No, I’m not asking for money, just some crowdsourced help. I have a short project that I can do in some free time tomorrow night, that is if I can get a little help. As you folks know by now, I’ve reduced the amount of time I spend on WUWT to work on my business which needs attention.
Normally I’d do this research myself, but I figure I have the best web research team in the world at my fingertips – the WUWT reader base, so that’s why I’m asking. Crowdsourcing a project like this moves it along quickly.
Here’s what I’m looking for:
I’m looking for pronouncements in press and blogs from prominent players and scientists in the AGW issue where they’ve said “We’ll have an ice free Arctic by the year xxxx”.
This number keeps changing, I’d like to document it and I have an idea about what I can do with it once a database of such pronouncements is established.
This can be recent news, as well as older news items. I recall that there have been some news article from as far back as the mid to early 20th century that have had such pronouncements.
Just leave what you find in comments below. Be sure to inlcude a URL in the comment, just paste it from your browser address bar and wordpress will automatically make a link out of it.
I’ll be offline most of today, but will check in tonight. Thanks for your consideration.
Anthony
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It’s all about where you go to look for what you’re looking for, so in your case try scholar.google.com with the actual phrase: “ice free arctic”, and you’ll get a wealth of hippie doom and gloom information about the arctic ice. My first rendered 20 links covering, in various degrees of interest, 1966 to 2009.
The paper in the Journal of Geophysical Research, from 1966: The Heat Budgets of an Ice-Free and an Ice-Covered Arctic Ocean, by Donn and Shaw, seems befitting.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090402143752.htm
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Ice-Free Arctic Ocean Possible In 30 Years, Not 90 As Previously Estimated
ScienceDaily (Apr. 3, 2009) — A nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in the summer may happen three times sooner than scientists have estimated. New research says the Arctic might lose most of its ice cover in summer in as few as 30 years instead of the end of the century.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091015-arctic-ice-free-gone-global-warming.html
Arctic Largely Ice Free in Summer Within Ten Years?
John Roach
for National Geographic News
October 15, 2009
The Arctic Ocean could be largely ice free in summer within a decade, scientists announced today—the latest in a stream of wildly varying predictions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7139797.stm
Page last updated at 10:40 GMT, Wednesday, 12 December 2007
Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’
By Jonathan Amos
Science reporter, BBC News, San Francisco
Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.
Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.
http://atmoz.org/blog/2008/04/28/arctic-ocean-ice-free-in-2008/
It’s a blog.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1220512/Arctic-Ocean-ice-free-20-years.html
Arctic Ocean ‘will be ice-free within 20 years’
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:36 AM on 15th October 2009
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Global warming will leave the Arctic Ocean ice-free during the summer within 20 years, raising sea levels and harming wildlife, a leading British polar scientist said today.
The changes will mean the top of the Earth will appear blue rather than white when photographed from space
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1220512/Arctic-Ocean-ice-free-20-years.html#ixzz1SIEjMfck
http://atoc.colorado.edu/~dcn/reprints/Overpeck_etal_EOS2005.pdf
[EOS, 2005]
http://www.cicero.uio.no/cicerone/00/2/en/smedsrud.pdf
If the rapid melting of the ice in the Arctic continues, the perennial ice will
disappear by the end of this century. The consequences of an ice-free Arctic will
be particularly dramatic for its biodiversity.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6815470/Copenhagen-climate-summit-Al-Gore-condemned-over-Arctic-ice-melting-prediction.html
By Murray Wardrop
8:55AM GMT 15 Dec 2009
Comment
Speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, Mr. Gore said new computer modelling suggests there is a 75 per cent chance of the entire polar ice cap melting during the summertime by 2014.
However, he faced embarrassment last night after Dr Wieslav Maslowski, the climatologist whose work the prediction was based on, refuted his claims.
http://www2.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF18/1833.html
Alaska Science Forum December 13, 2006
“In the model, the ice is stable until about 2025, and then boom, it goes,” she said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7139797.stm
“Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’ ……….By Jonathan Amos
Science reporter, BBC News, San Francisco 12 December 2007
Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.
Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years. ..Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss.
Summer melting this year reduced the ice cover to 4.13 million sq km, the smallest ever extent in modern times.
Remarkably, this stunning low point was not even incorporated into the model runs of Professor Maslowski and his team, which used data sets from 1979 to 2004 to constrain their future projections.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090402_seaice.html
Ice-Free Arctic Summers Likely Sooner Than Expected April 2, 2009
Summers in the Arctic may be ice-free in as few as 30 years, not at the end of the century as previously expected. The updated forecast is the result of a new analysis of computer models coupled with the most recent summer ice measurements. ….“The Arctic is changing faster than anticipated,” said James Overland, an oceanographer at NOAA’s Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory and co-author of the study,………Overland and his co-author, Muyin Wang, a University of Washington research scientist with the Joint Institute for the Study of the Atmosphere and Ocean in Seattle, analyzed projections from six computer models, including three with sophisticated sea ice physics capabilities. That data was then combined with observations of summer sea ice loss in 2007 and 2008…..The area covered by summer sea ice is expected to decline from its current 4.6 million square kilometers (about 1.8 million square miles) to about 1 million square kilometers (about 390,000 square miles) – a loss approximately two-fifths the size of the continental U.S. Much of the sea ice would remain in the area north of Canada and Greenland and decrease between Alaska and Russia in the Pacific Arctic………..The Arctic is often called the ‘Earth’s refrigerator’ because the sea ice helps cool the planet by reflecting the sun’s radiation back into space,” said Wang. “With less ice, the sun’s warmth is instead absorbed by the open water, contributing to warmer temperatures in the water and the air.”
Sen. Kerry Predicts ‘Ice-Free Arctic’ In ‘5 or 10 Years’
Speaking at a town hall-style meeting promoting climate change legislation on Thursday, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) predicted there will be "an ice-free Arctic" in "five or 10 years."
Thursday, July 22, 2010
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/69845
Ice-free Arctic could be here in 23 years
The Guardian, Wednesday 5 September 2007 Dr Serreze (US National Snow and Ice Data Centre at Colorado University in Denver ) said: “If you asked me a couple of years ago when the Arctic could lose all of its ice, then I would have said 2100, or 2070 maybe. But now I think that 2030 is a reasonable estimate. It seems that the Arctic is going to be a very different place within our lifetimes, and certainly within our children’s lifetimes.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/05/climatechange.sciencenews
Arctic’s First Ice-Free Summer Possible Even This Year
June 27, 2008
Satellite data gathered by the University of Colorado’s National Snow and Ice Data Center showed that young sea ice, which is no more than about 60 inches deep and much more susceptible to melting away, now makes up 72 percent of the Arctic ice sheet.
Andy Mahoney, a center researcher, has pinpointed this year in particular as having the “greatest chance” of being ice-free.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=5265092&page=1
Arctic to be ice-free in summer in 20 years: scientist
Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:37pm EDT LONDON (Reuters) – Global warming will leave the Arctic Ocean ice-free during the summer within 20 years, raising sea levels and harming wildlife such as seals and polar bears, a leading British polar scientist said on Thursday.
Peter Wadhams, professor of ocean physics at the University of Cambridge, said much of the melting will take place within a decade, although the winter ice will stay for hundreds of years.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/15/us-climate-britain-arctic-science-idUSTRE59E18W20091015
Arctic ice ‘could be gone in five years’
5:01PM GMT 12 Dec 2007
And Nasa climate scientist Jay Zwally said: “At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3318239/Arctic-ice-could-be-gone-in-five-years.html
Ice-free Arctic in summer seen in 7 years
December 14, 2007|By Laurie Goering
Warning that the pace of climate change is quickly accelerating beyond previous scientific predictions, meteorologists predicted Thursday at UN climate talks in Bali that the Arctic could be ice-free in summer within seven years, rather than the half-century once expected. ….. The pace of melting of sea ice has been “dramatic,” said Michel Jarraud, secretary general of the UN agency, noting that the extent of Arctic summer sea ice has fallen 23 percent in just two years.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-12-14/news/0712140047_1_sea-ice-climate-talks-ice-free
New warning on Arctic sea ice melt
4/7/2011 Scientists who predicted a few years ago that Arctic summers could be ice-free by 2013 now say summer sea ice will probably be gone in this decade. The original prediction, made in 2007, gained Wieslaw Maslowski’s team a deal of criticism from some of their peers. Now they are working with a new computer model – compiled partly in response to those criticisms – that produces a “best guess” date of 2016.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13002706
Arctic Ice Gone By 2015 – First Time in One Million Years Dec 13 2008 (IPS)
“Things are happening much faster in the Arctic. I think it will be summer ice-free by 2015,” said David Barber, an Arctic climatologist at the University of Manitoba. http://stephenleahy.net/2008/12/30/arctic-ice-gone-2015-first-time-in-a-million-years/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100802173736.htm
Ice-Free Arctic Ocean May Not Be of Much Use in Soaking Up Carbon Dioxide
ScienceDaily (Aug. 3, 2010) — The summer of 2010 has been agonizingly hot in much of the continental U.S., and the record-setting temperatures have refocused attention on global warming. Scientists have been looking at ways the Earth might benefit from natural processes to balance the rising heat, and one process had intrigued them, a premise that melting ice at the poles might allow more open water that could absorb carbon dioxide, one of the major compounds implicating in warming. ……Now, though, in research just published in the journal Science and led by a University of Georgia biogeochemist, that idea may be one more dead end. In fact, a survey of waters in the Canada Basin, which extends north of Alaska to the North Pole, shows that its value as a potential carbon dioxide “sink” may be short-lived at best and minor in terms of what the planet will need to avoid future problems.
“The Canada Basin and entire Arctic Ocean are still taking up carbon dioxide,” said Wei-Jun Cai, a professor in the department of marine biology in UGA’s Franklin College of Arts and Sciences and lead author of the study. “But our research shows that as the ice melts, the carbon dioxide in the water very quickly reaches equilibrium with the atmosphere, so its use as a place to store CO2 declines dramatically and quickly. We never really understood how limited these waters would be in terms of their usefulness in soaking up carbon dioxide.”
The carbon dioxide level in the Earth’s atmosphere has increased dramatically since the industrial revolution, and around 30 percent of that CO2 has been absorbedby the oceans. That has been the good news. The bad news is that it increases the acidification of the seas, causing changes in conditions for the growth of all life forms.
Melting in the planet’s Arctic zone has been dramatic in the past three years. A recent paper predicted that the Arctic Ocean would be ice-free during summer within 30 years, Cai noted. Researchers in years past had predicted that increased areas of open water in the Arctic, while troublesome in many ways, might at least sequester increasing amounts of carbon dioxide because of summertime ice melts.
“This prediction, however, was made based on observations of very low surface water carbon dioxide levels,” said Cai, “from either highly productive ocean margin areas or basin areas under earlier ice-covered conditions before the recent major ice retreat.”
…..an international team of scientists in the summer of 2008 boarded the retrofitted Chinese research vessel Xue Long (Snow Dragon) for a three-month research voyage………..What Cai and colleagues found was that as greater areas of ice melt each summer, the Canada Basin’s potential as a CO2 sink will diminish dramatically mainly because of the rapid uptake of CO2 from the atmosphere. And because of this carbon dioxide uptake, the waters become quite acidic and “a poor environment for calcium-carbonate shell-bearing marine organisms,” Cai said.
“One of the take-away lessons of this research is that we can’t expect the oceans to do the job of helping offset global warming in the short term,” said Cai.
Cai’s work is supported by the National Science Foundation and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Here’s one from NOAA: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090402_seaice.html
In the paper “A Sea Ice Free Summer Arctic Within 30 Years?” published in the April 3, 2009 edition of Geophysical Research Letters, authors J.E. Overland and Muyin Wang say,
“”””[10] Our expected time frame of ~30 years to reach a September sea ice free Arctic is based on current conditions in the Arctic and information from the currently available set of fully coupled CMIP3 atmosphere-ocean-ice General Circulation Models (GCMs).””””
John
Here are two goodies:
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-06-27/world/north.pole.melting_1_mark-serreze-arctic-sea-ice-national-snow?_s=PM:WORLD CNN says “ice Free” in Summer 2008
Then Sen. Kerry opines: ‘Ice free in 5 to 10 years”
http://www.cnsnews.com/node/69845
But it was “ice free” 3 M years ago!
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=366797
Just to make sure you don’t forget the April 2009 WUWT article at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/
Arctic ice-free? Too easy. How about this one:
“An ice-free Antarctica?”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2004/jan/15/research.highereducation1
Collapse of East Antarctic Ice sheet, 100+ years
“Climate Warming Affects Antarctic Ice Sheet Stability”: ScienceDaily (Mar. 22, 2009)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090318140522.htm
Melting of West Antarctic Ice sheet
“The Future of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet” no time scale given, http://geology.com/research/west-antarctic-ice-sheet.shtml
How about the Martian Arctic?
“Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says”
National Geographic News, February 28, 2007; http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
Probably not terribly relevant, but different!
I searched for ‘ice free Arctic by” and was prompted with”ice free Arctic by 2030″ then
“ice free Arctic by 2015” and then “ice free Arctic by 2013”
This means further out in the future the prediction is, the more hits on google.
If I’ve doubled up I apologize :http://news.google.com/newspapers
Maybe this is all the link you will need: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/bad-weather/
Ok. This was just entertaining, so I scrolled through the thread and snagged the dates spotted.
I didn’t count multiples since I had no idea if they were referencing identical studies. For a range, picked middle date, for “in 10 years” just added 10 to publication. This is of course excessive precision, but this is just for fun.
1989 2000 2002 2008 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2019 2020 2025 2029 2030 2031 2037 2039 2040 2067 2070 2105
aaand
1959+”not too many decades”
Well, every example I know of is already listed!
What an exellent crowd to source! Congratulations.
Looks like there may be something to work with, to put it very mildly
This is slightly off topic in that it is predictions of snow falls in SE Australia up to 2050 by our Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO). The attached slide show is based upon their models! Published in 2002.
http://www.siaaustralia.com.au/_uploads/res/1_386.pdf
http://www.washington.edu/news/archive/48419
NEXT GREAT DELUGE FORECAST BY SCIENCE
NYT May,15 1932
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/weekinreview/warm1930.pdf
“Within 30,000 to 40,000 years.”
The NYT Has Been Predicting Polar Ice Melt for 128 Years
http://wallstreetpit.com/12973-the-nyt-has-been-predicting-polar-ice-melt-for-128-years
[snip]
Funny – the New York Times has been reporting on the Polar ice melt for over 100 years, and usually blaming it on man. The dumbest is the 1959 story of the ice disappearing – which was followed by 20 years of Global Cooling. From the Daily Telegraph (Australia), Eternal Melting:
Note: lots of goodies in this one!
Here is another reference to Antarctic ice melting.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/22/environment-climate-antarctica-dc-idUSL2210716920070822
I forgot to add in post above that the snow in SE Australia this year is the best for a long time and started very early too.
NSIDC-Researcher Walt Meier: 2030
http://www.focus.de/wissen/wissenschaft/klima/polarforschung-ist-die-arktis-2030-eisfrei_aid_333977.html
Article from 2008-09-18
Leif Toudal Pedersen from Danish National Spacecenter: 2040
http://www.infobildungsdienst.de/forschung.html
Article from 2007-09-18
The same month and day but different year.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/map-arctic
The Atlantic, Scott Borgerson, Visiting Fellow for Ocean Governance at the Council on Foreign Relations. 2008/11
BEFORE OUR EYES, the Arctic is changing from an impenetrable wasteland into an oceanic crossroads. The polar ice cap has lost up to half its thickness near the North Pole in just the past six years and may have passed a tipping point; it is now shrinking at more than three times the rate predicted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change only four years ago. At the current pace, the Arctic may well be ice-free in summer by 2013.
Time May 17 1954
“The Arctic icecap, covering some 3,000,000 square miles from Greenland to Northeastern Siberia, is the source of cold winds and ocean currents that affect the climate of the northern hemisphere. Last week Edward L. Gorton Jr. of the U.S. Navy Hydrographic Office released the first results of a continuing analysis of the polar wasteland.
Navy oceanographers found that one-tenth of the ice melts each summer, and the ice layer’s thickness is reduced to two or three meters. At present, the pack contains only 6,500 cubic miles of ice (barely enough to cover the state of Texas with a 125-ft. layer), and it is steadily shrinking. Since 1900, the thickness of the polar icecap has decreased by three feet because of higher general temperatures.
If the trend continues, predicts Gorton, the Arctic Ocean will eventually lose its permanent ice, freezing only in winter; at that point, none of the ice will reach the hard-core polar stage. The Navy’s tentative long-range forecast: “Great changes in climate will take place. This change . . . may foreshadow the end of the current ice age, but no timetable is set for this development.””
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,860739,00.html
2050 per http://psc.apl.washington.edu/BEST/PSW2007/PSW07_modelpredictions.html
In 2009, Al Gore predicted an Ice free Arctic in five years:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2009/12/15/inconvenient-truth-gore-claims-dont-add/
Apparently he’s still at it with a “75% chance if ice free” prediction in 2011:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6815470/Copenhagen-climate-summit-Al-Gore-condemned-over-Arctic-ice-melting-prediction.html
What’s the problem? Think positive!
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/arcticice.htm