Jeff Id was trying to defend his paper on Antarctica (O’Donnell et al) at Real Climate. This is what he got for his trouble. Red lines mine.
Meanwhile the dhogazas of the world run free in the same thread:
Clearly, in the eyes of the RC moderators, skiing on Mt. Bachelor and discussions of mass delusion from a friendly but obnoxious regular are far more important than discussing the actual science and the analysis issues with a co-author of the paper being critiqued.
This sciencey entertainment is from a new feature at RC called The “Bore Hole” which is a place they put “undesirable” comments.
Bad move fellas. I predict this feature will become the most popular fixture at RC as people compete to have their comments boreholed. It’s like a sport now.
In case you have not read it yet, this story shows what our government funded employees do while on the clock:
RC’s duplicity prods Jeff Id out of retirement
While I fully understand the need to keep unruly posters from taking over threads, you guys at RC really owe Jeff and Ryan O’Donnell an apology.
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Last year I left a comment on RealClimate that was technical in nature, with a bit of math, 100% on topic, but critical of a RealClimate position. The comment referred to one of my blog posts that elaborated on my point.
Naturally, my comment was deleted.
Nevertheless, some RealClimate readers happened to stumble upon my blog. They made comments referring to me on the same RealClimate post where I had left my comment. I was referred to as a liar and a fraud. Their arguments were insulting, specious and dimwitted. Yet that seemed to be fine with RealClimate.
You can read one of my subsequent posts, where I include a screen shot of my comment to RealClimate and my responses to the RC commentors that so profoundly misunderstood my simple math here…
http://climatesanity.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/rahmstorf-2009-response-to-realclimate-comments/
Tom Moriarty
Climate Sanity
I gotta think its Ockham’s Razor time here. It makes much more sense to just say the RC moderators are simply incapable of understanding Jeff and Ryan’s paper or points derived from it.
juanslayton says:
February 7, 2011 at 8:47 pm (Edit)
racookpe1978
?Pour queue, mi amigo?
Para evitar burlas de las calientistas : > )
See, sea. Las burlequesas tiene muchas calisthenics calientas …
Only one word comes to my mind with the mention of RC:
Sanctimonious
(note the capital ‘S’)
racookpe1978
Ay, eye give up…
Not sure why anyone that doesn’t buy into their m.o. would even bother trying to post at RC. Their habit of snipping comments, selective editing, and outright modification of views they disagree with is well documented. Either the echo chamber doesn’t realize, doesn’t care, or is simply complicit with the tactic doesn’t matter. They will not get the whole story so any attempt to defend a point of view is purely a waste of time at best. There is no upside.
Mark
Jay Currie says:
February 7, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Q: Does anyone still go to RC?
A: I don’t.
Q: Really?
A: Yes.
Q: Why?
A: Because I value my sanity.
Really, I’m starting to think that maybe they’re trying to increase their own pathetic web traffic by pulling stunts like the Steig criticism and goading people into defending Ryan and Jeff at their site. Just ignore them, and let them wallow in their bore hole.
Real Climate has never been about climate science, but rather about making certain petulant and insecure climate scientists feel good about themselves…
Censorship is one of the last refuges of those who know they have lost. If they were right, why would they ever need to censor ANYTHING ?
I wonder if this is RC’s attempt to get more traffic on their site, and to try and catch up in the site visit stats. People will go there to read the borehole, and some to post in order to get into the bore hole. At least for a while, until the novelty wears off . . .
My thoughts exactly Anthony.
If gavin had any brains he would let skeptics post whatever drivel they wanted
and he would send the bores on his side to the borehole.
Real Climate of Hostility to Facts and Open Discussion.
” The time for honoring yourselves will soon be at an end “- Maximus
It took me only four or five visits to Real Climate a couple of years ago to realize that the moderation was heavily skewed to one side. Better to not educate them since such heavyhandedness costs supporters, it doesn’t gain them.
Steven Mosher, if I am not mistaken, there is a jab at Anthony’s readership in your post @10:04. Please explain. All post make a contribution, even if they are incorrect. In my opinion, this is lost on Gavin. It is the failures and mistakes that help find the true path. Censorship is a road to nowhere. The wheat must come with the chaff, or no wheat.
Someone needs to write a Firefox add-in that records your comments when you post them at certain sites.
RC plumbs new depths of hubris. Who’da thunk it?
Steve Oregon says:
February 7, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Well I’ve skied Bachelor, skied Timberline and played with Gavin and company.
Although many, in one particular discussion Gavin apparently didn’t like the way the path of the discussion was going with his regulars. I made a post and Gavin [without mention] editted out a sentence, another partial sentence and changed it’s emphasis and meaning. After his regulars easily jumped all over that post, which Gavin had altered, I found I was blocked and unable to respond. His regulars then proceeded to declare that I had run away empty headed and defeated.
All of my following posts were blocked.
That’s Gavin Schmidt.
Had virtually the same experience.
On Schmidt going quote mining..
“When I said the science isn’t settled, I didn’t mean S09. Now PLEASE Eric, pull me back up..”
“So, rather than deleting comments that question your “consensus” they now get put in a thread.
Sounds like real climate progress to me.”
That was me 🙂
If you ask me, the real killer expose from climategate was that they ran realclimate.
It might have been wide known before, but it just made my skin crawl to think that any “scientist” could have got involved with such an obnoxious site.
Personally I think realclimate has done to climate “science” what Joseph Stalin did to socialism … they have turned the acceptable face of science into the unacceptable face of propaganda.
Realclimate = a small propaganda gain for the total loss of scientific credibility
David Ball says:
February 7, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Steven Mosher, if I am not mistaken, there is a jab at Anthony’s readership in your post @10:04. Please explain.
######
HUH?
let me put it differently. On both sides of the debate people say smart things and dumb things.
If gavin were smart he would delete the dumb things his side says, thereby giving the appearance that his side only said smart things. Get it?
The borehole contents is highly revealing. I reckon it won’t last long, as it shows that the vast majority of its contents are highly pertinent & polite questions, pieces of evidence that conflict with the RC stance.
I also see that comment 108 is Jeff’s from above!
Also
“116.[edit -keep on trying to sneak in off-topic snark like this, and all of your stuff will go straight to the borehole from now on–understood?]
The ‘snark’ is hardly off topic and only 1 in 3 of my comments makes moderation anyway so it isn’t much of a threat.
If you can’t handle reasoned criticism, you aren’t much of a scientist – whomever you are. Eric wouldn’t have written this.
Comment by Jeff Id — 4 Feb 2011 @ur momisugly 4:59 PM”
I found my way to WUWT after being moderated at Realclimate. I came there as a concerned citizen with what I thought were legitimate questions, and I was exposed to mr. Schmidt’s arrogance and sarcasm. He wasn’t answering my question, just trying to ridicule me for the audience of true believers of the holy God of CAGW. I was really surprised because my question was one that regarded a specific uncertainty and I just wanted to learn what RC scientists thought of it. That was clearly too much for the narcissistic mr. Schmidt who could feel a slightly uncomfortable feeling of anxiety which he promptly turned in to rage and attack. A great way to discharge feelings of uncertainty, but no way to act as a truth seeking, noble scientist.
I must say I am in awe over how little they comprehend from basic psychology. They behave like immature, sarcastic and aggressive bullies towards curious people who visit their blog. Then they get funding to hold seminars where they ponder “why don’t people convert to CAGW? Why are we not reaching out to audiences?”
Someone should just step in and say: “It’s your friggin manners and ignorance, stupid.”
Steve Oregon says:
February 7, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Well I’ve skied Bachelor, skied Timberline and played with Gavin and company.
Although many, in one particular discussion Gavin apparently didn’t like the way the path of the discussion was going with his regulars. I made a post and Gavin [without mention] editted out a sentence, another partial sentence and changed it’s emphasis and meaning. After his regulars easily jumped all over that post, which Gavin had altered, I found I was blocked and unable to respond. His regulars then proceeded to declare that I had run away empty headed and defeated.
All of my following posts were blocked.
That’s Gavin Schmidt.
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The work of a psychopath.
Frank K. says(among other things):
February 7, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Real Climate has never been about climate science, but rather about making certain petulant and insecure climate scientists feel good about themselves…
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QFT!