Comments On The Hill’s Post “Scientists Ask Congress To Put Aside Politics, Take ‘Fresh Look’ At Climate Data”
By Dr. Roger Pielke Sr.
There is an article in The Hill’s Energy and Environment Blog on February 1 2011 by Andrew Restuccia titled [h/t/ Bob Ferguson]
Scientists ask Congress to put aside politics, take ‘fresh look’ at climate data
The news article starts with the text
More than a dozen scientists took aim at climate skeptics in a letter to members of Congress late last week, calling on lawmakers to put aside politics and focus on the science behind climate change.
In the Jan. 28 letter, 18 scientists from various universities and research centers called on lawmakers to take a “fresh look” at climate change.
“Political philosophy has a legitimate role in policy debates, but not in the underlying climate science,” the scientists said in the letter. “There are no Democratic or Republican carbon dioxide molecules; they are all invisible and they all trap heat.”
Other excerpts from the news article read [with my comments right below each excerpt]
“The scientists took aim at climate skeptics. “Climate change deniers cloak themselves in scientific language, selectively critiquing aspects of mainstream climate science,” the scientists said. “Sometimes they present alternative hypotheses as an explanation of a particular point, as if the body of evidence were a house of cards standing or falling on one detail; but the edifice of climate science instead rests on a concrete foundation.”
My Comment
Actually, the focus almost exclusively on the radiative effect of CO2 and a few other grenhouse gases is a house of cards. As we documented in our paper (in which each author is a Fellow of the American Geophysical Union)
Pielke Sr., R., K. Beven, G. Brasseur, J. Calvert, M. Chahine, R. Dickerson, D. Entekhabi, E. Foufoula-Georgiou, H. Gupta, V. Gupta, W. Krajewski, E. Philip Krider, W. K.M. Lau, J. McDonnell, W. Rossow, J. Schaake, J. Smith, S. Sorooshian, and E. Wood, 2009: Climate change: The need to consider human forcings besides greenhouse gases. Eos, Vol. 90, No. 45, 10 November 2009, 413. Copyright (2009) American Geophysical Union
“In addition to greenhouse gas emissions, other first-order human climate forcings are important to understanding the future behavior of Earth’s climate. These forcings are spatially heterogeneous and include the effect of aerosols on clouds and associated precipitation [e.g., Rosenfeld et al., 2008], the influence of aerosol deposition (e.g., black carbon (soot) [Flanner et al. 2007] and reactive nitrogen [Galloway et al., 2004]), and the role of changes in land use/land cover [e.g., Takata et al., 2009]. Among their effects is their role in altering atmospheric and ocean circulation features away from what they would be in the natural climate system [NRC, 2005]. As with CO2, the lengths of time that they affect the climate are estimated to be on multidecadal time scales and longer.
Therefore, the cost-benefit analyses regarding the mitigation of CO2 and other greenhouse gases need to be considered along with the other human climate forcings in a broader environmental context, as well as with respect to their role in the climate system.”
and
“The evidence predominantly suggests that humans are significantly altering the global environment, and thus climate, in a variety of diverse ways beyond the effects of human emissions of greenhouse gases, including CO2…….Because global climate models do not accurately simulate (or even include) several of these other first-order human climate forcings, policy makers must be made aware of the inability of the current generation of models to accurately forecast regional climate risks to resources on multidecadal time scales.”
The failure of this group of climate scientists to consider this broader perspective illustrates their inappropriately narrow view of climate including the role of humans in affecting it, as well as of other social and environmental threats as discussed in the weblog post
A Way Forward In Climate Science Based On A Bottom-Up Resource-Based Perspective
The Hill post also writes
“Congress should, we believe, hold hearings to understand climate science and what it says about the likely costs and benefits of action and inaction,” the scientists wrote. “It should not hold hearings to attempt to intimidate scientists or to substitute ideological judgments for scientific ones.”
The letter of January 28, 2011 to the Members of the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate is from
John Abraham, University of St. Thomas
Barry Bickmore, Brigham Young University
Gretchen Daily,* Stanford University
G. Brent Dalrymple,* Oregon State University
Andrew Dessler, Texas A&M University
Peter Gleick,* Pacific Institute
John Kutzbach,* University of Wisconsin-Madison
Syukuro Manabe,* Princeton University
Michael Mann, Penn State University
Pamela Matson,* Stanford University
Harold Mooney,* Stanford University
Michael Oppenheimer, Princeton University
Ben Santer, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Richard Somerville, Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Kevin Trenberth, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Warren Washington, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Gary Yohe, Wesleyan University
George Woodwell,* The Woods Hole Research Center
*Member of the National Academy of Sciences
The letter is reproduced in the news article and has the following excerpts which I will comment on.
First, two excerpts separated by a few paragraphs illustrates an inconstant claim of the above individuals. They write
“It is not our role as scientists to determine how to deal with problems like climate change. That is a policy matter and rightly must be left to our elected leaders in discussion with all Americans. But, as scientists, we have an obligation to evaluate, report, and explain the science behind climate change.”
but then later state
“We and our colleagues are prepared to assist you as you work to develop a rational and practical national policy to address this important issue.”
My Comment
It’s actually hard to find a more self-contradictory statement!
The next excerpt is
“But no one who argues against the science of climate change has ever provided an alternative scientific theory that adequately satisfies the observable evidence or conforms to our understanding of physics, chemistry, and climate dynamics.”
The authors of the letter do not even define what is “the science of climate change”. From the context of the letter, however, they clearly mean the dominance of the radiative effect of CO2 and a few other gases as being the primary forcing that alters long-term weather statistics and other aspects of the climate. However, it is straightforward to refute this hypothesis as we did in our paper listed above [Pielke et al, 2009] where we documented that the hypothesis
Although the natural causes of climate variations and changes are undoubtedly important, the human influences are significant and are dominated by the emissions into the atmosphere of greenhouse gases, the most important of which is CO2. The adverse impact of these gases on regional and global climate constitutes the primary climate issue for the coming decades.
has been rejected.
The only hypothesis that has not been rejected is
“Although the natural causes of climate variations and changes are undoubtedly important, the human influences are significant and involve a diverse range of first-order climate forcings, including, but not limited to, the human input of carbon dioxide (CO2). Most, if not all, of these human influences on regional and global climate will continue to be of concern during the coming decades.”
We agree that “human activity is changing the climate” e.g. see
Inadvertent Weather Modification: An Information Statement of the American Meteorological Society
(Adopted by the AMS Council on 2 November 2010)
but this statement documents that the influence of humans on the local, regional and global scale is much more than due to the radiative effect of CO2 and a few other greenhouse gases. The narrow perspective presented by the authors of the letter to Congress is not supported by the current scientific knowledge.
The next excerpt is
“Climate change deniers cloak themselves in scientific language, selectively critiquing aspects of mainstream climate science. Sometimes they present alternative hypotheses as an explanation of a particular point, as if the body of evidence were a house of cards standing or falling on one detail; but the edifice of climate science instead rests on a concrete foundation. As an open letter from 255 NAS members noted in the May 2010 Science magazine, no research results have produced any evidence that challenges the overall scientific understanding of what is happening to our planet’s climate and why.”
My Comment
Without commenting on their very inappropriate use of the term “denier”, their claim that “no research results have produced any evidence that challenges the overall scientific understanding of what is happening to our planet’s climate and why”, is blatantly wrong. Examples of major international assessment reports that refute their claim include
Kabat, P., Claussen, M., Dirmeyer, P.A., J.H.C. Gash, L. Bravo de Guenni, M. Meybeck, R.A. Pielke Sr., C.J. Vorosmarty, R.W.A. Hutjes, and S. Lutkemeier, Editors, 2004: Vegetation, water, humans and the climate: A new perspective on an interactive system. Springer, Berlin, Global Change – The IGBP Series, 566 pp
and
National Research Council, 2005: Radiative forcing of climate change: Expanding the concept and addressing uncertainties. Committee on Radiative Forcing Effects on Climate Change, Climate Research Committee, Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, Division on Earth and Life Studies, The National Academies Press, Washington, D.C., 208 pp
In National Research Council (2005) it is written
“…..the traditional global mean TOA radiative forcing concept has some important limitations, which have come increasingly to light over the past decade. The concept is inadequate for some forcing agents, such as absorbing aerosols and land-use changes, that may have regional climate impacts much greater than would be predicted from TOA radiative forcing. Also, it diagnoses only one measure of climate change—global mean surface temperature response—while offering little information on regional climate change or precipitation. These limitations can be addressed by expanding the radiative forcing concept and through the introduction of additional forcing metrics. In particular, the concept needs to be extended to account for (1) the vertical structure of radiative forcing, (2) regional variability in radiative forcing, and (3) nonradiative forcing.”
“Regional variations in radiative forcing may have important regional and global climatic implications that are not resolved by the concept of global mean radiative forcing. Tropospheric aerosols and landscape changes have particularly heterogeneous forcings. To date, there have been only limited studies of regional radiative forcing and response. Indeed, it is not clear how best to diagnose a regional forcing and response in the observational record; regional forcings can lead to global climate responses, while global forcings can be associated with regional climate responses. Regional diabatic heating can also cause atmospheric teleconnections that influence regional climate thousands of kilometers away from the point of forcing. Improving societally relevant projections of regional climate impacts will require a better understanding of the magnitudes of regional forcings and the associated climate responses.”
“Several types of forcings—most notably aerosols, land-use and land-cover change, and modifications to biogeochemistry—impact the climate system in nonradiative ways, in particular by modifying the hydrological cycle and vegetation dynamics. Aerosols exert a forcing on the hydrological cycle by modifying cloud condensation nuclei, ice nuclei, precipitation efficiency, and the ratio between solar direct and diffuse radiation received. Other nonradiative forcings modify the biological components of the climate system by changing the fluxes of trace gases and heat between vegetation, soils, and the atmosphere and by modifying the amount and types of vegetation. No metrics for quantifying such nonradiative forcings have been accepted. Nonradiative forcings have eventual radiative impacts, so one option would be to quantify these radiative impacts. However, this approach may not convey appropriately the impacts of nonradiative forcings on societally relevant climate variables such as precipitation or ecosystem function. Any new metrics must also be able to characterize the regional structure in nonradiative forcing and climate response.”
The authors of the letter to the Members of Congress have failed to communicate these issues to them in their communication.
Summary
The authors of this letter to Congress clearly are advocates for particular policy actions based on their (in my view) inaccurately narrow view of the role of humans within the climate system. They are trying to claim they are only focusing on the science issues, but even a casual examination of their letter shows they are advocates. They still, unfortunately, have not read my son’s book
Pielke, R. A. Jr, 2007: The Honest Broker: Making Sense of Science in Policy and Politics (Cambridge University Press, 2007) should be required reading to determine the role that each AGU member wants to serve with respect to their interface with the political process.
in order to educate them on the role they have chosen when interfacing with policymakers.
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Here is an article worth noting for interest . . . well done, too! I am not saying I agree with his conclusions, mind you . . . . but, I do remember reading about it in Scientific American years ago, and seeing a “boob” tube piece about a geologist that study the phenomenon in certain rocks.
Magnetic Polar Shifts Causing Massive Global Superstorms
Terrence Aym Salem-News.com
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/february042011/global-superstorms-ta.php
Linking these bibliographies is legal . . . right? If it snot, then someone has to stop making it so easy . . .
Regg says:
February 4, 2011 at 10:39 am
“On a final note, maybe the croud (crowd) here should take note that you – there (their) hero – are stating that AGW is real, happening, and getting warmer. Is’nt (Isn’t that) inconveniant (inconvenient)? (sarcasm off).. ”
Apparently the ‘spell check’ was turned off, along with the sarcasm?
The planet earth has been warming in fits and starts since the last ice age. It will continue to do so until whatever alignments of planets, ocean currents, volcanic eruptions, solar activity, extrasolar gamma ray flux, and as yet undiscovered variables are necessary to cause the onset of the next glacial epic. That we will slide into another ice age is a near certainty, based on geologic records. And it may happen soon, based on those same geologic records. The current planetary temperature cyclical trend is well within the historical population of cyclical trends for the Holocene (current) interglacial period, as best we can tell. Your considerable angst for 0.039 per cent atmospheric CO2 is poorly founded, Regg.
The Bard posited an applicable closing:
“There exists more between heaven and earth, Horatio, than is dreamt of in one single philosophy.”
— Hamlet, Act I, Sc. 5
To Mike Jowsey stating This statement defines you as a warmist-alarmist.
Actually an alarmist point of view is someone predicting an ice age as we got more to loose from an ice age than a warm period – still we need to adapt under both of them. The name of the game is accounting the plausible problems and what/how it cost to metigate them – and see what’s the most economic. But if we simply ignores everything and continue the ”no result chatting”, the cost will be higher and the ”disturbance” will be worst. That’s how i see it. To prevent a flood you build dams/levy/dikes – they cost a lot, but it’s less than flooding otherwise you have to assume the risk the higher cost when flooding comes in. That’s basic economic.
To hunter
Just look at the graph from RSpencer posted some days ago on this web site. January 2011 is the second warmest ”La Nina” January since 1979 (41 years is’nt). The warmest being the 1999, but it is disputable as other sources are showing Jan 2011 to be at +0.83 (not -0.009). If it’s the case, then 2011 would really be the warmest January La Nina.
Yearly January temps in La Nina condition since 1979 – best guest value based on the available graphic. Source : http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Jan_2011.gif
1979 -0.24 (not a La Nina but on the negative side of the Enso)
1985 -0.48 (full La Nina at -0.9)
1989 -0.42 (full La Nina at -1.7)
1996 -0.2 (full La Nina at -0.7)
1999 0.02 (full La Nina at -1.4)
2000 -0.32 (on going La Nina at -1.6)
2001 -0.03 (on going La Nina at -0.6)
2008 -0.3 (full La Nina at -1.4)
2011 -0.009 (full La Nina at -1.4) that one is disputable as the current value might be +0.83 according to other sources.
Now i know, some of you will say ” REGG YOU’RE CHERRY PICKING ” .. Not at all. I’m just using the same technic frequently used by the blog’s owner et al. when comparing similar years.
“R2 says:
February 4, 2011 at 10:11 am
’18 Scientists’ = a consensus!”
But how many actually wrote it?
/sarc
“”””” “Political philosophy has a legitimate role in policy debates, but not in the underlying climate science,” the scientists said in the letter. “There are no Democratic or Republican carbon dioxide molecules; they are all invisible and they all trap heat.” “””””
“”””” “There are no Democratic or Republican carbon dioxide molecules; they are all invisible and they all trap heat.” “””””
Well actually, no they don’t so some of those scientists should get out of town.
Those CO2 molecules can and do, capture (for a short while) some LWIR Electromagnetic Radiation; but I have never heard of them trapping “heat”.
“Heat” would be involved in processes like conduction and convection; it certainly isn’t involved in Radiation.
And I never heard of conduction or convection get stopped by trapping; well of course some of the super gell substances, can slow down conduction by having such a low thermal conductivity. But CO2 is not going to be very diferent from air; and even though its specific heat may be different from N2, or O2, or Ar, It is present in such miniscule proportion in the atmospehre, that I doubt that there is much in the peer reviewed literature about changes in atmospheric conduction or convection due to CO2 changing.
And yes, I do believe that the small trace amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, is significant, as to the capture of some portions of the LWIR “Radiation” spectrum; but “heat capture”; nyet on that.
“The debate about climate change has become increasingly ideological and partisan. But climate change is not the product of a belief system or ideology. Instead, it is based on scientific fact, and no amount of argument, coercion, or debate among talking heads in the media can alter the physics of climate change.”
Watch the pea. Here they try equate “climate change” and “physics of climate change” when clearly what they are refering to is neither, it’s their half finished computer models that only work with the fiddle factor called climate sensitivity that has no base in the physics of climate.
‘ It is not our role as scientists to determine how to deal with problems like climate change. That is a policy matter and rightly must be left to our elected leaders in discussion with all Americans. But, as scientists, we have an obligation to evaluate, report, and explain the science behind climate change. ‘
With you all the way bud. So go and “evaluate” how the climate works, you have not even half the story yet. When and only when, you can come back and “report”. In the mean time, butt out of political advocacy.
Correction to my previous post… It’s the graph from the last 31 years. Sorry.
So they ask the senators to drop the politics of climate change and focus on the science, but the very act of scientists asking senators to do this is politics or advocacy – the largest contradiction in the letter is its very purpose, aimed to be political whilst at the same time asking others to not do the same – these “scientists” have shown their true colours and are clearly after more funding, or have some other agenda to push. If they are impartial to politics and are led by only fact and evidence, they would care not what the senators think or do about climate science.
“But no one who argues against the science of climate change has ever provided an alternative scientific theory that adequately satisfies the observable evidence or conforms to our understanding of physics, chemistry, and climate dynamics.”
Neither have those that argue for “the science of climate change”!
I’m frankly not surprised that they focus on the radiative effects of CO2, which are about the oNLY climate energy transport effects of CO2.
While it is true that other things like aerosols can have effects, and can be human influenced; the plain fact is the CO2 is the only crutch they can use to install universal servitude, and obeyance of the edicts of the left.
I’m quite comfortable in the belief (from the data evidence) that CO2 only affects climate via EM radiation, and that other human causes of climate change act in other ways; but oNly CO2 leads to tyranical control of the populace.
“In the Jan. 28 letter, 18 scientists from various universities and research centers called on lawmakers to take a “fresh look” at climate change.”
I note that Michael “Hockey-Stick” Mann is among the 18 scientists. Are the remaining 17 scientists guilty by association of Hockey-Stick’s mal-science?
“The scientists took aim at climate skeptics. “Climate change deniers cloak themselves in scientific language, selectively critiquing aspects of mainstream climate science,” the scientists said.
The original theory presented by these “climate scientists” is that anthropogenic carbon dioxide was responsible for global warming. Not one of these climate experts has provided any “concrete foundation” that this theory has any basis in fact.
The director of the IPCC, Pauchari, admitted in a CNN interview that there was no sustentative evidence that carbon dioxide was the cause of any global warming, a video which I have twice posted previously on WUWT.
The AGW purveyors of mal-science are instead cloaking themselves in a game of changing the name of the game.
Global warming, climate change or climate chaos is not the debate. Change and chaos in the the temperature and climate of Earth are controlled by Nature, much to the chagrin of the multitude of climate modelers.
Climate change, global warming/cooling and climate chaos is ongoing and not linked to the flora and fauna on Earth. If so linked, show the scientific facts supporting that link.
Anecdotes are not proof, but volcanoes have historically been linked to climate anomalies.
Computer models are not reality. Nature is reality. This truism was published by a French journalist several years ago.
“Although the natural causes of climate variations and changes are undoubtedly important, the human influences are significant and are dominated by the emissions into the atmosphere of greenhouse gases, the most important of which is CO2. The adverse impact of these gases on regional and global climate constitutes the primary climate issue for the coming decades.”
I ask the question: What is the difference between the gases in a greenhouse and atmospheric trace gases?
I submit that there is no atmospheric trace gas that acts as a “glass ceiling” that prevents the convection of atmospheric thermal energy, with the exception of water vapor in limited local circumstances.
The most important atmospheric trace gas is water vapor, not carbon dioxide.
The use of the term “denier” is much like the term “racist” and is designed to win the argument by accusation rather than relevant facts.
Congress is not interested in understanding climate, or rather, the government is not. Never let a crisis go to waste. A democrat said that, but they all think that.
Mark
Did you notice who all in that sewing bee, ARE NOT members of the National Academies of Science. And what a publicly noisy sect they are.
For further muddle-headed thinhing, here is part of Phil Jones in email 1111085657.txt Climategate
“My response would have been what is the point of doing any more paleo work, if we
are constrained by the answer we are allowed to get. If we don’t have the MWP and LIA then we are wrong. We have orders of magnitude more data than when these came into vogue in the 1960s, but we still are expected to find them.”
No strong place for radiative physics of GHG here and direct conflict with the H/S.
Laurie Bowen says:
February 4, 2011 at 11:14 am
>>
You should know, I remember a time when they said this incidence of “rapes” had increased when the only phenomenon was . . . that more “rapes” were being reported.
We do not have a higher incidence of domestic abuse than before, only better tracking.
Remeber, hen pecked? Lot’s of men still don’t report abusive women . . . for shame!
>>
Damned good point. New research shows rising CO2 leads to increased rape and domestic violence.
they all should be locked up
I think we should all be seriously concerned when a “special interest” group makes an appeal to any legislative body, be it in the US, UK, Australia or NZ, wherever: not because politicians are corruptible, but because they are vulnerable to accepting so-called arguments at face value if they come from a ‘trusted’ source.
An example:
At the time of the Copenhagen conference a year ago, the late, unlamented UK Prime Minister and former Chancellor, Gordon Brown dismissed sceptics like me as, quote, “flat-earthers”.
It defies belief that in the previous 12 years he had had either the time or energy to be fully cognisant of the AGW arguments, and yet he automatically took the official line.
And he was the man with a massive parliamentary majority.
But it’s worse than that.
Yesterday in WUWT, Barry Woods’ post of the BBC prog. “Science Under Attack” covered it –
Sir Paul Nurse, Nobel Laureate (in a totally unrelated discipline) – newly President of the Royal Society (one of the most prestigious appointments within the entire world of science) apparently ‘bought the lot’ without knowing what it was he had bought.
To me it seems amazing that Nurse hadn’t done some research on the subject for the programme beforehand, but even more, that afterwards he must have had the time to check the facts but didn’t, before the programme was broadcast.
It’s very worrying that 100’s of £m of ordinary folks’ pension funds are now at stake already to these Carbon Exchanges, but it could get a lot worse if they’re not stopped.
Dan in Cal says:
“I think an effective strategy might be to take the EPA to court to demand that they regulate greenhouse gasses in order of effectiveness. When they successfully mandate the quantity of water evaporation over the oceans, they can proceed to the lesser problems such as CO2 and N2O emission by humans.”
Nice try, but before you blow you life savings on a lawyer don’t forget that H2O is only a feedback amplifying the CO2 warming.
Mike Jowsay, spot on, well said!
The absence of Michio Kaku is interesting. It is possible that he wasn’t invited. 🙂
What’s more interesting however is the conspicuous absence of James Hansen and his NASA team. Why were they not invited?
The burden of proof is on the warm-earthers. There is no debate. What is this debate nonsense? It is either AGW or it is not. The alarmists have to prove the case. Not the other way around, and they haven’t. It is their hypothesis from the get-go. However, to falsify the warm-earth thesis, just one assumption has to be disproven—and, like a string of dominoes, they have all fallen. The scientific majority has jumped in to do this, because we were poised to endure Algorian, Draconian solutions to this non-problem.
A good scientist strives to falsify his own hypotheses. None of the “Team” has the scientific strength (or maybe the know-how) to do this, nor have they even tried. They have dishonored themselves, answering the Sirens’ call to booty and fame.
Very sad, indeed.
Regg says:
February 4, 2011 at 1:39 pm
To Mike Jowsey stating This statement defines you as a warmist-alarmist.[—
. But if we simply ignores everything and continue the ”no result chatting”, the cost will be higher and the ”disturbance” will be worst. That’s how i see it. To prevent a flood you build dams/levy/dikes – they cost a lot, but it’s less than flooding otherwise you have to assume the risk the higher cost when flooding comes in. That’s basic economic.]
————————————————————————–
Regg. Your analogy doesn’t stack up. Dams may be built to prevent floods of a known and measurable extent based upon good data gathered from observation of past events. There is no data that determines the extent to which the earth’s atmosphere may warm that may be caused by co2. So you have no idea of what to do about it. You are suggesting that ‘we’ do ‘something’ about a problem that is not defined.
Douglas
P. Solar says:
February 4, 2011 at 2:45 pm
“Nice try, but before you blow you life savings on a lawyer don’t forget that H2O is only a feedback amplifying the CO2 warming.”
Assuming that all the warming is caused by manmade CO2. Will you guys ever get tired of assuming your conclusion?
mikemUK says: February 4, 2011 at 2:32 pm
“To me it seems amazing that Nurse hadn’t done some research on the subject for the programme beforehand,”
It’s not just in Egypt that the plebs are getting angry. You can see it amongst scientists who fear that climategate is going to tar their whole profession as being incompetent charlatans. You can quite understand why. Scientists don’t get paid a lot, but at least they have respect. But the way the scientific oligarchs have pin the reputation of all scientists on the integrity of the climategate team means every scientists is going to be made a laughing stock when this whole house of cards falls.
The peasants are revolting! I’m quite sure it won’t be long before heads start to roll and I can’t see Nurse being in place by the end of the year.
If anyone fancies running a sweepstake, I’ll put a pound on sometime during the summer break like July.
Regg says:
“Just look at the graph from RSpencer posted some days ago on this web site. January 2011 is the second warmest ”La Nina” January since 1979 (41 years is’nt). The warmest being the 1999, but it is disputable as other sources are showing Jan 2011 to be at +0.83 (not -0.009). If it’s the case, then 2011 would really be the warmest January La Nina.”
Measured in tenths of a degree over four decades using jerry-rigged systems of measurement managed by pro-AGW zealots! Preposterous! Unbelievable! Shameful!