Help asked for Dr. Tim Ball in legal battle with Dr. Mann

Dr. Ball at left, Dr. Mann at right

This is a scheduled auto-post done from my hotel WiFi last night.

This below sent to me by John O. Sullivan on behalf of Dr. Tim Ball. Like with the Sydney rally I posted on earlier, I have no dog in the fight. I’m just passing this on for interested readers with this comment: While the allegedly libelous phrase at issue is not repeated here, I find it amazing and ironic that Dr. Michael Mann is making the effort to sue about it.

Due to the extra attention Dr. Mann has attracted with the lawsuit, the exposure of the phrase is now far and above what it was when originally posted on the Canadian website. I didn’t even know of it until the lawsuit was announced. I’ve had far worse things said about me in this climate debate turned ugly, and the best legal advice I’ve seen given to public figures in the news business is that they generally are not successful when suing for alleged slander/libel, especially for something that is a critical opinion piece with what appears to be a satirical joke line. Criticism and satire in an opinion piece are generally hard to challenge legally in the USA, though it is different in Canada. In Canada, the law is broader. Even so, I don’t think Dr. Mann or his attorney are going to be prepared for the demands of discovery on this one, nor do I think he will prevail in his lawsuit, based on similar failed actions I’ve seen against anchors and reporters in the TV news business when challenged by a public figure. Whether Dr. Mann realizes it or not, he is probably the most well known public figure in climate science next to Al Gore and Dr. James Hansen.

But, buy popcorn, and if so inclined, there’s a link to help out Dr. Ball.

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Top Climate Skeptic Seeks Help in Double-barrel Courtroom Shootout

By John O. Sullivan

Esteemed climate scientist, Tim Ball faces two costly courtroom libel battles. Here he reveals his concerns and appeals for help with his legal fees.

Dr. Tim Ball is widely recognized as one of Canada’s first qualified climate scientists and has long been one of the most prominent skeptics taking a stand on corruption and unethical practices. Two exponents of the global warming scare Ball has targeted, professors Michael Mann and Andrew Weaver, are now suing him for libel.

Many suspect the David Suzuki Foundation is funding Vancouver libel specialist, Roger D. McConchie who is representing both Weaver and Mann against Ball. Suzuki is reported as wanting skeptics like Ball “put in prison.”

Savvy skeptics suspect that Ball, a 72-year-old pensioner, was singled out as a target because he has no big corporate backers and will capitulate under the emotional and financial strain before the case even gets to trial as his legal fees spiral. Such a fate befell Ball in a prior libel suit in 2006.

But buoyed by the public sympathy Ball is now gaining he is confident an appeal for donors will make all the difference. He is adamant that this is the perfect opportunity skeptics have been waiting for to expose climate change fraud in a court of law and he won’t be bounced out of this most crucial contest.

Below Dr. Ball (TB) speaks frankly to John O’Sullivan (JOS).

INTERVIEW

JOS: Now that you’ve been hit with two very expensive libel suits in quick succession rumors are mounting that well-funded environmentalists are now intent on using the law to kill off free speech in the climate debate. Would you agree with this assessment?

TB: I am not aware of specific evidence of such a campaign or the financing. The practice of bringing lawsuits has been going on for some time but it was spasmodic. More recently, that is over the last year or so, it has increased, particularly with the charges by Weaver through McConchie against the National Post. One change was the addition of important people to the Suzuki Board back in 2009, such as John Lefebvre, but also included Westport Innovation CEO Elaine Wong, that brought additional money as Chris Horner pointed out. Another addition to the Board was equally disturbing, not because of the money but because of the compromise of integrity. George Stroumboulopolos is the host of a weekly program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC).

Other increased activities centered on publication of Hoggan and Littlemore’s book Climate Cover Up. This book includes attacks on specific people including me. It makes the usual list of false charges including that I am paid by the oil companies. Then there was Weaver’s book Keeping Our Cool: Canada in a warming World, with a cover note by Suzuki that says, A gripping narrative, this should be the final alarm.

JOS: Desmogblog, funded by the Suzuki Foundation, has been ‘showcasing’ such legal attacks on scientists like you. Do you fear this new trend towards litigation is the inevitable course for the climate debate, and if so do you see any positive outcome for science?

TB: As noted above this is not new litigation but the intensity has increased. As you also know, people like Fred Singer received such threats a few years ago like me. I have mixed feelings about the activities. Personally it is intimidating because of the costs involved if nothing else. Legally it is a threat to free speech and, in my opinion, a misuse of the law to silence open debate. What has been interesting is the cultural reaction to the legal challenges. Americans immediately recognize it as a threat to free speech, while Canadians are slower to acknowledge that threat. In the long term I think exposure of these tactics, particularly in the context that they are losing the scientific debate will backfire. It will be seen for what it is a use of the law as a form of ad hominem attacks.

I am also concerned that the credibility of science in general is in jeopardy because too many scientists, including Suzuki, Weaver, Mann and others have been involved directly or indirectly in the process.

JOS: You obtained your doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College way back in 1983 before much of the hype began about global warming. Yet your critics deride you as a “shill for ‘Big Oil”’ paid to ‘attack’ Weaver, Mann and the IPCC. Is that true?

TB: This is absolutely false. Here is the story. Several years ago a group of professional people in Alberta, including engineers, hydrologists, geologists were very angry about the bad science involved in climate research a particularly through the IPCC and the Kyoto Protocol. We met at Calgary Airport and out of that came the group Friends of Science (FOS). Their problem was they were based in Calgary, Alberta, the Canadian centre of the oil industry. Also some of them, because of their expertise had worked in the oil patch. I warned them to focus solely on the science and to make sure all funding was at arms length. They did both, with funding being handled through the University of Calgary. I acted as an adviser and contributed articles as well as spoke a couple of times at their AGMs.

David Anderson, The Minister of Natural resources said that all Canadian climate experts had been consulted on the Kyoto Protocol. Eight of us, all climate experts traveled to Ottawa and held a press conference to say we had not been consulted. The Minister counteracted us by announcing that he would release the governments Kyoto policy in the house at the same time as the press conference. This was amazing since no previous mention was made despite questions by the media. His move had the effect of drawing away virtually all media attention.

I received $800 for travel and expenses and incorrectly thought FOS paid it. Subsequently it turned out that it was paid by APCO a PR company. Then it was disclosed that FOS had received a donation of, as I recall $12,000 from an energy company. It was I understand about 7% of their total donations, the rest was from private citizens. Very quickly my belief that I was paid by FOS was converted to the charge that I was therefore in the pay of FOS who were in the pay of the oil companies. The fact that $800 was about 6% of the $12,000 was of no consequence. The issue, as it appears with everything they do is to take something and distort ti or use it out of context knowing that once it is out there is not pulling it back. Hoggan’s skills as PR expert are manifest. It is also why I find it amusing that the very property of the Internet they exploit is being attacked by McConchie in his charges against the National Post on behalf of Weaver and his demand that I contact web sites that have repeated my article. The futility of that exercise was that most were not interested and also some of the sites they listed indicated they had merely Googled keywords and came up with completely inappropriate places like a tennis site apparently because my name is ball.

JOS: If Weaver and Mann have been given a ‘blank check’ to use expensive lawyers against you are you and your attorney confident you can win, and if so why?

TB: I am confident that if it comes down to a science debate I can carry the day. I am encouraged in this because to date all have consistently refused or avoided debate. I base this claim on the almost five year challenge the cross-Canada Roy Green radio show has held out for someone to debate, with no takers. My lawyer’s main concern is whether I can afford the defense. The problem is I have no choice because if I don’t respond or say I was completely at fault they would pursue damages for defamation and all costs.

I am also confident that my lawyer says that all charges of defamation are unfounded and the only error was the incorrect claim that Weaver had resigned from the IPCC. I believe it was an honest mistake because the information was provided in the article with citations. We have acknowledged and pre-emptively apologized for this error.

JOS: Who is paying your legal bills?

TB: I am. I have paid out about $10,000 so far and am rapidly depleting my savings, these are meager because the only research funding I received during my career was from the National Museum of Canada. This occurred primarily because my research of reconstructing past climate records was deemed historical climatology. At that time it did not fit the very definitive line between Arts and Science research. The museum understood the problem.

JOS: I’ve heard you’ve started your new blog and you’ll be selling climate science pamphlets to help raise donations to pay your legal fees. Is this true?

TB: Yes. I had worked through other blogs and web pages to date, but disappointments, including being fired from a magazine that I wrote a column for monthly for 17 years led me to go it alone. The firing was just one of many instances where I know from direct reports that it was due to pressure on management because of my skeptical views. The blog allows me control and the opportunity to point out what is wrong with many of the stories appearing in the media. I am planning a series of booklets of about 80 to 100 page in length that provide explanations of major issues in the debate. The idea is that they are short, will fit in a pocket, and deal with one issue at a time. Since they will appear as a series people will be able to have in hand the answers to major issues in the debate in language that non-scientists can understand. I hope to sell these booklets through the web site and use the money to offset the legal costs. Meanwhile we continue to survive on pensions (wife and mine) and small amounts made from public presentations.

JOS: You have recently been working to expose the vast discrepancies between what the IPCC science reports say and what is in the IPCC Summary for Policymakers. Is this an important area of attack for skeptics?

TB: Yes. The science report itemizes all the problems including limitations of data, lack of understanding of mechanisms compounded in the inadequacies of the computer models. The public perception is that the IPCC science is solid and certain that human CO2 is causing global warming and climate change. The difference between the public perception and what the Science report attest is deliberately achieved by the structure of the IPCC system that has a Summary for Policymakers released before the Science report is available. It is understandable that the Mainstream Media and the public are unaware of the differences but it is not credible that the scientists involved are unaware. Their silence is deafening.

JOS: What else has really struck a chord with you in the Great Global Warming Debate?

TB: People find it hard to believe that the entire world could be so easily misled by so few people. They, particularly Maurice Strong, established control of all government weather agencies by co-opting the World Meteorological Organization. This gave them control of data collection and archives within each nation then its global dissemination. Each national weather agency controlled politicians and funding of research. They directed funding to one side of the science debate thus allowing later the circular arguments that claims that most scientists and most publications prove the science. The national agencies also determined who served on the IPCC thus providing complete control. The group of scientists who controlled the entire process became so small that Professor Wegman was able to name names in his report to the US Congress. As he demonstrated, they controlled the peer-review process thus allowing them to further control the publication process.

JOS: What has been toughest part of your skeptic’s journey so far?

TB: It is very difficult, especially when you have paid such a high price financially, emotionally, and in people’s public and personal views. It is not easy when your children, wife and friends hear a radio person say, “Oh, Tim Ball, he is that nut job paid by the oil companies that doesn’t believe in climate change.” It is not easy when people tell you that you are a fool for not using your knowledge and abilities to go with the flow and make a lot of money. As someone said after Climategate it must be nice to be vindicated. I replied there is no pleasure in I told you so. It is not easy when you are very aware of the sacrifices your family has been subjected to because you are determined to demand proof and the truth. As Voltaire said, It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong.

Thank you, Dr. Ball and good luck with the fund raising for both your cases.

Visit Dr. Ball’s site ‘A Different Perspective’ where you can read more of Tim’s expert insight and donate to his legal fund that is being handled independently by the Frontier Centre and Tim’s attorney (‘Donate’ button is in top right corner of Tim’s page).

http://drtimball.com/

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Mark T
April 9, 2011 10:53 pm

Steve M does all the time, and he also lives in Canada. However, I think his support base is much larger and, seemingly, he does a better job of keeping away from borderline claims such as these (definitely borderline from what I read about Canadian law, not so much IMO in the US.) Mann is afraid of suing Steve, though he regularly accuses Steve of lying about him… Hypocrite, as usual from the AGW crowd.
Mark

B.Stockwell
April 9, 2011 11:07 pm

Will send donation. Keep up the good fight. Common sense and good science may some day prevail. To paraphrase the great physicist/teacher Dr. Richard Feynman (too tired tonight to look up the exact wording) –If you think the science is settled, well, then you are just wrong.

Roger Knights
April 10, 2011 1:09 am

Kristoffer says:
April 8, 2011 at 6:10 am
Interesting legal procedures, but why is the word “sceptic” used in this way?
I’m not sure this group of people and their approach to scientific data would fit well with the group of people I usually see referred to as sceptics: http://www.skeptic.com/

I too am pained by our sides’ use of that word, as dislike association the the capital-S skeptics covens you mention. I suggest:
“Climate change” defiers
(or dissidents, or dissenters, or deviationists, or contrarians)

Dave Wendt
April 10, 2011 3:46 am

I was recently served with a notice of legal complaint by the noted law firm Dewey, Cheatum & Howe on behalf of several notable boxes of rocks, based on statements I was alleged to have made comparing their level of intelligence to that of Dr. Michael Mann, which were claimed to have inflicted great emotional distress and grievous reputational harm on said boxes of rocks.
Since I have no real defense against these allegations, I have agreed, in lieu of financial recompense, to publish the following statement.
To Boxes of Rocks everywhere;
You have my sincerest apologies. The statements in question were indeed an uncalled for slur upon yourselves. In the heat of the moment I failed to recognize how unwarranted and unfairly slanderous this comparison was to honest BORS and I promise in the future to be more sensitive and circumspect when attempting to analogize the [snip] Dr. Mann.

Martin Lewitt
April 10, 2011 8:21 am

Dr. Ball’s comment appears to be more about the state of the law than about Dr. Mann personally. He is basically admitting that Dr. Mann’s conduct wasn’t illegal, but perhaps the law should be different. Since it is common knowledge (even in Canada) that there would have to be a charge, trial and conviction before substantial imprisionment in the US, unless Dr. Ball alleged a pattern of behavior and cited a corresponding statute, if there is any defamation it is of the inadequacies of the law, not of Dr. Mann personally. Furthermore, serving time in prison is not necessarily defamatory, if it was a form of civil disobedience or scientific violation in support of one’s political cause, the the person might actually be acclaimed and lionized as a martyr or person of conscience in the community of that political cause. Dr. Mann is still revered in some circles.

Roger Knights
April 10, 2011 9:08 am

PS: I forgot my favorite alternative to “skeptic” as a name for our side: scorcher-scoffer. (Or scorcher-scam scoffer.)
I failed to copy edit my post above. I meant to post, “as I dislike association with the capital-S Skeptics covens you mention.”

April 10, 2011 10:35 am

T.C. says:
April 9, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Tell you what, why don’t you start dealing with the statement of claim from the current lawsuit between Ball and Weaver instead of trying to deflect attention onto a meaningless issue? Then lets see where that goes!

Well that’s easy, Ball told a number of untruths about Weaver, Weaver sued him for defamation and Ball has since published an apology.
http://futurefastforward.com/images/stories/current/ApologyFromTimBall.pdf
I (as well as the other two people left in this string) am getting tired of your rather limited quibble over whether someone was called professor, sessional instructor, lecturer, reader or whatever.
It’s you who’s quibbling about that not I, I said that regardless of the definition of professor Ball’s claim of being a professor at U of Winnipeg for 28 years is nonsense since that would mean that he was a professor before he received his bachelor’s degree!
Ball basically inflated his resume and when he was called on it in a ‘letter to the editor’ took offence and adopted the Monckton strategy of threatening to sue. However his bluff was called and when he actually sued it was clear that the facts weren’t on his side and he dropped the case.
Having failed to learn his lesson he published some scurrilous statements about Weaver and was hoist on his own petard when he was sued for defamation and was forced to retract.

April 10, 2011 11:13 am

eadler says:
Political polarization is tearing this country apart and causing widespread disaffection and suspicion. The quality of the discussion about global warming is an example.
Well, that’s what you get when one side’s idea of civil discourse is shutting up the other side.

QED
April 10, 2011 11:32 am

I am not sure if anyon ehas made this observation as yet but if Mann’s lawsuit is funded by third parties such as the david Suzuki Foundation then in Canada at least this could amount to champery or maintenance which is illegal (but not criminal) such that it would be a bar to Mann bringing the action. It is meant to prevent people with no interest in litigation to fund others to start it. I am not fully versed with the nuances of this somewhat arcane legal principle but it is worth investigation by Dr Ball’s counsel and would hope my e-mail could be brought to his attention.

April 10, 2011 12:25 pm

David Ball says:
April 9, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Three words come to mind. Grasping at straws. Sorta sad really. Why not debate the science instead of grasping at straws. What is the motivation to crush someone who just wants equal time?

Your father couldn’t handle dealing with some students, constantly switching the subject when challenged on his assertions.

David Ball
April 10, 2011 2:26 pm

Nice try, Phil. Let’s just wait and see, shall we?

Eric Gisin
April 10, 2011 3:25 pm

If the Suzuki Foundation is found to be funding lawsuits against skeptics, then there will be pressure on the CBC to fire Suzuki. They won’t, but parliment may well force it.

April 10, 2011 3:59 pm

David Ball says:
April 10, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Nice try, Phil. Let’s just wait and see, shall we?

Wait for what?

Frank White
April 10, 2011 4:13 pm

Someone said that you have to set up a Paypal account to donate. This is not correct.
But if you have had a Paypal account in the past, you must use a different credit card and different email address.
You will be invited to open a Paypal account after you donate, but you can just close the tab or window.

Janet
April 11, 2011 12:39 am

Cash to Dr. Ball from an Aussie girl. Hope you win.

April 11, 2011 2:06 am

Nick Stokes clearly knows zip about libel and assumes that I don’t either (!). With such an asinine comment that Ball is not a “Doctor of Climatology” and he doesn’t have a PhD speaks volumes. I have let it be known to Dr. Ball that I am available to prosecute those who persist in defaming him like this. It will be like shooting fish in a barrel if this is the caliber of armchair lawyer telling real attorneys how the law works.

April 11, 2011 2:19 am

I fear Phil has totally mischaracterized the legal matters he addresses above. Dr. Ball is vigorously defending himself against Andrew Weaver and Michael Mann. I am assisting him in these matters and I can advise you that we are extremely confident of winning both claims. Moreover, such is our belief that both Weaver and Mann have profited unduly and have mislead the public about the validity of their scientific claims, I am personally of the opinion that Dr. Ball will win counterclaims against them and expose them publicly as ill-principled scaremongers. If Ball’s legal fund continues to rise to the level we now hope it will (thanks to grassroots public support) then this will certainly become a more feasible prospect.

April 11, 2011 5:43 am

John O’Sullivan says:
April 11, 2011 at 2:19 am
I fear Phil has totally mischaracterized the legal matters he addresses above. Dr. Ball is vigorously defending himself against Andrew Weaver and Michael Mann. I am assisting him in these matters and I can advise you that we are extremely confident of winning both claims.

That doesn’t seem to be consistent with the published apology from Dr Ball in which he apologizes for “untrue statements” made about Dr Weaver. Are you saying that the apology is a fake?
If it is not then “apologiz(ing) and express(ing) regret for the embarrassment and distress caused by my article” would seem to hamper your ability to successfully prosecute a counter-claim?

Creepy
April 11, 2011 6:33 am

Just donated.
Good luck, Tim Ball. Many of us are with you, even from foreign countries like Germany in my case.
Thumbs up!
And, Mr. Mann, let me tell you… what you are going to do is bottom drawer.
Not only you insist on your fraudulent work, you’re also a shame for science!

Eric (skeptic)
April 11, 2011 11:28 am

Got back a message from paypal saying the payment is unclaimed. I sent it to info@drtimball.com Should I use a different address or just wait?

REPLY:
I’d send him an email, he may not know of it. He has to click on something I’m sure.
-A

April 11, 2011 11:33 am

My donation via Paypal seems to have “bounced” from a wrong email address:
email says:
Two days ago you sent a payment to info@drtimball.com. This payment is still
unclaimed. Often, unclaimed payments are a result of a payment being sent to a
misspelled or otherwise incorrect email address. Please double-check to make
sure you sent your payment to the intended recipient’s correct email address.

April 11, 2011 11:39 am

I sent a donation to tim Ball via Paypal and his “Donate” button on his web page. I just got this message from Paypal:
“Two days ago you sent a payment to info@drtimball.com. This payment is still unclaimed. Often, unclaimed payments are a result of a payment being sent to a misspelled or otherwise incorrect email address. Please double-check to make sure you sent your payment to the intended recipient’s correct email address.
A common cause of unclaimed payments is that the intended recipient has two email addresses, but only one has been registered to their PayPal account.
If you did not intend to send a payment to info@drtimball.com, it is easy to cancel the transaction:
1. Log in to your PayPal account.
2. Go to the ‘History’ subtab of the ‘My Account’ tab and find this transaction (with a status of ‘Unclaimed’).
3. Press the ‘Cancel’ button in the ‘Action’ column.
4. On the confirmation page, press the ‘Cancel Payment’ button to confirm. Your payment will be cancelled and the funds returned to your PayPal account.
Yours sincerely,
PayPal Operations”
Has anyone else received such a message? I immediately thought “Dirty Tricks Department” but maybe Tim has just made an error in setting up his Paypal Account. If so he should be informed.

Wiglaf
April 11, 2011 11:58 am

Got the same thing (unclaimed notice from paypal). Has anyone emailed him to let him know that the email address he is using needs to be confirmed with paypal?

April 11, 2011 12:05 pm

Bounced PayPal Payments: me too!

April 11, 2011 12:20 pm

I emailed Tim and received this back just now:
“I apologize for the confusion over the donation button. Please cancel your previous payment as they (Paypal) advise and then, if you are still willing, submit the payment to timothyball@shaw.ca.
I am grateful and overwhelmed by the moral, intellectual and financial support form so many people.
Thank you.
Tim Ball