DEAUVILLE, France: Russia, Japan and Canada told the G8 they would not join a second round of carbon cuts under the Kyoto Protocol at United Nations talks this year and the US reiterated it would remain outside the treaty, European diplomats have said.
The future of the Kyoto Protocol has become central to efforts to negotiate reductions of carbon emissions under the UN’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, whose annual meeting will take place in Durban, South Africa, from November 28 to December 9.
Developed countries signed the Kyoto Protocol in 1997. They agreed to legally binding commitments on curbing greenhouse gas emissions blamed for global warming.
Those pledges expire at the end of next year. Developing countries say a second round is essential to secure global agreements.
But the leaders of Russian, Japan and Canada confirmed they would not join a new Kyoto agreement, the diplomats said.
They argued that the Kyoto format did not require developing countries, including China, the world’s No. 1 carbon emitter, to make targeted emission cuts.
At last Thursday’s G8 dinner the US President, Barack Obama, confirmed Washington would not join an updated Kyoto Protocol, the diplomats said.
The US, the second-largest carbon emitter, signed the protocol in 1997 but in 2001 the then president, George W. Bush, said he would not put it to the Senate for ratification.
Agence France-Press, 29 May 2011
h/t to Dr. Benny Peiser
As far as oil goes it is all about flow rates and the amount of energy now needed to develop and produce. The world’s oil stocks are depleting and demand is about to overwhelm supply. This will cause recessions and price volatility. There will be times when oil is cheaper than today, but only because demand has been hobbled by recession/depression.
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Walt Man asks: “I would love everyone’s standard of living to be brought up to USA. Do you think the world can sustain this level? If not then how do you propose to level out the inequality.”
Well let’s see some recent stats (from a liberal site) and do some math:
Estimated Global Wealth: 1.945 x 10^14 (USD)
Estimated no. of adults on Earth: 4.4 x 10^9
After Redistribution: $44,204.54 per adult.
So I ask – For how long could the world sustain all this equality?
How long would it take for the multi-set of cardinality 4.4 x 10^9 to become a well-ordered set of same size? – which would have a smallest and largest value?
(Definitions: Multisets may have elements repeated, whereas the elements in a set are unique.)
“Harold Pierce Jr says:
May 29, 2011 at 9:30 pm”
Strange the date for the increase is the same date the Gillard Govn’t claims the carbon tax will start here in Australia. I wonder if it is because by then there will be no doubt the world is in a cooling phase by then?
Great to read that reality is coming back into fashion!
Walt Man asks: “I would love everyone’s standard of living to be brought up to USA. Do you think the world can sustain this level? If not then how do you propose to level out the inequality.”
In fact the world could sustain that level. The higher standard of living comes coupled with a substantive drop in birth rate to the point that the world population would be in decline. Same wealth amongst fewer people = more wealth per person.
As for your second question, why is it the responsibility of the 1st world to redistribute wealth? The failure of the 3rd world to produce wealth is the fault of the third world, not ours. The answer is NOT what can we do to redistribute wealth. The answer is what can the third world do to create it. Some say that is a complicated question, but it isn’t.
All they need do is the same thing the western world did to get rich. Become free market democracies. It isn’t my fault that the 3rd world is rife with theocracies, military dictatorships, monarchies, corruption from top to bottom, tribal warfare, religious warfare, racial warfare, intense discrimination against minorities, women, suppresssion of free speech and I’m sick and tired of the notion that because they are poor, I should give them some of my money to even out the inequalities as if I has some responsibility to do so.
Jim Cripwell says:
May 29, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Second, I, for one, do not regard Bob Rae as a bad Premier. He was unfortunate to be in charge during a financial crisis. He applied all the standard socialist methods to solve the problem, and they did not work. So he applied all the capatilist ideas as to how to solve the problem, and they did work. In doing so, he succeeded in making himself unpopular with just about everyone. My late wife and I once played tennis against Bob and his wife; they were a delightful couple.
Jim.
Premier socialist Bob Ray Killed the Ontario economy and badly affected the Canadian economy as a result. Being a pleasant/delightful F****R that played tennis with you does not mean he’s a good guy he hurt and destroyed a lot of peoples finances and futures with his reckless socialist experiment. Stalin and Hitler were also charming but deadly 60 million dead people can attest to that. Bob Ray the UN loving warmist is still hanging around and a leopard never changes his spots, he is still lurking on the Canadian political scene to create more pain given the chance!!!
Slightly off topic, but Germany really is going blindly down the path of economic ruin. they just announced that they will be shutting down all nuclear plants by 2022 according to a couple of news feeds?
If true, they are nuts. they can’t commit to CO2 reductions and shut down their nuclear power at the same time….unless they are OK with freezing in the dark, planting crops by hand, getting food to market in wheel barrows…
Or did they invent teleporters and forget to tell the rest of us?
Here is an interesting article from Sunday’s Telegraph which I am sure you will be posting shortly. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/8545306/Wind-farms-Britain-is-running-out-of-wind.html
Hilarious as it is, it looks as if they are paving the way for the big climbdown regarding wind power. I like the reference to the Maunder Minimum but strange that they don’t make the conclusion that maybe the climate is cooling not warming.
Have no fear the Guardian has one of it’s ready prepared scripts flying off the press
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/may/29/carbon-emissions-nuclearpower
Oldjim pointed out 9 hours ago that France is NOT one of the countries opting out. Plese correct your headline, because WUWT is getting quoted at the Guardian and elsewhere, and it looks sloppy.
France is bound to obey EU rules on carbon targets, whatever its elected government may want to do. Only democracies like Russia can change their minds at will.
Three things:
1. South Africa is in the southern hemisphere, so it is winter there.
2. Bob Rae was the most incompetent premier of Ontario ever – no one has ever disputed that there, except for the looniest of the looney left.
3. Britain has officially decided to put its faith in wind farms, so unless sense prevails it can now look forward to a generation of brown outs and black outs. Germany has formally given up on nuclear power, so they can expect the same. Some countries, like the four mentioned here, are actually concerned about their economic future, but sadly that is not the case for either Britain or Germany. For these two countries, green hysteria and bad science have taken preference over economic reality.
@davidmhoffer
“Slightly off topic, but Germany really is going blindly down the path of economic ruin. they just announced that they will be shutting down all nuclear plants by 2022 according to a couple of news feeds?
If true, they are nuts. they can’t commit to CO2 reductions and shut down their nuclear power at the same time….unless they are OK with freezing in the dark, planting crops by hand, getting food to market in wheel barrows…”
We see through several glasses, darkly. Leaders of countries are in a bind – they want to take the most cost-effective decisions, but they don’t want to upset large Special Interest Groups like environmentalists. So they tend to make pronouncements which can be taken in several different ways depending on your political persuasion.
Then the media take those ambiguous pronouncements and put their own spin on their articles, using partial reporting where possible. They need to pander to their readers prejudices, and they don’t have to take any decisions at all, so they can be much more extreme.
It is quite possible for a politician to make a speech which would be hailed a victory for the right wing, left wing and centrists simultaneously. Really good politicians’ speech-writers can manage that quite often….
Oh no!, not again!! Doom, gloom, disaster!!!
Worst ever carbon emissions leave climate on the brink
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/may/29/carbon-emissions-nuclearpower#history-link-box
Well done Anthony,
it may not be the end, but it certainly the end of the beginning.
All that really remains to be known is “how long”, before we can say this is “over”.
The wheels of government turn very slowly (or to put it another way, it is like a dinosaur … kick it between the legs and years later the nerve impulse finally reaches the tiny brain and its says “owww”). I was a supporter of global warming in 2000, and I know how very very long it seemed for any kind of meaningful response given the “evidence”. Now, that the government machinery is in motion I don’t see it being stopped easily, it certainly won’t be months but how many years even decades to stop it?
well done to Anthony and others who put their time and credibility into ensuring this fraud was exposed. Well done to those politicians who have had the courage to acknowledge their mistakes. A suggestion to Anthony, if moderation is practised then keep this blog a sience blog in its true sense. If not true moderates will look elsewhere.
@Peter Miller: Yes, it’s currently winter in the southern hemisphere, but it won’t be in November.
davidmhoffer says:
May 29, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Golf courses close in the winter? Sheesh, just another good reason to move to Oz where they are open all year round!
Harold Pierce Jr says:
May 29, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Houses fly in Burnaby? Wow! That must be Global Warming causing that….
No. Learn how to do actual reporting. The United States did NOT sign the Kyoto Protocol. Al Gore, with no Constitutional authority, signed the Kyoto Protocol. The United States NEVER signed anything. And this is the best part – Al Gore couldn’t even abide by the accord he signed in his own personal life.
Kyoto was always an essentially European project, with the reluctant participation of Canada and Japan. Even if Asian and African countries signed on, they never had any reduction target, thus no effort needed on their part. With Canada and Japan out, the only countries with targets are European. This makes it a purely European project, which they are trying to ram through everybody’s throat using their moral perceived moral high ground. European history is known for their ideological tendencies, that often leads to disaster. Enough with all that.
pat says: May 29, 2011 at 10:38 am
This leaves NZ, Australia, and the UK as the last of the true believers of any consequence
CRAP
We are not true believers. We developed the sanitation system for the good of man (and woman)-kind. So as they can go about their daily business in towns, in comfort and necessarily not inflict faecal-borne disease on all and sundry in a civilised manner.
If we are forced to sell our crap in lieu of a defunct carbon and previously the welfare exchange because populous under-developing nations now decide that sh*t is a commodity instead of real development then we will not be happy at all.
And tyrants that have their succour from AusAid and World Aid music will begin to REALLY know that the enlightenment era leapt from the caves to establish a world of freedoms for the individual and not unique band or grand-stands with electricity for amplifiers and metal-stringed guitars.
‘…Human faeces (properly composted) should also be recognised as an economic commodity and not a waste product. The Chinese have known this for centuries, and only now are other nations catching up….’
source: http://www.source.irc.nl/page/53548
Shame they forgot about the industries mining and belching ‘carbon’ apparently to sustain their population and consort with tyrants in Africa, Pacific and Latin America.
Rio +20 and Agenda 21
http://www.source.irc.nl/page/63776
Harold Pierce Jr, TC in BC and all other British Colombians.
The only Political Party in BC to commit to getting rid of the carbon tax is the John Cummins and the BC Conservatives.
Check them out. http://bcconservative.ca/
Cheers
@ur momisugly Walt man
“Where is the consideration for our grand children’s future.”
How can you recognise a willing idiot enviro-mentalist?
They are always wailing on about the poor grandchildren.
Give it a rest with the incessant wailing, it is getting to be very irksome.
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walt man says:
May 29, 2011 at 3:59 pm
So I ask again – Can the world support this?
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Of course it can. Just use electricity, gaseous fuels or even steam-power (which can burn anything) for vehicles. Petroleum would become a relative bit player.
Not by the Cuban model.