Dr. Richard North of the EU Referendum has few words for George Monbiot regarding his recent claim that cold snowy winters are the result of “global warming”.
North writes:
It is not that he does not have a case (even if it is not very good). What makes him so deservedly look the fool it that he, alongside the climate establishment, has spent the last decade or more trying to convince us that milder winters are a sure sign of global warming. Now, in the manner of Winston Smith, Moonbat seems to believe that he can rewrite history and we will not notice.
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Glad to hear that moonbat was happy for another cold winter in 2009/10 for old times sake, even though he knows it would bring out the “nincompoops whining about the next ice age.” I wonder if he’s happy now?
Monbiot said “The cold has reason in a deathly grip”, but it is he and his cadre of caterwauling catastrophists who have, until now anyway been throttling rationality. Now that they are losing that deathly grasp on humanity they are at turns wailing about it, and how “science is being attacked”, and lashing out. We are witnessing the death throes of a vile, vicious ideology.
December 22, 2010 at 2: 57 am … lapogus …. That is Brealbane, Scotland, not PEI, Canada nor Breadalbane NSW, Australia…then the lochs could have been billabongs…
“Sense Seeker says:
December 21, 2010 at 9:56 pm
I stopped reading before even finishing the first sentence: “The foolish Moonbat, along with his colleagues is plumbing new depths of stupidity, insisting in the loathsome Guardian that …”
Well researched and well written, you say? A pathetic and vitriolic rant, more like. If this is the standard for discussions at this blog, good luck with that.”
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I urge you to hold your nose and continue reading. North does indeed give a time line of numerous pronouncements about milder winters. Even the rather cold 2008/09 had moonbat wiping away the tears because it may ‘well be the last.’ You can argue against style, but you can’t argue the facts away.
While I have come to detest George Monbiot’s writings on climate for its wild grasping for anything that will support his confessed uber-Socialist agenda, the denigration, the unacceptable language, the mad demand for ‘peer reviewed referrnces’ and the mantra of ‘overwhelming consensus’ his sycophants use on the Guardian’s blogs are frequently far worse.
My initial dislike for George goes back to watching him ‘interview’ Dr Plimer, the Australian geologist, with the aid of an irrational and very biased Austrlaian TV Sleb, who ganged up with George; Monbiot and the Sleb reduced the interviw to an utter travesty.
To be fair to the Guardian and the mods employed there, they will act swiftly and excise the truly offensive if one bothers to complain; the sports blogs on the same paper seem to inhabit a different and more rational world.
Weather, weather, weather–It’s all about the weather.
It’s supposed to get hot on this earth so they demand we cut CO2!
It’s supposed to get cold on this earth so they demand we cut CO2! (Apparently that’s the “logic”).
They complain about “Global Climate Disruption” and point to unusual weather events to prove their thesis, but as Van Jones has said, the Left is pretending a need for regulations in the green movement. It’s all one huge, global scam!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/green-make-believe-van-jones-admits-left-is-pretending-need-for-regulations-and-cap-trade-in-green-movement/
So Monbiot is serving as an unthinking useful tool; there’s no doubt about it! Wait until he finally recognizes this–if you think he’s livid now, at that point he’ll be a self-destructing 10-10 commercial.
Spotted this on sfgate, could explain the high level of science in some UK science
journals (not meaning to criticize the student involved). Wonder if this was
peer reviewed? (Hope the link comes out OK…).
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/12/22/international/i044725S58.DTL&tsp=1
How much more proof do we actually need?
If this doesn’t prove that we can’t predict the weather or climate, nothing does…….
Even if there were some set of mechanisms that would plead for his case, how on earth would he (Moonbat) possibly know? How can people be so convinced of the unknowable? What are these vague claims? Global warming as compared to when? Colder winters where? as compared to when and where? The current cold in Germany, the warm weather in Volgograd? Pointless and meaningless claims in general terms should simply be ignored.
latitude says:
December 22, 2010 at 6:34 am
How much more proof do we actually need?
If this doesn’t prove that we can’t predict the weather or climate, nothing does…….
Don’t be so pessimistic, read carefully WUWT, and you’ll find the new science here. There is still hope in the world…..however way far apart from “models” 🙂
It’s examples such as this that have made me long argue that CAGW has NEVER risen to the level of theory. Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, seems to falsify CAGW.
Warming? Mild winters? — CAGW
Cooling? Record cold winters? — CAGW
As such, at best, CAGW rises to the level of hypothesis. At best. I would argue it has never left the realm of conjecture.
Sense Seeker says:
December 21, 2010 at 9:56 pm
‘I stopped reading before even finishing the first sentence: “The foolish Moonbat, along with his colleagues is plumbing new depths of stupidity, insisting in the loathsome Guardian that …”’
Oh, so this is why Sense Seeker’s responses read like Non Sequiturs.
Shame about Monbiot. If he’d checked the science with sceptics, and welcomed debate, instead of ranting and attacking he’d have been a Green with style, a fellow contributor here, and a real help to global issues – like Peter Taylor, another Green campaigner but also author of “Chill” and one of the best sceptics’ introductions to AGW that I’ve seen – not least because it is still gentle and “green”. Visuals could have been better but otherwise five star.
It’s difficult to teach an old Moonbat new tricks.
Monbiot and all the AGW people are truly impervious to common sense. They cannot for one moment see the common sense implications of their own statements.
If AGW/AGCD/whatever causes extreme cold events then our preparations must include measures ensuring our own adaptation to extreme cold events. That adaptation most likely will require greater use of fuels that produce CO2 in the short run, a matter of decades until most electricity can be generated from nuclear power plants.
I’m hoping for a warm spell soon. If for nothing else, we can hear a pause and stutter about warming causing the cold but only in the months of Nov and Dec. In Jan. it probably gets reset back to warming causing warming. Just like they’ve said all along.
Dr North said
y look the fool it that he, alongside the climate establishment, has spent the last decade or more trying to convince us that milder winters are a sure sign of global warming.
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No they have not. If you think otherwise prove it.
My recollection is that we are being convinced that there will a gradual up trend in average temps (0.7C per century is not noticeable to people) and more variable conditions.
Colin from Mission B.C. says:
December 22, 2010 at 7:28 am
“As such, at best, CAGW rises to the level of hypothesis. At best. I would argue it has never left the realm of conjecture.”
You are correct. Climate scientists have some really good hunches about what is happening to Earth’s climate, but not one of those hunches has managed to become a hypothesis. Hypotheses can be used to explain and predict observable phenomena. There is nothing in climate science that fits the bill. The science is in its infancy. In a few decades, we might learn a lot about Earth’s climate. The great sin of climate scientists is to claim that their hunches deserve to be treated as reasonably confirmed scientific hypotheses.
(Of course, the hypotheses that explain the behavior of CO2 in the atmosphere are genuine hypotheses, but alone they do not allow us to explain and predict observable phenomena in the atmosphere.)
To all those worried about name calling. Monbiot is widely referred to as Moonbat by friend and foe alike, his supporters reverentially append “the great” before it, others just call him “the”. I think he rather likes it.
REPLY: This is true, he actually accepts the name. – Anthony
I would like to read the article, having clicked the link, but all I’m getting is the spinning wheel o’ death. Or interminable loading.
LazyTeenager,
“No they have not. If you think otherwise prove it.”
Exhibit 1:
On 14 February 2005, . . ., when Moonbat wrote in The Guardian, telling us:
” It is now mid-February, and already I have sown eleven species of vegetable. I know, though the seed packets tell me otherwise, that they will flourish. Everything in this country – daffodils, primroses, almond trees, bumblebees, nesting birds – is a month ahead of schedule. And it feels wonderful. Winter is no longer the great grey longing of my childhood. The freezes this country suffered in 1982 and 1963 are – unless the Gulf Stream stops – unlikely to recur. Our summers will be long and warm. Across most of the upper northern hemisphere, climate change, so far, has been kind to us.”
Exhibit 2.
“Come the New Year, on 9 January 2009, in the grip of the viciously cold winter, he was telling us how he had spent the last two evenings skating. For all the exhilaration, though, the experience was “shaded with sadness”. Said Monbiot: “all of us knew that this time might be our last. It is many winters since most of the lakes in England and Wales have frozen hard enough to support a skating party; with every year the chances of another one recede. The fuss this country has made about the current cold snap reminds us how rare such events have become”.
Exhibit 3:
“He [Peter Stott] continued, saying: “The famously cold winter of 1962/63 is now expected to occur about once every 1,000 years or more, compared with approximately every 100 to 200 years before 1850.”
And so it goes on. What’s amazing is that some people are now trying to deny that any of this was ever said.
@ur momisugly PhilC.
You are right, last summer was a wash out, the met office did predict a scorcher, prompting the govt, to much ridicule, to advise people to whitewash their houses to cope. however it didn’t materialise. Perhaps as a former govt employee he is not able to accept this, prefering instead to assume that because the computer said it would be hot, it was!! A sort of cognitive disonance.
Are the The Royal Society having doubts about CAGW?
“The Royal Society, a strong advocate for the anthropogenic origin of global warming, now concedes that there are significant uncertainties in the contributions of feedback processes and natural variability.” Dr John Butler, Armagh Observatory, Nov 30th 2010.
Armagh Observatory Then went on to record the Coldest December Night for 200 Years.
http://star.arm.ac.uk/preprints/2010/569.pdf
(P.S I couldn’t post this in your notes & tips page.)
lapogus says:
December 22, 2010 at 2:57 am
Ah yes – Breadalbane. I remember the cold winters there in 1979 and 1980/81.
Here, at 02:20 in Pattaya, Thailand, it’s currently around about 24C – quite chilly. We’ve had a bit of a cold snap here early in the cool season too.
December 22, 2010 at 2: 57 am … lapogus …. That is Brealbane, Scotland, not PEI, Canada nor Breadalbane NSW, Australia…then the lochs could have been billabongs…
Phew what a Scorcher !!!
No I am not talking abot the Long Hot Summer that never was last few years.
I am talking about Mombiot’s Pants on Fire !!!
Did you read Monbiots original lament, A Welsh woman (Monbiot lives in Wales)
phoned up and left a message on his telephone answer machine and complained…
“You are a liar, Mr Monbiot. You and James Hansen and all your lying colleagues. I’m going to make you pay back the money my son gave to your causes. It’s minus 18C and my pipes have frozen. You liar. Is this your global warming?”
Laughed? I thought my underwear would never dry !!!
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