It seems that the media down under is turning on newly appointed climate change commissioner Tim Flannery and his ideas. We need a Flannery FAIL blog to keep track of all of these. Have a look:
Read the full article here
This question posed to Flannery sent me reeling for the sheer irony of the question coming from an MSM inquiry:
ABCNewswatch yesterday:
Dear Prof Flannery, Is your continued support of the Blitzkrieg theory for the extinction of Australia’s megafauna (an increasingly marginal theory lying outside the current consensus of mainstream science that claims humans were solely responsible for the extinction of Australia’s megafauna) and apparent ignorance of the overwhelming evidence supporting the long-term role played by changing climate in the decline of the megafauna, a sign that you are a climate change denier?
Wow.
h/t to Marc Hendrickx
The world as we know it is doing a flip flop…
George Monbiot’s own science bites him in the rear…..
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/04/04/evidence-meltdown/
….and he has an epiphany over it
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/21/pro-nuclear-japan-fukushima
Ian L. McQueen said @ur momisugly April 11, 2011 at 4:06 pm
George-
I wasn’t able to use the URL that you provided and I’d like to read Bolt’s column. Any suggestions?
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/
Further to my last comment there is the ‘naive’ argument. All bases covered!
Naive saber-toothed tiger anyone? ;O)
ABC News Watch, is not connected with the ABC. It is critical of the ABC, hence its title.
http://abcnewswatch.blogspot.com/2011/04/cut-and-pasted.html
@ur momisugly Ian L. McQueen
He somehow combined the link below with the link to this page. Try it like this.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/flannerys_new_rule_the_only_good_scientist_is_one_who_votes_left/
Once the “sharks” (i.e. MSM) get a taste for warmist blood, they’ll suddenly realise that there’s an awful lot of very exposed soft underbellies just ripe for a nibble.
Or to put it another way, when the MSM suddenly realise that making a mockery of global warmists sells newspaper/airtime – and they realise just how easy it is to make of mockery of this crowd – nothing is going to stop them.
Flannery has also supported the idea that humans have been changing earth T since agriculture started, making hte earth warmer by releasing c02 since 10,000BC. So the great warm interglacial is human driven, apparently.
In the book the future eaters, he also says Australia shouldnt bother about mineral resources and exploraiton, because it is a ‘one off’ that once ‘gone’ wont support Australia’s economy. In other words, like most left-leaning academics, he doesnt understand the nature and size of mineral resources, that they are cyclical and most mineral commodities cant in fact ‘run out’, one just mines slightly lower grade ore, which increases exponentially in size with successively lower grade ore. For the next 10,000 years Australia’s mineral resources will continue-we have at least 10,000 years of, for example, aluminium.
His support of the human impact on Australia’s megafaunal extinctions is well documented, and so that has got him in trouble with the ‘climate change everything’ academics, and a taste of what skeptics of AGW put up with. Interesting to see how it pans out.
With Flannery, the old curse of all social systems, from politics to science, applies: the more extreme one is, the more one tends to rise within a social group, and the more one then departs from science and common sense.
If man was alive around 65 millions years ago Warmists would have blamed man for the extinction of the dinosaurs.
A couple of points:
1. Flannery is a moron, but he’s right about megafauna run to extinction by human hunters and their dogs and rats. Of course climate evolution may have assisted the process, especially by lowering sea levels to allow humans to colonize Australia and Tasmania so early in human prehistory in the first place.
2. The myth that aboriginal peoples lived in perfect harmony with nature is the PC orthodoxy as the Green/Labor government ask Australians to surrender their current lifestyles for a “sustainable” one. Nothing is more sustainable then living naked in tall grass. Well, unless you start to eat all the little critters around you. So MSM attack on Tim for not towing the Noble Savage Orthodoxy is just a case of the though police regulating ideological purity within their own party.
3. The media has given Tim Flannery’s moonbatry an amazing pass for years now. This man has some truly dangerous ideas about how to organize modern society more like ant societies to limit dissent and individual liberties. It much convenient for us to immerse ourselves into the emergent super-organism of Gaia without all the noisy debate that occurs in a democracy.
4. This is what happens when media bias favours pseudo-scientific humbug by protecting it from exposure for years, then suddenly the moonbats rises to national prominence where their glaringly crazy POV can no longer be covered for by friendly hack media. The MSM helps create the Tim’s and Al’s and Barack’s of the world by not doing its journalistic duty and vigorously exposing their ideas to the light of day early on in their careers. Instead, the Flannery’s of the world arrive at high position with ideas that have never under gone serious scrutiny. And we wonder why so many of the left’s leaders and IDEAS totally fail.
“It seems that the media down under is turning… :
There’s nothing new in a headline in Murdoch’s Australian slamming Flannery. Just see Tim Lambert’s The Australian’s War on Science parts 1 to 60.
And as mentioned, ABCNews Watch is not MSM. It’s an anti-ABC site.
The sudden disappearance of mega-fauna is more likely due to an extraterrestrial cause.
@ur momisugly King of Cool April 11 4:37 pm
“Can some-one pls do a paint box reconstruction of Tim Flannery as Indiana Jones with felt hat and leather whip in hand?” No whip, but have you seen Simon’s effort?
http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/
http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2011/03/abbott-pounces-on-flannerys-flannel/
“No offence. I do not like to ridicule but I do like a laugh sometimes.” The nutball is costing Aussie taxpayers dearly, King. He’s fair game.
“(NB. It is an ABC Science production)” Did you mean “Warning” rather than “NB”?
A new noun, the Bear suggests:
`To Flannery’:`To speak whatever utter nonsense as will keep one popular with the left-progressive-book-buying mob.’
100m Sea level Williams with 1000 year Flannery talking about the new supercolonies (global government?)
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2011/01/ssw_20110101_1205.mp3
Transcript
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2011/3101365.htm
If megafauna were not meant to be eaten by early humans – why were they made of meat?
Megafauna have a right to survive and flourish without the terrible predations of mankind. I propose that the United Nations should step in with a “Save the Megafauna” fund.
This charity for a noble cause can raise funds from the good people of the world to create natural reserves were Megafauna such as the Mastadon and the Giant Wombat can frolic in peaceful co-existence with the rest of the natural world.
These reserves could also be used to educate the young on how Megafauna live in a natural balance with nature – a lesson we could all learn. I’m sure that the sight of a female Mastadon giving birth in a natural setting would be quite awe inspiring – especially for the young and impressionable.
I’m rather surprised that it has taken this long for this idea to be be raised. where’s the WWF, where’s Greenpeace, where’s PETA? If you can save a whale – surely you can save a Giant Wombat.
We must act before the plight of the Megafauna get’s any worse, I implore you all – act now before it is too late… Save the Megafauna!
“The world as we know it is doing a flip flop…
George Monbiot’s own science bites him in the rear…..”
One just might begin to wonder if George has been pushing global warming to aid in moving the nuclear option forward by the back door – by getting rid of coal and oil – so that people would have to turn to nuclear – once they discovered wind didn’t work. Then, after japan he had to come clean and announce where he stood on nuclear.
ABC NEWS WATCH is not anti ABC. We are in fact a true friend of the organisation. The sort of true friend prepared to tell you that:
“yes, come to think of it, your bottom does look awfully big in that skirt.”
The sort of friend prepared to tell you: “yes, your breathe does smell rather off, perhaps you should try a mintie.”
The sort of friend not inclined to provide an honest assessment when you ask “How do you think I went?”
The sort of friend that, thanks to pointing out your most obvious of flaws no longer gets invited around for dinner; but one happy to know the thanks will come in the long term.
ABC NEWS WATCH is not anti ABC. We are in fact a true friend of the organisation. The sort of true friend prepared to tell you that:
“yes, come to think of it, your bottom does look awfully big in that skirt.”
The sort of friend prepared to tell you: “yes, your breathe does smell rather off, perhaps you should try a mintie.”
The sort of friend inclined to provide an honest assessment when you ask “How do you think I went?”
The sort of friend that, thanks to pointing out your most obvious of flaws no longer gets invited around for dinner; but one happy to know the thanks will come in the long term.
I have a Native American Ancestor- my Granma. My wife too, has a notable one-
Pocahontas. Direct descendant. I’ve had Greenies and New Agers go all gooey over
our native blood. As if somehow imbues us with this extra spirtual/land/connection
Ok. they are right. My Granma:
1. Single handed-for the most part, ran a 5,000 acre cattle ranch.
– close to the land.
2. Could ride ,shoot, and rope, with any man. More land connection.
3. Devout Lutheran- there’s the spiritual, Ok?
4. She was politically active- a Republican…
I’ve had the above Greenies and New Agers stare blankly at that announcement.
kind of like a Goldfish in a tank…
I love all this unravellling.
I can’t tell you how sick to death I am of reading about scientists passing themselves off as idiots. I’ve decided to embrace it for my own good health.
Don’t be shy, guys, if you’re an idiot, flaunt it. Look where it got the Team? They’re cheerfully misguiding the economies of all the major global powers and getting paid for it.
Latitude says: April 11, 2011 at 4:39 pm
The world as we know it is doing a flip flop…
George Monbiot’s own science bites him in the rear…..
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/04/04/evidence-meltdown/
The link is to a debate/discussion between Monbiot and Dr Helen Caldicott, an idol of the anti-nuke movement. I’m surprised she’s still around and pounding the drum.
Many years ago as a charter pilot, I flew her to Iowa where she was giving a speech. We had an interesting discussion, as I had just left the Air Force where I was a B-52 pilot. She didn’t convince me, and from the article above, she wasn’t able to convince George, ether.
Monbiot did an admirable dissection of her assertions –
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/04/04/interrogation-of-helen-caldicotts-responses/
Douglas DC (April 11) says, and says it well! Loved it, Doug.
When will they get to New Zealand to try to spin those extinctions into some climate story? Good luck with that.
Actually climate change is a major reason for many species in NZ being on the brink. It’s too cold for them.
The Kauri, for example, would like it much warmer. Like it used to be.
rbateman says:
April 11, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Neanderthals not guilty in this case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthals
However, they may have left us more than one trait.
http://www.rdos.net/eng/asperger.htm
http://www.rdos.net/eng/