Comments On The Hill’s Post “Scientists Ask Congress To Put Aside Politics, Take ‘Fresh Look’ At Climate Data”
By Dr. Roger Pielke Sr.
There is an article in The Hill’s Energy and Environment Blog on February 1 2011 by Andrew Restuccia titled [h/t/ Bob Ferguson]
Scientists ask Congress to put aside politics, take ‘fresh look’ at climate data
The news article starts with the text
More than a dozen scientists took aim at climate skeptics in a letter to members of Congress late last week, calling on lawmakers to put aside politics and focus on the science behind climate change.
In the Jan. 28 letter, 18 scientists from various universities and research centers called on lawmakers to take a “fresh look” at climate change.
“Political philosophy has a legitimate role in policy debates, but not in the underlying climate science,” the scientists said in the letter. “There are no Democratic or Republican carbon dioxide molecules; they are all invisible and they all trap heat.”
Other excerpts from the news article read [with my comments right below each excerpt]
“The scientists took aim at climate skeptics. “Climate change deniers cloak themselves in scientific language, selectively critiquing aspects of mainstream climate science,” the scientists said. “Sometimes they present alternative hypotheses as an explanation of a particular point, as if the body of evidence were a house of cards standing or falling on one detail; but the edifice of climate science instead rests on a concrete foundation.”
My Comment
Actually, the focus almost exclusively on the radiative effect of CO2 and a few other grenhouse gases is a house of cards. As we documented in our paper (in which each author is a Fellow of the American Geophysical Union)
Pielke Sr., R., K. Beven, G. Brasseur, J. Calvert, M. Chahine, R. Dickerson, D. Entekhabi, E. Foufoula-Georgiou, H. Gupta, V. Gupta, W. Krajewski, E. Philip Krider, W. K.M. Lau, J. McDonnell, W. Rossow, J. Schaake, J. Smith, S. Sorooshian, and E. Wood, 2009: Climate change: The need to consider human forcings besides greenhouse gases. Eos, Vol. 90, No. 45, 10 November 2009, 413. Copyright (2009) American Geophysical Union
“In addition to greenhouse gas emissions, other first-order human climate forcings are important to understanding the future behavior of Earth’s climate. These forcings are spatially heterogeneous and include the effect of aerosols on clouds and associated precipitation [e.g., Rosenfeld et al., 2008], the influence of aerosol deposition (e.g., black carbon (soot) [Flanner et al. 2007] and reactive nitrogen [Galloway et al., 2004]), and the role of changes in land use/land cover [e.g., Takata et al., 2009]. Among their effects is their role in altering atmospheric and ocean circulation features away from what they would be in the natural climate system [NRC, 2005]. As with CO2, the lengths of time that they affect the climate are estimated to be on multidecadal time scales and longer.
Therefore, the cost-benefit analyses regarding the mitigation of CO2 and other greenhouse gases need to be considered along with the other human climate forcings in a broader environmental context, as well as with respect to their role in the climate system.”
and
“The evidence predominantly suggests that humans are significantly altering the global environment, and thus climate, in a variety of diverse ways beyond the effects of human emissions of greenhouse gases, including CO2…….Because global climate models do not accurately simulate (or even include) several of these other first-order human climate forcings, policy makers must be made aware of the inability of the current generation of models to accurately forecast regional climate risks to resources on multidecadal time scales.”
The failure of this group of climate scientists to consider this broader perspective illustrates their inappropriately narrow view of climate including the role of humans in affecting it, as well as of other social and environmental threats as discussed in the weblog post
A Way Forward In Climate Science Based On A Bottom-Up Resource-Based Perspective
The Hill post also writes
“Congress should, we believe, hold hearings to understand climate science and what it says about the likely costs and benefits of action and inaction,” the scientists wrote. “It should not hold hearings to attempt to intimidate scientists or to substitute ideological judgments for scientific ones.”
The letter of January 28, 2011 to the Members of the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate is from
John Abraham, University of St. Thomas
Barry Bickmore, Brigham Young University
Gretchen Daily,* Stanford University
G. Brent Dalrymple,* Oregon State University
Andrew Dessler, Texas A&M University
Peter Gleick,* Pacific Institute
John Kutzbach,* University of Wisconsin-Madison
Syukuro Manabe,* Princeton University
Michael Mann, Penn State University
Pamela Matson,* Stanford University
Harold Mooney,* Stanford University
Michael Oppenheimer, Princeton University
Ben Santer, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Richard Somerville, Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Kevin Trenberth, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Warren Washington, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Gary Yohe, Wesleyan University
George Woodwell,* The Woods Hole Research Center
*Member of the National Academy of Sciences
The letter is reproduced in the news article and has the following excerpts which I will comment on.
First, two excerpts separated by a few paragraphs illustrates an inconstant claim of the above individuals. They write
“It is not our role as scientists to determine how to deal with problems like climate change. That is a policy matter and rightly must be left to our elected leaders in discussion with all Americans. But, as scientists, we have an obligation to evaluate, report, and explain the science behind climate change.”
but then later state
“We and our colleagues are prepared to assist you as you work to develop a rational and practical national policy to address this important issue.”
My Comment
It’s actually hard to find a more self-contradictory statement!
The next excerpt is
“But no one who argues against the science of climate change has ever provided an alternative scientific theory that adequately satisfies the observable evidence or conforms to our understanding of physics, chemistry, and climate dynamics.”
The authors of the letter do not even define what is “the science of climate change”. From the context of the letter, however, they clearly mean the dominance of the radiative effect of CO2 and a few other gases as being the primary forcing that alters long-term weather statistics and other aspects of the climate. However, it is straightforward to refute this hypothesis as we did in our paper listed above [Pielke et al, 2009] where we documented that the hypothesis
Although the natural causes of climate variations and changes are undoubtedly important, the human influences are significant and are dominated by the emissions into the atmosphere of greenhouse gases, the most important of which is CO2. The adverse impact of these gases on regional and global climate constitutes the primary climate issue for the coming decades.
has been rejected.
The only hypothesis that has not been rejected is
“Although the natural causes of climate variations and changes are undoubtedly important, the human influences are significant and involve a diverse range of first-order climate forcings, including, but not limited to, the human input of carbon dioxide (CO2). Most, if not all, of these human influences on regional and global climate will continue to be of concern during the coming decades.”
We agree that “human activity is changing the climate” e.g. see
Inadvertent Weather Modification: An Information Statement of the American Meteorological Society
(Adopted by the AMS Council on 2 November 2010)
but this statement documents that the influence of humans on the local, regional and global scale is much more than due to the radiative effect of CO2 and a few other greenhouse gases. The narrow perspective presented by the authors of the letter to Congress is not supported by the current scientific knowledge.
The next excerpt is
“Climate change deniers cloak themselves in scientific language, selectively critiquing aspects of mainstream climate science. Sometimes they present alternative hypotheses as an explanation of a particular point, as if the body of evidence were a house of cards standing or falling on one detail; but the edifice of climate science instead rests on a concrete foundation. As an open letter from 255 NAS members noted in the May 2010 Science magazine, no research results have produced any evidence that challenges the overall scientific understanding of what is happening to our planet’s climate and why.”
My Comment
Without commenting on their very inappropriate use of the term “denier”, their claim that “no research results have produced any evidence that challenges the overall scientific understanding of what is happening to our planet’s climate and why”, is blatantly wrong. Examples of major international assessment reports that refute their claim include
Kabat, P., Claussen, M., Dirmeyer, P.A., J.H.C. Gash, L. Bravo de Guenni, M. Meybeck, R.A. Pielke Sr., C.J. Vorosmarty, R.W.A. Hutjes, and S. Lutkemeier, Editors, 2004: Vegetation, water, humans and the climate: A new perspective on an interactive system. Springer, Berlin, Global Change – The IGBP Series, 566 pp
and
National Research Council, 2005: Radiative forcing of climate change: Expanding the concept and addressing uncertainties. Committee on Radiative Forcing Effects on Climate Change, Climate Research Committee, Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, Division on Earth and Life Studies, The National Academies Press, Washington, D.C., 208 pp
In National Research Council (2005) it is written
“…..the traditional global mean TOA radiative forcing concept has some important limitations, which have come increasingly to light over the past decade. The concept is inadequate for some forcing agents, such as absorbing aerosols and land-use changes, that may have regional climate impacts much greater than would be predicted from TOA radiative forcing. Also, it diagnoses only one measure of climate change—global mean surface temperature response—while offering little information on regional climate change or precipitation. These limitations can be addressed by expanding the radiative forcing concept and through the introduction of additional forcing metrics. In particular, the concept needs to be extended to account for (1) the vertical structure of radiative forcing, (2) regional variability in radiative forcing, and (3) nonradiative forcing.”
“Regional variations in radiative forcing may have important regional and global climatic implications that are not resolved by the concept of global mean radiative forcing. Tropospheric aerosols and landscape changes have particularly heterogeneous forcings. To date, there have been only limited studies of regional radiative forcing and response. Indeed, it is not clear how best to diagnose a regional forcing and response in the observational record; regional forcings can lead to global climate responses, while global forcings can be associated with regional climate responses. Regional diabatic heating can also cause atmospheric teleconnections that influence regional climate thousands of kilometers away from the point of forcing. Improving societally relevant projections of regional climate impacts will require a better understanding of the magnitudes of regional forcings and the associated climate responses.”
“Several types of forcings—most notably aerosols, land-use and land-cover change, and modifications to biogeochemistry—impact the climate system in nonradiative ways, in particular by modifying the hydrological cycle and vegetation dynamics. Aerosols exert a forcing on the hydrological cycle by modifying cloud condensation nuclei, ice nuclei, precipitation efficiency, and the ratio between solar direct and diffuse radiation received. Other nonradiative forcings modify the biological components of the climate system by changing the fluxes of trace gases and heat between vegetation, soils, and the atmosphere and by modifying the amount and types of vegetation. No metrics for quantifying such nonradiative forcings have been accepted. Nonradiative forcings have eventual radiative impacts, so one option would be to quantify these radiative impacts. However, this approach may not convey appropriately the impacts of nonradiative forcings on societally relevant climate variables such as precipitation or ecosystem function. Any new metrics must also be able to characterize the regional structure in nonradiative forcing and climate response.”
The authors of the letter to the Members of Congress have failed to communicate these issues to them in their communication.
Summary
The authors of this letter to Congress clearly are advocates for particular policy actions based on their (in my view) inaccurately narrow view of the role of humans within the climate system. They are trying to claim they are only focusing on the science issues, but even a casual examination of their letter shows they are advocates. They still, unfortunately, have not read my son’s book
Pielke, R. A. Jr, 2007: The Honest Broker: Making Sense of Science in Policy and Politics (Cambridge University Press, 2007) should be required reading to determine the role that each AGU member wants to serve with respect to their interface with the political process.
in order to educate them on the role they have chosen when interfacing with policymakers.
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One can completely throw out the temperature record for the past 150 years and still see that the overall climate is warming. The loss of arctic sea ice, retreating alpine glaciers, pole-ward range extensions of numerous species, rising sea temperatures, etc. are all pretty good indicators of that.
It amazes me that anyone can conclude that a 30 percent increase in CO2 since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution can have only a minimal effect on increasing temperatures. What is their motivation? Fear? It is what it is. Sure, climate changes naturally, but humans have changed the chemistry and heat-transfer properties of the atmosphere. Personally, I think it’s probably too late to reverse the trend, and we’ll just have to deal with the consequences of an ever expanding human population and the chaos that will surely come of it.
Douglas says:
February 4, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Theo Goodwin says:February 4, 2011 at 12:43 pm
“I don’t know that this is a health crisis unless you are referring to the whisky swilling Scots!”
The Scot-Irish, the Bushmill’s drinkers.
mikemUK says: February 4, 2011 at 2:32 pm
“To me it seems amazing that Nurse hadn’t done some research on the subject for the programme beforehand,”
Fascinating! Why isn’t the BBC doing a program on the fact that the Head of the Royal Society agreed to do a television program on the AGW debate and proved on camera that he is totally ignorant of the science. In addition, all the BBC editors allowed the program to air and, thereby, proved that they are just as ignorant as Nurse. Given that Nurse is the head of the Royal Society, his ignorance proves that the level of knowledge about AGW at the Royal Society and the BBC is lower than that of the man on the street. In other words, Nurse’s performance is hard, cold proof that the Royal Society and the BBC are totally driven by ideology in the AGW debate and quite happy to lie to their public. Why is this not a national scandal in Britain? Are all Britains now Post Normal Scientists?
JimF – Thanks for finding the typo! I have corrected.
Edit note:
Another malaprop: “an inconstant claim”; “inconsistent claim”, surely?
According to the Carbon War Room ( carbonwarroom.com ), the Situation is dire; it’s CCC!! (Catastrophic Climate Change). They make it clear that it’s really CACC (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change) they mean, tho’:
This is Branson and a buncha industry and Vulture Venturist and Change Agent heavy hitters:
http://www.carbonwarroom.com/about/founders
Theo Goodwin says:
February 4, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Douglas says:
February 4, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Theo Goodwin says:February 4, 2011 at 12:43 pm
The Scot-Irish, the Bushmill’s drinkers.
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Aha! – The subtle distinction – and they take it everywhere they settle too! Come to think of it – there are more Irish and Scots in the US, Australia and N.Z. than in the UK – so they are in no danger of extinction – just contaminating the REAL indigenous people!
Cheers
Douglas
The above makes me think, though, that Creighton’s famous didactic technological replacement example was wrong, though. The automobile did not save us from being buried in horse
shitmanure.Smokey says:
February 4, 2011 at 5:40 pm
eadler is crazier’n Barrie Harrop. You couldn’t get 97% of any group of people to agree that the Pope is Catholic.
Smokey,
Your statement applies to Pielke Sr, who together with James Annan is the author of a report on a poll which he took and published. Based on their poll,
http://www.jamstec.go.jp/frsgc/research/d5/jdannan/survey.pdf
Almost all respondents (at least 97%) conclude that the human addition of CO2 into the atmosphere is an important component of the climate system and has contributed to some extent in recent observed global average warming.
So now you can call Pielke Sr. and James Annan, the originators of the poll, and the authors of the report crazy.
While you are at it, you can call James Doran, the author of a different poll crazy. His independent poll also find 97% of climate researchers also attribute global warming to GHG’s emitted due to human activity.
http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf
In our survey, the most specialized and knowledgeable respondents (with regard to climate change) are those who listed climate science
as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of
their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change (79 individuals in total). Of these specialists, 96.2% (76 of 79) answered “risen” to question 1 and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2.
REPLY: 77 respondents? hardly a valid representative sample of scientists, your example is ridiculous – Anthony
A lot of people have been hoodwinked into believing that global warming has been caused by people, countries, factories and cars emitting co2, carbon dioxide. THIS IS NOT TRUE. We have been the victims of a hoax that simply engineers more taxes.
I went to see Al Gore in Glasgow and it cost me £700 just to sit at a table and watch him speak about climate change, Hilton hotel in Glasgow. I believed it all. I thought, shit the planet is melting! You see, my planet, yes it’s mine as it’s the only one I live on has to be protected against harm as it’s also my son’s and your planet.
But let us look at some facts. Carbon Dioxide is a natural gas that has been in our atmosphere for millions of years, probably before time began as we know it. Carbon Dioxide is vital for our survival, we as human beings emit this with every breath we take and make. It is then absorbed by flora and fauna and transformed into life giving Oxygen. So to all activists out there who believe in save a tree I say, keep breathing as your co2 is needed by our green friends. I love this green place, I love clean water and I love being able to see a clear blue sky, apart from fighetr jets chem trailing everywhere.
It is a fact that has been proven by climatologists that the earth ceased warming in 1997 and that this is not due to reduced emissions from cars, vans nor factories. This is due purely to the effect the sun has on our atmosphere. Whenever the sun spurts it’s sun spots it is showing it’s power and violence. Sun spots are huge explosions in the sun’s gaseous climate. These spots not only affect the earth but they also affect every other planet.
When you watch the news and you hear “oh my god the antarctic and artic polar caps are melting”. You are in fear as you think if they melt we will be flooded. This is wrong, they melt every year during the summer months and more so when sun spot activity hits our planet. Th glaciers are actually increasing in size as the earth is cooling, not warming up as Al Gore would have us believe.
Sea level change, simple equation here is this. Glaciers melt, sea level rises, we drown. This is what you are told, so where is Noah?
Reality, the majority of any glacier or iceberg is already underwater so the top of it melting will not matter to the volume of water in our oceans. Oh and can polar bears survive?
Yes they can, Polar bears have been known to swim distances of over 200 miles, tracked with rc collars. they have two layers of fur, the first one is so insulated that they will not even show on an infra red camera pointed at them as there is no heat loss. The second coat is needled, this means that each hair acts as a wee tube to absorb heat and transfer it to the core organs. A polar bear in the water is at home as you and me might be lying on a sunny beach. The biggest threat to polar bears is us, man, hunting them and not climate change.
Climage change is continual, we have had ice ages before and it has had nothing to do with human output of carbon dioxide. It is the result of the changes in the sun’s atmosphere.
Carbon dioxide is not the issue here. Without co2 we die. So why has it become the issue? The answer is simple, cars, people and companies can be taxed because Governments and the media make it so. There is no legitimate reason to give a car or a van a co2 emission rating other than to allow a tax to be made on it. This would be the same as taxing dairy farmers who have herds that fart, so let’s have a fart tax too. Sounds funny, but it is not as the USA have already tried this.
And to all the climate change/global warming activists I just want to tell you a wee story.
I recycled as much as I could. Plastic, tin, steel, paper etc. I had a green bin that it all went into. I was doing my bit for mother earth. I was then faced with a problem as the local council, who i pay £1200 a year to in council tax, refused to empty the recycle bin. Eight weeks and they would not empty it and I complained to be told, we cannot recycle materials contained withing platic bags. I said so you cannot recycle plastic bottles and containers contained within a platic sack. I was told NO. So if plastic cannot be recycled when it is contained within plastic then what is the point. I then did some research and found out that the same council use 34 vans to collect the recycled waste, they do 1.6 million miles in diesel powered vans, medium sizze. to collect this waste. Then they transport this waste to a central collection point. It is then loaded into trucks to take it a further 90 miles. This recycling amounts to 900 tons per week. So how is this friend;ly to the planet? This kind of recycling is counter productive as it is causing more pollution than it solves.
I helped the ozone today, I took my recycling bin into my garden, stroked it fondly and said goodbye and set fire to it.
People are not the problem, co2 is not the problem. Politicians are the problem.
Only 18 left that wish to hang together. Even Hansen has deserted, probably to go back to AGCooling and the next IceAge where he started in the early 70s. pg
eadler says:
February 4, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Based on their poll,[—]
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Yawn
Gosh eadler, your argument has all the attributes of an advertisement for a brand of soap powder.
Douglas
DirkH & Mike Haseler,
I am late to this thread party.
My assessment of PNS is somewhat similar to yours. My own view is that PNS is a symptomatic behavior of the IPCC consensus climate science advocates. The solution for a renaissance/reformed climate science cannot include PNS if it is to abandon the past climate science biased advocacy.
John
Roger, I hope you sent this post to members of Congress – especially the Democratic members in both the House and the Senate – to thoroughly guide their investigation and analysis. From a policy maker standpoint, your statement is highly useful and informative.
Brian H says:
February 4, 2011 at 8:22 pm
The above makes me think, though, that Creighton’s famous didactic technological replacement example was wrong, though. The automobile did not save us from being buried in horseshit manure.
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Oh yes it did.
By 1905 the motor cab fares in London were two thirds of the horse cabs.
My late grandfather, born 1881, thought the elimination of horse manure in London Town, was the greatest improvement in his lifetime.
My elderly mother, who is nearly a hundred, which is a great age, can still remember the stench of horse manure in the London streets of her childhood.
And, having moved to the country for safety seeing the first Zeppelin being shot down in flames.
Except it was not a Zeppelin of course it was a Schutte Lanz.
People forget how late the overall change from literal horsepower to ICE especially in agriculture was, roughly speaking in the USA and the UK and elsewhere it happened in the 1950’s.
And a good thing too. In 1900 a quarter of the arable land in the UK went for fodder: corn ethanol anybody?
How quickly we forget the problems of the past, including its great weather disasters, and how far we have come in in a generation due to our ever advancing technology.
Although the Luddites are always with us and would upon some pretext or another try to drive us back into the past. Well the past is a foreign country, they do things differently there: and we have advanced since then.
And I for one do not wish to go back there.
Kindest Regards
Hey eadler,
The only thing 97% of ‘climate researchers’ have in common is that they are probably either academics or bureaucrats who’s adventures are largely funded with other peoples (taxpayers) money. I sure hope that there isn’t something ($) that could possibly be causing their opinions to be other than purely unbiased? [sarc]
And…….. They say at the end of the article; “…but the edifice of climate science instead rests on a concrete foundation.”
Hmmm. Maybe they should have chosen a different metaphor! Aren’t portland cement manufacturing and aggregate mining two of the industries the idealists need to run out of the state in order to achieve their rediculous goals?
eadler,
As I am sure you are aware, the below quote is cherry picked from the paper I referred to:
“In our survey, the most specialized and knowledgeable respondents (with regard to climate change) are those who listed climate science
as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of
their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change (79 individuals in total). Of these specialists, 96.2% (76 of 79) answered “risen” to question 1 and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2.”
What of the 300 who don’t believe the earth has warmed? What of the fact that no physicists, engineers, or statisticians are included in the survey? It is these disciplines that understand thermodynamics, heat transfer, fluid dynamics, statistical analysis, and the difference between accuracy and precision that climate scientists conflate when discussing their beloved models. And it is these disciplines that would understand why Lindzen said that a climate system dominated by positive feedbacks is “intuitively implausible.”
Uh, Mr. Jones …
my immediately preceding post was the “Situation” statement etc. by the CarbonWarRoom boyz. That was the “horse
shitmanure” I was humourously implying has now replaced the previous supply.Duz yuh get it naow?
😉
^Note smilie/emoticon.
a jones says:
February 4, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Brian H says:
February 4, 2011 at 8:22 pm
The above makes me think, though, that Creighton’s famous didactic technological replacement example was wrong, though. The automobile did not save us from being buried in horseshit manure
Oh yes it did.
By 1905 the motor cab fares in London were two thirds of the horse cabs.[—]
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ajones. As interesting and true as you argument is, my take on Brian H’s observation was that he was referring to the verbal horsh—t that has overtaken us today despite the removal of the genuine article from the streets of London (and elsewhere)
Cheers
Douglas
Doug Badgero;
Give it up. Anyone who doesn’t recognize that stupid student survey and analysis as a textbook example of data snooping and half a dozen other fatal statistical errors (self-selection not least among them) is either winding you up or brain-burned or doing a perseverative thread-hijack.
Doug B;
Unless, of course, you’re doing an autodidactic exercise to develop yet another wannabe science, gluteology.
Calvi36 says: February 4, 2011 at 8:34 pm
A lot of people have been hoodwinked into believing that global warming has been caused by people, countries, factories and cars emitting co2, carbon dioxide. THIS IS NOT TRUE. We have been the victims of a hoax that simply engineers more taxes.[—-
I helped the ozone today, I took my recycling bin into my garden, stroked it fondly and said goodbye and set fire to it.]
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Calvi36. Good for you. I liked your story – especially that last sentence – Just the right reaction to those Local Authority mindless Wa—kers. But they will most likely be back to punish you for lighting a fire in your back yard without first obtaining a resource consent to emit particulates to air. Sorry to be the one to tell you this an’ all.
Good luck with your summons. You might need a good lawyer.
Douglas
Dr. Roger Pielke Sr,
I enjoyed your commentary on the letter to members of Congress authored by the 18 scientists. Both the clarity and the simply stated approach that you took were needed.
Question – Because I consider it crucial to the ongoing climate science dialog, what do you see as the key strategic argument for a rational resolution to end the biased advocacy in climate science? Do you think there is one key line of reasoning that encompasses all other arguments in restoring a more open rational process in climate science? My thinking of late is that the key strategic argument for a return to rational dialog is identifying and eliminating the root cause of the bias/advocacy (whatever is the root). I would be interested in your perspective on this.
Regards,
John
The science of climate change has been complicated by humans who want to make it look very complicated when in fact they are the ones who can’t understand it. The process of climate change is a lot simpler with the difficulty arising only from our ignorance of factors at play which if we got would enable us analyze and predict climate change accurately and with ease. We will also be able to manage climate change by intervening on the natural factors to manipulate the natural climate cycles. To understand how all these happen, see the correct theory of climate change on http://www.climatechange.epitomeillustrations.com. Policy makers need to understand the correct explanation of what causes climate change and how if they are to formulate appropriate policies. It is not just doing anything which matters but doing the correct thing. If climate change scientists have been looking for an alternative theory that adequately accounts for climate change and all observable phenomena, then it is available.
Smokey says:
February 4, 2011 at 11:04 am
They could only get 18?? Pathetic. And even worse, Peter Gleick is one of the 18. The same Peter Gleick who is one of only a handful of commenters who has been banned from WUWT, after several warnings, for his endless personal diatribes and childish behavior.
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Smokey,
OK, I will take the bait happily.
Smokey, can you point me to some WUWT posts where Peter Gleick’s behavior has led to restrictions in posting on WUWT?
Moderators – I did a search of Peter Cleick’s name in the dialog box at the upper right of the WUWT main screen. It did not bring up anything relevant.
Thanks,
John
REPLY: The search box only searches within titles and body of the articles, not comments. Glieck made some pretty nasty comments IIRC. – Anthony