Comments On The Hill’s Post “Scientists Ask Congress To Put Aside Politics, Take ‘Fresh Look’ At Climate Data”
By Dr. Roger Pielke Sr.
There is an article in The Hill’s Energy and Environment Blog on February 1 2011 by Andrew Restuccia titled [h/t/ Bob Ferguson]
Scientists ask Congress to put aside politics, take ‘fresh look’ at climate data
The news article starts with the text
More than a dozen scientists took aim at climate skeptics in a letter to members of Congress late last week, calling on lawmakers to put aside politics and focus on the science behind climate change.
In the Jan. 28 letter, 18 scientists from various universities and research centers called on lawmakers to take a “fresh look” at climate change.
“Political philosophy has a legitimate role in policy debates, but not in the underlying climate science,” the scientists said in the letter. “There are no Democratic or Republican carbon dioxide molecules; they are all invisible and they all trap heat.”
Other excerpts from the news article read [with my comments right below each excerpt]
“The scientists took aim at climate skeptics. “Climate change deniers cloak themselves in scientific language, selectively critiquing aspects of mainstream climate science,” the scientists said. “Sometimes they present alternative hypotheses as an explanation of a particular point, as if the body of evidence were a house of cards standing or falling on one detail; but the edifice of climate science instead rests on a concrete foundation.”
My Comment
Actually, the focus almost exclusively on the radiative effect of CO2 and a few other grenhouse gases is a house of cards. As we documented in our paper (in which each author is a Fellow of the American Geophysical Union)
Pielke Sr., R., K. Beven, G. Brasseur, J. Calvert, M. Chahine, R. Dickerson, D. Entekhabi, E. Foufoula-Georgiou, H. Gupta, V. Gupta, W. Krajewski, E. Philip Krider, W. K.M. Lau, J. McDonnell, W. Rossow, J. Schaake, J. Smith, S. Sorooshian, and E. Wood, 2009: Climate change: The need to consider human forcings besides greenhouse gases. Eos, Vol. 90, No. 45, 10 November 2009, 413. Copyright (2009) American Geophysical Union
“In addition to greenhouse gas emissions, other first-order human climate forcings are important to understanding the future behavior of Earth’s climate. These forcings are spatially heterogeneous and include the effect of aerosols on clouds and associated precipitation [e.g., Rosenfeld et al., 2008], the influence of aerosol deposition (e.g., black carbon (soot) [Flanner et al. 2007] and reactive nitrogen [Galloway et al., 2004]), and the role of changes in land use/land cover [e.g., Takata et al., 2009]. Among their effects is their role in altering atmospheric and ocean circulation features away from what they would be in the natural climate system [NRC, 2005]. As with CO2, the lengths of time that they affect the climate are estimated to be on multidecadal time scales and longer.
Therefore, the cost-benefit analyses regarding the mitigation of CO2 and other greenhouse gases need to be considered along with the other human climate forcings in a broader environmental context, as well as with respect to their role in the climate system.”
and
“The evidence predominantly suggests that humans are significantly altering the global environment, and thus climate, in a variety of diverse ways beyond the effects of human emissions of greenhouse gases, including CO2…….Because global climate models do not accurately simulate (or even include) several of these other first-order human climate forcings, policy makers must be made aware of the inability of the current generation of models to accurately forecast regional climate risks to resources on multidecadal time scales.”
The failure of this group of climate scientists to consider this broader perspective illustrates their inappropriately narrow view of climate including the role of humans in affecting it, as well as of other social and environmental threats as discussed in the weblog post
A Way Forward In Climate Science Based On A Bottom-Up Resource-Based Perspective
The Hill post also writes
“Congress should, we believe, hold hearings to understand climate science and what it says about the likely costs and benefits of action and inaction,” the scientists wrote. “It should not hold hearings to attempt to intimidate scientists or to substitute ideological judgments for scientific ones.”
The letter of January 28, 2011 to the Members of the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate is from
John Abraham, University of St. Thomas
Barry Bickmore, Brigham Young University
Gretchen Daily,* Stanford University
G. Brent Dalrymple,* Oregon State University
Andrew Dessler, Texas A&M University
Peter Gleick,* Pacific Institute
John Kutzbach,* University of Wisconsin-Madison
Syukuro Manabe,* Princeton University
Michael Mann, Penn State University
Pamela Matson,* Stanford University
Harold Mooney,* Stanford University
Michael Oppenheimer, Princeton University
Ben Santer, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Richard Somerville, Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Kevin Trenberth, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Warren Washington, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Gary Yohe, Wesleyan University
George Woodwell,* The Woods Hole Research Center
*Member of the National Academy of Sciences
The letter is reproduced in the news article and has the following excerpts which I will comment on.
First, two excerpts separated by a few paragraphs illustrates an inconstant claim of the above individuals. They write
“It is not our role as scientists to determine how to deal with problems like climate change. That is a policy matter and rightly must be left to our elected leaders in discussion with all Americans. But, as scientists, we have an obligation to evaluate, report, and explain the science behind climate change.”
but then later state
“We and our colleagues are prepared to assist you as you work to develop a rational and practical national policy to address this important issue.”
My Comment
It’s actually hard to find a more self-contradictory statement!
The next excerpt is
“But no one who argues against the science of climate change has ever provided an alternative scientific theory that adequately satisfies the observable evidence or conforms to our understanding of physics, chemistry, and climate dynamics.”
The authors of the letter do not even define what is “the science of climate change”. From the context of the letter, however, they clearly mean the dominance of the radiative effect of CO2 and a few other gases as being the primary forcing that alters long-term weather statistics and other aspects of the climate. However, it is straightforward to refute this hypothesis as we did in our paper listed above [Pielke et al, 2009] where we documented that the hypothesis
Although the natural causes of climate variations and changes are undoubtedly important, the human influences are significant and are dominated by the emissions into the atmosphere of greenhouse gases, the most important of which is CO2. The adverse impact of these gases on regional and global climate constitutes the primary climate issue for the coming decades.
has been rejected.
The only hypothesis that has not been rejected is
“Although the natural causes of climate variations and changes are undoubtedly important, the human influences are significant and involve a diverse range of first-order climate forcings, including, but not limited to, the human input of carbon dioxide (CO2). Most, if not all, of these human influences on regional and global climate will continue to be of concern during the coming decades.”
We agree that “human activity is changing the climate” e.g. see
Inadvertent Weather Modification: An Information Statement of the American Meteorological Society
(Adopted by the AMS Council on 2 November 2010)
but this statement documents that the influence of humans on the local, regional and global scale is much more than due to the radiative effect of CO2 and a few other greenhouse gases. The narrow perspective presented by the authors of the letter to Congress is not supported by the current scientific knowledge.
The next excerpt is
“Climate change deniers cloak themselves in scientific language, selectively critiquing aspects of mainstream climate science. Sometimes they present alternative hypotheses as an explanation of a particular point, as if the body of evidence were a house of cards standing or falling on one detail; but the edifice of climate science instead rests on a concrete foundation. As an open letter from 255 NAS members noted in the May 2010 Science magazine, no research results have produced any evidence that challenges the overall scientific understanding of what is happening to our planet’s climate and why.”
My Comment
Without commenting on their very inappropriate use of the term “denier”, their claim that “no research results have produced any evidence that challenges the overall scientific understanding of what is happening to our planet’s climate and why”, is blatantly wrong. Examples of major international assessment reports that refute their claim include
Kabat, P., Claussen, M., Dirmeyer, P.A., J.H.C. Gash, L. Bravo de Guenni, M. Meybeck, R.A. Pielke Sr., C.J. Vorosmarty, R.W.A. Hutjes, and S. Lutkemeier, Editors, 2004: Vegetation, water, humans and the climate: A new perspective on an interactive system. Springer, Berlin, Global Change – The IGBP Series, 566 pp
and
National Research Council, 2005: Radiative forcing of climate change: Expanding the concept and addressing uncertainties. Committee on Radiative Forcing Effects on Climate Change, Climate Research Committee, Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, Division on Earth and Life Studies, The National Academies Press, Washington, D.C., 208 pp
In National Research Council (2005) it is written
“…..the traditional global mean TOA radiative forcing concept has some important limitations, which have come increasingly to light over the past decade. The concept is inadequate for some forcing agents, such as absorbing aerosols and land-use changes, that may have regional climate impacts much greater than would be predicted from TOA radiative forcing. Also, it diagnoses only one measure of climate change—global mean surface temperature response—while offering little information on regional climate change or precipitation. These limitations can be addressed by expanding the radiative forcing concept and through the introduction of additional forcing metrics. In particular, the concept needs to be extended to account for (1) the vertical structure of radiative forcing, (2) regional variability in radiative forcing, and (3) nonradiative forcing.”
“Regional variations in radiative forcing may have important regional and global climatic implications that are not resolved by the concept of global mean radiative forcing. Tropospheric aerosols and landscape changes have particularly heterogeneous forcings. To date, there have been only limited studies of regional radiative forcing and response. Indeed, it is not clear how best to diagnose a regional forcing and response in the observational record; regional forcings can lead to global climate responses, while global forcings can be associated with regional climate responses. Regional diabatic heating can also cause atmospheric teleconnections that influence regional climate thousands of kilometers away from the point of forcing. Improving societally relevant projections of regional climate impacts will require a better understanding of the magnitudes of regional forcings and the associated climate responses.”
“Several types of forcings—most notably aerosols, land-use and land-cover change, and modifications to biogeochemistry—impact the climate system in nonradiative ways, in particular by modifying the hydrological cycle and vegetation dynamics. Aerosols exert a forcing on the hydrological cycle by modifying cloud condensation nuclei, ice nuclei, precipitation efficiency, and the ratio between solar direct and diffuse radiation received. Other nonradiative forcings modify the biological components of the climate system by changing the fluxes of trace gases and heat between vegetation, soils, and the atmosphere and by modifying the amount and types of vegetation. No metrics for quantifying such nonradiative forcings have been accepted. Nonradiative forcings have eventual radiative impacts, so one option would be to quantify these radiative impacts. However, this approach may not convey appropriately the impacts of nonradiative forcings on societally relevant climate variables such as precipitation or ecosystem function. Any new metrics must also be able to characterize the regional structure in nonradiative forcing and climate response.”
The authors of the letter to the Members of Congress have failed to communicate these issues to them in their communication.
Summary
The authors of this letter to Congress clearly are advocates for particular policy actions based on their (in my view) inaccurately narrow view of the role of humans within the climate system. They are trying to claim they are only focusing on the science issues, but even a casual examination of their letter shows they are advocates. They still, unfortunately, have not read my son’s book
Pielke, R. A. Jr, 2007: The Honest Broker: Making Sense of Science in Policy and Politics (Cambridge University Press, 2007) should be required reading to determine the role that each AGU member wants to serve with respect to their interface with the political process.
in order to educate them on the role they have chosen when interfacing with policymakers.
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So the question arises, in light of the 50 million things we don’t apprarently understand about climate, at what point in our understanding do we take action?
The items in the list above might take 20 years to nail down and that research may very well prove that they make things better, worse or have no effect at all.
In the mean time I am cynical enough to believe that this list would have grown ever longer, along with the insistence that there be an additional 20 years of inaction.
This looks to me like an institutional failing called the “boiled frog” effect.
If courage was something of value here I would say “stuff it” “damn the torpedoes” and take action.
Budget cuts have got to start somewhere. These 18 gentlemen, and the institutions that support them, would be a good place to start excising fat from the budget. I hate it for their families. I don’t see any names on that list smart enough to support themselves without government largess.
John Whitman – You have asked an excellent question. Please read my post
A Way Forward In Climate Science Based On A Bottom-Up Resource-Based Perspective
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/a-way-forward-in-climate-science-based-on-a-bottom-up-resourse-based-perspective/
As I stated above, I am a layperson with a military background, this does not make a stupid person.
I can read a few words and now and then string a sentence together!
I cannot argue the science with you guys as I would lose no matter what side I was arguing for.
I am just a normal guy with a a business who likes to look into things a bit deeper than your ordinary Joe.
I have been watching the pro and anti AGW camps closely and I come down in favour of the anti side. Let me explain why.
Taxation:
The UK was one of the first countries to be taxed on CO2, there is a thing called P11D, a taxation policy for benefit in kind. This had a direct effect on those people who drove company cars and is based on the CO2 emissions of each vehicle. There is a P11D attached to every new car on sale in the UK and it has been there for many years. Amazingly the tax liability increases annually for company car users! So, many company car drivers opt out of company car schemes and take an allowance per month to lease or buy a car (they are still taxed on that allowance but at normal income tax rates).
Carbon Trading:
New markets setup to compete directly with the financial markets, yet controlled by the very same Central Banking kabals.
So what has this got to do with 18 “Scientists” sending a letter?
Quite a bloody lot tbh as we have the same kind of eco, global, new green, old red lunatics here in the UK. They lobby those so called Politicians “puppets” and get their own way which is drastically harming our economy, our standard of living and our way of life.
Whilst you guys and girls can argue the Science I as a layman can see what these corrupt policies are doing to me, my family and my country.
If there was a clear danger and I am not talking IPCC Himylayan Glaciers here, then I would step up to the plate and say that we need to act. However I do not believe this is the case. I believe, yes a word with religious connotations, that I am not a denier and that infact I am a realist.
Sorry for the long diatribe but I just had to make my position clear.
Why I, a mere engineer, have no trust in what these 18 scientists say: Driving home from a basketball tournament this evening, my car’s outside temperature readout had been reading 42 deg F for the past hour as I traversed rural countryside. As I approached, passed through, and out of a small city of 60,000 inhabitants, the temperature went from 42 degrees to 47 and back to 42 degrees on the other side. This was in the space of ten minutes. I’ve seen the temperature go up and back down like this by as much as 12 degrees in Dallas and Birmingham. Most, if not all, of these scientists deny any significant UHI effect on the temperature record. They do this because it invalidates what they advocate. The have no credibility, no character, and no shame.
Amazing Mike how they will not even discuss the heat island effect and why so many of the “outer stations” no longer count in the stats.
Behind every scheme, there is a schemer!
I do daily heat checks on my house every day, The lounge is ok, the bedrooms fine, the hallway a tad cooler than the rest, just ran a bath and lo and behold it is the hottest place in this house. Why is that? It is -5 outside btw, gotta love this warming!
@Josh Grella
“The only ones who are using “sciency sounding language” are the advocates of CAGW…”
Josh you are inspiring me. Steven Colbert coined the word, ‘Truthiness’ which is a “truth” that a person claims to know intuitively “from the gut” without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts. (see Wikipedia)
So now we can call it what it is: ‘scienciness’.
Scienciness is a ‘scientific understanding’ that a person claims to know intuitively “from the works of the Team” without regard to rebuttals, R-squared values, climate history or geological facts for all that they deny.
The scienciness is settled, of that I have no doubt. Science on the other hand, settles on methods, not outcomes.
Much of the scienciness written in support of CAGW has the imprimatur of climate science. I refer to the religious view that is it “official that the book is free of doctrinal or moral error.” as certified by a “bishop or archbishop.” Priestcraft!
https://tomfolio.pbworks.com/w/page/22340573/Glossary-Page-I
Well, an independent investigation of truthiness will usually reveal scienciness for what it is.
Free the minds: free the people.
Whew! That’s a relief! I was afraid you might be doing daily checks every week! /sarc
I do weekly checks every hour, every 3rd day with half hourly checks every 2nd day, well thats what my model told me to do! I have removed the central heating system from all equations as this cannot be a factor at all.
Then I have my placebo model, that has no data but I just hide the data that is not available as all emails have been deleted, or are tied up in an mysql database that cannot be read by the human eye.
Either way I am a winner as my grant funding to research why the common housefly now has heat boils on their arses has just been approved, this could be because of AGW, I will report back in about 3 years once I need more funds but I am sure the results will form the new consensus as to why the common housefly has botty boils and burns on their rear ends!
Addendum:
We may find that these burns are due to frostbite, which in all probability is also caused by AGW.
Watch this space.
Scott Brim : “Challenging the conclusions of government-funded scientific organizations is ultimately what it’s all about. ”
So, Scott , do you assert that the scientific findings are wrong because the government provides funding?
I still say, once they figure the mistakes in their model, the knowledge will once again disappear . . . I believe in schemers . . .
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=weather+gambling+sites&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
LazyTeenager says:
February 5, 2011 at 6:43 pm
“This looks to me like an institutional failing called the “boiled frog” effect.”
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to publish my rebuttal to the boiled frog metaphor:
Once upon a time, not so very long ago, there was a small beautiful pond, in a glade, by the forest. In this pond lived 10 happy, frolicking frogs.
One particular cold morning, one vocal frog noticed a mist rising from the surface of the pond. He immediately shouted “Wake up! Wake up! You sleepy frogs. The pond is beginning to boil!”
All the other frogs rubbed their eyes in amazement, for indeed, there was steam rising from the pond. Quickly they held a meeting and came to a consensus. Yes! The pond was indeed beginning to boil!
Emergency plans for pond evacuation were quickly implemented, and the frogs left the pond.
Nine of the frogs were gobbled up by snakes and birds. The last frog managed to escape the ravenous predators, but was caught in the opening, by the noon sun, which dried him to a pretzel.
And the flies,lived happily ever after. GK
Noelle says:
February 7, 2011 at 5:27 am
So, Scott , do you assert that the scientific findings are wrong because the government provides funding?
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Noelle & Scott Brim,
Thanks for highlighting a great topic.
I submit that when government provides funding to scientific research then political influence on it must be assumed as a (and I reluctantly used the following phrase) precautionary principal. A rational position is to be skeptically on the look out for any political influenced funding bias; this focus recently is very intense on climate science research funding.
So, Noelle, the little skeptical antenna in the back of our minds should be activated when we see climate science funding, it must be tested for funding bias. Although the most intense focus has recently been on climate science research, the idea applies to other areas of research.
John
John Whitman wrote: “So, Noelle, the little skeptical antenna in the back of our minds should be activated when we see climate science funding, it must be tested for funding bias. ”
Shouldn’t this be true of all scientific research? From any source? Why or why not?
Scott and Noelle,
Having to test of funding bias should not be true at any level. We require disclosure of funding because of rare frauds in the past. We should be able to judge research on the merits and for that we need to be able to assess the merits, which requires open disclosure of data and methods and in some cases computer codes. What should raise our skeptical antenna is when these are withheld or made more difficult than necessary. What should reassure us is full and open disclosure, helpful assistance in reproducing results, a thorough review of the relevant literature, and a frank acknowledgment of the merits of competing hypotheses and of evidence or data which poses difficulties and is a possible source of error.
DirkH says:
February 4, 2011 at 11:14 am
….,,,, BTW it hasn’t warmed since 1998.
Dirk, maybe you can be the first one to answer this question for me…. Why does everyone pick 1998 as they’re year for this analysis? Is it because it’s the only year (aka hottest) out of the past 12 where you can make your case? What happens if you pick 1997 or 1999? Or for that matter, why don’t you just look at the trend over the past 10 or 15 years… Do you really think picking the hottest year to begin your curve is a good analysis technique?
Robb876,
1998 is kind of an iconic year. Scientists worked hard to make sure it was the warmest year on record, especially by adjusting troublesome records back in the 1930s. In 2005, James Hansen had little trouble citing an analysis of ocean heat storage ending in 1998. Keep in mind, that in climate terms, basing a trend or alarmism on a single 60 year period is pretty questionable, since it can only sample one cycle of certain multi-decade climate modes like the Pacific Decadal Oscillation. The citations of 1998 by skeptics are just a bit of cheeky payback for those who might not want their previous statements citing 1998 played back to them if they object too vociferously. Climate science just needs another decade or two of good data and advancement in understanding and maybe a “consensus” will form at a less unscientifically enforced pace.
Noelle says:
February 8, 2011 at 7:00 am
‘””Shouldn’t this be true of all scientific research? From any source? Why or why not?””
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Noelle,
Thanks for your reply.
It (skeptical test for funding bias) should be done for all research and from any funding sources, not just climate science funded by government. That said, climate science has a hugely dominate scrutiny recently compared to all other science. Also, regarding the source of funding, I think public (gov’t) money is a different animal than other sources of funding though because it is from a political entity; it has that extra unique potential biasing dimension.
John
a jones says:
February 14, 2011 at 8:02 pm
A short while ago eighteen of the usual suspects wrote a letter to Congress which was rebutted by another letter. Mr, Briggs on his excellent blog gives the details here:
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=3455
With the links and he also proposed an alternative letter which I perhaps, rather testily, criticised as being verbose: not that the previous two letter were not even worse. Talk about rambling.
So for a bit of fun I set to writing a concise letter in draft but alas Mr. Brigg’s blog has moved on so I thought I would put it on here, if Anthony permits, for people to comment on.
It is in a very different style, legislators are used to and use obfustication and circumlocution but they are mostly lawyers and also understand clear and direct language, as should everybody else. Clarity is not a vice.
Please note this is only a first draft and I have omitted the bits and pieces at the top and bottom because they are matter of form.
But readers might wish to c0mpare it with the actual letters to see which is clearer.
So: Draft V1
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To members of etc. blah
You have received a letter from eighteen of our colleagues describing themselves as climatologists which says in essence that the climate is changing in ways detrimental to the USA and that they can explain why and how humans are causing it and can therefore prevent it: and should.
We profoundly disagree. We do not doubt that people affect local climate such as in cities and possibly on larger regional scales due to changes in agriculture, irrigation etc. But it is our view that the great weather systems which produce the climate are driven by vast natural forces the causes and actions of which are only very imperfectly understood so that on a global scale we cannot, at the moment, distinguish natural variation from what, if any, effect might be caused by human activity.
We also think that any current attempt to predict global climate is futile even over decades, let alone centuries, because we do not yet know enough about the mechanisms involved, the relationship between them and our existing measurements, and the degree of certainty we can place on the modelling techniques used: and further note that none of the short term predictions made using these unverified methods have so far come to pass. Quite the reverse.
Our eighteen colleagues also suggest that a warming global climate would present some kind of grave environmental threat to the USA yet every such claim they make has long since been rebutted by experiment or observation published in peer reviewed journals. We further point out that from the historical record there have been periods in this interglacial which have been either warmer or cooler than today and that in the warmer periods human civilisation has tended to flourish: and consequently we might expect that were the globe to warm and CO2 levels rise, as our eighteen colleagues suggest, this would prove a great boon.
We are only too aware that in the last few years there has been a widespread and powerful claque who, for whatever reasons, have trumpeted a message of doom about anthropogenic global warming based on their own peculiar views of science, technology and history: and further have sought to suppress or belittle any opinion to the contrary.
So we welcome the suggestion of our eighteen colleagues that you should examine the science properly, and would be delighted to participate the better to explain that there are other points of view supported by excellent science.
Yours etc. blah.
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I hope this is of interest.
Kindest Regards