DEAUVILLE, France: Russia, Japan and Canada told the G8 they would not join a second round of carbon cuts under the Kyoto Protocol at United Nations talks this year and the US reiterated it would remain outside the treaty, European diplomats have said.
The future of the Kyoto Protocol has become central to efforts to negotiate reductions of carbon emissions under the UN’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, whose annual meeting will take place in Durban, South Africa, from November 28 to December 9.
Developed countries signed the Kyoto Protocol in 1997. They agreed to legally binding commitments on curbing greenhouse gas emissions blamed for global warming.
Those pledges expire at the end of next year. Developing countries say a second round is essential to secure global agreements.
But the leaders of Russian, Japan and Canada confirmed they would not join a new Kyoto agreement, the diplomats said.
They argued that the Kyoto format did not require developing countries, including China, the world’s No. 1 carbon emitter, to make targeted emission cuts.
At last Thursday’s G8 dinner the US President, Barack Obama, confirmed Washington would not join an updated Kyoto Protocol, the diplomats said.
The US, the second-largest carbon emitter, signed the protocol in 1997 but in 2001 the then president, George W. Bush, said he would not put it to the Senate for ratification.
Agence France-Press, 29 May 2011
h/t to Dr. Benny Peiser
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walt man says:
“May 29, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Smokey says: May 29, 2011 at 2:54 pm
you stated :“I would love everyone’s standard of living to be brought up to USA. Do you think the world can sustain this level?”
Absolutely, without any doubt. You have everything exactly backward: the richer the country, the less pollution is generated. That is a demonstrable fact, eg: China vs Taiwan and Singapore; North Korea vs South Korea, etc.
The sums:
oil us/day ………………………………..2.10E+07 barrels/day
population of USA is …………………3.08E+08
world population………………………..6.92E+09
World oil Reserves…………………….1.24E+12 barrels
oil/USA person………………………….6.82E-02 barrels/day
assume same in rest of wrld ……..4.72E+08 barrels/day
reserves will last for…………………..2.63E+03 days
This equates to ………………………….7.21 years
So I ask again – Can the world support this?”
Yes, because the real world doesn’t care about faulty logic and bad math. Man has mined gold and diamonds and other scarce stuff, and used oil, for thousands of years, yet here we are, still using. Apparently oil is leaking all natural, and has done so for tens of thousands of years, and the planet still keeps on leaking. So, essentially, it is not the planet that is small. :p
Here we go Canada, here we go!
Finally, logic and reason prevail over lobby groups, fear-mongering, and emotional over-reaction.
Damn. First Osama and then this. I’m buying more lottery tickets!!! 😀
I’m sick of trying to poist tips to the tips page – so from now on it will just be on the most relevant article. Today’s Tip regarding the use of propaganda in Australi – Cate Blanchett and Michael Caton being used as stooges by the Gillard Propaganda Unit. Look it up –
A $20 donation to my favorite Climate site in celebration.
Thank you, Anthony.
I second Bill with his correction of the Fannie/Freddie calumny against Bush, who submitted (or had submitted) 17 separate bills to audit, regulate, and otherwise hold accountable both Fannie and Freddie, only to be stymied by the Dodd/Frank crook duo and their minions every time. I saw the housing debacle coming when credit rules were eased, so I got out of real estate; glad I did. Bush had a clear-eyed view of reality, which is hard for a lot of people to like; but there it was. He tried; had he succeeded, we would be far better off today. His clarity of vision certainly extended to Kyoto.
@Al Gored:
“Have they tried the ‘skeptics are racists’ line yet?”
Yep:
“Climate Racists”
Neil Jones says:
May 29, 2011 at 11:18 am
British Government please note and follow.
Don’t count on it, to many ideological ‘green’ idiots out there, and its a wonderful tax for the gov’t!! To bad too, its a wonderful province.
Don’t be too hard on Australia.
there’s still hope for us yet a while.
The bill to tax carbon dioxide emissions has not been put to parliament yet.
The Green – Labour – Independents coalition are still trying to see how many angels can dance on the head of a very small pea:-
How to punish those wicked poluters and drive them into bankruptcy, without destroying any jobs whatsoever and how to overcompensate the 99.999% of the population who are not the filthy rich and who otherwise many not like costs rising steadily, year after year under this fine new taxing program.
Should not be a problem.
What do you think?
and now for an election in australia with the parties (opposition included) being forced to declare whether or not they intend to commodify carbon dioxide in any form whatsoever. i will never vote for any party who touches CO2.
“If not then how do you propose to level out the inequality.”
Who do I look like, Trotsky?
The Kyoto Protocol was submitted to the US Senate, they ratify US treaties by our constitution. It was voted down 99 against, 1 for ratification. Bill Clinton submitted it. The Presidents signature on a treaty means nothing the US Senate must vote to ratify any treaties.
Since David Cameron is a political and intellectual eunuch I do not anticipate the UK going down this road of common sense any time soon. :0(
walt man says:
May 29, 2011 at 11:40 am
“Some of the comments on this blog simple consider wealth. Where is the consideration for our grand children’s future. You are surely not leaving it to them to sort out our power mess and possibly our GW mess. Very sad”
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The mess being left to the grandchildren is not the threat of a warmer world,
it is the debt load of promises made by our elected officials.
Make no mistake, the debt load will kill more people than any temperature rise.
walt man says:
May 29, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Others have responded to this canard of the ‘sustainability’ crowd, the implication of which is that since we can’t raise everyone up to our standard of living, we should reduce ours to match the lowest common denominator. And what’s that? Mud huts and dung fires? Open sewers, cholera and typhoid, no vaccination? Or perhaps you’ll raise us to the high level of tiny, drab apartments, with daily queues for bread and a measure of spirits, as in the old Eastern Block countries only a few decades ago.
Of course we can raise everyone on Earth to our standards of living, given free markets, private property, individual liberty, and just legal and political systems (no petty tyrannies, brutal dictatorships, nor socialist bureaucracies need apply). As E. M. Smith is fond of pointing out (see his links above), there is and need be no shortage of anything, given human freedom, initiative, and brains.
The key to the future is progress, not regression, and progress means growth, not decline. Progress depends on energy, vast quantities of cheap energy, available to all. We have the means to provide it, if we are not to be hamstrung by Luddites and doomsayers, and the pusillanimous preachments of ‘sustainability’ mongers.
Oh, and by the way, there is plenty of oil, and plenty more to be uncovered. And if we do run out, never fear: we can make more, from coal, from algae, or good substitutes in ways yet undreamed of. Mankind is just beginning to discover its potential, which will be realized not just here on Earth, but in the vast reaches of the Solar System, the Milky Way Galaxy, and beyond. Think small, and bury your head in the sand if you wish. I prefer to look to the stars.
/Mr Lynn
“Latitude says:
May 29, 2011 at 10:31 am
Well, that just hung the UK, New Zealand, and Australia out to dry………..”
Yep,
Brownie point scoring for the UN for one.
Two main reasons why NZ jumped the gun with its ETS.
1. “Wanted to have its head held up high” when attending the Dopenhagen Climate Change Conference. To quote a NZ Govt minister
2. Also ‘fear’ of EU countries blocking and increasing tariffs on NZ exported goods there.
Since the USA isn’t onboard with Kyoto along with Japan, Russia and Canada now. Its time NZ stopped flag waving for Kyoto and scrapped the ETS aswell. Its put NZ at an economic disadvantage. Since our miniscule 0.2% CO2 emissions are just that on the World stage.
Clinton signed onto it in ’97 but the Senate voted 95-0 AGAINST ratifying it. Not a single vote in favor. It had nothing to do with Bush. And the fact that Obama, as “green” a president as we’ve ever had, won’t seriously consider joining a new Kyoto tells you all you need know about how big a waste of time it is.
I see there appear to be restaurants in Svalbard Norway that seem to be advertising polar bear steak on the menu….
Doesn’t help us in British Columbia. We are still paying a stealth “carbon” tax on fuels and the rate will be going up this summer. Meanwhile, Joe Public has his knickers in a twist over the HST, thanks to the local MSM and the hucksters who back them. I would love to see some media attention on how B.C.’s “neutral” (HA!) carbon tax which just might be worse for business than the HST. Instead, all I see are puff pieces promoting the predictive ability of another one of Weaver’s models.
Hey Crispy Clark – want to know how to deflect attention from the HST? Remove the 6% carbon tax I pay for a litre of gasoline. I can guarantee the people of B.C. will notice a difference, especially as we are sliding into a recession as the Canadian housing bubble deflates and releases a huge stink.
Sun Spot;
There’s a number of cherry blossom reconstructions I have links to, not certain which ones you are after:
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~rijs/pdfs/batten.pdf
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/09/09/another-message-from-kyoto/
this one has all the data that the main researcher has collected:
http://www.envi.osakafu-u.ac.jp/atmenv/aono/KyoPhenoTemp4.html
And I think this is the most comprehensive one as it includes the data from several previous studies:
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~wsoon/MiyaharaHiroko08-d/AonoKazui07-Aug23-KyotoSpring.pdf
and if I recall correctly because I haven’t the time to read it again, I think this is the one where they deduce the UHI in Tokyo rather accurately from the cherry blossom data:
http://www.envi.osakafu-u.ac.jp/atmenv/aono/Aono1998.pdf
Sun Spot;
There are other very interesting reconstructions out there. I’m not certain why tree rings which have been so thoroughly debunked still grab the headlines when there are so many other reconstructions out there from all over the world that pretty much show similar pictures. Here’s one from Quebec based on ice bridges correlated to severity of winter. They show 1850 to 1910 as unusualy cold, meaning that current temps are a recovery, not artificial warming:
http://www.mrn.gouv.qc.ca/publications/forets/connaissances/recherche/Houle-Daniel/Journal-climate-757-764.pdf
And here’s a favourite of mine that relies on historical references as well as grape harvest data. Carefully worded so as not to call the tree ring data “bull***t” directly, but close… and they conclude the MWP in Europe was 2 to 3 degrees warmer than the timeframe the study was done in (1980?)
http://www.wsu.hist.unibe.ch/downloads/variations.pdf
There’s also studies out there based on ice break up on lakes and rivers, planting dates of crops, etc. they all have problems in terms of what calendar was in use, what metric was used, etc, but after all that they tend to correlate.
I’ve always wondered if golf courses in Europe had their opening dates recorded by year. Would be interesting if they did being that they ought to go back a long ways, and golf courses would be partially shielded from UHI…unless the city grew around them I suppose…
Re: walt man and sustainability
The sort of argument presented by Walt Man reminds me of several earlier crises but especially the problem of all the horses in urban areas in the mid-to-late 1800s. The thing is that the solution(s) were already being implemented as people and authorities were certain the issue was unsolvable.
http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/578.html
God Bless our Prime Minister. God Bless Canada.
To all you eco-fascist freaks who worship David Suzuki, a big raspberry!!
Jeremy,
I agree, God Bless Canada and Hosers. Wonderful people.
ATTN: TC in BC
Check your nat gas bill. The carbon sin tax is 22% of the commodity price for BC nat gas. I ask folks if they know the tax rate on nat gas , and all say they don’t know. They are quite suprised to learn it is 22% and it will increase to ca 30% on July 1, 2012.
They BC Climate Action Plan is the New Communist Manifesto. Under Phase 2 of the CAP, the BC govt will be regulating the emission of GHG’s from all sources, i.e the BC gov will indirectly seize control of means of production of all goods and services.
They are already redistributing wealth via carbon tax rebates and tax cuts to everyone except for the rich folks in the highest income tax bracket.
Notice how cold it was this spring? This is due inpart to the PDO shifting into a cool phase like it did in 1940. After a lag of 10 years, the climate got really cold after 1950 until the PDO shfted back into the warm phase in ca 1975.
It has been so cold I have yet to see a house fly here in Burnaby.
Mike Bromley says:
May 29, 2011 at 9:36 am
There’s that threatened polar bear again. Doing double duty in front of the Peace Tower in cold, cold Ottawa….
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This really has not much bearing on the article’s topic, but I think the building in the background of the picture is the town hall in Copenhagen ( the flag at the top of the tower is the danish one I think and the building looks very familar to me , an Copenhagen ex-resident ) , so it is probably taken when the Al Gore effect was in full force at the ( in retro ) Global Warming hype funeral that was meant to be somthing quite different by organisers.
As to the Kyoto proptocol , it was evident few months bach when Japan declared it did not want to play the kyototune anymore, that no amount of beating would make the dead horse stand up again, and the only viable ‘realpolitik’ is to admit openly.