Dr. Ball at left, Dr. Mann at right
This is a scheduled auto-post done from my hotel WiFi last night.
This below sent to me by John O. Sullivan on behalf of Dr. Tim Ball. Like with the Sydney rally I posted on earlier, I have no dog in the fight. I’m just passing this on for interested readers with this comment: While the allegedly libelous phrase at issue is not repeated here, I find it amazing and ironic that Dr. Michael Mann is making the effort to sue about it.
Due to the extra attention Dr. Mann has attracted with the lawsuit, the exposure of the phrase is now far and above what it was when originally posted on the Canadian website. I didn’t even know of it until the lawsuit was announced. I’ve had far worse things said about me in this climate debate turned ugly, and the best legal advice I’ve seen given to public figures in the news business is that they generally are not successful when suing for alleged slander/libel, especially for something that is a critical opinion piece with what appears to be a satirical joke line. Criticism and satire in an opinion piece are generally hard to challenge legally in the USA, though it is different in Canada. In Canada, the law is broader. Even so, I don’t think Dr. Mann or his attorney are going to be prepared for the demands of discovery on this one, nor do I think he will prevail in his lawsuit, based on similar failed actions I’ve seen against anchors and reporters in the TV news business when challenged by a public figure. Whether Dr. Mann realizes it or not, he is probably the most well known public figure in climate science next to Al Gore and Dr. James Hansen.
But, buy popcorn, and if so inclined, there’s a link to help out Dr. Ball.
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Top Climate Skeptic Seeks Help in Double-barrel Courtroom Shootout
By John O. Sullivan
Esteemed climate scientist, Tim Ball faces two costly courtroom libel battles. Here he reveals his concerns and appeals for help with his legal fees.
Dr. Tim Ball is widely recognized as one of Canada’s first qualified climate scientists and has long been one of the most prominent skeptics taking a stand on corruption and unethical practices. Two exponents of the global warming scare Ball has targeted, professors Michael Mann and Andrew Weaver, are now suing him for libel.
Many suspect the David Suzuki Foundation is funding Vancouver libel specialist, Roger D. McConchie who is representing both Weaver and Mann against Ball. Suzuki is reported as wanting skeptics like Ball “put in prison.”
Savvy skeptics suspect that Ball, a 72-year-old pensioner, was singled out as a target because he has no big corporate backers and will capitulate under the emotional and financial strain before the case even gets to trial as his legal fees spiral. Such a fate befell Ball in a prior libel suit in 2006.
But buoyed by the public sympathy Ball is now gaining he is confident an appeal for donors will make all the difference. He is adamant that this is the perfect opportunity skeptics have been waiting for to expose climate change fraud in a court of law and he won’t be bounced out of this most crucial contest.
Below Dr. Ball (TB) speaks frankly to John O’Sullivan (JOS).
INTERVIEW
JOS: Now that you’ve been hit with two very expensive libel suits in quick succession rumors are mounting that well-funded environmentalists are now intent on using the law to kill off free speech in the climate debate. Would you agree with this assessment?
TB: I am not aware of specific evidence of such a campaign or the financing. The practice of bringing lawsuits has been going on for some time but it was spasmodic. More recently, that is over the last year or so, it has increased, particularly with the charges by Weaver through McConchie against the National Post. One change was the addition of important people to the Suzuki Board back in 2009, such as John Lefebvre, but also included Westport Innovation CEO Elaine Wong, that brought additional money as Chris Horner pointed out. Another addition to the Board was equally disturbing, not because of the money but because of the compromise of integrity. George Stroumboulopolos is the host of a weekly program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC).
Other increased activities centered on publication of Hoggan and Littlemore’s book Climate Cover Up. This book includes attacks on specific people including me. It makes the usual list of false charges including that I am paid by the oil companies. Then there was Weaver’s book Keeping Our Cool: Canada in a warming World, with a cover note by Suzuki that says, A gripping narrative, this should be the final alarm.
JOS: Desmogblog, funded by the Suzuki Foundation, has been ‘showcasing’ such legal attacks on scientists like you. Do you fear this new trend towards litigation is the inevitable course for the climate debate, and if so do you see any positive outcome for science?
TB: As noted above this is not new litigation but the intensity has increased. As you also know, people like Fred Singer received such threats a few years ago like me. I have mixed feelings about the activities. Personally it is intimidating because of the costs involved if nothing else. Legally it is a threat to free speech and, in my opinion, a misuse of the law to silence open debate. What has been interesting is the cultural reaction to the legal challenges. Americans immediately recognize it as a threat to free speech, while Canadians are slower to acknowledge that threat. In the long term I think exposure of these tactics, particularly in the context that they are losing the scientific debate will backfire. It will be seen for what it is a use of the law as a form of ad hominem attacks.
I am also concerned that the credibility of science in general is in jeopardy because too many scientists, including Suzuki, Weaver, Mann and others have been involved directly or indirectly in the process.
JOS: You obtained your doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College way back in 1983 before much of the hype began about global warming. Yet your critics deride you as a “shill for ‘Big Oil”’ paid to ‘attack’ Weaver, Mann and the IPCC. Is that true?
TB: This is absolutely false. Here is the story. Several years ago a group of professional people in Alberta, including engineers, hydrologists, geologists were very angry about the bad science involved in climate research a particularly through the IPCC and the Kyoto Protocol. We met at Calgary Airport and out of that came the group Friends of Science (FOS). Their problem was they were based in Calgary, Alberta, the Canadian centre of the oil industry. Also some of them, because of their expertise had worked in the oil patch. I warned them to focus solely on the science and to make sure all funding was at arms length. They did both, with funding being handled through the University of Calgary. I acted as an adviser and contributed articles as well as spoke a couple of times at their AGMs.
David Anderson, The Minister of Natural resources said that all Canadian climate experts had been consulted on the Kyoto Protocol. Eight of us, all climate experts traveled to Ottawa and held a press conference to say we had not been consulted. The Minister counteracted us by announcing that he would release the governments Kyoto policy in the house at the same time as the press conference. This was amazing since no previous mention was made despite questions by the media. His move had the effect of drawing away virtually all media attention.
I received $800 for travel and expenses and incorrectly thought FOS paid it. Subsequently it turned out that it was paid by APCO a PR company. Then it was disclosed that FOS had received a donation of, as I recall $12,000 from an energy company. It was I understand about 7% of their total donations, the rest was from private citizens. Very quickly my belief that I was paid by FOS was converted to the charge that I was therefore in the pay of FOS who were in the pay of the oil companies. The fact that $800 was about 6% of the $12,000 was of no consequence. The issue, as it appears with everything they do is to take something and distort ti or use it out of context knowing that once it is out there is not pulling it back. Hoggan’s skills as PR expert are manifest. It is also why I find it amusing that the very property of the Internet they exploit is being attacked by McConchie in his charges against the National Post on behalf of Weaver and his demand that I contact web sites that have repeated my article. The futility of that exercise was that most were not interested and also some of the sites they listed indicated they had merely Googled keywords and came up with completely inappropriate places like a tennis site apparently because my name is ball.
JOS: If Weaver and Mann have been given a ‘blank check’ to use expensive lawyers against you are you and your attorney confident you can win, and if so why?
TB: I am confident that if it comes down to a science debate I can carry the day. I am encouraged in this because to date all have consistently refused or avoided debate. I base this claim on the almost five year challenge the cross-Canada Roy Green radio show has held out for someone to debate, with no takers. My lawyer’s main concern is whether I can afford the defense. The problem is I have no choice because if I don’t respond or say I was completely at fault they would pursue damages for defamation and all costs.
I am also confident that my lawyer says that all charges of defamation are unfounded and the only error was the incorrect claim that Weaver had resigned from the IPCC. I believe it was an honest mistake because the information was provided in the article with citations. We have acknowledged and pre-emptively apologized for this error.
JOS: Who is paying your legal bills?
TB: I am. I have paid out about $10,000 so far and am rapidly depleting my savings, these are meager because the only research funding I received during my career was from the National Museum of Canada. This occurred primarily because my research of reconstructing past climate records was deemed historical climatology. At that time it did not fit the very definitive line between Arts and Science research. The museum understood the problem.
JOS: I’ve heard you’ve started your new blog and you’ll be selling climate science pamphlets to help raise donations to pay your legal fees. Is this true?
TB: Yes. I had worked through other blogs and web pages to date, but disappointments, including being fired from a magazine that I wrote a column for monthly for 17 years led me to go it alone. The firing was just one of many instances where I know from direct reports that it was due to pressure on management because of my skeptical views. The blog allows me control and the opportunity to point out what is wrong with many of the stories appearing in the media. I am planning a series of booklets of about 80 to 100 page in length that provide explanations of major issues in the debate. The idea is that they are short, will fit in a pocket, and deal with one issue at a time. Since they will appear as a series people will be able to have in hand the answers to major issues in the debate in language that non-scientists can understand. I hope to sell these booklets through the web site and use the money to offset the legal costs. Meanwhile we continue to survive on pensions (wife and mine) and small amounts made from public presentations.
JOS: You have recently been working to expose the vast discrepancies between what the IPCC science reports say and what is in the IPCC Summary for Policymakers. Is this an important area of attack for skeptics?
TB: Yes. The science report itemizes all the problems including limitations of data, lack of understanding of mechanisms compounded in the inadequacies of the computer models. The public perception is that the IPCC science is solid and certain that human CO2 is causing global warming and climate change. The difference between the public perception and what the Science report attest is deliberately achieved by the structure of the IPCC system that has a Summary for Policymakers released before the Science report is available. It is understandable that the Mainstream Media and the public are unaware of the differences but it is not credible that the scientists involved are unaware. Their silence is deafening.
JOS: What else has really struck a chord with you in the Great Global Warming Debate?
TB: People find it hard to believe that the entire world could be so easily misled by so few people. They, particularly Maurice Strong, established control of all government weather agencies by co-opting the World Meteorological Organization. This gave them control of data collection and archives within each nation then its global dissemination. Each national weather agency controlled politicians and funding of research. They directed funding to one side of the science debate thus allowing later the circular arguments that claims that most scientists and most publications prove the science. The national agencies also determined who served on the IPCC thus providing complete control. The group of scientists who controlled the entire process became so small that Professor Wegman was able to name names in his report to the US Congress. As he demonstrated, they controlled the peer-review process thus allowing them to further control the publication process.
JOS: What has been toughest part of your skeptic’s journey so far?
TB: It is very difficult, especially when you have paid such a high price financially, emotionally, and in people’s public and personal views. It is not easy when your children, wife and friends hear a radio person say, “Oh, Tim Ball, he is that nut job paid by the oil companies that doesn’t believe in climate change.” It is not easy when people tell you that you are a fool for not using your knowledge and abilities to go with the flow and make a lot of money. As someone said after Climategate it must be nice to be vindicated. I replied there is no pleasure in I told you so. It is not easy when you are very aware of the sacrifices your family has been subjected to because you are determined to demand proof and the truth. As Voltaire said, It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong.
Thank you, Dr. Ball and good luck with the fund raising for both your cases.
Visit Dr. Ball’s site ‘A Different Perspective’ where you can read more of Tim’s expert insight and donate to his legal fund that is being handled independently by the Frontier Centre and Tim’s attorney (‘Donate’ button is in top right corner of Tim’s page).
Note: Donors will be issued with a tax receipt on request.

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Funny thing about the “Streisand Effect”: not only can it start to involve double-exponential statistics of extremes with regard to numbers, it also encourages those who have donated (or promised to) to donate more when they read the silly negative comments.
Paraphrasing a poster above, “I’m a big-cheese, and I don’t care what Mann has done, might do, could do, should have done, I’ll stick with him come hell or high water. And the point of my remark is that I’m a big-cheese, and realists aren’t.”
What is more interesting here, perhaps, than the “Streisand Effect” is the well known “Herd Effect”, now almost implicit or explicit in many university curricula. Graduates from our “schools” of higher learning often demonstrate their mimesis with exceptional clarity.
I’ll say it again… Dr. Ball is a good guy, a really good guy. As for the Weaver, Mann, Suzuki types, well, it doesn’t take much reading or observing to make an opinion.
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David Ball says:
“As is evidenced above, some people actually bought into that.”
I believe the general definition is that because a lot is the number of people who wants to be told what’s what instead of having the courage to actually taking the time to read for themselves so as to do their own thinking for themselves.
Personally I call em crazed hippies that wouldn’t stand up for themselves, let alone anyone else, if nobody “authoritarian” told ’em to.
Donation from Oz is traveling the ether to Dr Ball’s fund.
From Deltoid:
“Thanks Stewart @148.
Aah, yes Tim Ball. The man just does not know when to stop discrediting himself– even the uber right wing Calgary Herald won’t touch him after the fiasco you referred to. Most recent example of Ball shooting himself in the foot was when he spoke to students at UofVic in Canada. Ball was expecting a gullible and friendly crowd, was he ever wrong. The students set him straight.
IMHO, Dr. Weaver has a solid case. There are just so many blatant falsehoods in Corcoran’s and Foster’s pieces that it will be difficult for the judge to dismiss all of them. These “journalists” should be fired. Gunter too. And maybe that will happen if and when the Toronto Star buys out the NP.
Posted by: MapleLeaf | April 24, 2010 5:08 PM”
Fro Real Climate “O’Donnellgate” Feb 2011 by Eric Steig
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/02/odonnellgate/
“MapleLeaf says:
9 Feb 2011 at 4:59 PM
Shouldn’t the quoted text read as follows (see square brackets for suggested changes)?
“will help more people see what the steadily growing list of other scientists who’ve been [falsely] accused by McIntyre”
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“to speculate that their may be truth in the [false] allegations made over the years against Mike Mann…”
Wish we could see those emails sent to Eric from the CA gang….
What a mess….if this had played out in Canada, Eric would have grounds to sue for libel.
[Response: As I may well do. I’m a Canuck, it turns out.–eric]”
From
https://shewonk.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/denial-chum-curry-style/
MapleLeaf says on Jan 21 2011
“J Bowers,
Alas, I do not think Weaver’s case has been decided. The article Willard linked to was a groveling (but sincere it seems) apology by the CFP for allowing a piece to go to print in which Tim Ball made libelous and fallacious statements about Weaver. And I see that Stephen McIntyre is only too happy to allow people to make equally defamatory and false statements about Weaver on his blog. By doing so, McIntyre is endorsing what Tim Ball is saying, not to mention aiding and abetting him.
Re Steig and O’Donnell– now, now J Bowers had McIntyre stated what you suggest he would have been speaking the truth, and you know he does not do that very much ;)”
Quoting MapleLeaf at Deltoid, Policy Lass, and Real Climate.
hengav, you are so credible. I can’t stand it.
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Besides the ‘censored file’, besides the evidence Steve has of a conspiracy to support the hockey stick and to ‘hide the decline’, there is also email evidence of Mann being complicit in a conspiracy to delete emails and foil FOIA requests.
There is a pattern of behaviour for which the legal device of discovery was tailor made. Michael Mann may well be faced with dropping this suit, or incriminating himself further.
I think this lawsuit is evidence of further breakdown of Mann’s morale. This suit is a big mistake, and he is ill advised to pursue it. I’d feel sorry for him if I didn’t feel sorrier for his victims.
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By the way, any here who are not familiar with SheWonk, the Policy Lass, please follow hengav’s link @ur momisugly 4:11 PM. This post, about Judith Curry, is a particularly scurrilous introduction to the Policy Lass and her trained puppies. Read it, and weep for them.
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kim
Care I not of the Source
The intent is credible.
kim says: April 9, 2011 at 3:36 pm
OK, Kim, I read it. Can you please give a brief summary of who actually did what? A haiku will do, but be precise.
T.C. says:
April 9, 2011 at 11:01 am
Heck, I’ve worked with a “research scientist” who had nothing but a B.Sc. to his name (and had a respectable publication record to boot) and with technicians who had earned their post-docs. Plenty of Canadian campuses used people with B.A.s as professors in the past and all universities think nothing of tenured professors handing over their teaching duties to grad students – who are essentially un-tenured professors without a graduate degree. If Dr. Ball started out teaching with an undergrad degree and worked his way up to a Ph.D. – well that’s just fine as far as I am concerned. It earns him more respect from me
Well the timeline of his career means that to have taught at U of Winnipeg for 28 years means that he started teaching before he received his B.A., remarkable even with your rather elastic definition of a professor. Of course that would also mean that he was a professor there while earning his M.A. at the U of Manitoba and PhD at Queen Mary College.
hengav says:
April 9, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Weaver has sued, but there has been no decision yet, so it also premature to say he has been “successful”.
Unless the following is a forgery Ball published an apology to Weaver for “untrue statements about Dr Andrew Weaver” about a month ago.
http://futurefastforward.com/images/stories/current/ApologyFromTimBall.pdf
David Ball says:
April 9, 2011 at 2:55 pm
They were hoping that no one would find out the truth. As is evidenced above, some people actually bought into that.
Based on the court papers it was your father who was “hoping that no one would find out the truth”, and a court who couldn’t subtract 70 from 96.
Amino acids in meteorites,
Jo Nova has a recent up date, they are still on their farm and will get their day in court. Some heads will roll if they win. Then they will have the right to sue for compensation.
Nick
The difference between Ball suing Johnson vs. Weaver (with the late addition of Mann) suing Ball?
Three words Nick – “hide the decline.”
Upon those words rest the following policy that has gouged B.C. taxpayers:
1) A billion dollars in taxes spent by a scientifically illiterate premier on provincial government “greenhouse” initiatives in 2008 – 2009;
2) Twenty-five million tax dollars spent on Pacific Carbon Trust, a carbon credit trading scam with no oversight, much like the defunct Chicago carbon exchange and the mafia infested European carbon exchange;
3) The establishment of a $95 million provincial government slush fund for well- connected AGW activists, again with no oversight (perhaps it is being used for lawsuits?);
4) A further 6 cents a litre gasoline tax on top of what I am already paying for a litre of gasoline.
Not to mention all the AGW lobbyists infesting local government and being paid with tax dollars.
My bet is still on Tim Ball.
Three words come to mind. Grasping at straws. Sorta sad really. Why not debate the science instead of grasping at straws. What is the motivation to crush someone who just wants equal time? Unless it is not about the science. Nick?
All this because climate scientists have been unable (unwilling? ) to list the uncertainties of their work. At least not where Joe Public can see it. Is this not the crux of the matter? It is unethical to bury the uncertainties, or worse, pretend they don’t exist.
Donation moving through the ether now. Took an undergrad course from Dr. Ball at the U of W a number of years ago. Great guy who cared about his students and even facilitated summer job interviews with prospective employers.
Dr. Ball contributed to my learning many years ago. Hopefully this donation (and potentially others to follow) will assist him in his fight to protect all of us from those who politicize and abuse the justice system.
DLTBSGYD Dr. Ball.
Regards,
David Ball says: April 9, 2011 at 8:14 pm
“Why not debate the science instead of grasping at straws. What is the motivation to crush someone who just wants equal time? Unless it is not about the science. Nick?”
David, the case is not about debating science. The case is about your father’s proposal that Mann should be in the state penitentiary.
Nick, have you ever read what has been printed about my father? Shall I trot some out for you? Your boyos are gonna have to grow a few extra layers of dermis. Total legal frivolity.
Actually Phil, the definition of professor IS rather elastic, and although I wish I could take credit for the definition, I really can’t do so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor
Tell you what, why don’t you start dealing with the statement of claim from the current lawsuit between Ball and Weaver instead of trying to deflect attention onto a meaningless issue? Then lets see where that goes! I (as well as the other two people left in this string) am getting tired of your rather limited quibble over whether someone was called professor, sessional instructor, lecturer, reader or whatever. If you think it is such an issue, why not sue Ball yourself? And then come back and tell us how it went.
Now I must get back to my professing on other blogs around the planet.
Herr Doktor Professor T.C., lecturer to AGW wankers.
What about the term “denier”? A less slanderous there is not!!! Suzuki called my father a denier in the media eons ago. You call us all “deniers”. JFK Jr. has called for skeptics imprisonment countless times.
David Ball says:
April 9, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Don’t worry, Phil.’s just not smart enough. It’s not his fault.
Nick, either, apparently.
Mark
How would you feel if the shoe were on the other foot and you were the one whose research went against the “consensus”? You would hope that your voice were to at least be heard and the evidence weighed fairly. Wouldn’t you?
There I go being all “idealistic” again, ………
I have been following Dr. Ball for some time now. It’s too bad that there are so few scientists with the gumption to tell the truth about the climate change industry. I applaud all those who do so. Dr. Ball deserves our support against the powerful forces that are persecuting him. Donation sent. Good luck.