Skeptic Strategy for Talking About Global Warming

Guest Post by Ira Glickstein

What should a responsible Skeptic say to an astute audience? When recently invited by the “Technology, Engineering, and Science Plus” group in my community to give a talk and answer questions, I knew I would have an attentive room of tech-savvy professionals. However, they might not be fully tuned in to the details of the Global Warming controversy. Furthermore, they were likely to have opinions closer to the supposed “mainsteam science” orientation than mine.

In this posting, I’ve summarized the main points I think are most likely to align people who are both intelligent and reasonable to the Skeptic side. My Powerpoint (with talking points for each chart in the Notes section under each slide) is available [click here] for you to use and adapt as you wish.

Highlight scene from former VP Al Gore's Nobel and Oscar-winning movie, An Inconvenient Truth. Dramatic correlation between temperature and CO2 over past 600,000 years. Implication that global mean temperature rise will parallel CO2 increases. But, which way does the causation go? {Annotations by ira@techie.com, TVPClub.blogspot.com}

A. Basic Climate Science – Water vapor (H2O), carbon dioxide (CO2), and other “greenhouse” gases cause the Earth Surface to be warmer than it would be if the Atmosphere was just nitrogen.

  1. Light energy from the Sun warms the Earth System, which consists of our Atmosphere and the Surface. Based on satellite measurements, the Sun provides 1366 Watts per square meter (W/m^2) at the Top of the Atmosphere. After accounting for the Earth’s spherical shape and albedo (reflectiveness), the absorbed energy averages out to about 240 W/m^2 for each square meter.
  2. To maintain a relatively constant mean temperature, Output Energy must equal Input Energy, so the Earth System must emit about 240 W/m^2 out to Space, which it does.
  3. We call the Input Energy “light” because we can see (much of) it. We call the Output Energy “heat” because we can feel it. However, whether it is “short wave” energy from the very hot Sun, or “long wave” from the more moderate Earth System, we know that energy is fungible. 240 W/m^2 of one type is equal, power-wise, to 240 W/m^2 of the other. A Watt is a Watt, no matter what :^)
  4. But, there is an “issue” – if we consider the Earth System as a “black body”, according to the laws of physics, for the Earth System to emit 240 W/m^2, it would have to be at a temperature of only 255 Kelvin, where Kelvins are degrees Celsius above absolute zero. (The Earth System is not exactly a black body, but it is close enough for our purposes here.)
  5. You may remember that anything above absolute zero emits radiant energy and that 0.0 Kelvin corresponds to -273ºC or -460ºF. The “issue” is that the Earth Surface has a mean temperature closer to 288 Kelvin, corresponding to about +15ºC or +59ºF. In other words, the Surface is about 33ºC or 58ºF warmer than the “black body” formula would indicate. How to explain this added warmth?
  6. The generally accepted explanation is the Atmospheric “greenhouse effect”. This is true science, but the name is somewhat misleading because a glass greenhouse works mostly by restricting convection while the Atmospheric effect works mostly by restricting radiation. I use “scare quotes” around “greenhouse” to acknowledge this semantic issue.
  7. The Atmosphere passes most of the “short wave” energy from the Sun and absorbs most of the “long wave” energy from the Surface. The absorbed energy warms the Atmosphere and is re-emitted in all directions at a variety of “long wave” wavelengths. A portion of radiation from the Atmosphere passes out the Top of the Atmosphere to Space. A portion is emitted in the downward direction and is absorbed by the Surface. This absorbed radiant energy accounts for most of the extra 33ºC or 58ºF.
  8. A variety of gases in the Atmosphere, primarily water vapor (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2), absorb and re-emit “long wave” radiation. These are called “greenhouse gases”.

B. Divergent Views – There is a valid, science-based argument between people I refer to as Warmists, Lukewarmers, and Skeptics. I distinguish their reasoned views from the far out, unscientific rantings of people I refer to as Alarmists and their equal and opposite reaction opponents, who I call Disbelievers.

  1. VP Al Gore was not the first Alarmist, but his public lectures and his Nobel and Oscar-winning movie, An “Inconvenient” Truth, probably did more than anything else to bring Global Warming Alarmism to the fore in the consciousness of the major media and the general population.
  2. The scene depicted above was the highlight of his presentation.
  3. Gore displays the Ice Core record of the past 600,000 years for CO2 (red) and Temperature (blue). He points out the undoubted correlation between the two parameters. When one goes up so does the other. When one goes down, the other does as well. He points out that the then current CO2 level is considerably higher than that of the past 600,000 years, and he projects the future levels of CO2 assuming it continues to rise at current rates. So far, this is all true.
  4. Dramatically ascending high above the stage on his motorized platform, he implies that mean temperatures will rise in proportion to the CO2. (My graphic is annotated in dashed blue to show the implied warming.) If that happens, he warns, more and more of the polar ice will melt, causing the seas to rise and flooding coastal areas. The ground under the polar ice will be exposed, further reducing the albedo of the Surface and causing further warming. We will reach a tipping point with runaway Global Warming.
  5. The villain of Gore’s story is the human race and our habit of burning ever-increasing quantities of fossil fuels (coal, oil, natural gas) that release unprecedented amounts of CO2. This scene, more than any other event, is most likely responsible for the birth of what has come to be known as Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming, CAGW. In other words, catastrophe due to human-caused Global Warming. It has become the mantra of the Alarmists and an excuse for governments to regulate all fossil fuels as well as land use that affects albedo. Since all industry and agriculture and civilized life itself depends upon fossil fuels and land use, the Alarmists give suitably oriented politicos an excuse to regulate and tax and restrict virtually everything. We outdoors types will need an indulgence from the government every time we pass wind. And, we can forget about lighting a campfire :^).
  6. But, as the annotations in my graphic above show, there is a fundamental “Inconvenient” truth about the ice core data. It has absolutely nothing to say about the current Global Warming controversy! Gore was misleading the media and the public when he implied that rising CO2 levels would cause corresponding increases in mean temperatures. In particular, as any scientist who took a close look at the ice core data would see, and as I show in the inset graph in the upper left corner, Temperature always rises eight-hundred or more years before CO2 increases. The same is true in the other direction. The Temperature falls eight-hundred or more years prior to CO2 decreases. What this shows, if anything, is that TEMPERATURE CAUSES CO2, or, that something else causes both to change, with CO2 lagging by hundreds of years. Gore got the direction of causation backwards.
  7. When the falsehood of this implied causation was pointed out, Gore’s apologists claimed that it was a minor matter and, after all, despite the 800-year lag, both Temperature and CO2 were up together and down together for about 5/6ths of the record. Besides, they said, we are currently burning historically unprecedented amounts of fossil fuel, and, we know that CO2 is a “greenhouse gas”, and so on and on. But, the truth is still that the ice core record is of a time when there were no humans to burn fossil fuels, so why did Gore bring it up since it has no relationship to our current situation? Raw, unfettered Alarmism has had its effect on the media, the political class, and we common citizens who have to pay the costs of the phony CAGW panic.
  8. In politics, as in physics, every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction. In the Case of CAGW, that opposite (and equally false) reaction is what I call Disbeliever AGW or DAGW. These are people who use pseudo-scientific arguments in their claim that humans have had absolutely no hand in the mean temperature rise of the past century, or that there has been no temperature rise, or that the basic science of the Atmospheric “greenhouse effect” is untrue, and so on. I do not like to be to critical of the DAGW crowd because, when it comes to general political decisions, they are more likely than not to agree with me than my opponents, but my academic integrity and ethical duty as a licensed professional engineer require me to state what I see as the error of their arguments. (As I have in my WUWT Visualizing series [1, 2, 3, 4, 5])
  9. Having dismissed what I regard as the unscientific Alarmists and Disbelievers, that leaves us with three groups that, for the most part, use rational science-base arguments for their diverse views. Of course, every member of each group has somewhat different views, and any attempt to divide them into three distinct types is bound to cross some lines. So, please consider my grouping as approximate.
  10. Carbon sensitivity, which is the estimate of how much mean temperatures will increase if CO2 doubles from historical or current levels, is one way to determine which of the the three groups a person belongs to. The Warmists tend to accept the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) estimate of 2.0ºC to 4.5ºC. The Skeptics tend to set carbon sensitivity much lower, perhaps 0.2ºC to 1ºC. The third group, which I call Lukewarmers, would suggest 1ºC to 3ºC.
  11. How much of the rise in CO2 is attributable to human use of fossil fuels is also estimated differently. Warmists would blame humans for nearly all of it, while Skeptics would say less than half. Similarly, the blame for the supposed 0.8ºC rise in mean temperatures since 1880 is mostly attributed to human activities, while Skeptics say that data bias “adjustments” by the official climate record keepers is responsible for about a third of the supposed warming, and that natural cycles, over which humans have no control, are responsible for about half of it, leaving only 0.1ºC (or maybe up to 0.2ºC) to human responsibility. Lukewarmers are somewhere in-between.
  12. Skeptics have well-justified suspicions that the official climate data keepers were “cooking the books” to lend whatever support they could to the highest estimates of carbon sensitivity. Around the year 2000, US Mean Temperature data was “adjusted” down by 0.1 to 0.2ºC for years prior to the 1970’s, and upwards by 0.2 to 0.3ºC for years after the 1970’s, increasing supposed warming by 0.3 to 0.5ºC.
  13. The surfacestations.org project published photos of official temperature measurement stations that were very near artificial sources of heat, with most being in the lowest two of the five quality levels established by the government. The poor quality stations were compared to nearby well-located stations. There were large temperature deltas that could only be accounted for if the the stations now poorly-located were originally well-located, but had been influenced by nearby development, such as paved parking lots, buildings, and air conditioning vents.
  14. According to a figure in the 1990 IPCC report, 1100 to 1300 AD saw temperatures in the northern hemisphere that were higher than current levels. However, the IPCC 2001 report included the infamous so-called “hockey stick” chart that managed to make the Medieval Warm Period of about 1000 years ago disappear! (My Powerpoint set includes charts with evidence of each of the aforementioned issues.)
  15. These suspicions were not fully confirmed until 2009 when someone (probably an inside whistle-blower) released emails and computer code from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in the UK, and, later that year, a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request yielded a stash from the US NASA-GISS (Goddard Institute for Space Studies).

C. Climategate – UK Climatic Research Unit (CRU) emails and the US NASA GISS FOIA emails. What they tell us about the published Global Warming data.

IPCC 1990 recognized Medieval Warm Period (MWP) temperatures were above current levels. IPCC 2001 used the "Hockey Stick" chart that makes MWP disappear.
  1. I refer to the CRU as the Climategate Research Unit or, more simply, the Fudge Factory because the words “fudge factor” appear in their computer code. Phil Jones, PhD, is the CRU Director. He confirmed suspicions about the infamous “Hockey Stick” graph when, in an email, he called it “Mike’s Nature trick” (because a version of that graph appeared in a paper by Dr. Michael Mann in the prestigious journal Nature ). He also wrote that the “trick” was designed to “hide the decline” in tree ring proxy data. The tree-ring expert associated with CRU, Keith Brifa, PhD, admits, in one of the emails that “the recent warmth was probably matched about 1,000 years ago”. (My Powerpoint set includes slides with direct quotes from the Climategate materials.)
2007 email from Sato to Hansen details seven analyses of 1934 vs 1998. 1934 starts off with a 0.5ºC lead and ends up in a dead heat.
  1. Moving on to the FOIA emails from GISS, it is interesting to note that their HQ, in New York City, happens to be in the same building as the famous restaurant where Jerry Seinfeld dined with George, Kramer, and Elaine. (It was never revealed what Kramer did for a living – perhaps he was the chief analyst at GISS :^)
  2. The most revealing email from GISS is reproduced above. It was from Makiko Sato, PhD to her Boss, GISS-Director James Hansen, PhD, detailing the seven different analyses and comparisons of US mean temperatures for 1934 and 1998. The later year was the hottest in the 1990’s, so it was, let us say “inconvenient” that 1934, according to data published by GISS in 1999, was over 0.5ºC warmer. If Global Warming was almost entirely due to recent human activities, and was accelerating, how could the 1930 have been warmer?
  3. Just as the Hockey Stick made the Medieval Warm Period disappear, GISS tried mightily to make 1934 cooler than 1998, but only succeeded in reducing the 0.5ºC lead into a dead heat. Notice that the 0.5ºC “adjustment” is more than half the supposed total warming since 1880.
  4. I would like to trust the work of taxpayer-supported science, but, it seems, we must rely on President Reagan’s advice regarding the old Soviet Union, “Trust, but verify!”

D. What We Can and Should Do – Energy policy (cap and trade scam vs carbon tax). Efficiency, conservation, “green“, and renewable sources.

  1. I am quite sure that Global Warming is REAL (i.e. the mean temperature of the Surface has increased by 0.5 to 0.6ºC since 1880) but, most of that increase is due to Natural Cycles over which we humans have no control.
  2. However, the warming is PARTLY Due to Rising CO2 Levels and human actions are PART of the Cause.
  3. There is not and never has been any real danger of catastrophe or even of serious net detriment to human life due to increased CO2 levels. Indeed, modest increases in these parameters are most likely a net benefit.
  4. However, we Skeptics have to be realistic in the current political climate. Like it or not (and I do not like it) the official climate “Team” (i.e., the “Hockey Team” :^) has convinced the political and media establishment, and much of the population that something has to be done. We cannot fight something with nothing, so we need something more than a passive policy of do nothing because nothing is necessary.
  5. Therefore, I favor reduction of the carbon footprint by efficiency, conservation, recycling, and so on, plus the introduction, if and when economically practical of so-called “Green” energy, including Nuclear, Water, Wind, Biomass and, particularly, “Clean” Coal.
  6. If nothing else, these will do minimum harm and, if successful, will reduce US dependence upon foreign oil. We have spent, and continue to sacrifice too much blood and treasure protecting our access, and that of our allies, to energy from unstable regions of the world.
  7. As for the Cap and Trade scam, it is a Politician’s Delight that rewards powerful Interests, wrecks the economy, and will NOT significantly reduce carbon emissions. It seems to me that some countries and US states that have adopted Cap and Trade have realized their folly and are backing away from it.
  8. You may be surprised that I favor some version of a straight Carbon Tax, collected at the mine, well, and port, with the proceeds returned on an equal basis to citizens and legal residents. Yes, James Hansen and (pardon the expression Ralph Nader) also favor it, but, so do conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer, the Wall Street Journal, and others on the right. My support for this tax is based on what I wrote above, “We cannot fight something with nothing” and “We have spent, and continue to sacrifice too much blood and treasure protecting our access, and that of our allies, to energy from unstable regions of the world.”

I’m interested in your critique and comments. (My Powerpoint presentation is available [click here] for you to use and adapt as you wish..)

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Myrrh
June 13, 2011 10:38 pm

Back to the wiki page above and the categories of what can and will happen when Light meets matter.
The third is a description of transparency, which is what the medium Water is to Light. The term used to describe how Light behaves in water is transmission:
“An electron cannot absorb the energy of the photon and the photon continues on its path. This results in transmission (provided no other absorption mechanisms are active).”
I’ve found this description which I hope you enjoy as much as I did (and if you didn’t know, Light can be slowed down when it passes through matter, different materials having different effects on it), this is looking at glass which is transparent to Light as is water:

Tor posted Nov 12 2005, 01:00 PM
“Imagine the group of atoms as groups of people, each group dancing to their own rhythm in a room. Into the room comes a photon dancing in the rhythm of light (frequency of light). It tries to join a group in the dance (delayed), but they have a different rhythm, is rejected and sent to the next group in the same direction, and the same is repeated until the phonon escapes the room on the other side. If a group had the same rhythm as the phonon, the phonon would have joined the group in the dance and produced heat.
Since the lattice of atom arrangements in amorphous solids and glass is different from other solids, they do not have frequencies corresponding to the frequency of light; hence it is rejected after “test” and passed through.”
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=3465&st=30

Anyway, Visible Light cannot and does not heat the oceans of Earth – the AGWScience fiction energy budget KT97 which claims it does is junk science. It should be scrapped immediately if you want to retain a modicum of sanity in looking at how our world really works.

June 15, 2011 3:02 am

Poor Mooorrh;
permanent pervasive confusion.
WP has changed its comments box software to “remember” the previous post entered, and offer it as a greyed prompt. Highlight (CTRL-A) and begin typing and it vanishes.
And all energy still becomes heat. No escape.

June 15, 2011 7:54 am

I’ll repeat a post to Myrrh I put up on Jo Nova’s site — it is a simple experiment that he can do to discover if he is right (assuming he is interested);
There is a very simple device used to estimate the output power of large lasers. You let the laser light be (nearly) totally absorbed by a black body and measure the temperature increase of the blackbody. From the difference between the blackbody temperature and ambient temperature, you can calculate the heat energy being lost by IR radiation — this is a pretty good measure of the laser output energy.
The point here is that the laser doesn’t have to be an IR laser — it can radiate in the visible, or even in the ultraviolet: The energy, when absorbed, becomes heat.
There is a simple way to build your own blackbody to try this. Take a stack of double-edged razor blades — about 20 or 30 is fine — and bolt them into a tight stack using screws and nuts in the blade holes. The center hole makes a good place to mount the thermocouple, using thermal cement. When you look at the stack edge on, it will be the blackest thing you have ever looked at. I guarentee this device will absorb light energy at any wavelength and convert it to heat.

June 15, 2011 8:09 am

There’s an even easier experiment Myrrh could try to see if visible light can be converted into heat. Your local university probably has an argon laser somewhere which radiates blue-green light (488 nm). Many of these have output powers in the 1-3 watt range. The experiment is this: Hold your hand steady in the beam for 4 – 5 seconds and see if blue-green light can be converted into heat. (Warning: bring a bandaid and antibiotic cream).
If you don’t want to do an experiment as drastic as this (which I actually did once when I was young and foolish), you might simply google “diabetic retinopathy” and note that argon lasers are used to seal leaking blood vessels in the eye by burning them and creating scar tissue.

June 15, 2011 8:44 am

Brian Hall says:
June 12, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Further to what Ira says, you are fundamentally wrong, not even slightly correct, when you say that light and heat radiation are different. From gamma rays down to radio and electrical waves, it’s all EM, it’s all the same stuff, just different frequencies.
And it all ends up as heat. No exceptions. Some delays and side-excursions, which permit life to exploit it etc., but NO DIFFERENCE OTHERWISE.
Brian if you and Ira (a watt is a watt) are correct then the hottest place on earth is at he foot of a 50000 watt transmission tower for any of the several radio stations that are “blow torches” of the mid west.

June 15, 2011 9:14 am

mkelly says:
June 15, 2011 at 8:44 am
Brian if you and Ira (a watt is a watt) are correct then the hottest place on earth is at he foot of a 50000 watt transmission tower for any of the several radio stations that are “blow torches” of the mid west.
mkelly: You may have noticed that radio frequencies are chosen for their ability to go great distances without absorption, which maximizes their communication potential. This does not mean that they don’t create heat when finally absorbed. In the case of the “blow torches” of the mid west — the 50,000 watts is absorbed over several hundred thousands of square miles, resulting in an infinitesimal temperature increase.
This doesn’t mean that radio waves are completely harmless, however. The microwave oven principle was discovered in 1946 by Percy Spencer who had the chocolate bar in his shirt pocket melt from standing too close to a magnetron microwave source during a test at Raytheon. (http://www.coolquiz.com/trivia/explain/docs/microwave.asp)

June 15, 2011 11:11 pm

Thanks, bobc2010; I was about to point out my words “ends up as”, but your response is more detailed. We live on the delayed and circuitous paths various energy emissions take before ending up as heat. But that end is always the same, even for the bluest of EM.
😉

Myrrh
June 16, 2011 5:53 pm

I think you’re getting a bit sidetracked here, water, therefore the oceans of the AGWScience fiction energy budget KT97, is transparent to visible light.

http://sites.bio.indiana.edu/~hangarterlab/courses/b373/lecturenotes/water/waterintro.html
Transparent to visible irradiation (light)

What does that mean?

June 16, 2011 9:16 pm

Myrrh: “Transparency” is a relative thing. Nothing is completely transparent (except a perfect vacuum, and there are astrophysicists who postulate otherwise about that even.)
Here is a more direct article on water transparency: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_absorption — and the graph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Water_absorption_spectrum.png
Like you say, water is far more transparent to the visible spectrum than UV or IR. However, also note from the graph that essentially all the visible is absorbed by 100 meters (10^4 cm) of water.
Most of the oceans are more than 100 meters deep, so absorb most of the visible light that penetrates the surface.

June 17, 2011 12:35 am

bobc2010 says:
June 16, 2011 at 9:16 pm

Most of the oceans are more than 100 meters deep, so absorb most of the visible light that penetrates the surface.

Correction: all of the visible light that penetrates the surface. (Unless the water is so shallow that some light bounces off the bottom and makes it out again.)

Myrrh
June 17, 2011 1:14 am

Did you all go to the Al Gore school of graph reading..?
And comprehension.
The AGWScience fiction claim is that not Thermal Infrared but Visible light and the two shortwave either side directly convert to heat the Earth’s land and oceans, as in the KT97 energy budget, which then heat the Earth radiates back out as Thermal Infrared. I am saying that this basic premise is obvious nonsense from ga ga land because Light energies cannot physically do this, it is Thermal Infrared which heats the Earth’s land and oceans.
In real traditional science there is a a

Myrrh
June 17, 2011 1:33 am

In real traditional science there is an immense understanding of the difference between Light energies and Heat energies. Visible is Light energy, sometimes written, light.
BobC2010 – I have already in my last few posts referred to that graph. It shows that Visible electromagnetic, light, is billions times less able to be absorbed by water and the vast heating of water is ALL in the Infrared region, this is what the absorbed means here, and this is what transparent means here. For all practical real world conditions the graph shows clearly that Visible is NOT ABSORBED. Blue light is even less absorbed than the other colours, which is why it travels further in the oceans being not absorbed but continually transmitted through the water which is a TRANSPARENT medium for it. Just as is glass.
Please read my last few posts from my discussion with MattG on, and my links.

June 18, 2011 12:40 pm

Myrrh says:
June 17, 2011 at 1:14 am
“Did you all go to the Al Gore school of graph reading..?”
No, Myrrh, we went to college. Here is how to read this graph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Water_absorption_spectrum.png):
The left side is the absorption coefficient, given in inverse centimeters. Absorption is an exponential process, in that the same fraction of the remaining energy is absorbed in each linear distance. The meaning of the absorption coefficient is that its inverse is the distance that 1/e (about 37%) of the light remains.
So looking at the graph with this understanding, we see that the most transparent wavelength is in the green, at about 490 nm (that is the point on the graph with the smallest absorption coefficient). The coefficient at that point is not quite 10^4 cm^-1. Assuming it was 10^4 cm^-1, then the inverse would be 10,000 cm, or 100 meters.
Hence, we can conclude that, at a depth of 100 m, no more than 37% of green (490 nm) light would remain. All other wavelengths are absorbed faster than this.
This is not the same thing as “visible light is not absorbed”. If visible weren’t absorbed by ocean water, then the bottoms of the oceans would be brightly lit whenever the sun was up. In reality, they are always pitch dark, if more than a 1000 feet down.

June 18, 2011 1:33 pm

bobc;
I’ve been wondering why this highjack of a thread is drawing as much effort and attention as it is. Perhaps there’s some hope that with gentle enough taps, it will be possible to drive the Knowledge Nail into the Skull of Concrete. Or that a heavy enough hammer will crack it wide open?
I no longer think there’s much hope of either.

Myrrh
June 19, 2011 12:23 pm

Good bye Ira.
Thanks all.

barry
July 3, 2011 4:54 am

There is an inner contradiction in the article.

I am quite sure that Global Warming is REAL…. However, the warming is PARTLY Due to Rising CO2 Levels

Ok, CO2 rise causes some global warming. But later,

Gore was misleading the media and the public when he implied that rising CO2 levels would cause corresponding increases in mean temperatures.

This is a direct contradiction.
It doesn’t matter what causes the rise (industrial emissions or rising global temperatures from other sources [glacial termination]), or if there are lag effects.
Either more atmospheric CO2 = warmer planet or it doesn’t. Not both.

July 5, 2011 12:02 am

barry;
‘Fraid not. “rising CO2 levels would cause corresponding increase” — note the word “corresponding”. I.e., linear and predictable, and substantial. If doubling of CO2 produces about 0.3°C increase, e.g., or even 1.3°C, it has nothing important to do with climate trends, and is not responsible for the warming since the LIA (for which warming, BTW, we should be profoundly thankful; that was the coldest it’s been since the ice sheets went back home to the Arctic.)
CO2 is a bit player, an “attendant lord”, in Shakespeare’s phrase, “one that will do to swell a progress, start a scene or two, advise the prince.”

July 5, 2011 12:05 am

Correction: T.S. Eliot’s phrase, in “Prufrock”. (The Love Song of)

barry
July 5, 2011 8:31 pm

Ira, thanks for replying personally.
I am an ‘astute’ audience. To me Gore’s message is simple – when CO2 rises, so does global temperature. I’m not some gape-mouthed idiot that assumes CO2 and temps rise on some quasi-equivalent scale just because of some visually simplifying choices with the Y axis.
In the ice age records, CO2 rise is ‘PARTLY’ responsible for rising temperatures. This is exactly what you assert regarding the modern temp/CO2 rise. So when you say, “ice core data… has absolutely nothing to say about the current Global Warming”, and “What this shows, if anything, is that TEMPERATURE CAUSES CO2”, and “Gore got the direction of causation backwards” and “the truth is still that the ice core record is of a time when there were no humans to burn fossil fuels, so why did Gore bring it up since it has no relationship to our current situation?”, you are arguing that temperature rise causes CO2 to rise – and NOT the other way around – and that Gore has this causation backwards. This is the opposite of what you later say in your piece. CO2 rise is ‘PARTLY’ responsible for the temperature rise in both periods. Natural influences are different in magnitude and timing (CO2 follows natural forcings in the ice age record), but the basic message is the same.
If I were in your audience, I would put my hand up and ask, “are you saying that rising CO2 causes rising temperature or not? Because it seems to me that Gore is saying it does. As he doesn’t speak about timing or magnitude, the relationship he draws is very simple. You assert he has this simple relationship backwards. But you also assert that rising CO2 will cause higher global temperatures. How do you reconcile this contradiction without leaning on issues that go beyond this simple relationship?”

July 6, 2011 6:29 am

barry;
just so.
I’m afraid I have a special kind of contempt for “lukewarmers”. The paleo record shows LONG [periods] (millions of years) of utter disconnect between CO2 and temperature. To the extent there is any sequence of events, warming precedes CO2 rise, but even that is not consistent.
Yet … lukewarmers are prepared to defer to grossly unrealistic “laboratory physics”, Arrhenius-style, to impose back-radiative forcing on all atmospheric models and theories, albeit with lower sensitivities than Warmists prefer.
But the rats’-nest of plugged (parameterized) unknown factors is somehow not credited with enough influence to resolve the issue. Which is, as you say, that there’s no point in trying to be a little bit pregnant with CO2 forcing, just so Warmists won’t call you bad names.
My advice to all lukewarmists is have the courage to join with M4GW in “I’m a Denier”, and say loud and clear, “It’s just a lie.”
P.S. I know that’s not what you meant. But it’s what what you said means.

Jeff
July 6, 2011 9:25 am

The simple fact is that CO2 “Can” be a powerful greenhouse gas and but only if other natural influences are ignored, it can be shown that CO2 will caus untold devistating effects on the climate. The ugly truth is that when there is more heat in the atmosphere, there is more solar radiation (Heat dissipated into outer space) through water vapor. One natural check and balance to climate regulation.
Second, current CO2 levels are due to volcanic venting of gasses. http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/home/9105-climate-change-paradox-current-co2-levels-are-not-of-anthropogenic-origins Humans only contribute to 3% (three per cent) of CO2 emissions. Te current volcanic eruption alone in Iceland emitted enough CO2 in four days, to negate all the CO2 we tried to sequester and eliminate emissions of in the last ten years. From 600 million years ago to about 1 million years ago, atmospheric CO2 levels have been about 1200 to 1500 ppma average. Only in the last million years has CO2 levels have been so low.
And the book can be closed on the presentation that humans are causing CO2 levels to rise, and that humans need to eliminate all emissions. We would have to live less than caveman lifestyles and have no effective change on the CO2 levels. http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/home/9130-global-warmingclimate-change-paradox-closing-the-book-on-an-illusion
Using nothing but the phrases “if”, “suppose”, and other suggestive phrases is a way that it is shown that humans are destroying the planet. “If” an armored car were to back up to my front door and dump their load into my house, I would not have to ever work again. The “Hockeystick Chart” is a (for a lack of a less blunt word to state what it actually is) lie. That humans are causing CO2 levels to rise is a lie. Humans emit about 30 billion tons of CO2 per year , but there is 1.25 trillion tons emitted naturally, so humans only emit about 3% and only contribute to about 9 to 12 ppma only out of the current 390 ppma.
This is not the first time in history a politician or someone has lied to prove their opinion. Mr. Gore’s new agenda is overpopulation, and thinks something needs to be done to resolve the problem. Mr. Gore has even stated that you “need to exaggerate” the information to get your point across. An exaggeration would be a stretch for what is actually lies.

barry
July 6, 2011 6:46 pm

Brian H,
The deep paleoclimatic records includes the reformation of the continents, which has major impacts for teleconnections, albedo and other climate and weather components. It is difficult to make straight comparisons with the current tectonic configuration. The radiative budget of Gondwanaland Earth is radically different to that of the late quaternary. CO2 plays its greenhouse role in all eras, but in very different circumstances. Late quaternary Ice age shifts are good periods to assess WRT the current situation, because the tectonic configuration is virtually identical.