UPDATE2 10/18/2011 – The experiment has been replicated several ways, see:
UPDATE: New images added prove without a doubt the faked split screen. See below.
It has been over a week now since the Gore-a-thon aka “24 hours of climate reality”. The front page of the Climate Reality Project has changed from “live mode” to offering clips of video shown during the 24 hour presentation. Note the circled video on the front page below Mr. Gore. I’ve discovered that by watching carefully it reveals an “inconvenient truth” of the worst kind.
Analysis of this “Climate 101” video highlighted on Mr. Gore’s website is something I’ve been working on for the past week and a half. It has been carefully reviewed (with video graphics tools) and has been inspected by a number of science, engineering, and television professionals I’ve had review the video, my video captures, annotations, and writeup to be certain I have not missed anything or come to an erroneous conclusion. It also took me awhile to locate and get the items shipped to me to do the work I needed before I wrote this article. Now that I have them, and have done some simple replications to confirm my suspicions, I can write about them while presenting corroborating photographic evidence.
First, I wish to direct your attention to this video, produced by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project titled “Climate 101”. I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:20. I suggest you click on the little X-arrow icon to expand full screen of the right of the slider tool bar, since this video is in high-definition and the details of my concerns require that higher resolution to view them properly.
It is worth watching a couple of times to get fully familiar with the sequence.
I’ve been in television broadcasting for over 20 years, and I’m quite familiar with editing tricks, I think I spotted more than a few in the video.
There are five scenes that appear, each an edit in that 20 second span of video during which an experiment is set up which supposedly demonstrates that CO2 in a heated jar causes that jar to be warmer than a second heated jar with ambient air in it.
In that 20 second span, I looked for things that changed, indicating that it wasn’t done in a continuous shot. I found evidence that the scene was changed at least three times, suggesting multiple takes.
The giveaways were that I saw objects change in the scene, most notably the CO2 tank, which has three different rotation positions. See the video captures from the Climate 101 video below, with my annotations. Note the position of the safety valve (1) and the label (2) change (click images for HD resolution):
Climate 101 scene @1:01 –
Climate 101 scene @1:05 –
Climate 101 scene @1:09 –
(UPDATE 10:27AM : spotted by commenter “mkelly” – note the thermometers are reversed in the 1:05 video capture versus the 1:09 video capture – note the green card mark on the thermometer scale as explained further in the story) So clearly, this wasn’t done in one take. By itself, there’s nothing wrong with that, but it did make me wonder why for such a simple sequence (putting the tube in the jar) they had to have three separate edits.
Such a simple thing could surely have been accomplished in a single take. All they would have had to do was zoom the camera in/out as the actor did the work, then take the appropriate scenes from the single shot to the final cut. They could have done several continuous takes and chosen the best one, it just seemed odd they had to keep moving/rotating the bottle to do it. It made me wonder if the experiment maybe didn’t go so well and they had to keep trying it.
These scene discontinuities made me curious, and it made me look further to see what else might have been edited in such a way to reveal that what looks like a continuous flow of scenes…actually isn’t.
I’m glad I did.
Now I know there will be lots of arguments about whether this experiment is a valid test of CO2 greenhouse theory or not. It is deceptively simple, and it fits with the claims of it is “high school physics” made by Al Gore and others before and during the 24 hour Climate Reality Project. His specific claim was:
“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011
Let’s put the arguments about applicability of the experiment aside for the moment, and just concentrate on what was presented in the experiment section of the video, because there is plenty to look at in the video with a skeptical eye.
One thing that caught my eye after I noticed the edits with the CO2 tank positions changing was the split screen scene with the thermometers side by side, one with temperature rising faster than the other. It is located starting at 1:10 in the video continuing to 1:17 it is the longest “continuous” scene in experiment section of the video, though we all know that thermometers don’t jump up in spurts like that.
I figured at first they just cut down a longer continuous scene, done with two cameras, so that it fit into the time allotted and then rotated from horizontal and edited them in split screen, which are tried and true techniques, and there’s nothing wrong with doing that.
But thanks to the fact that this was shot in HD video, and because I was able to expand the video to full resolution outside of the web page format bounding, I noticed something that gave me reason to doubt the veracity of this section of video. I suspected it had been faked, but it would take me some time and materials to prove it.
One thing that struck me was how clean the image of the two thermometers was. Remember this is an experiment where the two thermometers are placed inside two glass jars. A proper experimental procedure would be to film them while they are inside of the jars, experiencing the conditions of the experiment, in fact, they were presented just like that with a closeup at 1:02 in the video, you can actually read the thermometer scale:
Note this video capture at 1:02 looks quite different from the video at 1:17 showing the thermometers split screen. There are several differences:
1. Throughout the video from 1:00 to 1:20, the thermometers in the jar are shown horizontal, the split screen at 1:17 shows the thermometers vertical.
2. There’s a greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all.
3. The split screen thermometer scene has not a hint of the optical distortion seen at 1:02 in the video. Note that the thermometer scale is distorted by the glass, and if you look closely by expanding the video capture above to full resolution by clicking on it, you’ll see that the tick marks are distorted differently all along the scale. This is what you would expect from thick glass like the jar is made of.
I considered these possibilities for each point above:
1. That was editing to show the thermometers side by side, perfectly acceptable if the edit was done from combining two separate video streams filmed simultaneously on two cameras while the temperature was rising inside the jar. Cutting down the time is also acceptable, which would account for the “spurts”
2. They may have placed a paper or cardboard background behind the thermometers while filming in the jars to make the scales more visible and to remove visual clutter, but didn’t show it in the video. While using such backgrounds is understandable, not showing that you have done so is a bit of a no-no, but it isn’t a deal killer.
3. While I thought about it a lot, I couldn’t reconcile the glass caused optical distortion issue. Why was it missing from the split screen thermometer scene? I decided I couldn’t answer the question without getting my hands on the objects and re-creating the optical situation with a camera.
That took some doing, because Al’s “high school physics” experiment didn’t come with a bill of materials and list of suppliers. So, in my spare time I started looking for the jars, the thermometers, and the globes so that I could exactly recreate the experiment scene.
I found them all, thanks to Google visual image search and Ebay.
Replicating the scene – materials:
Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543
Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury
http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/
Globe Coin Bank
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386
It took a few days for everything to arrive from the three different suppliers, here they are all together on my desk at work, I actually bought two sets:
What I wanted to do was to recreate the closeup shot like we see in the video at 1:02 to see if I saw similar optical distortions, then see if there was any way that I could get a clear closeup view of the thermometer scale like we see in the split screen at 1:10-1:17.
My theory was that the thermometers aren’t actually in the jar when they were photographed for the split screen.
Checking for optical aberrations:
I used a piece of double-sided foam tape to affix the thermometer:
Here’s a closeup of the thermometer affixed to the globe. Note how clear and distortion free the scale is.
Here’s my attempts at photography of the thermometer inside the jar. I had a lot of trouble getting focused on the thermometer scale due to the autofocus mechanism being distracted by the glass which is in the foreground. Note that you can see the optical aberrations caused by the glass on the thermometer scale. The scale is not straight and the tick marks are also distorted.
Here’s another photo – I could not get the macro view focus right due to the glass confusing the autofocus sensor:
I decided that my camera was inadequate for this particular task, so I called in a someone who has a professional camera with a high quality professional lens capable of manual focus and macro function. It is a far cry from my little Kodak Easy Share Z1012 used to make the photos above:
- Camera – Canon 1D Mark IV
- Lens – Canon MACRO 100mm 1:2.8 L IS USM
Just as I did with my clunky little Kodak camera, the photographer had a lot of trouble getting a clear shot through the glass. Below is a collection of shots done by that photographer at different distances and focus settings on the professional camera. Note that I also rotated the jar to see is different sections made anything clearer. Click any thumbnail to enlarge it (warning large download ~ 10MB each)
The professional photography setup also could not capture an image through the glass jar that looked as clear as what was shown by my photo with the thermometer outside the glass, or as clear as the split screen images presented in the Climate 101 video from 1:10 to 1:17. I invite readers to inspect the images above carefully, examine the EXIF data of the unedited original JPEG images presented at the native resolution of the Canon 1D camera at 4296×3264 pixels and examine for yourselves if it is possible to shoot the thermometer scale through the glass and get an image that is free from any distortions.
Neither I nor the professional photographer could get a clear image through the jar glass that matched the clarity of the thermometer scales seen in the split screen, so I am forced to conclude that in the split screen scene from 1:10 to 1:17 on the Climate 101 video, the thermometers are not in the jars.
But wait, there’s more.
The background behind the thermometers:
Remember point 2 above where I was concerned about the greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video from 1:00 to 1:20? Well, there’s something odd about that too. The background appears identical in both sides of the split screen. What first tipped me off was a speck on the thermometer.
Here’s a video capture from the start of the split screen sequence. I’ve highlighted something I found curious, a speck on the thermometer scale that appears on both thermometers:
At first I thought it was dust, but then I realized that wasn’t possible, as dust would NOT appear identically on both thermometers in the split screen. I surmised it might be a manufacturing defect, printed on the scale. Fortunately, I have two thermometers from the same manufacturer that I can compare to. Here’s my closeup of them:
Nope, no speck, so it isn’t a manufacturing defect common to all thermometers.
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Side note: Note above in the thermometer closeup how the scales are offset, this is due to the manufacturer hand calibrating these glass thermometers by trimming the card with the scale printed on it so 98.6 lines up with the top of the fluid line when the thermometers are placed in the temperature test well. Glassblowing is an inexact science, and each thermometer must be calibrated by a technician, then sealed. You can see how the cards don’t match here:
We can see this in the Climate 101 video also:
The green section of the card for the scale is clearly different lengths as part of the trimming process for calibration, so clearly we have two different thermometers.
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OK, back to the main issue.
In addition to the identical speck on the two thermometer scales, I noted several other identical specks and aberrations in the split screen video. I’ve listed them by number on two video captures below from two different times in the video (click images to enlarge for best viewing):
Climate 101 video @1:10 –
Climate 101 video @1:16 –
I have 8 labeled points that are identical between each frame @1:10 and @ 1:16 In fact they are identical on every video frame from 1:10 to 1:17. The only thing that changes is the blue liquid in the thermometer tube.
- Dots on left top glass edge match exactly
- Speck on right top glass edge matches exactly
- Smudge/discoloration near number “38” on scale matches exactly
- Speck in background matches exactly
- Speck near number 98 on scale matches exactly
- Tick mark pattern near number “36” matches exactly
- Smudge in background matches exactly
- Reflective highlight in glass tube matches exactly
- While not numbered, note how the background shading matches exactly
Conclusions
With 9 points of agreement between the two images through all video frames there is only one possible conclusion:
The split screen is showing the same piece of video, shot by a single camera and edited to make it appear as two separate pieces of video with two separate thermometers. All that is required is to apply edits along different portions of the timeline. It is the same video shot by the same camera on each side of the split screen.
Summary of what was discovered:
- The video of the experiment showing filling of the jar with CO2 was shot in multiple takes because the CO2 cylinder has three different positions between 1:00 and 1:10. It suggests the experiment didn’t go smoothly and had to be repeated.
- The thermometers in the split screen appear not to have been filmed through the glass of the jars, because the split screen video contains no optical aberrations of any kind. Neither myself nor the photographer with professional gear was able to get clear shots through the jar glass that equaled the clarity of the thermometer scales shown in the split screen video. This strongly suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video showing temperature rise.
- The greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all, and not in the jars, suggesting it was used only for that scene, which also suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video sequence.
- The video of the split screen shows two identical backgrounds, and two identical thermometers with 9 points of exact agreement in the backgrounds and the thermometers. Clearly the split screen contains two copies of the same video from one camera, edited in the timeline to make the liquid in the thermometer rise at different rates.
The only conclusion one can make from these four points is that the video of the “simple experiment” is a complete fabrication done in post production.
I’ve double checked my work, and I’ve had other people look at this video and the points I make and they see the same issues. They concur the video of the experiment was fabricated using editing techniques too.
While everyone can make mistakes (I know, I’ve made some big ones myself), this isn’t a case of a simple mistake, its a production that had to have been screened and approved before releasing it. It is mind blowing that this video, which was intended to be shown to millions of people (recall that Mr. Gore’s claim was 8.6 million views), was not clearly identified as an illustration or artistic license and not a true record of an experiment if that was their intent. Yet, they invite viewers to try replicating it themselves.
This level of fabrication on something that is so simple makes me wonder. Mr. Gore claimed in the MNN interview on 9/14 that:
“It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.”
Why then, does Mr. Gore’s organization go to such lengths to fabricate the presentation of the “simple high school physics experiment” they say proves the issue in that venue? Perhaps they couldn’t get the experiment to work properly using the materials chosen? Maybe it might not be so easy to perform at home after all? Maybe a few controls are necessary such as the Mythbusters team used in the video below. Why else would they need to fake it in post?
Even if Mr. Gore and his team wanted to claim “artistic license” for editing the video for the experiment, why would they do so if it is so easy to replicate and do yourself? The narrator, Bill Nye the Science Guy actually invites people to do so at about 0:46 in the video. Why not simply do the experiment and record the results for all to see? Of course a one word lower third caption on the video at that point saying “DRAMATIZATION” would be all that was needed to separate a real experiment from one fabricated in post production – but they didn’t do that. I’ve watched the film several times, checked the audio, and the credits at the end. There is no mention nor notice of any dramatization regarding the “simple experiment” segment that I can find.
If Mr. Gore’s team actually performed the experiment and has credible video documenting the success of his simple “high school physics” exercise, I suggest that in the interest of clarity, now is the time to make it available.
About the experiment:
So far all I’ve concentrated on is the stagecraft I observed. It’s clearly obvious that the split screen scene with thermometers was not filmed inside the cookie jars. I’ve established that it is a staged production from start to finish and the split screen of two thermometers but was edited from a continuous video of a single thermometer with temperature rising then frame sequences were inserted out of order to compose each side of the split screen.
Of course the whole Climate 101 CO2 experiment is questionable to begin with, because it doesn’t properly emulate the physical mechanisms involved in heating our planet. Note the heat lamps used, likely one of these based on the red color we see in the lamp fixture:
Heat lamps like this produce visible red light and short wave infrared (SWIR is 1.4-3 µm wavelength). As we know from the classic greenhouse effect, glass blocks infrared so none of the SWIR was making it into the cookie jar. All that would do is heat the glass. John Tyndall’s 1850’s experiments used rock salt windows, which transmit infrared, for exactly that reason. Adding insult to injury, CO2 has no SWIR absorption bands. What CO2 does have though is higher density than air. The gas in the cookie jars was primarily heated by conduction in contact with the SWIR-heated glass.
Moreover, the CO2 injection in one cookie jar would raise it from 0.04% CO2 to very near 100% CO2 which is hardly comparable to the atmosphere going from 0.03% to 0.04% CO2 during the industrial age. Gore’s team provides no indication of the concentration of CO2 in the jar, that’s hardly scientific. Here’s how current greenhouse theory works:

All that said, in principle it does demonstrate that CO2 absorbs long wave infrared (LWIR 8–15 µm). Energy would likely be transmitted into the gas through conduction with the heated glass (which would likely get very hot) and it would then re-radiate inside the cookie jar as LWIR, and cause the CO2 jar to heat up faster and higher. But this is hardly news. The LWIR absorptive characteristics of many different gases under different pressures and mixtures was experimentally verified in thousands of experiments performed by Tyndall 150 years ago.

This characteristic of CO2 is the theory of operation for millions of CO2 sensors routinely employed in commercial buildings with high occupancy rates to determine when ventilation fans should turn on and off to exhaust the CO2 buildup from a lot of people breathing the same air in a confined space.
So while some might say the stagecraft involved in the Climate 101 presentation wasn’t dishonest it was most assuredly staged with great literary license and dramatization of an effect that was experimentally verified elsewhere with far greater precision and attention to replicating the real world.
I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.
If Mr. Gore wants to convince the world, he’d do far better at emulating the Mythbusters TV show; show all the materials, steps, measurement, and results like they do.
As it stands, the video fabrications in the “simple experiment” by Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project is no better than the stagecraft done by Senator Tim Wirth turning off the air conditioning (to make it hot in the room) when Dr. James Hansen testified before lawmakers in June 1988 about CO2 being a problem.
The public, and especially young budding scientific minds, deserve better than stagecraft.
Of course LWIR radiative CO2 heat retention is only a small part of the global warming issue. There are still raging debates over climate sensitivity, uncertainty, feedbacks, and most recently whether clouds provide positive or negative feedbacks in our atmosphere.
But from my point of view, if everything is so certain, the science so settled, why does Mr. Gore resort to these cheap stagecraft tricks to convince people?
UPDATE: In comments, Mariss Freimanis runs a Photoshop difference analysis, proving the split screen image is the same. He emailed his analysis to me, shown below.


From Mariss
1) I have attached ‘analysis_before’ which is a cropped shot of your original with it’s circles and arrows.
2) The ‘analysis_right_thermo’ is the right thermometer overlaid already positioned to overlay the the left thermometer.
3) The ‘image_analysis_after’ shows the results of subtracting away the right overlay from the underlying left image.
Comments:
1) The attached jpegs are reasonably sized in the sense that they don’t throw away any information. The ‘after’ image black area still contains some residual ‘non-black’ background noise from the subtraction process. This is largely due to my choice of a times-4 repixelation of the original. The image offset was not precisely 0.25 pixels so it reflects some residual image alignment errors.
2) This method reveals minute differences between two images. For the background to be as featureless as it is, it requires both thermometer’s reflections to be identically lit from the exact same light source angle (parallel ray source), their seemingly identical mottled green backgrounds to actually be identical and of course, the thermometers would have to have exactly the same ‘fingerprint’ flaws. It would take one hell of a telephoto lens to see both thermometers from exactly the same perspective. This is inconceivable.
3) The 0.25 pixel offset drift is significant because it reveals the same thermometer was used to sequentially film the composite image. Little things change with time such as thermal expansion. It marks the passage of time. That drift indicates they weren’t filmed simultaneously.
For those that might be concerned about the images above not being full resolution HD and having annotations, here’s the before and after difference image at 1:17 in the video:


Note the only thing that changes is the fluid level and the reflection of it (thin line to the right) in the glass tube. This proves the “result” split screen is the same image, not two thermometers showing results.







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R. Gates;
Look, I’m on limited Internet access right now away from my home on my iPad, but when I get back home Friday night and run through this blog in a bit more detail and make a comprehensive response.>>>
DMH: I thought it was a simple experiment? Suddenly you need detail and time to consider things?
R. Gates;
I am more than willing to follow through on this, and we can even do it together as a group after or before a certain November meeting that some may be attending.>>>
DMH: What has a meeting in November that some people may be attending have to do with it?
R. Gates;
The basic details of this experiment are quite simple and have been repeated in high school physics classes hundreds of times if not thousands.>>>
DMH: I repeat: What are the details of the experiment which was illustrated? I offered to bet that if the experiment was repeated, it would not show the results depicted in the video. You offered to take the bet. Are you welching? Why are you trying to define the experiment instead of stepping up to the bet I proposed, which is that the experiment illustrated would not show the results illustrated? I repeat: What experiment was illustrated?
R. Gates;
We can specify every little detail in advance, exact containers, type and wattage of light, etc. The so-called Gore experiment was only illustrative of a general experiment, with the point being that anyone could do it themselves, and certainly as an ILLUSTRATION was lacking great detail, i.e. What was the wattage and distance of the light source? How thick is the glass? How much heat is being conducted along the tube into the container? Exactly how big is the opening where the tube is entering? Is any heat from the lamp entering the opening where the tube is entering?>>>
DMH: Ah! So you ADMIT that you don’t know exactly what experiment was done! You’ve offered to take a bet that if the experiment was replicated, it would show the results depicted in the video. Now you admit you don’t really have a clue what the experiment was, and so you propose a NEW experiment instead.
QUESTION: I asked if Anthony’s replication of the experiment would suffice and you have not answered yes or no. Its only a one word answer R. Gates, you can do more than that even with an iPAd. Yes? or No?
R. Gates;
So we should be able to agree on these and then proceed, right? The bottom line will be: does the addition of CO2 to one of two reasonably similar container cause the temperature in that container to rise? >>>
DMH: No R. Gates, that was not the bet proposed. The bet proposed was that the experiment done properly would not show the results illustrated in the video. Not the order of magnitude, not the rapidity with which temperature supposedly changed, and so on. I said that the experiment done properly would not show the results in the video, and now you are trying to propose results that are DIFFERENT from what was shown in the video.
QUESTION: Are you going to stand up to your own word and take the bet that I proposed (and which you immediately said you would take)? Or not? Are you going to accept Anthony’s results and methodology? Or not?
I did my own version of the 101 experiment.
Some people determine truth by the alphabet soup after the name of the person speaking or writing, I am not one of those brain dead people.
I also want to know what to believe and what is BS. I am an engineer and am quite good at recognizing BS.
I used 1 plastic jar and 1 sunlamp to eliminate the variables in jar thickness and sunlamp brightness. I lined the bottom with paper towels so the thermometer wouldn’t be sampling the jar material temperature. The distance was also measured and repeatable. I didn’t turn the sunlamp off ever. [each trial was 10 minutes]
The top was open but CO2 is heavier than air and there was no wind.
CO2 was courtesy of baking soda and water. I have no meter to measure %. But it was close to 100 %.
I bought an instant read digital meat thermometer [Farberware] accurate to .1 ° F [at least repeatable] . I used only one because different ones differ by .2 ° F or more.
Between trials I brought the vessel to the same temperature.
I repeated each trial several times and obtained a baseline.
Results:
Baseline:
Heating was about 39.7 ° F with a range of +or – 1 °
[the amount of light hitting the thermometer was hard to keep constant.]
CO2 trials
Heating was 39.4 ° F with the same error range.
The results suggest even 100 % CO2 produces no measurable warming.
Oh, God, please, NO! The last thing we need is a verb form of the word “climate”!!
Stick with good old “climb”, please. I don’t want to read or think about “climing”!
NetDr says:
September 30, 2011 at 4:31 am
Fabulous. Those who can… do. Hope other people in a position to do so do also 😉
davidmhoffer says:
September 29, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Anthony et al;
While I appreciate the moral support, you’re really not helping me out by pointing out R. Gates mistakes to him. I’m trying to make a few bucks here!
Pointing out R. Gates mistakes is a paying job?
Well, the good part is that David has job security.
🙂
NetDr says:
September 30, 2011 at 4:31 am
The results suggest even 100 % CO2 produces no measurable warming.
Do you know someone who made the same experiment reversely?
I’d wonder what happens, if the jars were cooled from room temperature (sealed and vented).
Anyone knows?
Apparently, this “simple high school experiment” varies widely. This fellow: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=312054 was attempting to reproduce it without much luck in showing any difference between the C02 and non-C02 containers.
I notice most seem more interested in showing what happens after the heat source is shut off, simulating “night”.
A key ingredient for this “experiment” may just be how strong the desire to show a C02 heating effect is.
My wife is a retired teacher and does substituting. Based on her description of what passes for education today, Al Gore may actually be correct–the quality of his demonstration may indeed matach the quality of high school physics experiments today.
Good job. I’m an avid Photoshop and 3D graphics modeler and I spotted virtually every background similarity in the split screen in seconds before reading your analysis. It’s very amaturish.
Glass has an IOR of about 1.5, which means that even if shot through a flat piece glass there should be some slight distorations just based on the slight difference in the angle of the two themometers. There is no way to photograph these themometors through curved glass without the index of refraction causing noticable distortions.
Also absent are any ambient reflections from the jar, the room, or the red heat lamp.
Notice that in the video when the heat lamp is on the ambient occlusion and subsurface scattering within the glass jar and themometers causes the themometers to have a red “glow.”
That “glow” should be as prevalent in the split screen.
The themometer is not only not in a jar, but I’ll bet everything I own that it is not under the heat lamp either.
I can only conclude that either the production crew is incompetent or they think their audience is dumber than dirt.
All:
Please look at the video, beginning at the 0:50 second mark.
The “simple experiment” is explained as “Here’s how…” and the setup clearly shown.
Now note the 1:05 mark – the CO2 filled bottle still has the hose in it and is no longer sealed as the heat lamps are applied. Then it is shown with the hose removed at 1:09 with the heat lamps still on, and “within minutes” we should see the temp in the CO2 bottle rise faster and higher than the other bottle’s temperature.
If the experiment is done exactly as shown, it will not get the results described.
However, whatever possible heat difference that the CO2 may create will be overwhelmed by the heating effects of the glass, the thermometer, and the earth globe.
Hmmm… the possible effect of the atmospheric CO2 will be overwhelmed by other more dominate effects.
That sounds familiar. Can’t quite remember where I’ve heard it though.
One look at the green background gives away that it’s the same thermometer in Gore’s video. The lighting is identical. Two thermometers separated by even a few inches would cast different shadows. Fakery.
HenryP insists that CO2 and H2O are not transparent to sunlight. On the contrary, he maintains, atmospheric CO2 reflects significant amounts of sunshine, so that increased CO2 would have a cooling effect as well as a warming effect – the balance would be important.
He cites a web article – his own work – and refers me in particular to a footnote – his own work again – but now points out that there is an article reference within that footnote:
http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/644/1/551/pdf/64090.web.pdf
This is not his own work, though he feels he has the competence to do such work, since spectroscopy is within his field.
I thought it might be a waste of my time, but it would be rude to ignore his answer after I had been scathing about his claims. The article, as you may see if you wish, describes the analysis of the Earth’s reflection spectrum as re-reflected by the Moon (Earthshine). It’s a great paper, but I pretty well knew what it would say, so I skipped to the final figure. These atmospheric spectra show the presence of molecules by the existence of absorption bands – dark bands. Sure enough, some of the radiation at key wavelengths corresponding to the energised states of the CO2 molecule (1.44, 1.59 and 2.03 microns in particular) was missing. It was never reflected. It was absorbed by CO2 in the Earth’s atmosphere. The absorption of energy in this way causes various vibrations of the molecule – heat (unless you have the dictionary of one contributor here who thinks that heat is not a noun).
In short, the paper proved (inter alia) what I thought we all knew – that CO2 absorbs infrared radiation. It doesn’t reflect it. Since spectroscopy lies within Henry’s field, I await correction.
Also, perhaps, since the Moon has kindly done the macroexperiment so neatly, maybe RGates won’t have to? Al Gore, like a broken wristwatch, is still occasionally right.
Sorry if this is a double post – I don’t think the first one went through properly.
As I think others have pointed out, how is this any different from cooking shows? The gist of a cooking show is to demonstrate how to make something, with intention that you will try it for yourself. However, they don’t show every single step in the cooking process but only the major steps needed to accomplish the result. For example, to demonstrate how to bake bread, its not required to show the whole process of the dough rising or the bread baking, that would be tedious and boring. As long as the final result comes out as explained, its not really that important to show every single step. And nowhere are there disclaimers that the show is a dramatization, since the audience is generally smart enough to fill in the blanks and understand the constraints of a show in a limited time slot.
I think the issue is you’re coming at this from the wrong angle. Gore’s video is not a TV news report, and therein lies the difference. In TV news, there is an expectation that what is being shown are actual events, thus any deviation from that must be specified. In Gore’s video, it is clear from the beginning, and throughout the video, that what is being shown is NOT reality, but an illustration or caricature of the concepts being described, hence the ping pong balls representing solar radiation hitting the earth, stylized effects and cartoony sound effects, among other things.
Yes, that is a false equivalent. I have no problem with Gore et al’s video because it is summarizes the setup and results of a well known and documented scientific experiment. Likewise, I would have no issues if you or anyone else were to make a video summarizing a well known experiment, no matter how shoddily or randomly the video was edited. On the other hand, if you were to make a video that greatly disagreed with established scientific results (lets say claiming that water boils at 200C at sea level), then, regardless of how the video was edited or set-up, you’d better believe I’d be extremely skeptical and nitpicky. But that situation is completely different than what we have here. Its not the video or video setup that matters, its the scientific claim thats important.
@ur momisugly NetDr You, Sir, are a treasure, because you actually DID a version of the experiment and reported what you found. That is worth more to me than a thousand posts that say “suppose we did this!”
I am looking forward to Mr. Watts’ report on what happens when he tries replicating the Bill Nye version. I suspect his results will also be null, but who knows?
Thank you, NetDr!
Which one will cool faster?
Wouldn’t that also be an important part, because we are “exciting” the CO2 molecules?
What is the differences in “resting states”?
Do both jars raise to room temperatures equally?
One of the problems, I’ve always had in the AGW hypothesis is holding things as constants…such as…convections…solar variances etc.
Inquiring kids wanna know.
The experiment in no way simulates the way CO2 supposedly causes warming on a planet.
The experiment makes little sense because even the alarmists don’t claim that the CO2 is warmed by the light from the sun as it is in the experiment [supposedly].
The claim is that the sunlight hits the earth so the sunlight is converted to Infra Red but CO2 blocks the IR !
Henry@Rolf Atkinson
I am talking about deflection, meaning re-radiation or back-radiation, in fact, you could also call it reflection. It is all the same thing. The molecule acts mirror-like in the absorptive areas. Now you just want to muddle it up again by claiming the radiation stayed on earth rather than following the path sun-earth-moon-earth. I have been there before, done that, with all of you of the AGW cloth.
Clearly, you do not (want to?) understand how the GH effect works and the principle of re-radiation
so I am given up on you as I have given you all the clues.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/the-greenhouse-effect-and-the-principle-of-re-radiation-11-Aug-2011
NetDr says:
September 30, 2011 at 4:31 am
I did my own version of the 101 experiment.
CO2 was courtesy of baking soda and water. I have no meter to measure %. But it was close to 100 %
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Too bad you didn’t have a way of measuring CO2, as you would have discovered that there was the exact same amount in each container, i.e., the normal atmospheric amount. Why? Because baking soda and water won’t produce CO2…you needed to add vinegar instead. Try again…
Henry@Rolf Atkinson
I am talking about deflection, meaning re-radiation or back-radiation, in fact, you could also call it reflection. It is all the same thing. The molecule acts mirror-like in the absorptive areas. Now you just want to muddle it up again by claiming the radiation stayed on earth rather than following the path sun-earth-moon-earth. I have been there before, done that, with all of you of the AGW cloth.
Clearly, you do not (want to?) understand how the GH effect works and the principle of re-radiation
so I am giving up on you as I have given you all the clues.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/the-greenhouse-effect-and-the-principle-of-re-radiation-11-Aug-2011
As with all Leftists, you can guarantee they will always overreach. It is in their DNA to do whatever it takes to force their will upon their fellow man, regardless of truth, safety, cost or feasibility. Al Gore is just another Leftist control freak.
Thanks Anthony for exposing this fraud and his sycophants like Bill Nye the anti-science guy.
NetDr says:
September 30, 2011 at 4:31 am
I did my own version of the 101 experiment.
CO2 was courtesy of baking soda and water. I have no meter to measure %. But it was close to 100 %
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Too bad you didn’t have a way of measuring CO2, as you would have discovered that there was the exact same amount in each container, i.e., the normal atmospheric amount. Why? Because baking soda and water won’t produce CO2…you needed to add vinegar instead. Try again
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Sorry that was a typo !
I used baking soda and vinegar.
It bubbled nicely and I filled the jar with a large diameter hose. 1/2 inch so lots of gas went into the jar.
You were right though if I didn’t use the vinegar.
It showed me that if the jar isn’t sealed there is virtually no more warming in the CO2 jar.
I suspect there might be some but it is too slight to measure just like it is on planet earth.
NetDr:
your results are not valid because you used an ir detector.
there’s no telling what you were actually reading since glass, plastic and co2 block/absorb ir.
Cooking shows actually cook the food they claim they’re cooking.
This video is like a cooking show which fakes the actual cooking while telling the audience the WRONG way to cook something.
gnomish says:
September 30, 2011 at 9:06 am
NetDr:
your results are not valid because you used an ir detector.
there’s no telling what you were actually reading since glass, plastic and co2 block/absorb ir.
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I used a digital thermometer accurate to 1/10 ° F. [Farberware], it is more accurate and tracks temperature very quickly.. I tried an alcohol one but it was unusable. Shaking it down was unreliable.
BTW: I watched the Mythbusters CO2 experiment and noticed that the increased warming was slight and the box wasn’t vented to relieve pressure.
The boxes don’t seem to be tightly sealed but the excess warming the mythbusters detected was only 1 ° c so the slight warming is probably just slight pressure difference.
With an open top the CO2 is free to leave but since it is still heavier than air not much will leave and no excess warming is detectable.
If you don’t vent the pressure the larger CO2 molecule expands more and causes more apparent warming.
If there are any real physicists especially ones with a background in quantum physics out there they know that when any gas absorbs radiation it does not cause the gas to “heat”. The work of Dr. Niels Bohr which resulted in his getting the Nobel Prize in physics in1922, knows that any claim of CO2 heating when it absorbs IR does not know what they are talking about.
There is no question that CO2 and other IR absorbing gases (IRag) exist but there are many documented experiments that prove that they do not “heat” Anyone that claims that their experiment shows the heating of the gas by absorption is mistaking heating by conduction or convection for heating by absorption or because they are shining the heat lamp on the thermometer..
The experiment shown in the Climate 101 fake video and the British heating of a gas in a bottle are example of “Confined space heating” aka The typical greenhouse effect- NOT THE Greenhouse Gas effect.
For this experiment, such as it is, to be done properly, the CO2 jar should be filled from a 100% CO2 cylinder (we don’t want water or water-vapor in either jar), and the “control” jar filled w/say, 100% “dry” air or nitrogen. I realize it would be difficult to keep some water-vapor from infiltrating the control jar if it was open. Performing the experiment in a dry atmosphere would be best.
I’ll bet that even w/100% CO2, there won’t be a significant temp difference if done properly.