Video analysis and scene replication suggests that Al Gore's Climate Reality Project fabricated their Climate 101 video "Simple Experiment"

UPDATE2 10/18/2011 – The experiment has been replicated several ways, see:

Replicating Al Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment shows that his “high school physics” could never work as advertised

UPDATE: New images added prove without a doubt the faked split screen. See below.

It has been over a week now since the Gore-a-thon aka “24 hours of climate reality”. The front page of the Climate Reality Project has changed from “live mode” to offering clips of video shown during the 24 hour presentation. Note the circled video on the front page below Mr. Gore. I’ve discovered that by watching carefully it reveals an “inconvenient truth” of the worst kind.

Analysis of this “Climate 101” video highlighted on Mr. Gore’s website is something I’ve been working on for the past week and a half. It has been carefully reviewed (with video graphics tools) and has been inspected by a number of science, engineering, and television professionals I’ve had review the video, my video captures, annotations, and writeup to be certain I have not missed anything or come to an erroneous conclusion. It also took me awhile to locate and get the items shipped to me to do the work I needed before I wrote this article. Now that I have them, and have done some simple replications to confirm my suspicions, I can write about them while presenting corroborating photographic evidence.

First, I wish to direct your attention to this video, produced by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project titled “Climate 101”.  I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:20. I suggest you click on the little X-arrow icon to expand full screen of the right of the slider tool bar, since this video is in high-definition and the details of my concerns require that higher resolution to view them properly.

It is worth watching a couple of times to get fully familiar with the sequence.

I’ve been in television broadcasting for over 20 years, and I’m quite familiar with editing tricks, I think I spotted more than a few in the video.

There are five scenes that appear, each an edit in that 20 second span of video during which an experiment is set up which supposedly demonstrates that CO2 in a heated jar causes that jar to be warmer than a second heated jar with ambient air in it.

In that 20 second span, I looked for things that changed, indicating that it wasn’t done in a continuous shot. I found evidence that the scene was changed at least three times, suggesting multiple takes.

The giveaways were that I saw objects change in the scene, most notably the CO2 tank, which has three different rotation positions. See the video captures from the Climate 101 video below, with my annotations. Note the position of the safety valve (1) and the label (2) change (click images for HD resolution):

Climate 101 scene @1:01 –

Climate 101 scene @1:05 –

Climate 101 scene @1:09 –

(UPDATE 10:27AM : spotted by commenter “mkelly” – note the thermometers are reversed in the 1:05 video capture versus the 1:09 video capture – note the green card mark on the thermometer scale as explained further in the story) So clearly, this wasn’t done in one take. By itself, there’s nothing wrong with that, but it did make me wonder why for such a simple sequence (putting the tube in the jar) they had to have three separate edits.

Such a simple thing could surely have been accomplished in a single take. All they would have had to do was zoom the camera in/out as the actor did the work, then take the appropriate scenes from the single shot to the final cut. They could have done several continuous takes and chosen the best one, it just seemed odd they had to keep moving/rotating the bottle to do it. It made me wonder if the experiment maybe didn’t go so well and they had to keep trying it.

These scene discontinuities made me curious, and it made me look further to see what else might have been edited in such a way to reveal that what looks like a continuous flow of scenes…actually isn’t.

I’m glad I did.

Now I know there will be lots of arguments about whether this experiment is a valid test of CO2 greenhouse theory or not. It is deceptively simple, and it fits with the claims of it is “high school physics” made by Al Gore and others before and during the 24 hour Climate Reality Project. His specific claim was:

“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011

Let’s put the arguments about applicability of the experiment aside for the moment, and just concentrate on what was presented in the experiment section of the video, because there is plenty to look at in the video with a skeptical eye.

One thing that caught my eye after I noticed the edits with the CO2 tank positions changing was the split screen scene with the thermometers side by side, one with temperature rising faster than the other. It is located starting at 1:10 in the video continuing to 1:17 it is the longest “continuous” scene in experiment section of the video, though we all know that thermometers don’t jump up in spurts like that.

I figured at first they just cut down a longer continuous scene, done with two cameras, so that it fit into the time allotted and then rotated from horizontal and edited them in split screen, which are tried and true techniques, and there’s nothing wrong with doing that.

But thanks to the fact that this was shot in HD video, and because I was able to expand the video to full resolution outside of the web page format bounding, I noticed something that gave me reason to doubt the veracity of this section of video. I suspected it had been faked, but it would take me some time and materials to prove it.

One thing that struck me was how clean the image of the two thermometers was. Remember this is an experiment where the two thermometers are placed inside two glass jars. A proper experimental procedure would be to film them while they are inside of the jars, experiencing the conditions of the experiment, in fact, they were presented just like that with a closeup at 1:02 in the video, you can actually read the thermometer scale:

Note this video capture at 1:02 looks quite different from the video at 1:17 showing the thermometers split screen. There are several differences:

1. Throughout the video from 1:00 to 1:20, the thermometers in the jar are shown horizontal, the split screen at 1:17 shows the thermometers vertical.

2. There’s a greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all.

3. The split screen thermometer scene has not a hint of the optical distortion seen at 1:02 in the video. Note that the thermometer scale is distorted by the glass, and if you look closely by expanding the video capture above to full resolution by clicking on it, you’ll see that the tick marks are distorted differently all along the scale. This is what you would expect from thick glass like the jar is made of.

I considered these possibilities for each point above:

1. That was editing to show the thermometers side by side, perfectly acceptable if the edit was done from combining two separate video streams filmed simultaneously on two cameras while the temperature was rising inside the jar. Cutting down the time is also acceptable, which would account for the “spurts”

2. They may have placed a paper or cardboard background behind the thermometers while filming in the jars to make the scales more visible and to remove visual clutter, but didn’t show it in the video. While using such backgrounds is understandable, not showing that you have done so is a bit of a no-no, but it isn’t a deal killer.

3. While I thought about it a lot, I couldn’t reconcile the glass caused optical distortion issue. Why was it missing from the split screen thermometer scene? I decided I couldn’t  answer the question without getting my hands on the objects and re-creating the optical situation with a camera.

That took some doing, because Al’s “high school physics” experiment didn’t come with a bill of materials and list of suppliers. So, in my spare time I started looking for the jars, the thermometers, and the globes so that I could exactly recreate the experiment scene.

I found them all, thanks to Google visual image search and Ebay.

Replicating the scene – materials:

Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543

Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury

http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/

Globe Coin Bank

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386

It took a few days for everything to arrive from the three different suppliers, here they are all together on my desk at work, I actually bought two sets:

What I wanted to do was to recreate the closeup shot like we see in the video at 1:02 to see if I saw similar optical distortions, then see if there was any way that I could get a clear closeup view of the thermometer scale like we see in the split screen at 1:10-1:17.

My theory was that the thermometers aren’t actually in the jar when they were photographed for the split screen.

Checking for optical aberrations:

I used a piece of double-sided foam tape to affix the thermometer:

Here’s a closeup of the thermometer affixed to the globe. Note how clear and distortion free the scale is.

Here’s my attempts at photography of the thermometer inside the jar. I had a lot of trouble getting focused on the thermometer scale due to the autofocus mechanism being distracted by the glass which is in the foreground. Note that you can see the optical aberrations caused by the glass on the thermometer scale. The scale is not straight and the tick marks are also distorted.

Here’s another photo – I could not get the macro view focus right due to the glass confusing the autofocus sensor:

I decided that my camera was inadequate for this particular task, so I called in a someone who has a professional camera with a high quality professional lens capable of manual focus and macro function. It is a far cry from my little Kodak Easy Share Z1012 used to make the photos above:

  • Camera – Canon 1D Mark IV
  • Lens – Canon MACRO 100mm 1:2.8 L IS USM

Just as I did with my clunky little Kodak camera, the photographer had a lot of trouble getting a clear shot through the glass. Below is a collection of shots done by that photographer at different distances and focus settings on the professional camera. Note that I also rotated the jar to see is different sections made anything clearer. Click any thumbnail to enlarge it (warning large download ~ 10MB each)

The professional photography setup also could not capture an image through the glass jar that looked as clear as what was shown by my photo with the thermometer outside the glass, or as clear as the split screen images presented in the Climate 101 video from 1:10 to 1:17. I invite readers to inspect the images above carefully, examine the EXIF data of the unedited original JPEG images presented at the native resolution of the Canon 1D camera at 4296×3264 pixels and examine for yourselves if it is possible to shoot the thermometer scale through the glass and get an image that is free from any distortions.

Neither I nor the professional photographer could get a clear image through the jar glass that matched the clarity of the thermometer scales seen in the split screen, so I am forced to conclude that in the split screen scene from 1:10 to 1:17 on the Climate 101 video, the thermometers are not in the jars.

But wait, there’s more.

The background behind the thermometers:

Remember point 2 above where I was concerned about the greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video from 1:00 to 1:20? Well, there’s something odd about that too. The background appears identical in both sides of the split screen. What first tipped me off was a speck on the thermometer.

Here’s a video capture from the start of the split screen sequence. I’ve highlighted something I found curious, a speck on the thermometer scale that appears on both thermometers:

At first I thought it was dust, but then I realized that wasn’t possible, as dust would NOT appear identically on both thermometers in the split screen. I surmised it might be a manufacturing defect, printed on the scale. Fortunately, I have two thermometers from the same manufacturer that I can compare to. Here’s my closeup of them:

Nope, no speck, so it isn’t a manufacturing defect common to all thermometers.

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Side note: Note above in the thermometer closeup how the scales are offset, this is due to the manufacturer hand calibrating these glass thermometers by trimming the card with the scale printed on it so 98.6 lines up with the top of the fluid line when the thermometers are placed in the temperature test well. Glassblowing is an inexact science, and each thermometer must be calibrated by a technician, then sealed. You can see how the cards don’t match here:

We can see this in the Climate 101 video also:

The green section of the card for the scale is clearly different lengths as part of the trimming process for calibration, so clearly we have two different thermometers.

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OK, back to the main issue.

In addition to the identical speck on the two thermometer scales, I noted several other identical specks and aberrations in the split screen video. I’ve listed them by number on two video captures below from two different times in the video (click images to enlarge for best viewing):

Climate 101 video @1:10 –

Climate 101 video @1:16 –

I have 8 labeled points that are identical between each frame @1:10 and @ 1:16 In fact they are identical on every video frame from 1:10 to 1:17. The only thing that changes is the blue liquid in the thermometer tube.

  1. Dots on left top glass edge match exactly
  2. Speck on right top glass edge matches exactly
  3. Smudge/discoloration near number “38” on scale matches exactly
  4. Speck in background matches exactly
  5. Speck near number 98 on scale matches exactly
  6. Tick mark pattern near number “36” matches exactly
  7. Smudge in background matches exactly
  8. Reflective highlight in glass tube matches exactly
  9. While not numbered, note how the background shading matches exactly

Conclusions

With 9 points of agreement between the two images through all video frames there is only one possible conclusion:

The split screen is showing the same piece of video, shot by a single camera and edited to make it appear as two separate pieces of video with two separate thermometers. All that is required is to apply edits along different portions of the timeline. It is the same video shot by the same camera on each side of the split screen.

Summary of what was discovered:

  1. The video of the experiment showing filling of the jar with CO2 was shot in multiple takes because the CO2 cylinder has three different positions between 1:00 and 1:10. It suggests the experiment didn’t go smoothly and had to be repeated.
  2. The thermometers in the split screen appear not to have been filmed through the glass of the jars, because the split screen video contains no optical aberrations of any kind. Neither myself nor the photographer with professional gear was able to get clear shots through the jar glass that equaled the clarity of the thermometer scales shown in the split screen video. This strongly suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video showing temperature rise.
  3. The greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all, and not in the jars, suggesting it was used only for that scene, which also suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video sequence.
  4. The video of the split screen shows two identical backgrounds, and two identical thermometers with 9 points of exact agreement in the backgrounds and the thermometers. Clearly the split screen contains two copies of the same video from one camera, edited in the timeline to make the liquid in the thermometer rise at different rates.

The only conclusion one can make from these four points is that the video of the “simple experiment” is a complete fabrication done in post production.

I’ve double checked my work, and I’ve had other people look at this video and the points I make and they see the same issues. They concur the video of the experiment was fabricated using editing techniques too.

While everyone can make mistakes (I know, I’ve made some big ones myself), this isn’t a case of a simple mistake, its a production that had to have been screened and approved before releasing it. It is mind blowing that this video, which was intended to be shown to millions of people (recall that Mr. Gore’s claim was 8.6 million views), was not clearly identified as an illustration or artistic license and not a true record of an experiment if that was their intent. Yet, they invite viewers to try replicating it themselves.

This level of fabrication on something that is so simple makes me wonder. Mr. Gore claimed in the MNN interview on 9/14 that:

“It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.”

Why then, does Mr. Gore’s organization go to such lengths to fabricate the presentation of the “simple high school physics experiment” they say proves the issue in that venue? Perhaps they couldn’t get the experiment to work properly using the materials chosen?  Maybe it might not be so easy to perform at home after all? Maybe a few controls are necessary such as the Mythbusters team used in the video below. Why else would they need to fake it in post?

Even if Mr. Gore and his team wanted to claim “artistic license” for editing the video for the experiment, why would they do so if it is so easy to replicate and do yourself? The narrator, Bill Nye the Science Guy actually invites people to do so at about 0:46 in the video. Why not simply do the experiment and record the results for all to see? Of course a one word lower third caption on the video at that point saying “DRAMATIZATION” would be all that was needed to separate a real experiment from one fabricated in post production – but they didn’t do that. I’ve watched the film several times, checked the audio, and the credits at the end. There is no mention nor notice of any dramatization regarding the “simple experiment” segment that I can find.

If Mr. Gore’s team actually performed the experiment and has credible video documenting the success of his simple “high school physics” exercise, I suggest that in the interest of clarity, now is the time to make it available.

About the experiment:

So far all I’ve concentrated on is the stagecraft I observed. It’s clearly obvious that the split screen scene with thermometers was not filmed inside the cookie jars. I’ve established that it is a staged production from start to finish and the split screen of two thermometers but was edited from a continuous video of a single thermometer with temperature rising then frame sequences were inserted out of order to compose each side of the split screen.

Of course the whole Climate 101 CO2 experiment is questionable to begin with, because it doesn’t properly emulate the physical mechanisms involved in heating our planet. Note the heat lamps used, likely one of these based on the red color we see in the lamp fixture:

Heat lamps like this produce visible red light and short wave infrared (SWIR is 1.4-3 µm wavelength). As we know from the classic greenhouse effect, glass blocks infrared so none of the SWIR was making it into the cookie jar. All that would do is heat the glass. John Tyndall’s 1850’s experiments used rock salt windows, which transmit infrared, for exactly that reason. Adding insult to injury, CO2 has no SWIR absorption bands. What CO2 does have though is higher density than air. The gas in the cookie jars was primarily heated by conduction in contact with the SWIR-heated glass.

Moreover, the CO2 injection in one cookie jar would raise it from 0.04% CO2 to very near 100% CO2 which is hardly comparable to the atmosphere going from 0.03% to 0.04% CO2 during the industrial age. Gore’s team provides no indication of the concentration of CO2 in the jar, that’s hardly scientific. Here’s how current greenhouse theory works:

Graphic by Ira Glickstein, PhD. for WUWT - click image for source article

All that said, in principle it does demonstrate that CO2 absorbs long wave infrared (LWIR 8–15 µm). Energy would likely be transmitted into the gas through conduction with the heated glass (which would likely get very hot) and it would then re-radiate inside the cookie jar as LWIR, and cause the CO2 jar to heat up faster and higher. But this is hardly news. The LWIR absorptive characteristics of many different gases under different pressures and mixtures was experimentally verified in thousands of experiments performed by Tyndall 150 years ago.

With this apparatus Tyndall observed new chemical reactions produced by high frequency light waves acting on certain vapors. The main scientific interest here, from his point of view, was the additional hard data it lent to the grand question of the mechanism by which molecules absorb radiant energy. Image: Wikipedia

This characteristic of CO2 is the theory of operation for millions of CO2 sensors routinely employed in commercial buildings with high occupancy rates to determine when ventilation fans should turn on and off to exhaust the CO2 buildup from a lot of people breathing the same air in a confined space.

So while some might say the stagecraft involved in the Climate 101 presentation wasn’t dishonest it was most assuredly staged with great literary license and dramatization of an effect that was experimentally verified elsewhere with far greater precision and attention to replicating the real world.

I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.

If Mr. Gore wants to convince the world, he’d do far better at emulating the Mythbusters TV show; show all the materials, steps, measurement, and results like they do.

As it stands, the video fabrications in the “simple experiment” by Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project is no better than the stagecraft done by Senator Tim Wirth turning off the air conditioning (to make it hot in the room) when Dr. James Hansen testified before lawmakers in June 1988 about CO2 being a problem.

The public, and especially young budding scientific minds, deserve better than stagecraft.

Of course LWIR radiative CO2 heat retention is only a small part of the global warming issue. There are still raging debates over climate sensitivity, uncertainty, feedbacks, and most recently whether clouds provide positive or negative feedbacks in our atmosphere.

But from my point of view, if everything is so certain, the science so settled, why does Mr. Gore resort to these cheap stagecraft tricks to convince people?

UPDATE: In comments, Mariss Freimanis runs a Photoshop difference analysis, proving the split screen image is the same. He emailed his analysis to me, shown below.

analysis_before
analysis_right_thermo

From Mariss

1) I have attached ‘analysis_before’ which is a cropped shot of your original with it’s circles and arrows.

2) The ‘analysis_right_thermo’ is the right thermometer overlaid already positioned to overlay the the left thermometer.

3) The ‘image_analysis_after’ shows the results of subtracting away the right overlay from the underlying left image.

Comments:

1) The  attached jpegs are reasonably sized in the sense that they don’t throw away any information. The ‘after’ image black area still contains some residual ‘non-black’ background noise from the subtraction process. This is largely due to my choice of a times-4 repixelation of the original. The image offset was not precisely 0.25 pixels so it reflects some residual image alignment errors.

2) This method reveals minute differences between two images. For the background to be as featureless as it is, it requires both thermometer’s reflections to be identically lit from the exact same light source angle (parallel ray source), their seemingly identical mottled green backgrounds to actually be identical and of course, the thermometers would have to have exactly the same ‘fingerprint’ flaws. It would take one hell of a telephoto lens to see both thermometers from exactly the same perspective. This is inconceivable.

3) The 0.25 pixel offset drift is significant because it reveals the same thermometer was used to sequentially film the composite image. Little things change with time such as thermal expansion. It marks the passage of time. That drift indicates they weren’t filmed simultaneously.

For those that might be concerned about the images above not being full resolution HD and having annotations, here’s the before and after difference image at 1:17 in the video:

original video capture - click to enlarge
difference process run at full resolution - click to enlarge

Note the only thing that changes is the fluid level and the reflection of it (thin line to the right) in the glass tube. This proves the “result” split screen is the same image, not two thermometers showing results.

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davidmhoffer
September 30, 2011 10:14 am

R. Gates;
you needed to add vinegar instead. Try again>>>
R. Gates gets a science fact right! I’ll mark it on my calendar! In the meantime, I see you ignored my last comment about the wager you agreed to take. I shall post it again now as perhaps you missed it by accident?
R. Gates;
Look, I’m on limited Internet access right now away from my home on my iPad, but when I get back home Friday night and run through this blog in a bit more detail and make a comprehensive response.>>>
DMH: I thought it was a simple experiment? Suddenly you need detail and time to consider things?
R. Gates;
I am more than willing to follow through on this, and we can even do it together as a group after or before a certain November meeting that some may be attending.>>>
DMH: What has a meeting in November that some people may be attending have to do with it?
R. Gates;
The basic details of this experiment are quite simple and have been repeated in high school physics classes hundreds of times if not thousands.>>>
DMH: I repeat: What are the details of the experiment which was illustrated? I offered to bet that if the experiment was repeated, it would not show the results depicted in the video. You offered to take the bet. Are you welching? Why are you trying to define the experiment instead of stepping up to the bet I proposed, which is that the experiment illustrated would not show the results illustrated? I repeat: What experiment was illustrated?
R. Gates;
We can specify every little detail in advance, exact containers, type and wattage of light, etc. The so-called Gore experiment was only illustrative of a general experiment, with the point being that anyone could do it themselves, and certainly as an ILLUSTRATION was lacking great detail, i.e. What was the wattage and distance of the light source? How thick is the glass? How much heat is being conducted along the tube into the container? Exactly how big is the opening where the tube is entering? Is any heat from the lamp entering the opening where the tube is entering?>>>
DMH: Ah! So you ADMIT that you don’t know exactly what experiment was done! You’ve offered to take a bet that if the experiment was replicated, it would show the results depicted in the video. Now you admit you don’t really have a clue what the experiment was, and so you propose a NEW experiment instead.
QUESTION: I asked if Anthony’s replication of the experiment would suffice and you have not answered yes or no. Its only a one word answer R. Gates, you can do more than that even with an iPAd. Yes? or No?
R. Gates;
So we should be able to agree on these and then proceed, right? The bottom line will be: does the addition of CO2 to one of two reasonably similar container cause the temperature in that container to rise? >>>
DMH: No R. Gates, that was not the bet proposed. The bet proposed was that the experiment done properly would not show the results illustrated in the video. Not the order of magnitude, not the rapidity with which temperature supposedly changed, and so on. I said that the experiment done properly would not show the results in the video, and now you are trying to propose results that are DIFFERENT from what was shown in the video.
QUESTION: Are you going to stand up to your own word and take the bet that I proposed (and which you immediately said you would take)? Or not? Are you going to accept Anthony’s results and methodology? Or not?

September 30, 2011 10:19 am

Wilson Flood says:
September 29, 2011 at 5:22 am
Al Gore is in Scotland at the moment and praising us for how we are leading the world in green energy. We should be happy that the countryside is covered in wind turbines? Alex Salmond (First Minister) is puffed up like a bullfrog. Should we in haggisland be worried about this? Praise from Al Gore is surely never good.

You in haggisland should be reserving passage on the emigration boats. What your government is doing to your economy and energy supplies is going to pauperize the country. Decades of living off the largess of the North Sea has brain-wiped your governing elite of all the lessons of Scots history.
Ironically, the only thing that can possibly save you is frak gas. The huge fields found in England are probably matched or exceeded by North Sea near-shore or offshore fields. But that salvation will only occur after some vicious lessons at the hand of Reality.

September 30, 2011 10:27 am

Geoff Sherrington;
you can refer to posts with actual links, like this: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/09/28/video-analysis-and-scene-replication-suggests-that-al-gores-climate-reality-project-fabricated-their-climate-101-video-simple-experiment/#comment-755607
The date field under each poster name is a live URL.
Makes it much easier than scrolling or Ctrl-F searching to see a referenced post.
Thanks for that summary at It’s Faked . Just to make it perfectly clear, there aren’t even two separate photos of one thermometer. It’s one photo with the climbing temp Photoshopped in.

Glenn
September 30, 2011 10:29 am

mfreer says:
September 30, 2011 at 6:11 am
I agree with you that this “experiment” does not reflect reality, but you claim that it
“summarizes the setup and results of a well known and documented scientific experiment.”
If that is true, and you are aware that it is documented, you wouldn’t mind providing a reference to this well known experiment with closed glass jars and infrared lighting, right? Pick one reference that includes supported explanations for why this experiment shows that CO2 to be a gas that absorbs and re-emits heat.
I’m sure that posters here, with varying levels of understanding, would really like to see this documentation. I know I would, since it appears there are some factors that I am unsure of, such as the density, specific heat, of the two gases that may be factors in the outcome. At first glance, my main concern is whether CO2, acknowledging that as a gas it does absorb and reemit infrared, can actually cause a greater rise in kinetic energy than air in closed glass jars. Perhaps CO2 creates heat? Or air conducts heat through glass better than CO2?

glacierman
September 30, 2011 10:32 am

B.Klein says:
September 30, 2011 at 9:53 am
“The experiment shown in the Climate 101 fake video and the British heating of a gas in a bottle are example of “Confined space heating” aka The typical greenhouse effect- NOT THE Greenhouse Gas effect.”
On the nose!

Vince Causey
September 30, 2011 10:48 am

This sure brought out the warmists – sorry, AGW proponents – to defend the Goreacle. Gotta love it.
Outstanding work Anthony. I thought I was reading a Sherlock Holmes plot!

Glenn
September 30, 2011 10:50 am

davidmhoffer says:
September 30, 2011 at 10:14 am
R. Gates;
you needed to add vinegar instead. Try again>>>
“R. Gates gets a science fact right! I’ll mark it on my calendar! In the meantime, I see you ignored my last comment about the wager you agreed to take. I shall post it again now as perhaps you missed it by accident?”
Baking soda and vinegar actually creates CO2 and water vapor, which is the most potent greenhouse gas.
I’m not sure what this experiment would actually demonstrate. But I would be most interested in seeing the results shown on a time scale, to include temperatures after the lamps were turned off. Wouldn’t it be interesting if the CO2 jar did go to a higher temp while the lamps were on, but drop in temperature quicker than air after the lamps were turned off? Or that the CO2 jar did increase in temperature over air but only for the first few minutes, with air then exceeding the temp in the CO2 jar?
Controls are really needed as well, IMO. At least the experiment should be performed twice, with everything the same except to swap the jars out. Surely heating gas rises, and those jars and lids are not built to a high specification.

Johnnythelowery
September 30, 2011 10:50 am

Anthony— Don’t forget to weed the garden. It works best if you pull them up by the roots as they won’t come back. There is a difference between intelligence and belligerence. Please.

kramer
September 30, 2011 11:05 am

This replication caught the attention of George Soros.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201109300006

NetDr
September 30, 2011 11:17 am

Glenn says:
Baking soda and vinegar actually creates CO2 and water vapor, which is the most potent greenhouse gas.
**********
Good point. The CO2 gas should be dried before use.
Even with the water vapor the warming effect is not measurable with this experiment if the vessel isn’t sealed..
The cooling rate with CO2 would be interesting because in the case of the earth CO2 supposedly interferes with the cooling of the earth.
It is like bringing a pan to a temperature below boiling.
Without changing the heat add a lid to the pan and it will get hotter.
The mechanism is the same. The CO2 supposedly interferes with the pan’s dissipation of heat.
I think that [cooling] experiment would be more germane.
Someone suggested it earlier and I didn’t pay much attention but it was a great post.

September 30, 2011 11:37 am

NetDr says:
September 29, 2011 at 7:24 am
I am willing to concede that CO2 causes some heating due to absorption and re-emission of long wave radiation. The British Royal society estimates it is .4 ° C for a doubling of CO2 [open loop].
The bodies are buried in the feedbacks which appear to be negative and reduce this already small amount of warming.
The other leg of my objection to the climate alarmists is the “fixes” are more damaging than what is being fixed. Not only that, but even if you believed that CO2 was harmful, massive taxes would drive jobs overseas and actually increase CO2 worldwide emissions.
The “fix” doesn’t fix anything.
In my opinion mitigation is all that should be done and even that should be done at the last minute because it may never be necessary.
The worst part is that CO2 hysteria prevents the USA from being energy independent by development of coal, natural gas, and shale oil which we have in abundance. There is no reason we should be dependent upon the middle east and it is dangerous to us.

I agree with everything, except that you have your terminology inverted. “Mitigation” is buzz-word-ese for “Reduction of CO2 to Save Us All”. “Adaptation” is the opposing option, which basically just means deal with the consequences of whatever comes, as we inevitably must; the best way to do that is to maximize wealth and flexibility in advance and monitor the situation. Then respond as efficiently as possible to warming or cooling consequences in the real world.
Even Nordhaus, a very toasty lukewarmist, found his cost-benefit models extrapolate about a $17 trillion advantage to Adaptation over the stupidest of the “mitigation” plans, which are those advocated by the likes of Gore and Stern.

September 30, 2011 11:49 am

Note re the above Nordhaus cost-benefit models: they take the negative consequences of warming for granted; i.e., they include the “costs” of all the imaginary horrors that the Warmistas conjure up. Since none of them will actually occur, the (1 century) extrapolations are heavily mitigation-biased — and they still reject massive mitigation. It should be noted that his “preferred” option is a carbon tax, which he fantasizes will be cost-neutral, merely redirecting economic effort into the benign uplands of renewable energy. Which exist only in Cloud La-La-Land.
He notes that he used 1 century cutoffs because the models stabalized after that point; all the net costs and benefits had worked their way through by then.

September 30, 2011 11:51 am

typo: stabilized, not stabalized.

September 30, 2011 11:55 am

kim;) says:
September 30, 2011 at 6:25 am
Which one will cool faster?
The specific heat of CO2 is .844 J/g C so it would cool faster for the same mass.

NetDr
September 30, 2011 12:37 pm

Mkelly
Since the effect of CO2 is supposedly to slow the flow of heat from the planet isn’t the “Thermal Conductivity” the parameter which tells how much effect it would have ?
-100 C air has .0204 W/MK and CO2 has MORE CONDUCTIVITY .086 W/MK
I must be making a mistake, how can the greenhouse effect work if that is true ?

mfreer
September 30, 2011 12:46 pm

Glenn says:
September 30, 2011 at 10:29 am
If that is true, and you are aware that it is documented, you wouldn’t mind providing a reference to this well known experiment with closed glass jars and infrared lighting, right? Pick one reference that includes supported explanations for why this experiment shows that CO2 to be a gas that absorbs and re-emits heat.

Well you could go back to the original work by John Tyndall in 1873 demonstrating that CO2 absorbs radiant heat (see http://www.archive.org/details/contributionsto00tyndgoog). Since that time, the experiment to show that pure CO2 is more sensitive to infrared radiation than air has been repeated many times – see here for example: http://www.espere.net/Unitedkingdom/water/uk_watexpgreenhouse.htm

September 30, 2011 1:18 pm

Grammarnasty/

DR says:
September 28, 2011 at 12:13 pm

I find it incredulous the “greenhouse in a bottle” experiment is used as an approved educational tool for children when it is a complete fraud, but you failed to comment on the OP.

You may be incredulous; the abuse of the tool observation is indeed incredible. But only persons can be incredulous.
/Grammarnasty
“Noble Cause Corruption”
The Warmista/Progressive/Leftist mental circle-jrrk proceeds by claiming exclusive rights to define what is “noble”, and then immediately proceeds to self-corrupt “absolutely”. There are no white lies, damned lies, or abuses which are then out-of-bounds. It’s all for our own good, you see …

September 30, 2011 2:00 pm

wobble says:
September 30, 2011 at 9:19 am
mfreer says:
September 30, 2011 at 6:11 am
As I think others have pointed out, how is this any different from cooking shows?

Cooking shows actually cook the food they claim they’re cooking.
This video is like a cooking show which fakes the actual cooking while telling the audience the WRONG way to cook something.

Perhaps, but don’t most cooking shows allow folks to write in for the actual recipe or get it from their website?
Do Gore/CRP provide the exact instructions for the “simple experiment” somewhere on their site?
In any case, they should have stated/shown “this is a dramatization” (or similar) on the video and offered a method for obtaining the exact instructions for conducting the experiment.

Glenn
September 30, 2011 2:17 pm

mfreer says:
September 30, 2011 at 12:46 pm
You said “I have no problem with Gore et al’s video because it is summarizes the setup and results of a well known and documented scientific experiment. Likewise, I would have no issues if you or anyone else were to make a video summarizing a well known experiment, no matter how shoddily or randomly the video was edited.”
So I’ll ask you one more time, Bud. What well known and documented experiment used the setup and results of Bill Nye’s “experiment”, and where’s your reference to it? Neither of your two cites use the same setup or results, so can not be seen as *a well known and documented scientific experiment* that uses the same setup or results.

NetDr
September 30, 2011 3:17 pm

I believe in slight AGW but not CAGW.
I believe that CO2 absorbs IR and causes slight warming.
I also believe it is too little to be observed in the 101 experiment.
The theoretical warming from CO2 is only .4 ° C for a doubling and negative feedbacks reduce even this pitiful amount .
Disrupting civilization with massive CO2 taxes will only scare job overseas and INCREASE CO2 emission worldwide. Mitigation is thousands of times less expensive and has side benefits.
Since the USA has hundreds of years of coal and natural gas and tar sands not using them is criminal and foolish. Depending upon the middle east is dangerous and not necessary unless the CAGW nonsense is believed.

Myrrh
September 30, 2011 4:49 pm

George E. Smith; says:
September 29, 2011 at 11:41 pm
“”””” Myrrh says:
September 29, 2011 at 5:56 pm
…………………………………………………
You can of course continue to spout nonsense about this, but all it shows is that you don’t know the difference between light and heat energies from the Sun. Light energies do not have the power to move whole molecules into vibrational/rotational resonance. “””””
Well Myrrh, I’m just going to guess that for you English is a second language, and move on.
Nowhere in my original post, did I say anything about glass or plastics, as to their transmission (or not) of electromagnetic radiation. So what was all that guff about industrial uses of infra-red, and transmission.

I put it in for interest, as another example of AGW memes conflicting with traditional science. The ‘infrared is blocked by glass, therefore it is visible light heating the interior of a car..’ etc. nonsense.
Actually, one of the most common reasons that “glass” can be a poor transmitter of infra-red radiation around 1 micron, is because most common glasses contain trace amounts of water, so most such glasses have strong absorption in the 0.9 to 1.0 micron range.
And as for getting “light” or “heat” from the sun; actually we get neither “light” nor “heat” from the sun. But I will admit, that in your latest effort, you did say “light and heat energies” .

You’all do so get your knickers in a twist about heat. AGWScience has a lot to answer for.. But anyway, as long as you believe that shortwave visible heats the land and oceans as per the Kiehl Trenberth nonsense of energy budget, I can understand that you’all will stay utterly confused about it since everything you then come across has to fit in with that science fiction meme. What y’all are singularly failing to do, is to listen to what I’m saying. I’m trying to tell you that what has been passing for ‘physics’ about this for the last couple of decades is a novelty, created and put into place by those who began exploiting AGW. You cannot ‘get’ what I’m saying until you have the technique of not letting what you think about it interfere, put it to one side just for a moment. All I can say, again, is that I am presenting you with the physics of it as it was taught pre this interference, and is still taught by those teaching traditional physics. And, I have given you enough examples of the real world’s industries which work because they understand the real physics, practically, hands on, as well as the mechanism for understanding the difference in energies re visible and thermal ir, electronic transitions v rotational vibration of atoms and molecules.
Let me put it this way. You cannot show how, the mechanism, or prove practically, that Blue visible Light can heat oceans and land. Until you can, and I have shown why it can’t and doesn’t, your claims are unsupported by physical reality. Why won’t you deal with this request? What’s the problem? Why is this so difficult for you to produce? You, generic. I’ve asked.. Hasn’t AGW Science Fiction Inc come up with an ‘experiment’ to prove it…?
So here, a description from traditional physics on what heat is. You can believe it is not a noun, naming an entity in its own right, but that is simply peverse. You cannot possibly read anything written pre AGWScience Fiction Inc’s interference and know what they are talking about. You cannot put traditional physics use of this word through the prism of your now ubiquitous view of what heat is. I no longer care whether you’ll ever understand what I’m saying, but the least you can do is bear in mind that what I am presenting as traditional physics, exists. It is still taught. So if you want to argue against it, then you must deal with the fact that it exists and has been taught for many decades prior to AGW coming into our lives. And, it is internally coherent. When you manage to shine blue visible light onto a bowl of water and get it hot enough to rinse out your undies, you can claim that you are giving us real world physics. Until then, and for any who haven’t looked into this aspect of the fake energy budget from AGWScience Fiction and are interested:

http://thermalenergy.org/
What is thermal energy ?
Thermal Energy: A specialized term that refers to the part of the internal energy of a system which is the total present kinetic energy resulting from the random movements of atoms and molecules.
The ultimate source of thermal energy available to mankind is the sun, the huge thermo-nuclear furnace that supplies the earth with the heat and light that are essential to life. The nuclear fusion in the sun increases the sun’s thermal energy. Once the thermal energy leaves the sun (in the form of radiation) it is called heat. Heat is thermal energy in transfer. Thermal energy is part of the overall internal energy of a system.
At a more basic level, thermal energy comes from the movement of atoms and molecules in matter. It is a form of kinetic energy produced from the random movements of those molecules. Thermal energy of a system can be increased or decreased.
When you put your hand over a hot stove you can feel the heat. You are feeling thermal energy in transfer. The atoms and molecules in the metal of the burner are moving very rapidly because the electrical energy from the wall outlet has increased the thermal energy in the burner. We all know what happens when we rub our hands together. Our mechanical energy increases the thermal energy content of the atoms in our hands and skin. We then feel the consequence of this – heat. Laws of Thermodynamics [link]

Italics in the original. The heat is in transfer whether you can feel it or not. It doesn’t come into existence because you feel it.., you’re not creating it ‘out of electromagnetic energy’, it already exists.
It is thermal energy in transfer, thermal infrared is heat on the move. Light is not heat.
This is the thermal energy of the Sun which creates the visible light, which is a product of the great thermal energy of the Sun. What does thermal mean?

http://thermalenergy.org/heattransfer.php
Thermal energy and heat are often confused. Rightly so because they are physically the same thing. Heat is always the thermal energy of some system. Using the word heat helps physicists to make a distinction relative to the system they are talking about.</blockquote
Only AGW science fiction has a problem with this..
As I’ve said before: Until traditional physics re Heat and Light energies from the Sun is falsified, all these arguments are based solely on AGW bullfiction.
You can’t have thermal infrared only in upwelling from Earth warming the atmosphere while excluding it in the downwelling direct from the Sun. That’s just nonsense. We can feel the heat from the Sun, we know it reaches us, we know, in traditional physics, that it is this which heats the Earth, how is it not heating ‘the greenhouses gases’ on the way down to Earth?? Are all the molecules of water liquid and gas and carbon dioxide holding parasols against it?
You can’t have any relationship to Light energies from the Sun heating the Earth’s oceans and land
to produce the amount of thermal infrared upwelling claimed, until you can prove that Light energies actually do this. The Sun is not a laser. The claim that visible light heats organic matter is not traditional physics. You are claiming something different, you have to prove you are right. You can’t prove you are right by simply excising traditional physics from the school curriculum..
Which is what AGW Science Fiction Inc has managed to do. A whole generation who think visible light is a thermal energy..
Until you can prove that Light is now Heat as AGW Science Fiction teaches, then you have no logical reason to continue promoting that it is shortwave light which heats Earth’s land and oceans.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/07/28/spencer-and-braswell-on-slashdot/#comment-711886
Richard – thankyou for posting that link to the NASA site which shows clearly that it has now stopped teaching traditional well-known and understood differences between Light and Heat energies from the Sun and replacing it with AGWScience fiction memes. This corruption of basic science is deliberate and systematic – dumbing down science education for the masses.
etc. [comparison of an old NASA page teaching traditional physics with a new page contradicting it.]

Oh, and re the ‘experiment’ here – the crisp white coat representing ‘the trusted scientist’ – to give it ‘credibility’ as a real experiment.

davidmhoffer
September 30, 2011 6:43 pm

Myrrh;
It is thermal energy in transfer, thermal infrared is heat on the move. Light is not heat.>>>
Anthony,
You banned someone as I recall for hijackiong threads with claims regarding an “iron sun”.
Is that less plausible than Myrrh’s total and complete nonsense? At least the iron sun guy was entertaining.

Glenn
September 30, 2011 6:48 pm

kramer says:
September 30, 2011 at 11:05 am
This replication caught the attention of George Soros.
The blogger being quite dishonest about the facts. Its just one more example of many alarmist’s attitudes that the ends justify the means. No need to give them traffic.

davidmhoffer
September 30, 2011 8:53 pm

R. Gates;
Look, I’m on limited Internet access right now away from my home on my iPad, but when I get back home Friday night and run through this blog in a bit more detail and make a comprehensive response.>>>
DMH: I thought it was a simple experiment? Suddenly you need detail and time to consider things?
R. Gates;
I am more than willing to follow through on this, and we can even do it together as a group after or before a certain November meeting that some may be attending.>>>
DMH: What has a meeting in November that some people may be attending have to do with it?
R. Gates;
It is now late Friday evening, you’ve responded to other commentors in this thread, but as to the wager you promised to make with me, you have yet to reply as you indicated that you would. I’m posting the question I raised once again. Respond here… or don’t. Might as well be here though… because if you show up in another thread, I’ll be asking you to make your bet good there too…
R. Gates;
The basic details of this experiment are quite simple and have been repeated in high school physics classes hundreds of times if not thousands.>>>
DMH: I repeat: What are the details of the experiment which was illustrated? I offered to bet that if the experiment was repeated, it would not show the results depicted in the video. You offered to take the bet. Are you welching? Why are you trying to define the experiment instead of stepping up to the bet I proposed, which is that the experiment illustrated would not show the results illustrated? I repeat: What experiment was illustrated?
R. Gates;
We can specify every little detail in advance, exact containers, type and wattage of light, etc. The so-called Gore experiment was only illustrative of a general experiment, with the point being that anyone could do it themselves, and certainly as an ILLUSTRATION was lacking great detail, i.e. What was the wattage and distance of the light source? How thick is the glass? How much heat is being conducted along the tube into the container? Exactly how big is the opening where the tube is entering? Is any heat from the lamp entering the opening where the tube is entering?>>>
DMH: Ah! So you ADMIT that you don’t know exactly what experiment was done! You’ve offered to take a bet that if the experiment was replicated, it would show the results depicted in the video. Now you admit you don’t really have a clue what the experiment was, and so you propose a NEW experiment instead.
QUESTION: I asked if Anthony’s replication of the experiment would suffice and you have not answered yes or no. Its only a one word answer R. Gates, you can do more than that even with an iPAd. Yes? or No?
R. Gates;
So we should be able to agree on these and then proceed, right? The bottom line will be: does the addition of CO2 to one of two reasonably similar container cause the temperature in that container to rise? >>>
DMH: No R. Gates, that was not the bet proposed. The bet proposed was that the experiment done properly would not show the results illustrated in the video. Not the order of magnitude, not the rapidity with which temperature supposedly changed, and so on. I said that the experiment done properly would not show the results in the video, and now you are trying to propose results that are DIFFERENT from what was shown in the video.
QUESTION: Are you going to stand up to your own word and take the bet that I proposed (and which you immediately said you would take)? Or not? Are you going to accept Anthony’s results and methodology? Or not?

R. Gates
September 30, 2011 9:36 pm

Okay, back in town now, so let’s get back to this post, which was toward the beginning of the proposed wager:
davidmhoffer says:
September 29, 2011 at 7:21 pm
R. Gates;
I’d wager the experiment would actually work pretty much as illustrated. How much would you like to bet?>>>
Really? Let’s get the terms and conditions set out then. Could you please define exactly what experiment was illustrated and how we’ll judge if it was replicated or not?
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The key word here in the wager is the term “illustrated”, as it should be obvious that this was not an actual experiment, but only an illustration of one that someone could conduct at home, and so you asked what it was intending to illustrate.
Here’s the core of what it was attempting to illustrate:
CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas and will create a higher temperature when added to a system as compared to a reasonably identical system receiving a reasonably identical amount of energy input but without the additional CO2.
Anthony did a great job of trying to replicate the illustration (whereby he proved that it was indeed an illustration), but did he actually run the experiment?
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