To Serve Mann

Pinocckey Stick

Breaking: Mann and Wahl have responded. See updates below.

3/9 12:45 PM Pacific Time. This story is now updated to be consistent with Mann and Wahl’s response:

By Steven Mosher

and charles the moderator

Sources confirm that a federal inspector has questioned Eugene Wahl and Wahl has confirmed that Mann asked [forwarded] him [a request] to delete emails. Wahl has also informed the inspector that he did delete emails as the result of this request.

There are times during the course of Climategate when you feel like you are in a twilight zone episode, especially the kind where the ambiguous meaning of terms plays a critical role, like “To Serve Man”.

That episode is apt because of the central role trust plays and because of the role puzzle solvers play  in uncovering that the do-gooder aliens cannot be trusted. “Serving”, of course, has now taken on new meanings, as in “you got served” or pwned. With the release of the news that Mann successfully [forwarded instructions] instructed [to] Wahl to delete emails,  it’s clear that Mann got served or pwned by Wahl; but more importantly, he got served or assisted by Dr. Pell, Dr. Scaroni, Dr Brune, and Dr. Foley. Who are they? They are the Penn State team who served Dr. Mann by purporting to exonerate him in the Penn State inquiry, despite Mann’s own non-responsive response to a key question being on its face evasive, and begging followup questions. Regardless, Mann’s non-answer did not even purport to support their conclusion about his actions. In short, they covered for him.

The puzzle begins back in 2006. Keith Briffa the author of chapter 6 in the 4th Assessment Report of the IPCC (AR4) is struggling under the directive of review editor Johnathan Overpeck, who has encouraged him to come up with something “more compelling than the Hockey Stick”, that iconic symbol of Global warming created by Michael Mann in the third assessment report.

Briffa is struggling with the comments and suggestions of a particular reviewer who we now know was Steve McIntyre, the citizen scientist who has been dogging Mann for several years. In what appears to be violation of IPCC rules Briffa writes to Eugene Wahl asking for assistance in answering McIntyre’s comments. More important than this communication being apparently at odds with IPCC directives, is that Briffa is asking Wahl to comment on McIntyre’s work, a process that is clearly supposed to take place in peer reviewed literature. Wahl and McIntyre had both been critical of each other’s work and such disputes are most fairly handled by independent third parties and not by the disputants themselves.

In mid 2006 the following exchange occurs between Briffa and Eugene Wahl:

From: Keith Briffa [mailto:k.briffa@xxxxxxxxx.xxx]

Sent: Tue 7/18/2006 10:20 AM

To: Wahl, Eugene R

Subject: confidential

Gene

I am taking the liberty (confidentially) to send you a copy of the reviewers[McIntyre’s]  comments (please keep these to yourself) of the last IPCC draft chapter. I am concerned that I am not as objective as perhaps I should be and would appreciate your take on the comments from number 6-737 onwards , that relate to your reassessment of the Mann et al work. I have to consider whether the current text is fair or whether I should change things in the light of the sceptic comments. In practise this brief version has evolved and there is little scope for additional text , but I must put on record responses to these comments – any confidential help , opinions are appreciated . I have only days now to complete this revision and response

Wahl responds

Thoughts and perspective concerning the reviewer’s comments per se. These are coded in blue and are in the “Notes” column between pages 103 and 122 inclusive. It got to the point that I could not be exhaustive, given the very lengthy set of review thoughts, so I am also attaching a review article Caspar [Ammann]  and I plan to submit to Climatic Change in the next few days….Please note that this Ammann-Wahl text is sent strictly confidentially — it should not be cited or mentioned in any form, and MUST not be transmitted without permission. However, I am more than happy to send it for your use, because it succinctly summarizes what we have found on all the issues that have come up re: MBH. As you can see, we agree at some level with some of the criticisms raised by MM [McIntyre]  and others, but we do not find that they invalidate MBH in any substantial way.

Briffa responds

Gene

here is where I am up to now with my responses (still a load to do) you can see that I have “borrowed (stolen)” from 2 of your responses in a significant degree – please assure me that this OK (and will not later be obvious) hopefully.You will get the whole text(confidentially again ) soon. You could also see that I hope to be fair to Mike[Mann] – but he can be a little unbalanced in his remarks sometime – and I have had to disagree with his interpretations of some issues also. Please do not pass these on to anyone at all.

Keith

Wahl responds, jumping into the “divergence” problem which has come to be known as the “hide the decline” problem.

Hi Keith:

Here is the text with my comments. I will go over the “stolen” parts (highlighted in blue outline) for a final time tomorrow morning, but I wanted to get this to you ASAP. The main new point I have to make is added in bold/blue font on pp. 101-103. I question the way the response to the comment there is currently worded, as it seems to imply that the divergence issue really does invalidate any dendro-based reconstructions before about 1850–which I imagine is not what you would like to say. I give a series of arguments against this as a general conclusion. Maybe I got over-bold in doing so, as in my point (1) I’m examining issues that are at the very core of your expertise! Excuse me that one, but I decided to jump in anyway. Let me know if I got it wrong in any way!

Briffa responds

First Gene – let me say that I never intended that you should spend so much time on this – though I really appreciate your take on these points. The one you highlight here – correctly warns me that in succumbing to the temptation to be lazy in the sense of the brief answer that I have provided – I do give an implied endorsement of the sense of the whole comment. This is not, of course what I intended. I simply meant to agree that some reference to the “divergence” issue was necessitated . I will revise the reply to say briefly that I do not agree with the interpretation of the reviewer. I am attaching what I have done (see blue highlighting) to the section in response to comments (including the addition of the needed extra section on the “tree-ring issues” called for by several people). I have had no feedback yet on this as it has not been generally circulated , but thought you might like to see it. PLEASE REMEMBER that this is “for your eyes only ” . Please do NOT feel that I am asking /expecting you to go through this in any detail – but given the trouble you have taken,I thought it reasonable to give you a private look. Cheers

Keith

So, Briffa writes confidentially to Wahl for help and Wahl assists him by passing a copy of a paper that has yet to be published. The aim is to answer concerns that McIntyre as reviewer has raised. Wahl and Amman’s words are incorporated in the response to McIntyre with the hope that no one will ever notice.

Two years later, someone does notice.  It’s May 24th 2008, Steve McIntyre, climate science puzzle solver, is reading the reviewer comments to chapter 6 of AR4 written in 2006.  In the course of reviewing Briffa’s replies to him, McIntyre notes something peculiar. Briffa’s replies, written in 2006, seemed to plagiarize an unpublished paper by Casper Amman and Eugene Wahl published in 2007. That is, in 2006 Briffa was repeating the argument of a paper that was not published until 2007. How could Briffa plagiarize an article that hadn’t been published? Why would he repeat the arguments almost word for word? Who was feeding Briffa his arguments? How was Briffa doing this if all communication with the authors had to be part of the official record?

At the time, in May of 2008, McIntyre assumed that Briffa was getting information from Casper Ammann since Ammann was listed as a contributing author to chapter 6. It did not occur to McIntyre that Wahl was the source of the text. Thanks to the individual who liberated the Climategate emails, we now know that Wahl was the source of that text. The Climategate emails, quoted above, show Briffa and Wahl exchanging emails about the way McIntyre’s arguments should be handled. Confidentially, outside the process of the IPCC which is designed to capture reviewer objections and authors’ responses to those objections. Wahl is brought in by Briffa to defend his own work. And defend it with literature that has not been published yet.

At the same time in 2008, across the ocean, David Holland had been reading McIntyre’s work and he had issued an FOIA request to the Climatic Research Unit–CRU. That FOIA request covered all correspondence coming in and out of CRU relative to chapter 6 of AR4.  The hunt for the source that was feeding Briffa was on, with Holland leading the charge. At CRU, FOIA officer Palmer instructs the team that they must do everything “by the book” because Holland will most certainly appeal a rejection letter.

In that context, Jones writes the famous email to Mann. Jones requests that Mann delete his emails and he requests that Mann contact Wahl and have Wahl delete his emails.  Is Jones covering his bases in case of an appeal? Is he covering his bases against an FOIA request that might be served on Mann and Wahl in the US? In any case, he appears to be conspiring with others to deny Holland his FOIA rights.

Mike,

Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?  Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis  Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t  have his new email address.We will be getting Caspar to do likewise. I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature  paper

Mann responds that he will contact Wahl ASAP, which he does.

Hi Phil,

laughable that CA would claim to have discovered the problem. They would  have run off to the Wall Street Journal for an exclusive were that to  have been true. I’ll contact Gene about this ASAP. His new email is: generwahl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx

talk to you later,

mike

As Wahl told the investigators in 2011, Mann contacted [forwarded the email from Jones requesting deletion to] him and Wahl deleted his mails.

In 2010, in an effort to clear Mann of any wrong doing, a committee of inquiry was set up at Penn State. We now know that committee failed miserably. They failed for many reasons, but the Wahl admission is the starkest example.

Here is one allegation the committee investigated:

Allegation 2: Did you engage in, or participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions with  the intent  to delete, conceal or otherwise destroy emails, information and/or data, related  to AR4, as suggested by Phil Jones?

Finding 2. After careful consideration of all the evidence and relevant materials, the  inquiry committee finding is that there exists no credible evidence that Dr. Mann had  ever engaged in, or participated in, directly or indirectly, any actions with intent to delete,  conceal or otherwise destroy emails, information and/or data related to AR4, as suggested  by Dr. Phil Jones.  Dr. Mann has stated that he did not delete emails in response to Dr.  Jones’ request. Further, Dr. Mann produced upon request a full archive of his emails in  and around the time of the preparation of AR4. The archive contained e-mails related to  AR4.

The committee found this because they apparently failed to understand Mann’s reply. As they reported:

He [Mann] explained that he never deleted emails at the behest of any other scientist, specifically including Dr. Phil Jones, and that he never withheld data with the intention of obstructing science; …

What can we make of this? Mann was apparently asked the question: “Did you engage in or participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions with the intent to delete emails.”

And it seems clear he only answered half of the question, leaving the unanswered second part dangling: did you contact anyone or otherwise ‘indirectly’ participate in deleting records? This either did not strike, or did not interest, the Penn State ‘investigators’. This despite that Mann, it appears, answered “carefully” and incompletely. He only answered that he hadn’t deleted emails. He never directly denies partaking, indirectly, in the deletion of Wahl’s emails. He apparently withheld the information that he had asked [forwarded the request to] Wahl to delete emails.

Is this a lie? Not directly. It’s more what Wikipedia would describe as “Careful Speaking”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie

Careful speaking is distinct from the above in that the speaker wishes to avoid imparting certain information or admitting certain facts and, additionally, does not want to ‘lie’ when doing so. Careful speaking involves using carefully-phrased statements to give a ‘half-answer’: one that does not actually ‘answer’ the question, but still provides an appropriate (and accurate) answer based on that question. As with ‘misleading’, below, ‘careful speaking’ is not outright lying.

So why did the inquiry, stocked with Mann’s fellow professors, fail to ask good follow up questions? We really do not know because we don’t have access to the transcript of their interview with Mann. Did he intend to deceive? Or did he just speak “carefully?” It would seem that the actual transcript of the questions and answers should be published. Perhaps Congress should serve the members of the inquiry with a subpoena. That would allow people to decide if Mann lied or if he just spoke carefully.

And there are a few more questions we need to ask. Mann claims that he never deleted the emails. But he asked [forwarded Jones’s request to] Wahl to delete the emails. This makes no sense. It makes no sense that Mann would participate in a cover up by passing along a message to another participant of that cover-up downstream and not delete emails himself. It defies any logical reconstruction of events. Why would Mann ask [forward a request to] Wahl to do something that he himself would not do? We also know from the inquiry that Mann delivered emails to the inquiry. From that evidence and his testimony they concluded that he deleted no emails. This does not compute. [S.M: See update below for a possible explanation ]

Jones requested of Mann: Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?

The inquiry stated: The archive contained e-mails related to AR4.    (Hmm…more “Careful Speaking”?)

Did the inquiry find any emails of Mann communicating with Briffa re AR4 or just some emails related to AR4?

Did Mann turn over all the emails he wrote/received or only those he didn’t delete?

Was the email from Phil Jones requesting deletion among the emails Mann delivered to the inquiry?

Did the IT staff serve Mann, by letting him know that what he initially attempted to delete were in fact retained on the University mail server?

Did Mann turn over emails to the inquiry that he had previously deleted, deleted and then recovered with the help of some sympathetic University IT staff?

These questions need to be asked.

Perhaps Congress should serve Mann a subpoena.

Perhaps, the IG, the NSF, or some other suitable independent third party can investigate this with people who know how to watch for the pea under the thimble, and not be mislead by “Careful Speaking”.

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UPDATES:

Steve McIntyre at Climate Audit has the goods in this: Wahl Transcript Excerpt

Chris Horner at DailyCaller also has a review: Penn State whitewashed ClimateGate

In fact, Chris Horner and the Competitive Enterprise Institute were instrumental in efforts over a year to get this and other forthcoming FOIA info into the public domain. – Anthony

UPDATE 3/9 12PM Mann and Wahl have responded see here.

Excerpt:

Mann, reached on vacation in Hawaii, said the stories yesterday were “libelous” and false. “They’re spreading a lie about me,” he said of the Web sites. “This has been known for a year and a half that all I did was forward Phil’s e-mail to Eugene.” Asked why he sent the e-mail to his colleague, Mann said, “I felt Eugene Wahl had to be aware of this e-mail … it could be used against him. I didn’t delete any e-mails and nor did I tell Wahl to delete any e-mails.” Why didn’t Mann call Wahl to discuss the odd request? “I was so busy. It’s much easier to e-mail somebody. No where did I approve of the instruction to destroy e-mails.”

Also at the above link, Wahl has now publicly stated that he did in fact delete emails in response to the request forwarded to him by Mann, rendering moot our need to wait for our original sources to confirm this story.

UPDATE: 3/9 6PM Chris Horner, whose story at the Daily Caller prompted a fair amount of outrage from AGW proponents, has responded to Wahl and Mann here

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h/t SF Grand Master, Damon Knight, who was the author of the original short story this Twilight Zone episode was based upon.

Jones specifically asked Mann to delete emails with Briffa with regard to AR4. Mann claims that he deleted no mails. This is entirely possible, especially if there were no mails fitting the description. Canvasing the  Climategate mails, we can only find a few mails between Briffa and Mann related to Ar4. If  there were few or no mails to delete, then it does make sense that Mann could have passed the instruct to delete onto Wahl, without deleting mails himself.  S. Mosher.

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vigilantfish
March 9, 2011 5:07 pm

Smokey,
I like your graph, but in the spirit of many very spirited posts at WUWT in the past, worry that the projected trends are based on too much cherry picking of recent data. Perhaps you should include a line to show long term trends? And supply confidence intervals? LOL.

March 9, 2011 5:11 pm

Robert of Ottawa says:
March 9, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Is Michael Mann the Charlie Sheen of climate science?

Robert –
I believe you just insulted Charlie Sheen.
+2.5

Robert of Ottawa
March 9, 2011 5:20 pm

Your honor, I merely passed this gun on from a good friend and coleague to another good friend and coleague. I had NO IDEA WHATSOEVER that this gun might be used in a bank robbery.

a jones
March 9, 2011 5:22 pm

Sean Peake says:
March 9, 2011 at 4:52 pm
I think the word you might be looking for, in British English anyway, is complicit.
Kindest Regards

March 9, 2011 5:22 pm

Robert of Ottawa says: “Is Michael Mann the Charlie Sheen of climate science?”
His show is called “Two and a Half Men.” I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.

sierra117
March 9, 2011 5:23 pm

Dr Wahl says: ” there was no request from him to delete emails. ”
OK…so Dr Mann forwards Dr Wahl an email from Dr Jones, which contains specific instructions to delete emails.
Somehow that’s not meant to be interpreted by Dr Wahl as a request to delete email…??? Are you serious???
If there was *ANY* other purpose to Dr Mann forwarding the delete request email, surely he would have said so in the forwarded email….???
Moreover, Dr Wahl then deleted email. If Dr Jones’s forwarded email didn’t cause Dr Wahl to delete the email, then what did???
Dr Mann and Dr Wahl, you are just digging a deeper hole.
Try telling the truth.

Robert of Ottawa
March 9, 2011 5:30 pm

Sean Peake saysvMarch 9, 2011 at 4:52 pm
By forwarding the email from Jones, Mann condoned the act.
Head of nail. Mann did condone the deletion of e-mails that he knew were detremental to his party’s cause. Otherwise, he would have ignored the request. This Mann is culpable ; he condoned, aided and abetted the cover-up.

March 9, 2011 5:30 pm

Steven Mosher, the allegations include, but are not limited to, Dr. Mann being dishonest and a cover up by Penn St. With corrections already being made to the article, my skepticism as to the validity of these and other allegations grows.

John Crane
March 9, 2011 5:31 pm

While I commend those here working so diligently to restore the good name of Science, I can only advise patience and calm, thorough persistence. It will be almost two years before we have a DOJ that will touch this problem and even then it will require a skeptical administration.
All the thoroughly researched details that you good people can provide may make the difference in the end because any new administration is going to have it’s hands full fixing the disasters being created by this one. And we can count the media out wrt educating the electorate.

J. Felton
March 9, 2011 5:49 pm

Robert of Ottawa: ” Is Michael Mann the Charlie Sheen of Climate Science?”
Jorgekafkazar: ” Well, his show is called Two and Half Men.”
Well, if Mann had his own show it could be called ” Two Men and a Half Truth.”

timheyes
March 9, 2011 5:58 pm

ctm, JEM, Robert of Ottowa and old contruction worker.
I’m not seeking to defend Mann in any way, however, as far as we can ascertain to date he’s guilty of forwarding and email which contained an illegal request by Jones under UK jurisdiction. As far as we know those emails were not the subject of a US FOIA and he therefore did not break any law in the US as far as I’m aware. He managed to evade part of an inquiry question on which he was not pressed further. As far as I’m aware he was not under oath during the inquiry and not bound to tell “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth”. Apparently he answered the inquiry questions to the satisfaction of his interrogators.
He may be guilty of many things in the court of public opinion but if a prosecutor in a trial (or a quationer in an inquiry) fails to prove the case of guilt (or misdemeanor) despite prima facie evidence then justice dictates that he’s not guilty.
For these reasons IMO the greater “crime” is the hopelessly inadequate inquiry which is supposed to hold Mann to account. I have no great liking for Mann but I do think criticism should be justly apportioned. He played the game at the inquiry and seems to have got away with it.
AGW/Climate change won’t fall because one man cleverly answered a question. It might if it can be shown that pro-AGW scientists are completely unaccountable to the taxpayers who pay their salaries and grants.

Sean Peake
March 9, 2011 6:02 pm

@ajones
Thank you for that. That is a much better, more concise word. Were it not for the grim realization that my supply of 18 year old MacCallan, which I had carefully rationed since Christmas, was now exhausted, I would have used it… once I got over the heartbreak.

March 9, 2011 6:03 pm

MAnn says this:
“This has been known for a year and a half that all I did was forward Phil’s e-mail to Eugene.” Asked why he sent the e-mail to his colleague, Mann said, “I felt Eugene Wahl had to be aware of this e-mail … it could be used against him. I didn’t delete any e-mails and nor did I tell Wahl to delete any e-mails.”
“I felt Eugene Wahl had to be aware of this e-mail … it could be used against him.
If that was a part of his thought processes at the time, Uhm… you would think he would communicate that to Wahl. Wouldn’t you think Mann would say something like…
Wait….
How exactly could it be used against him? This defense makes no sense. If Mann doesn’t forward the e-mail, then it can’t be used against Wahl. If Mann forwards the e-mail with a note, advising him NOT to delete any mail, or at least talk to a policy adviser before deleting any e-mail, then both their butts are covered against the evil skeptic horde! How does simply forwarding the email convey any warming what-so-ever?????
It doesn’t
Mann certainly seems to be making stuff up here.

timheyes
March 9, 2011 6:05 pm

I’ve made some observations at CA and BH which I think are much more pertinent questions for the IPCC, the Team and AGW.
http://climateaudit.org/2011/03/08/wahl-transcript-excerpt/#comment-257672
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2011/3/9/the-wind-from-hawaii.html#comments
“Why, why, why?”
Here’s what I think and what many seem to be missing. The request was to delete AR4 email correspondence. The correspondences, some of which we know was communication between Briffa and Wahl about responses to McIntyre’s comments about AR4 and contrary to IPCC protocol. Furthermore, Wahl sent Briffa an unpublished paper for Briffa to use in addressing McIntyre’s comments against IPCC protocols. It is these things which could be “used against” Wahl.
Circumstantially this suggests one of three things:
a) Jones and Mann were party to the fact that Briffa and Wahl had colluded in responding to AR4 comments i.e. the Team were all fully aware of “irregulairties” they were using in creating AR4, or
b) there was other collusion or irregularities in the AR4 process which Jones and Mann were aware of and they wanted to make sure that the whole Team were “sanitised” before these were revealed by FOI/EIR requests even though they didn’t know the details of what the rest of the Team had done, or
c) Jones just panicked at the FOI/EIR request, sent the email to Mann who forwarded it to Wahl without thinking what he was being asked to do.
Option c) seems the least likely as Mann had no reason to suppose that Wahl had anything that could be “used against him” under this option. It also suggests that Jones and Mann both didn’t understand that what they were doing was illegal.
Options a) and b) suggest that either the Team were acting in concert to present their interpretation of the science to the exclusion of all criticism or that the AR4 process was being corrupted by the Team individually and separately. Either way it’s not very edifying.
The main fault in the whole saga is the failure if the inquiry into Mann to understand the issues behind the emails and to ask follow up questions where Mann’s responses were not answering the questions put to him. The inquiry was supposed to be the check which balanced the implications in this particular climategate email.

March 9, 2011 6:06 pm

Libelous “and” false, he says. It couldn’t be libelous if it was the truth, right? He should bring a suit against the perpetrators to clear his good name.

Dave Springer
March 9, 2011 6:07 pm

If deleting the emails was a crime then Mann appears to be an accessory to the crime.
Surely Mann knew a request to delete emails pertaining to a certain subject was an attempt to destroy evidence especially given the history of people requesting information and their refusal to provide it.
What Mann should have done was reply to Phil Jones and say “I’m sorry Phil but I will not play any role in helping you destroy evidence. Please do not ask me to do anything of this nature again.”
Just sayin’.

J. Felton
March 9, 2011 6:19 pm

Amused said
” I wonder that some have not taken legal action against the perpetrators o these slanders as Andrew Weaver did in Canada. He silenced a group of prolific deniers.”
As many others have shown your statements are wrong, I feel I should too.
As someone who is close to the Weasel ( Ahem, Weaver) scandal, knowing several students of his, indeed, this glorified model programmer works in my hometown, I know a lot more then you obviously do.
Andrew Weaver started a lawsuit claiming the National Post newspaper slandered him by publishing stories that were contrary to his point of view. He has also attempted to sue several others.
Not only has he proved he is a lawsuit-happy egomaniac, but his actions havnt ” silenced” anyone. His NP lawsuit is still before the courts, with the newspaper mounting a massive defense, and nobody has retracted their statements or been ” silenced”.
Amused, I’m ” amused” that you havnt done your homework.
Epic Fail.

sierra117
March 9, 2011 6:27 pm

I sent this to the Dean of The Earth Sciences Faculty at Penn State University:
—————————————————-
“To the Faculty Dean
Dear Sir
Yesterday’s revelations that Dr Eugene Wahl deleted email following an email forwarded to him by Dr Mann (from Dr Jones at the CRU) in 2008 raises serious questions about Dr Mann’s credibility.
The explanation Dr Mann has offered is manifestly inadequate.
Dr Mann’s reputation is now compromised.
It is in the University’s best interest to terminate Dr Mann’s tenure lest it be tarnished with the scandal that is now emerging.”

March 9, 2011 6:35 pm

Careful Speak is actually Lawyer Speak. Mann has been coached by attorneys on how to respond to questions. However, a lie of omissions is still a lie.

onion2
March 9, 2011 6:38 pm

I think Mann and Jones and the rest of them should be at liberty to delete whatever personal communication they want. FOI law in this case seems like a set of silly rules for boys in school rather than achieving anything with any point.

March 9, 2011 6:45 pm

Isn’t it interesting how much more interest can be garnered and energy expended on a “he said, she said” pissing match than on some significant scientific revelation? I’m all for chasing chasing these devious scoundrels to ground and applaud the chasers, but the enthusiasm from the peanut gallery is just breathtaking. It’s like watching a Jerry Springer production.

Gaylon
March 9, 2011 6:51 pm

“vigilantfish says:
March 9, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Smokey,
I like your graph, but in the spirit of many very spirited posts at WUWT in the past, worry that the projected trends are based on too much cherry picking of recent data. Perhaps you should include a line to show long term trends? And supply confidence intervals? LOL.”
Hah! I got a kick out of that too, good stuff. Hey Smokey, and where’s your error bars? At first glance I thought your GCM was overshooting: the CAGW are going extinct sooner than your graph shows (methinks)!
“pwl says:
March 9, 2011 at 4:33 pm
”…Had Mann added a commentary to the email in question that said “I want you to know about this but to comply with the law we must not delete any emails” then Mann would have a defense…”
Excellent point, the tough part is that many of us may have a tendancy to “go with our gut”. For those who have followed this over time, and are familiar with Mann’s behavoir: obfuscation, manipulation, denializations, etc, etc, our guts are sore, sour and steaming. He might as well have replied to Jones that, “…hell ya chief, they’re all deleted and you were so succinct I didn’t bother to change one word: just forwarded the whole shebang on to Gene…hope we don’t get caughtLOL!! ;0)…as if!!” As far as I’m concerned. Does that make me jaded, I wonder?
But that’s just me…maybe not eh? 😉

John Smith
March 9, 2011 6:53 pm

Seems to me that Mann is running a variation of the Nuremberg Defence… “I was only passing on orders”.
Martin Borman was sentenced to death “in absentia” for only passing on orders. But there is a distinction between passing on and following… so I suppose this should be called the Penn State Defence…

Sun Spot
March 9, 2011 6:55 pm

Yeah Claude (Harvey) and its been just breathtaking watching the Gore Springer production all these years

G. Karst
March 9, 2011 6:56 pm

“Mann, reached on vacation in Hawaii”
Isn’t Hawaii half way to China? Isn’t Maurice Strong taking refuge in China?
Maybe soon, China will have all our ideological, asylum seeking climate “scientists”.
We live in a bizarro world. GK

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