UPDATE: Allison Rogers, Miss Rhode Island 2006, responds below
UPDATE2: Paul Higgins, who also appears in the video, responds in comments here 2011/09/20 at 6:31 am
Because, well, Miss Florida wasn’t available.
Our friend Ecotretas writes: It is rising…
Climate Reality has had some good moments. Like the moment below, where Paul Higgins, Associate Director of the American Meteorological Society Policy Program tries to answer some pretty easy questions. The first one is how much has the sea level risen in the past 50 years? And how much is it expected to rise in the next 50 years? Easy to get the numbers, as it has risen about 17 cm in the 20th century, so a good reply would be half of that, or about 8.5 cm. And if it is rising at 3 mm/year now, and it is not accelerating, it would rise 15 cm in the next 50 years, less than half a foot…
Higgins didn’t have a clue, but suggested that in the next 50 years it would be in the neighborhood of less than half a meter. Gosh, when scientists don’t have a clue, then the priests just jump in. Meet Allison Rogers, former Executive Director from Green the Capitol. Who is this cute girl, I thought? Well, like she was presented before, she has a degree in Religion and was Miss Rhode Island 2006! These beautiful girls just say whatever they hear, and for her, the sea level can go up 39 feet, well you know because all that ice from Greenland and Antarctica could just melt…
There were more questions. Higgins still didn’t know… We just can’t emit more CO2. You just have to see the video to get an idea how good this Climate Reality was… If you cannot see it below, or want a better quality, just go here, and fast-forward till 52:53
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Allison Rogers, Miss Rhode Island 2006, responds in comments:
Anthony,
The source for the 39 feet reference in my response is here:
“World on the Edge” – Author: Lester Brown, 2011. See page 75.
“How far might the sea level rise? Rob Young and Orrin Pilkey note in ‘The Rising Sea’ that planning panels in Rhode Island and Miami assume a minimum rise of 3.5 feet by 2100. A California planning study uses a 4.6-foot rise by century’s end. The Dutch, for their coastal planning purposes, are assuming a 2.5-foot rise for 2050.
If the Greenland ice sheet, which is well over a mile thick in places, were to melt completely, sea level would rise 23 feet. And if the West Antarctic ice sheet were to break up entirely, sea level would rise 16 feet. Together, the melting of these two ice sheets, which scientists believe to be the most vulnerable, would raise sea level 39 feet. And this does not include thermal expansion as ocean water warms, an important contributor to sea level rise.”
– Allison Rogers
Nuke Nemesis says:
September 15, 2011 at 1:14 pm
I’m worried global warming will cause Rhode Island to float away, and eventually, inevitably capsize. With those darn Tea Partiers having such a stranglehold on the budget, who would pay for the cleanup?
Well, the Dhimmicrats have already been worrying that the military might cause Guam to capsize so they should be on top of the cleanup bit already!!
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001567-503544.html
The only thing that was abundantly clear from watching that clip, was that Ms. RI was batting her eyes at him, relentlessly,while he was making a fool of himself.
When she was talking she kept looking back at him, to check if she had properly scraped him up off the floor he nose-dived into.
Love bites: He didn’t do his homework and was a dimwit, while she was quick with the evasive answer (political sidestep). He might even be dull enough to not notice her fawning attention.
There certainly wasn’t an ounce of climate reality anywhere in that room.
PaulH says:September 15, 2011 at 1:44 pm “Sorry, but I have to link to this… ;->”
Ha Ha. Thanks so much for that gift!
I really wanted to make a crack about the “ortho-doxy” … but it’s uncharitable to mock the afflicted.
Some discussion. Four bimboes and a bloke who didn’t know any data. I am now scared.
@Russell C
Time to play “Are you Smarter than a Beauty Queen?”
The fact is “Rhode Island” is connected to the mainland, aka the “Providence Plantations,” by bridges.
Thanks for playing.
The good news is that neither the Ile of Rode, an early US colony founded by a woman, nor the Providence Plantations, founded by Roger Williams, appear to be at risk of flooding due to sea level rise.
I have to say that some of the clips and comments that I have seen/read here are so funny that this could have the makings of a new comedy series, classic stuff. But it’s scary that some people actually believe that these people know what they are talking about. At least they could pretend to know something, and say something sensible and look confident – it’s incredible.
Centimeters, millimeters are the same as feet and inches aren’t they?
‘”..an early colony that later joined with the Providence Plantations to form Rhode Island, the first colony to declare independence,” is a bit more accurate.
I watched the first 2 minutes and lost the will to live … I decided to kill the video before it killed me! The trouble is, of course, that the questions were excellent but to answer them truthfully would have been extremely embarassing. A sealevel rise of 15 cm (6 inches in US units – 1.5 times the width of your hand) in 50 years is not exactly world-shattering.
Seriously, what twaddle! This is the best that Al (call me Vice President, even though I’m not) can come up with??? Mind you, it is hardly surprising when Al thinks the Arctic will be ice-free in what is now well under 5 years.
I think you guys are confusing a gong with a bong. The Gong Show went off the air years ago, but had similar entertainment and educational value.
Well, there is more from Miss Rogers. What can come closer to a Climate Change Priestess? Please check out at http://ecotretas.blogspot.com/2011/09/climate-reality-religion.html
or see the video directly below:
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v237pSmbVU8&w=384&h=246]
Anthony,
The source for the 39 feet reference in my response is here:
“World on Edge” – Author: Lester Brown, 2011. See page 75.
“How far might the sea level rise? Rob Young and Orrin Pilkey note in ‘The Rising Sea’ that planning panels in Rhode Island and Miami assume a minimum rise of 3.5 feet by 2100. A California planning study uses a 4.6-foot rise by century’s end. The Dutch, for their coastal planning purposes, are assuming a 2.5-foot rise for 2050.
If the Greenland ice sheet, which is well over a mile thick in places, were to melt completely, sea level would rise 23 feet. And if the West Antarctic ice sheet were to break up entirely, sea level would rise 16 feet. Together, the melting of these two ice sheets, which scientists believe to be the most vulnerable, would raise sea level 39 feet. And this does not include thermal expansion as ocean water warms, an important contributor to sea level rise.”
– Allison Rogers
Anthony,
The source for the 39 feet reference in my response is here:
“World on the Edge” – Author: Lester Brown, 2011. See page 75.
“How far might the sea level rise? Rob Young and Orrin Pilkey note in ‘The Rising Sea’ that planning panels in Rhode Island and Miami assume a minimum rise of 3.5 feet by 2100. A California planning study uses a 4.6-foot rise by century’s end. The Dutch, for their coastal planning purposes, are assuming a 2.5-foot rise for 2050.
If the Greenland ice sheet, which is well over a mile thick in places, were to melt completely, sea level would rise 23 feet. And if the West Antarctic ice sheet were to break up entirely, sea level would rise 16 feet. Together, the melting of these two ice sheets, which scientists believe to be the most vulnerable, would raise sea level 39 feet. And this does not include thermal expansion as ocean water warms, an important contributor to sea level rise.”
– Allison Rogers
“How much will sea levels rise in the next 50 years?”
“Ah-uhhh, I don’t, uh, exactly have those figures at my fingertips.”, over the next 50 years, ah-uhh, I think it’s in the neighborhood of, ahh-uh, less than half a meter, uhh – please, other panelists?” Bwonggg!! Incredibly poor performance, and wrong answer. Bimbo to the rescue, though. The “correct” answer is 39 feet.
Well, actually, the scientifically correct answer would be that there is no reason to believe sea levels will rise any faster than they have been the last few hundred years, which is about 4-6 inches per century, meaning roughly 2-3 inches in the next half-century.
“Let’s not get bogged down in metrics”. Right, because with ideology, facts don’t matter, and are made-up anyway.
“At what rate of pollution can the earth NOT recover from the damage we are causing?”
Talk about a loaded question! He pretty neatly sidesteps the question, though, saying “the short answer is we don’t know, but blah-blah”. Bwonggg! The “correct” answer is, of course, 350 ppm, which has been “scientifically determined” by Hansen et al to be the “safe” limit for the Earth.
Yea Frank I’m with you. Old stoner from the 70’s. I use my bong so I can laugh at this alarmist tripe. I’ve always been an environmentalist; always recycled whenever I could. I pick up other’s garbage at the beach. I think the Brazilian rainforest should be protected. Whales, seals and yes, polar bears must retain there habitats.
I believe all this should happen through capitalistic solutions. I have observed that wealthier countries are able to protect their ecologies. So with the consumption of fossil fuels, economies grow and wealth increases, hence efforts in ecology increase.
When I first heard the doomsday horsepoop from Gore and his ilk, I new it was a con job, I just new it. So I went searching for other skeptics and found many. Now I’m a “Wattsupper” . I’ll burn one and relish each debunk. I especially like it when the “warmistas” (love that euphamism) stick their foot in their mouths. Incidences of which continue to increase.
ZEPPELIN RULES!
I Know how to spell knew. I just blew it. Yes, you all can blame the bong.
If you knew what the new gnu knew, you’ld be alright.
Do you guys have the whole 24 hours? I was working and only caught a little. But it seems like there was a guy from Brazil telling the audience you just have to put your trust in the scientists and your faith will bring about a carbon free future with no more storms, no more droughts, no suffering. Not sure if he said no more earthquakes be seems like there was an image of an earthquake. But it was totally like a religion. Just have faith and we will have heaven on earth. A world with no more suffering. It was golden! Or so it appeared from my distracted memory.
Absolutely priceless, “the short answer is, we don’t know.”
Allow me to add, the long answer is the same.
Yes, Ms. Rogers, and 15,000 years ago 2 miles of ice sat on top of New York. 5 billion years from now or so the Sun will explode. Unless you put some kind of rational timescale on these things, the numbers are nothing but amusing bits of trivia with no direct relevance to anything.
that’s the important bit that apparently no one ever told you.
wws beat me to it! Ms. Rogers apparently didn’t ask for the time quanta and/or energy transfer rates required to melt said ice. Perhaps she is not familiar with the concept of the latent heat of fusion, i.e. the energy required to melt a solid even though its temperature remains constant (see also the similar latent heat of vaporization.) I don’t have time to do the arithmetic (others have done it here before) but as I recall, the time scale had an order of magnitude in the 1000-10 000 year range.
It’s like a scene from Mad Men
Well at least Miss RI HAD and answer, even if misleading. The “scientist” did too – but watch his body language and stammering – clearly a case of severe cognitive dissonance. Too bad we couldn’t see the sweat running down his face as he told what he absolutely knew to be bald-faced lies.
Maybe he was terrified that if he uttered the truth, the Denier Detector would be set off and Gore Almighty would hurl down a thunderbolt to strike him dead on the spot – now that would have been great television!
Fascinating. Miss Rhode Island Allison Rogers’ comment update here refers to Orrin Pilkey’s ‘The Rising Sea’ book. Pilkey just put out another book a couple of months ago which regurgitates the same old accusation that skeptic scientists are corrupt – he sources his information about old coal industry memos from Naomi Oreskes, but those SAME words are seen in Al Gore’s 1992 book…. yet Al Gore says elsewhere that anti-skeptic book author Ross Gelbspan discovered the memos, while Oreskes ultimately sources her info about them from Gelbspan, whose own first-time mention of them appears to be in late 1995 – as I detailed in my article “The Great Global Warming Ponzi Scheme – how the mainstream media keeps it alive” http://www.redstate.com/russellc/2011/08/17/the-great-global-warming-ponzi-scheme-how-the-mainstream-media-keeps-it-alive/
Forget the proverbial ‘six degrees of separation’, it always seems like Ross Gelbspan is only a few degrees separated from any given discussion of AGW.
Did any of you guys ever consider that Al Gore’s new ocean-front condo may be on the upper floors? Maybe it’s like, you know, at least 40 feet above sea level?