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Tackling mysteries about carbon, possible oil formation and more deep inside Earth
DENVER, Aug. 28, 2011 — How do diamonds the size of potatoes shoot up at 40 miles per hour from their birthplace 100 miles below Earth’s surface? Does a secret realm of life exist inside the Earth? Is there more oil and natural gas than anyone dreams, with oil forming not from the remains of ancient fossilized plants and animals near the surface, but naturally deep, deep down there? Can the greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide, be transformed into a pure solid mineral?
Those are among the mysteries being tackled in a real-life version of the science fiction classic, A Journey to the Center of the Earth, that was among the topics of a presentation here today at the 242nd National Meeting & Exposition of the American Chemical Society (ACS). Russell Hemley, Ph.D., said that hundreds of scientists will work together on an international project, called the Deep Carbon Observatory (DCO), to probe the chemical element that’s in the news more often than perhaps any other. That’s carbon as in carbon dioxide.
“Concerns about climate change have made millions of people aware of carbon’s role on the surface of the Earth, in the atmosphere and in the oceans,” Hemley said. “The Deep Carbon Observatory will uncover critical information about the movement and fate of carbon hundreds and thousands of miles below Earth’s surface. We call that the deep carbon cycle.”
Hemley said this basic research could have practical implications in the future. Using laboratory equipment that reproduces pressures deep within the Earth, which are thousands to millions of times higher than on the surface, scientists in these labs have discovered a way to convert carbon dioxide into a rock-like material called polymeric carbon dioxide. With further refinements, scientists could enhance its stability closer to the Earth’s surface.
The findings also may lead to new materials for commercial and industrial products. Hemley’s laboratory, for instance, has developed a way to produce “super” diamonds, or high-quality diamonds that are bigger and better than existing ones. Natural diamonds form slowly under the high-pressure, high-temperature conditions that exist deep within the Earth, while today’s synthetic diamonds form under similar conditions in the laboratory. Using a process called chemical vapor deposition, Hemley’s research group made diamonds rapidly and at low pressure. The new diamonds have superior qualities, including extreme hardness, improved transparency and better electrical and temperature properties. The diamonds could lead to improved computer chips that run faster and generate less heat than existing silicon chips, Hemley said. They also show promise for use in advanced cutting-tools, more durable and heat-resistant windows for spacecraft and other applications, he noted.
The DCO project will probe the big mystery about the formation of natural diamonds, including their chemical composition and how they shoot up quickly from deep within the Earth. Scientists can’t directly observe that process at present, as there’s no practical way to travel down 100 miles beneath the surface of the planet. Observations are limited to laboratory simulations of this process for now, said Hemley, who is director of the Geophysical Laboratory at the Carnegie Institution of Washington in Washington, D.C. His laboratory specializes in the chemistry and physics of materials under extreme conditions. Hemley’s presentation at the ACS meeting, entitled “Chemistry of Planetary Gases, Liquids, and Ices in Extreme Environments,” focused on what happens to planetary material under conditions of extreme pressure and temperature, as well as other insights relevant to Earth.
Another area that the DCO will explore is energy. The extent to which hydrocarbons in the Earth form from inorganic processes deep within the Earth rather than only from the fossilized remains of plants and animals remains an important unanswered question. Exploring the nature of carbon deep within the Earth may provide clues on how and to what extent this abiotic process might contribute to energy reserves, Hemley said.
Finally, DCO research has implications in the search for other life forms on Earth and even outer space. Scientists have already identified microbes at about a mile or so deep within the Earth under high temperatures. They suspect that some forms may exist at even deeper levels.
Past studies suggest that bacteria and other life forms can’t survive beyond several thousand atmospheres of pressure. But new studies by scientists in Hemley’s lab show that some bacteria are capable of surviving pressures of up to 20,000 atmospheres. That supports the theory that life might exist in extreme extraterrestrial environments, Hemley noted.
Funding sources for these studies include The Carnegie Institute of Washington, the National Science Foundation, the U.S. Department of Energy, and the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation.
The American Chemical Society is a non-profit organization chartered by the U.S. Congress. With more than 163,000 members, ACS is the world’s largest scientific society and a global leader in providing access to chemistry-related research through its multiple databases, peer-reviewed journals and scientific conferences. Its main offices are in Washington, D.C., and Columbus, Ohio.
ABSTRACT:
Recent experiments are providing unprecedented insight into the chemistry of planetary materials over a broad range of the conditions, from ambient pressures to several multimegabars and cryogenic temperatures to several thousand degrees. Studies of hydrogen, the most abundant element, reveal new phenomena at high P-T conditions where new chemistry emerges. Related but characteristically distinct behavior is observed in heavier simple diatomics and other planetary volatiles. New phases and chemistry of H2O, CH4, and other planetary ices have been discovered, and the high P-T stability fields of CO2, including melting relations of the polymeric forms, have been documented. Studies of carbon-based materials more broadly are addressing outstanding questions such as the abundance of carbon within our planet, the depth and nature of the deep biosphere, and the implications of the deep carbon cycle for energy and the environment.
This topic was covered a decade ago by Thomas Gold’s book “The Deep Hot Biosphere”, which covers oil & coal as deep bacterial byproducts of methane, the de-bunking of “fossil” fuels and the formation of diamonds. It’s an interesting read. Naturally, anything that proves that oil is not reprocessed dinosaurs attracts the ire of the mainstream “scientists”. He’ll eventually be proven correct. This sort of thing is the baby step that mainstream science is taking in this regard. http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Hot-Biosphere-Fossil-Fuels/dp/0387985468/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1314623367&sr=8-2
40 mph? Much faster than that:
http://www.debeersgroup.com/en/About-diamonds/What-are-diamonds/Origin-and-formation-of-diamonds/
“The resulting explosion is vastly more powerful than most volcanoes, with molten rock rising to the surface at the speed of sound, forming a ‘pipe’ through the path of least resistance to the surface.”
The hydrocarbon fuel by abiogenesis is not going to save you for a number of reasons.
1. Old oil fields are not magically refilling with oil.
2. Oil fields depend on the existence of suitable sedimentary rock formations and the number of those is a limiting factor
3. Not all suitable sedimentary rock formations have oil, contrary to what you would expect if the source was the mantle.
4. The crust is oxidizing, so CO2 is the favoured form of carbon.
5. Most of the emissions from volcanoes is CO2 not hydrocarbons.
6. The reduced form of carbon can appear in the form of graphite or diamond, but of course that is very rare. You won’t be filling you tanks with hydrocarbons that are as expensive as diamonds any time soon.
7. It is getting harder and harder to find new oil fields.
No need to comment when all that’s needed to be said, has … Kudos to all …
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Someone please explain the magical process by which biotic oil is created. According to Wikipedia it “changes” from one form to another. How is this accomplished? Has the process been replicated in the lab? It seems it should be fairly easy.
I have read the same sort of ‘stuff’ as Alex and Slacko earlier and read Max’s recommended book re Abiotic Oil. I have suggested some time ago a full post on this subject would be very informative.
There is currently no known mechanism/geological force that can move kimberlite material from a depth of 100 mile to 450 miles up through the earth at 40 miles per hour. (The diamond material must move quickly from the high pressure region to the surface to avoid a phase transition to graphite.)
It sure would be nice to have unambiguous answer to oil’s origins. One would think, that considering the importance of “fossil” fuels and the treasure spent extracting it, these questions would have been investigated, with all our might. Yet, we seem to be lackadaisical in the investigation of a phenomenon, of at least equal importance, to space exploration. More so, if one considers that one is dependent on the other. This is a good example, of what happens, when scientist regard a subject, as settled. GK
As a kid I cracked open rocks and found very old creatures inside. Does that mean the rocks were formed from very old creatures and plants?
It seems more reasonable that the fossil fuels are formed naturally in the earth and there is an endless supply at least for the next billion years or so if we all don’t die off from a lack of carbon.
What Leif said. The running theory on all the diamond pipes in Colorado and Wyoming was a meteorite/comet impact as the trigger.
As for diamond windows, I would rather have sapphire windows. That pesky clevage plane in diamonds would make me nervous.
All those hydrocarbons on Titan were caused by dead, SUV-driving dinosaurs!
Leif is correct – somebody’s conversion factors are all screwed up.
400 meters/sec are more likely.
My advisor back in the 60s, Tom McGetchin, did some interesting work on kimberlite eruptions through the Colorado Plateau. Big blocks of sedimentary strata in the Grand Canyon sequence were carried upward by the CO2-driven, mantle-derived kimberlite fluid and today lie scattered about the Four Corners area. Here’s the abstract
http://thesis.library.caltech.edu/2645/
If you’d been standing around when a kimberlite breached the land surface, it would have knocked you on your butt 50 miles away.
“No one knows” what triggers them (comets unlikely). Another could happen at any minute!!
More research funding is needed. Crisp C-notes will do.
1. The current theory for the biotic origin of oil is that it is produced from microscopic organisms that thrived in warm, shallow seas. Since such organisms have been around 3.5 billion years, there could be a lot of oil. And this does not exclude the possibility of abiotic oil.
2. The Earth’s internal heat comes from radioactive decay (est 90%) and some residual heat from its formation, gravitational settling and inner core expansion.
“There is currently no known mechanism/geological force that can move kimberlite material from a depth of 100 mile to 450 miles up through the earth”
Big meteor hitting Earth
Now we know why BP was drilling so deep !
also
New oil , old oil
http://itsrainmakingtime.com/2010/chrislandau/
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Yes, crude oil contains vanadium. I was told once that algae uses vanadium as part of its metabolism. If true, then crude oil is from algae.
Alex the skeptic says:
August 29, 2011 at 3:14 am
About abiotic iol theory: If one considers the incredibly immense amount of carbon (dioxide) being exhausted continuously by volcanoes, it is very easy for one’s mind to wonder about the possibility of other abiotic carbon based molecules, such as methane, propane, buthane, crude oil being formed through very high pressures and temperatures.
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Large hydrocarbons cannot exist at high temps and high pressures. Read up about the :oil window”
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The Russians were the first to consider the abiotic theory. I have even read reports of Russian oil wells deep enough for the source to be surely abiotic.
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False, Every Russian oil field has a biological source rock. If you have a specific field name where it is claimed to be abiotic please note that deposit. “Deep” is a relative term. Continental crust is betweem 25 and 35 KILOMETERS deep.
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These wells never dry up. Also I have read reports saying that depleted oil wells have been found productive again after some years of being considered as dry.
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Oil deposits NEVER run dry. A typical oil field once depleted leaves as much as 60-70% of oil in place behind. Geological reasons prevent fields from running dry. Oil in a deposit is not a void, oil is found inside the rock matrix much like a sponge. Extracting the oil is a tricky balancing act keeping the flow rate low and the pressure high. Extract oil too fast and you wreck the deposit and leave even more oil behind, which is what happened in Texas.
Anyone who thinks oil is produced abiotically needs to show a specific field where this has been proven to be the case. Otherwise, you are just speculating.
Gee Willikers says:
August 29, 2011 at 8:32 am
All those hydrocarbons on Titan were caused by dead, SUV-driving dinosaurs!
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There is no oil on Titan. Oil is a hydrocarbon, but not all hydrocarbons are oil.
Olen says:
August 29, 2011 at 7:05 am
As a kid I cracked open rocks and found very old creatures inside. Does that mean the rocks were formed from very old creatures and plants?
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In some cases yes. Limestones, dolostones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedimentary_rock
DR says:
August 29, 2011 at 6:37 am
Someone please explain the magical process by which biotic oil is created. According to Wikipedia it “changes” from one form to another. How is this accomplished? Has the process been replicated in the lab? It seems it should be fairly easy.
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Explained in the book Oil 101. Well worth the purchace. There is no magic involved.
JDN says:
August 29, 2011 at 6:10 am
This topic was covered a decade ago by Thomas Gold’s book “The Deep Hot Biosphere”, which covers oil & coal as deep bacterial byproducts of methane, the de-bunking of “fossil” fuels and the formation of diamonds. It’s an interesting read. Naturally, anything that proves that oil is not reprocessed dinosaurs attracts the ire of the mainstream “scientists”.
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Oil didn’t come from dinosaurs, since many oil deposits predate the dinosaurian era. Oil deposits are marine in origin.
Rabe says:
August 29, 2011 at 1:06 am
“…from the fossilized remains of plants and animals…”
I wonder how these remains got there where they are now without being “eaten” when they were at the surface. It is a huge amount. All of, say, human “material” buried at one place would not yield enough fuel to last one day of our current consumption.
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This is why oil deposits are from marine sediments. Dead organisms get covered quickly, especially in O2 depleted waters.
This is a great thread!
Some fractions of hydrocarbons could be primordial, especially methane, or methane could be produced abiotically as WSBriggs notes above. However,…
Vanadium also takes the place of iron in an equivalent to hemoglobin. I’ve thought that oil being a major source of vanadium provided a pretty good piece of evidence for oil being derived from remains of animals. Is there doubt at all that coals, all coals, come from plant remains?
JDN says:
August 29, 2011 at 6:10 am
This topic was covered a decade ago by Thomas Gold’s book “The Deep Hot Biosphere”,
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Debunked: http://static.scribd.com/docs/j79lhbgbjbqrb.pdf
Alpha particles may be helium cores, but Alpha decay is not fission. In Wyoming there are gas fields with enormous reserves of helium. I wonder if any of this the helium is primordial, diffused upward from the mantle, or what seems more likely, that it is from alpha decay of uranium? At any rate, considering how easily helium escapes practically any container, is it a wonder that reservoir caps in gas fields keep it contained?
Show me a crude oil that does not contain biomarkers and the bio preferred C12 to C13 ratio and I would consider abiotic oil theory. The abiotists usually counter this by arguing that the abiotic oil had become “contaminated” with microrganisms. How convenient is that? They invoke biology to argue against biology.
Certainly there is abiotic methane and perhaps some small amount of hydrocarbons made via Fisher-Tropsch chemistry around hydrothermal vents and perhaps elsewhere, but where is the evidence against fossil formation of hydrocarbons? Where is the uncontaminated abiotic oil?