hudson River couldn’t have frozen in 1775 / 1776.
If this is the case, how did Colonel Knox get the cannons to Dorchester Heights?
In other words, American History requires a LIA, in much the same way as the history of Rome requires Caesar to cross the Rubicon.

Bluecollardummy

Freezing your ass off doesn’t impact global warming. I’m speechless.

J Huntly.

Bradley.
Benny Peiser on the GWPF website merely linked to the Sunday Times story. The Little Ice Age was their idea, not the GWPF. When the GWPF came to comment themselves they showed themselves to be far more accurate than the news websites.
For example.
Just compare David Whitehouse’ story
http://www.thegwpf.org/the-observatory/4063-the-sun-and-the-winter-of-2011.html
to Richard Black’s version.
Whitehouse is a real journalist, unlike Black.

dtbronzich

Funny, I thought the Sun shone on the whole globe………..

Brian Johnson uk

Another Black from Black. The BBC has to make cuts so why not take the opportunity Beeb pen pushers to push? I am sure the WWF/GreenPees/Friends of the Earth/Plane Stupids could offer Mr Black a job……..

R. Gates

Yep…and no GCR/cloud connection needed. Imagine that!

Mike Bromley the Kurd

Anthony, unless there is a second Mike Bromley on here, I didn’t post the LIA story. I submitted a blurb about Scientific American.

MangoChutney

Anybody notice how Richard Black doesn’t allow comments on his BS anymore and if comments are allowed, they are closed before any debaye actually happens or sceptc comments are given negative reviews and yet the voiceds of true believers are not heard?

Lew Skannen

“The latest satellite data shows the UV output is far more changeable than scientists had previously thought.”
OK then … does this new fact not change their view that the ‘science is setted’ ???? The famous models did not include this but they are somehow above reproach.
There is just NO consistency to this narratve other than the preconcieved conclusion that we cause bad planetary behavior and must be punished.
.

The University of Reading is of comparable stature to the University of East Anglia. Don’t expect any Nobel Prize winning science from these folks. Lot’s of touchy, feely “Non-Science”.
It has been almost 200 years since the Thames froze over thanks to a warming climate and the Urban Heat Island effect.

Peter Miller

I do not see the point of this BBC article unless it is an opening shot in a campaign to explain to the AGW faithful why you have colder winters in many parts of the globe, while there is ‘global warming’.
In other words, this is just another way of trying to explain away observations and data which do not agree with the IPCC’s and others’ climate models.

Siliggy

Now combine the UV stuff from that with the UV stuff from this:
” That means the plankton may react to UV rays quickly enough to impact their own weather.”
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/0702_planktoncloud.html

Ursus Augustus

The Black article is the usual tosh but is it just me but doesn’t Richard Black look an awful ( and I mean AWFUL) lot like both Michael HockeySchtick Mann and Gavin RealClimate Schmidt? Same Mum? Same Dad? Clones?? TRIPLETS???
Maybe these blokes are all in some weird offshoot of Opus Dei and have weird plastic surgery to all look like…. hobbits? Orc-Hobbits?
Opus Gaia?
Just too weird to take seriously now but won’t this all make an amazing movie / mini series some time in the ( not too distant ) future. Imagine the Mann-Schmidt – Black teleconference scene or meeting over coffee at Copenhagen. Danny de Vito could play them all! Anyone want to work on the script?

pat

So the incredible expansion of Andean, Alaskan, Canadian glaciers did not happen? The death of a million Chinese and the abandonment of Siberia and Greenland was a “denier’s’ lie?
Are these people insane?

Ray Boorman

Okay, so reading the GWPF report, this was NOT observed data, it was merely the result of feeding a reduction of uv levels into climate models. Do these people ever do real research based on measuring things??

Doug in Seattle

Although the BBC has it wrong about UV being the likely solar variable responsible for for the LIA, they do correctly state that it was not an ice age.
I would recommend reading some of Shaviv’s works on the mechanisms in play during full blown ice ages. The LIA might have some similarities, say perhaps high GCR flux, but the temperature drop for an ice age is 10-15C as opposed to a couple of degrees for the LIA.

R. Gates

Seriously though, it good to see some credibility and actual quantification to the UV-stratosphere connection. This is an important step and displays a solar-climate connection that has nothing to do with the whole GCR issue…

Steeptown

Richard Black is the worst sort of cut-and-paste journalist that the BBC employs. He has no scientific background and will quote any “climate scientist” who is an ardent warmist. He has never been known to ask any serious questions; he just accepts unthinkingly what he has been told provided it is on-message with the BBC brand of extreme alarmism.

Mike Bromley the Kurd

Nice snide, R. Gates. Continue.

I was struck by two statements in the GWPF article that J Huntly linked to.
1. A statement from the UK Met Office in 2010
“Although the probability of severely cold winters in the UK is gradually declining, there is currently no evidence to suggest similar changes in extremes of snow, winds and storms in the UK.” In other words, the frequencies of snow and of cold winters are not related.
2. The author of the article said “I don’t believe that this latest research increases the probability of a severe UK winter this year.”. This implies that the type of weather is influenced by the type of research carried out on it. After all, I’m sure there is a strong correlation between the numbers of papers published on global warming and the global temperature estimate.

Pingo

I’m amused by their, ‘when its colder in europe, the warmth goes elsewhere’ thinking. Don’t GISS assume the opposite near the Arctic when they invent data for it from the closest stations 1000km away?
It’s all just damage limitation and no consistency.

Julian Braggins

Dr Mike Lockwood should read the whole of:-
‘A Chronological Listing of Early
Weather Events
James A. Marusek
During the winter of 1779-80 New York Harbor in the United States froze solid for five weeks. Troops
and people walked across the ice from New York to Jersey City and Staten Island with all sorts of goods
including heavy cannons.33
In the United States in December 1779, a correspondent of the National Intelligencer, a resident of
Virginia, said Colonel Baylor’s regiment of horse crossed the Potomac River at Georgetown
(Washington, D.C.), upon the ice, on their march to the Carolinas.38
In the United States on 14 January 1780, the cold was very intense that the mercury sunk into the bulb of
the thermometer. The ice upon the James River in Virginia was 38 inches (1 meter) thick; and the
Chesapeake Bay was so completely bridged with ice that many persons crossed over upon it from
Annapolis to Kent Island in Maryland. Loaded wagons passed over the Chesapeake Bay.38
In the United States an old revolutionary officer stated that on 7 March 1780, he rode from Falmouth to
Fredericksburg, Virginia upon the ice of the Rappahannock River, in company with his regiment, which
was returning to Virginia, from the north. The cold weather continued without intermission from 10
December 1779 to March 1780.38
In the United States during the winter of 1779-80, the ice was driven out of the mouth of the Mississippi
River into the Mexican gulf.42
http://www.breadandbutterscience.com (free 580 page download pdf, many refs.)
and meantime in Europe, the Seine river had seven feet thick ice at its mouth, nothing to see there, move on, move on./sarc
It does seem from reading the accounts that extreme winters alternated with either very wet or hot summers which exacerbated food supply problems. Averages hide reality, they do not explain it.

brett

Doug-that is why it is refered to as a “little” ice age 🙂

Al Gored

LIARS

Al Gored

Guess I should explain.
Little Ice Age Revisionists = LIARS.

jason

That article had one purpose – propaganda. Richard I know you will read this post, so you should be ashamed of your stance, its political not scientific.

ColdinOz

They are worried that it is going to happen, and need to have an explanation for it that fits their ideology.

observa

“The latest satellite data shows the UV output is far more changeable than scientists had previously thought.”
but wait there’s more folks-
“It’s a jigsaw puzzle, and when you average it up over the globe, there is no effect on global temperatures,”
now what to do with all those funny jigsaw pieces?
‘The new research involved plugging SIM’s ultraviolet measurements into the Met Office Hadley Centre computer model of the world’s climate.’
aside from the puzzling pieces are there any missing jigsaw pieces here folks-
‘Dr Scaife emphasises that ultraviolet emissions are not the sole reason why winter temperatures vary.’
what the Hell let’s assume we’ve got all the jigsaw pieces anyway-
“Assuming these new satellite data are correct… then as the 11-year solar cycle is predictable, it’s going to contribute some predictability for European and indeed UK weather,”
abracadabra , eye of newt, leg of toad, hocus pocus allakazaam!
“We now have a viable explanation of why that[LIA] happened – nothing to do with global warming, but in terms of temperature re-distribution around the north Atlantic.”
And you deniers and skeptics thought they were making this stuff up as they went along?

UK Sceptic

Black – as opaque to critical thought as his name suggests. That’s why he fits in as a Leftie Beeboid Grandee so easily, it’s in his job description.

Two months ago Richard Black was pushing a report from some AGW scientists that Coal fire electric plants in China were the cause of the recent cooling.
Its now very clear that some reporters are telling the public blatant lies, saying that freezing temperatures globally has basically “nothing to do with Global warming and it’s all local variability.” which I agree that they are trying to push this as some half-assed explanation that backs their previously wrong conclusions of Anthropogenic climate change or various pseudo-scientific steaming pile Bull that we’ve been subjected to over the past two decades, Enough!
It is mind numbingly obvious that during the recent slump into low solar activity a normal part of the suns various cycles, the result of which caused a global phenomena of a period of cooling, which has be extensively covered by news reports globally over the past 4 years, in three months time that will be half a decade of going into and out of the lower part of a solar cycle of low activity. If the sun causes the Cooling of the planet through reduced activity, why is it so hard to accept that when the sun goes through a period of higher solar activity that this is the cause of any warming?, If anyone else is under any misplaced illusion that winters have no impact on ‘Man Made Global warming’ and it’s all local” here are a fue reports of record winters globally that took me 5 minutes to find and they negate all the artificially hyped ‘Man Made Global warming’.
Unfortunately Freezing winters wold-wide continue to kill.
UK
Britain facing one of the coldest winters in 100 years, experts predict
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/6921281/Britain-facing-one-of-the-coldest-winters-in-100-years-experts-predict.html
Sweden in ‘coldest December in 100 years’
“Power outages, traffic accidents as well as train and flight delays”
http://www.thelocal.se/30914/20101217/
New Zealand
Southland region of New Zealand (NZ) has in the past week been hit by “the worst spring storm in living memory”
http://www.meattradenewsdaily.co.uk/news/051010/nz___snow_hits_farmers_big_time_.aspx
Ireland
It’s official, coldest winter in 130 years in Ireland
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Its-official-coldest-winter-in-130-years-in-Ireland–112421244.html
Japan
Tokyo experiences coldest mid-April day in nearly 50 years.
“At midday, the temperature in Tokyo was 7 degrees. In Miyazaki, the mercury got no higher than 9.5 degrees, the coldest mid-April temperature in 100 years.”
http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/tokyo-experiences-coldest-mid-april-day-in-nearly-50-years
South America
At least 175 people have died in the coldest winter in South America in recent years
http://en.trend.az/regions/world/ocountries/1723309.html
North America (US)
October 2009 3rd Coldest for US in 115 Years, What about the Upcoming Winter?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/07/october-2009-3rd-coldest-for-us-in-115-years-what-about-the-upcoming-winter/
Germany
One of the coldest winter in 100 years
http://translate.google.com.au/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sz-online.de%2Fnachrichten%2Fartikel.asp%3Fid%3D2042096&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Russia
“…in Siberia it was perhaps the record breaking coldest ever,’ said Dr Alexander Frolov, head of state meteorological service Rosgidromet”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1260132/Russian-weatherman-strikes-blow-climate-change-lobby-announcing-winter-Siberia-coldest-record.html
China
China battles “coldest winter in 100 years”
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2008/02/04/idUKPEK161570._CH_.242020080204
Australia
Australians shiver through coldest winter morning in 30 years
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/7863227/Australians-shiver-through-coldest-winter-morning-in-30-years.html
Canada
Coldest winter in years, Environment Canada warns
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/CTVNewsAt11/20071130/cold_winter_071130/
South Africa
Coldest Recorded September Night in Durban, South Africa
http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/09/coldest-recorded-september-night-in-durban-south-africa/
Buenos Aires
Polar Cold Wave – Coldest Winter in decades
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g312741-i979-k4606125-Polar_Cold_Wave_Coldest_Winter_in_decades-Buenos_Aires_Capital_Federal_District.html
Antarctica
Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/35266/Global-warming-It-s-the-coldest-winter-in-decades
Northern Hemisphere
“The northern hemisphere in particular has experienced record cold, record snow and a rebuilding of the Arctic sea ice extent.”
http://www.landscheidt.info/?q=node/189
Southern Hemisphere
Coldest winter in a half century in the Southern Hemisphere
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/weather/weather_experts/coldest-winter-in-a-half-century-in-the-southern-hemisphere

Neil McEvoy

The wheels are coming off the AGW bus one by one. Take the decade-plus stasis in mean global temperature. For a long while, consensus scientists denied it was happening. Then they claimed it was due to internal variability when it could be denied no longer. Recently, it’s been put down to transport of heat to the ocean depths, a process they had said was insignificant.
Likewise, the LIA had been obliterated by Mann et al. Now it’s permissible to recognise it, and to attribute it (and the recent run of undeniably cold winters in places people actually live) to solar variations, which had previously been reckoned insignificant.
Sure, the mantra that none of the above casts doubt on AGW is tacked onto each of these new “discoveries”. But sooner or later that will be quietly dropped from one of these papers – in the absence of real-world warming that might rekindle the theory.

BargHumer

Ok, this is what was on CNN last night as I mentioned in a different post, but they did not say anything about whether it was connected or not connected to global warming. What they did say was that this is the reason why the planet has warmed in recent decades – unless I am mistaken, this is a big admission!

J.H.

The Little Ice Age or LIA, is a just an accepted nickname for a short period of cooling after the Medieval warm period and just before this period of Natural warming in the modern era…. So now the Warmists are going to pretend that “Denialist” skeptics are so stupid that they don’t even know what real Ice Ages are.(spare me pu-leese)…and somehow this UV finding proves it….’eh? Say what?.
….Well, that’s the BBC in full propagandist mode for you. Pure British childishness and blatant nastiness….. Mostly it’s way to mollify themselves I think. An inkish pacifier, so to speak… 🙂
A kind of literary way of sucking their thumbs to feel good about it all… It’s pretty hard for them really….. Even the science is turning on them now….All they have left is their ability to twist words.;-)

It’s Funny how local Freezing winters span the Entire Globe.
UK
Britain facing one of the coldest winters in 100 years, experts predict
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/6921281/Britain-facing-one-of-the-coldest-winters-in-100-years-experts-predict.html
Sweden in ‘coldest December in 100 years’
“Power outages, traffic accidents as well as train and flight delays”
http://www.thelocal.se/30914/20101217/
New Zealand
Southland region of New Zealand (NZ) has in the past week been hit by “the worst spring storm in living memory”
http://www.meattradenewsdaily.co.uk/news/051010/nz___snow_hits_farmers_big_time_.aspx
Ireland
It’s official, coldest winter in 130 years in Ireland
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Its-official-coldest-winter-in-130-years-in-Ireland–112421244.html
Japan
Tokyo experiences coldest mid-April day in nearly 50 years.
“At midday, the temperature in Tokyo was 7 degrees. In Miyazaki, the mercury got no higher than 9.5 degrees, the coldest mid-April temperature in 100 years.”
http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/tokyo-experiences-coldest-mid-april-day-in-nearly-50-years
South America
At least 175 people have died in the coldest winter in South America in recent years
http://en.trend.az/regions/world/ocountries/1723309.html
North America (US)
October 2009 3rd Coldest for US in 115 Years, What about the Upcoming Winter?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/07/october-2009-3rd-coldest-for-us-in-115-years-what-about-the-upcoming-winter/
Germany
One of the coldest winter in 100 years
http://translate.google.com.au/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sz-online.de%2Fnachrichten%2Fartikel.asp%3Fid%3D2042096&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Russia
“…in Siberia it was perhaps the record breaking coldest ever,’ said Dr Alexander Frolov, head of state meteorological service Rosgidromet”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1260132/Russian-weatherman-strikes-blow-climate-change-lobby-announcing-winter-Siberia-coldest-record.html
China
China battles “coldest winter in 100 years”
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2008/02/04/idUKPEK161570._CH_.242020080204
Australia
Australians shiver through coldest winter morning in 30 years
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/7863227/Australians-shiver-through-coldest-winter-morning-in-30-years.html
Canada
Coldest winter in years, Environment Canada warns
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/CTVNewsAt11/20071130/cold_winter_071130/
South Africa
Coldest Recorded September Night in Durban, South Africa
http://climateresearchnews.com/2008/09/coldest-recorded-september-night-in-durban-south-africa/
Buenos Aires
Polar Cold Wave – Coldest Winter in decades
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g312741-i979-k4606125-Polar_Cold_Wave_Coldest_Winter_in_decades-Buenos_Aires_Capital_Federal_District.html
Antarctica
Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/35266/Global-warming-It-s-the-coldest-winter-in-decades
Northern Hemisphere
“The northern hemisphere in particular has experienced record cold, record snow and a rebuilding of the Arctic sea ice extent.”
http://www.landscheidt.info/?q=node/189
Southern Hemisphere
Coldest winter in a half century in the Southern Hemisphere
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/weather/weather_experts/coldest-winter-in-a-half-century-in-the-southern-hemisphere

Henry Galt

J Huntly. says:
October 10, 2011 at 10:19 pm
“Whitehouse is a real journalist, unlike Black.”
Dr Whitehouse writes about the science whilst fearing for its respectability. Comrade Black toes the party line whilst fearing about his pension.

Lord Beaverbrook

It is nice to debate the finer details of what happened and why, but is not the big picture as far as the public are concerned that in order to facilitate a reduction of global temperature of a few 10ths of a degree in 100 years time we, in the UK and even across the NH, are expected to potentially sacrifice thousands if not millions of people in the immediate future.
It’s all well and good suggesting that there is a future potential threat to populations in hot and arrid countries but who has got our back now?
I don’t even presume to state that the effect of a little ice age now, will have the same devastaing effect as it did on a population without modern conveniences, but where is the risk assessment, where are the predictions on food production due to a decreased growing season and available land in the NH, where is the advice to policy makers on fuel poverty and care of the vulnerable? Have the risk assessments been done, but not publicised, or not even thought of?
All we see is billions of pounds/dollars going in completely the wrong direction, and to add insult to injury it’s our money financing this research.
We in the UK will lead the world by example on carbon mitigation………. by committing national genocide.
Seriously, it’s time for a change in direction, it’s time for science to actually prove that it can be used to influence pollicy without being influenced by it, for the good of society. Whether it be to the IPCC or another body, governments have to be now asking the question what happens to societies outside of the equatorial regions in the event of an extended solar minimum. Risk assessment has to cover all probabilities not just the politically usefull ones.

Mailman

Doug,
Perhaps the name of the little ice age gives it away that this wasn’t a full blown ice age?
Mango,
The lack of comments isn’t s bad thing given how Blacks threads were almost singularly inhabited by true believers anyway.
Finally, what we all have to understand is that the BBC is nothing more than a Msnn Made Global Warming ™ advocate, justices the BBC advocates multiple-culturalism, the EU, gay tights, Islam, anti-war groups, etc. Basically if it’s anti-western civilisation you can be guaranteed the BBC’s grubby little hands will be involved!
Mailman

Ralph

>>Peter Miller says: October 10, 2011 at 10:44 pm
>>I do not see the point of this BBC article unless it is an opening shot
>>in a campaign to explain to the AGW faithful why you have colder winters
>>in many parts of the globe, while there is ‘global warming’.
Spot on, Peter.
You have to keep the faithful ‘on message’. So when the predicted day of tribulation and armageddon does not arrive, you need an explanation for it. The message is, that Global Warming is REAL, but your flight from LHR is cancelled due three feet of snow merely because there has been a small change in UV this year. And these small changes in UV only affect weather, and never climate.
So keep the faith, keep taking the pills, keep drinking the Kool-Aid, and keep those Green taxes and Green grants buzzing. Pipe-dream utopia here we come, busted economy and all…..
.

The Ville

Have any of the commenters here actually asked the scientists that did the research?
The reason the BBC has stated what it has stated is because that is what their research states!
Is the BBC supposed to mis-report the research?
Imperial College press release:
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandeventspggrp/imperialcollege/newssummary/news_10-10-2011-10-51-13
“Sarah Ineson, who performed the experiments, said: “What we’re seeing is UV levels affecting the distribution of air masses around the Atlantic basin. This causes a redistribution of heat – so while Europe and the US may be cooler, Canada and the Mediterranean will be warmer, and there is little direct impact on global temperatures.””
eg. the effects of CO2 are the same, that is warming. This research just shows the energy is re-distributed.

I’m reposting from the Peiser thread, because I think the Met Office and BBC “turnarounds” celebrating solar powers are simply c-y-a events.
I think the Met Office have devised a failsafe formula.
If it’s warm, they can say AGW! AGW! we told ya so! and if it’s cold they can say Freezing! Freezing! we told ya so! They may even have sent an anonymous caller to pay Piers Corbyn to have a peek at his forecasts which they can incorporate into their own so as to have a better chance of saying Told ya so!
Certainly, making noises about the Sun is moving in the direction of the real source of temperature change longterm (Landscheidt, Daly, Sharp, SSB etc is no doubt still a bridge too far) which means……….. (drum roll) ………… that they will even at this eleventh hour turnabout retain their credibility, power to demand homage, and ability to say Told ya so! which after all is their sole raison d’etre. People have short memories and will forget AGW before remembering how ruthlessly the Met Office supported it and crushed dissent… until it saw fit to quietly appropriate the dissenting views as its own.
/cynic

Patrick

Hi
I cannot post an assessment of Dr Mike Lockwood, of Reading University as I have no personal knowledge of his competency.
However I have known Reading University since 1972 when it used to be “Reading Technical College”, a vocation school, mainly offering excellent City and Guides and National Certificate courses A few years ago all the UK tech colleges got grandiose ideas and became “Universities” . ( More money from the government).
If you want an idea of the level of intelligence displayed by one of the lecturers at the “University” I would recommend you read the many articles about Kevin “Captain Cyborg” Warwick, another lecturer at the seat of wisdom! Let Google be your friend, but here are some tasters. The third article will make you want to throw up, although it was published in April, perhaps a late April fools joke, but I fear it was correct! :-
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/04/home_truths_bionic_man_takes/
http://www.badscience.net/2004/04/the-return-of-captain-cyborg/
http://stochasticblog.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/captain-cyborg-kevin-warwick/
This saga has been going on until the present day, it has just got more and more absurd.
At no time did the University authorities reign in this saga, which must go to show the level of scrutiny by the university administration. It also shows the complete and utter failure of commonsense by many in the academic world
cheers
Patrick (grumpy retired engineer)

UV heats the stratosphere because it is absorbed by O3 and N2.
That alters the span of the Hadley convection cells that arise at the equator changing the convergence zone where the convection cell air descends.
That alters the weather zones at higher latitudes so that temperatures rise within the Arctic circle, but fall in the 50-60deg region.
The warmth, and cold are redistributed from their conventional regions, not that there is a big change in global heat content.
This is confirmed by the abscence of any significant change in sea level during the LIA becuase there was little thermal contraction of the oceans.
The LACK of an effect on global temperatures is made obvious by the recent satellite measurements. For thge best part of a year there has been a VERY quiet Sun comparable to the Maunder minimum in the LIA with very low UV levels. Winters in the Northern higher latitudes have been almost as cold as they were 50years ago before AGW had much effect.
But global temperatures have not fallen back to 1960s levels, at Roy Spencers site the September global temperature is one of the highest in the instrumental record.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
Latest Global Temp. Anomaly (Sept. ’11: +0.29 deg. C)
Not much sign of this cooling phase of the ‘natural cycles’ that some people claim is happening!