Dr. Richard North of the EU Referendum has few words for George Monbiot regarding his recent claim that cold snowy winters are the result of “global warming”.
North writes:
It is not that he does not have a case (even if it is not very good). What makes him so deservedly look the fool it that he, alongside the climate establishment, has spent the last decade or more trying to convince us that milder winters are a sure sign of global warming. Now, in the manner of Winston Smith, Moonbat seems to believe that he can rewrite history and we will not notice.
Reader, please give Dr. North a traffic surge, as his article is a well researched and well written skewering.
Click: Total eclipse of the Moonbat
This is the same moonbat who in 1999 wrote:
“Global warming means that flying across the Atlantic is now as unacceptable as child abuse.”
He has a book tour coming up in the States. Will he swim to get here?
This is the same moonbat who in 1999 wrote:
“Global warming means that flying across the Atlantic is now as unacceptable as child abuse.”
He has a book tour coming up in the States. No word yet on whether he’ll be swimming or rowing to get here.
Oi!
Moonbat’s credibility is gurgling down the plughole while WUWT is dragging his reputation through the Australian snows.
Keep that idiot out of our December snow!!
Moonbat’s cult church the UK MET OFFICE IS ALSO IN DENIAL.
See Response to Boris in Telegraph. This winter is The Stalingrad in the Climate War says Piers http://bit.ly/hQx4pp
It is a naughty vice to delight in the suffering of others but I often nip off and make a nice mug of tea specially to drink while I read yet another article like this one skewering the hysterical warmist loons.
I think I will put the kettle on again and re-read Delingpole…
🙂
It is the total eclipse of reason!
Total Ecplise of the Moonbat
Small typo there : Ecplise
I’m tired of these idiots. This is like arguing with children. Worse, really. At least children learn from mistakes.
Actually Dr North and fellow bloggers have come up with some great quotes recently.
My fave so far:
“Bungle Jonnies”
(describing our political classes)
I will spare you the nuances of this one. Needless to say The Moon Bat was involved along the line.
Here’s my forecast for the rest of the Holocene –
From 1850, gently rising temperatures overall, with 30 year segments of warm alternating with 30 year segments of cool, punctuated with brief spats of non-conforming temps. This pattern to continue until the next Little/Big Ice Age, at which time Mexico will be complaining about the illegal American immigrants.
We can see the panic setting in within the Climate Cult Establishment. When you lose the argument with the people, you will lose the argument with the government, and when that happens, suddenly all of their Climate Ca$h will dry up. So they’re sending Monbiot out there to basically make inane explanations about how cold, snowy winters = global warming, in hopes of keeping the CAGW message from disintegrating. So far it’s not working, but it’s amusing to see him try.
So, who’s next on the Climate Cult Propaganda 2011 tour? Al “Chokra” Gore? Jim “No Coal” Hansen?
I stopped reading before even finishing the first sentence: “The foolish Moonbat, along with his colleagues is plumbing new depths of stupidity, insisting in the loathsome Guardian that …”
Well researched and well written, you say? A pathetic and vitriolic rant, more like. If this is the standard for discussions at this blog, good luck with that.
REPLY: I didn’t say you had to like it, I only asked that you visit. Thanks for visiting. So far not much of what we do here agrees with you, so don’t let the door hit your butt on the way out. – Anthony
Due to their governments’ (both major parties) insane AGW ‘mitigation’ policies, the British are suffering more than most, but there can few areas of the world that show less evidence of any human fingerprint.
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0120a7c87805970b-pi
Never in the field of human conflict against climate change was so much owed by so many to so few.
EU Referendum is an awesome and intelligent site dedicated to defending invidual freedom and exposing the lies of the left. I highly recommend it. It’s one of my favorite Internet bookmarks.
Sorry, but anyone who is claiming that AGW is causing cold is using the reasoning, “Oh [snip], we can’t predict what will happen to the weather patterns.”
Yeees I love EuReferendum. He has a way with words.
Some of us may have missed the total eclipse of the moon, but none of us miss the total eclipse of the moonbat.
a complete goose but sadly the y gen believe in this BS
I think it is not a good idea to rely on journalists for scientific advice on climate change. If they report scientific activity that can be useful. James Overland presented a paper last year that predicted colder winters for Europe and was poo-pooed by all and sundry. I bet he’s feeling smug right now.
Best post in the thread. Somehow i think nothing more needs to be said. I’ll volunteer the ketchup.
“Consequently I hereby declare that, metaphorically, the next parent, head of science, head teacher, school governor, local education authority jobsworth, central government apparatchik, or UK energy minister who tells me have to teach this climate porn to under-16s or lose my job will be kebabed on a hockey stick and fed to the polar bear packs currently massing under my window seeking warmth. “
Quote of the Week – Total Ecplise of the Moonbat
Emphasis on “Ecplise” from the headline 😉
peace
Typo alert.
In North’s quote – “What makes him so deservedly look the fool it that he…” – the “it” should be “is.”
Sense Seeker says:
December 21, 2010 at 9:56 pm
I stopped reading before even finishing the first sentence:
You can’t handle the truth.
P.S. Now I see that that typo is in the original.
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**The author, working in Chico, CA, may not be your good friend, Anthony?
A wise man once said” Never try to teach a moonbatpig to sing. It only frustrates you and irritates the moonbatpig.”
Sense Seeker
Like I’ve been telling you at Steven Goddard’s website, you need to get your own blog. Then you don’t have to keep trying to make everyone talk like you want them to talk so that you can see what you’d like to see. Believe it or not, there’s people who don’t agree with you, not because they are stupid, or blind, but because they’ve looked into the situation for themselves and seen it’s errors.
Again, it’s not because they are stupid. I’ll leave it written like that—though you might not agree with it.
REPLY: Yes, I second that, get your own blog where you can blog away and argue with yourself in toto – Anthony
“This pattern to continue until the next Little/Big Ice Age, at which time Mexico will be complaining about the illegal American immigrants.”
I think you mean “Canadian”.
Here is some of the evidence:
June 4, 1999
“Warm Winters Result From Greenhouse Effect, Columbia Scientists Find, Using NASA Model” [Gavin Schmidt et. al.]
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990604081638.htm
Nov. 17, 2010
“Global Warming Could Cool Down Northern Temperatures in Winter”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101117114028.htm
Below is another prediction via the Independent – again.
Excellent article by Dr. North! Skewered the Moonbat.
Is it 1984? George Smith Moonbat?
A few years later he also said that most aircraft should be grounded. This was followed by a book signing tour in Canada. Now he is preparing for another tour this time in the States. The hypocrisy of these people knows no bounds. Gore, Prince Charles, Hollywood celebs, the list is endless.
http://jerseynut.blogspot.com/2009/11/celebrity-climate-change-hypocrites.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-478845/Whats-green-flies-An-eco-hypocrite-wont-stay-grounded-say-researchers.html
By the way in the Guardian piece by Monbiot there are now over 1,300 comments and rising! He obviously rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. The sceptics are basically poking fun at his 2 positions, previous statements from himself and AGWers, pointing him to Anthony’s destruction of his article etc.
Moonbat – make it up as you go along!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/20/uk-snow-global-warming
Destruction!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/20/australias-white-summer-monbiots-red-fury/
Is there a word for when it is far more interesting to read what’s been written about someone than what the person themselves has written?
A meta-monbio-narrative?
I would go much further than North’s statement “It is not that he does not have a case (even if it is not very good).” Monbiot’s case (that the lack of Arctic Ice results in cold winters for north-west Europe) does not stand up to any scrutiny what-so-ever. From looking at http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent.png, there is very little variation in the sea ice area in the winter months, which presumably would (if Monbiot’s half-baked conjecture had any merit) be the months which would determine how cold the winters got in London & Paris etc. The severe cold that the northern hemisphere (except for east Greenland & western Canada e.g. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/19/greenland-blows-hot-and-cold-while-europe-freezes/) has seen in the last 3 winters, is evidently a result of the jet stream blocking and the AO going negative, and nothing to do with relatively minor changes to sea-ice coverage. If there was a relationship, then it would be reasonable to expect that the sea ice levels were much higher than normal during the late 1990s and early 2000s, when we did have a run of milder than average winters in north-west Europe. (And if he is suggesting that it is lack of summer ice, why was winter 2007-08 so mild?) Also there is good historical evidence that the NAO/AO reversal and jet stream blocking has occurred regularly in the past, long before industrialisation and anthropogenic CO2 emissions became significant:
“In Greenland, all winters are severe, yet they are not alike.
The Danes have noticed that when the winter in Denmark was severe, as we perceive it, the winter in Greenland in its manner was mild, and conversely”. This statement (translated from Danish) was noted in the diary of Hans Egede Saabye, who was the Danish missionary in Greenland in the 1770s. [/i] [ Source: http://iopscience.iop.org/1755-1315/8/1/012012/pdf/ees9_8_012012.pdf ]
Monbiot and his merry band of deluded CO2 doomsayers are clutching at straws with this latest warm=cold meme, and I doubt that even the predominantly gullible journalists in the MSM will fall for it.
Did you see the 10:10 video? Tell Monbiot to stop using the word ‘denier’. Do you remember – We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. And we be many, but you be few.”?
“Monbiot’s royal flush: Top 10 climate change deniers”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/mar/06/climate-change-deniers-top-10
The truth hurts!
I looked at the IPCC Apolyctic Revelation 4 to see if I could find the references to the severe winters we could expect with global warming. This is what I found:
Fewer cold outbreaks; fewer, shorter, less intense cold spells / cold extremes in winter
VL (consistent across model projections)
Northern Europe, South Asia, East Asia17
17 §11.3.3.2, PRUDENCE, Kjellström et al. (2007), §11.4.3.2, Gao et al. (2002), Rupa Kumar et al. (2006)
No equivocation, no doubts, winters were going to be warmer, and severe cold weather events shorter and rarer in Northern Europe. No mention of the severely cold weather that would result from global warming.
George Monbiot isn’t a scientist, he’s an environmentalist, who like all environmentalists, believes that humans are basically unwelcome on the planet. He has pushed the global warming meme for years now without a hint of the extreme cold weather we could expect from it, but his, and the other environmenatlists’ desperation at Mother Nature’s punishment of them for their hubris has pushed them into a desperate “black is white” meme.
George had better get his skates on. Not long to go now before complete denouement.
Sense seeker, you should keep searching for that sense because to admit to not reading an article and then claim it is a “pathetic and vitriolic rant” is not very sensible. How could you possibly know from the first sentence what the rest of the article was like? You made a prejudiced assumption and then showed everyone else how prejudiced and short-sighted you are by posting your senseless vitriol here for everyone to witness.
If you had bothered to take off your tribalist glasses and open your mind, you would have read an article that cleverly records numerous examples over the last decade where climate alarmists have confidently stated that global warming will mean warmer, wetter or drier winters, and that we would almost never see cold frozen winters at all. In fact they have been stating more and more recently as the Arctic ice receded over this past decade’s winters, that global warming may not make our summers much warmer, but winters would be a LOT warmer. This is why records for heat are being beaten by a degree or two in warm places, but up to 15 degrees in cold places. This appears to support those claims. (Ignoring the problems with the extreme UHI in arctic regions with thermometers located at airports which are 10 degrees warmer than the surrounding countryside, of course)
This article seeks to show how climate alarmists are trying to argue both sides of the argument at once, contradicting themselves in such a blatant way as to now make them appear ludicrous.
Lew Skannen:
December 21, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Ha ha, great minds think alike. Just enjoying my nice mug o’ tea.
Sense Seeker says:
December 21, 2010 at 9:56 pm
I stopped reading before even finishing the first sentence: “The foolish Moonbat, along with his colleagues is plumbing new depths of stupidity, insisting in the loathsome Guardian that …”
Gareth says
I do have some sympathies with this. While I find George Monbiot frustrating in his apparent inability to see both sides of a debate, to call his newspaper “loathsome” just indicates an underlying prejudice every bit as bad. I also have a lot of doubt about how biased newspapers,such as the Daily Mail, Guardian and Telegraph can can ever contribute to the debate with their stories written to appeal to their readers, though it is great fun to see them fall flat on their faces. I’ve seen George Monbiot speak, sometime I disagree with him, sometimes not,( especially on climate issues!) but in each case he is a very good speaker. I don’t always agree with the postings on this site, but I find them thought provoking and worth reading. If anyone described our site and postings as “loathsome” it would tell me much more about that person than anything they had to say regarding the climate debate and I would spring to our defence. Hopefully we in turn don’t need to use such language to support our argument which is based on evidence, not bias and loud voices and insulting terminology.
Christopher Hanley says:
December 21, 2010 at 9:56 pm: “Never in the field of human conflict against climate change was so much owed by so many to so few.”
Allow me to “peer review” that: Never (…) was so much funding owed by so few to so many.
Jimbo says:
“Monbiot’s royal flush: Top 10 climate change deniers”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/mar/06/climate-change-deniers-top-10
Gareth says:
True Jimbo, this is appalling journalism, however what is reassuring is the quality of some of the responses, hopefully George read some of them. The Guardian does not usually allow debate on the climate preferring to focus on the promotion of AGW so seeing alternate viewpoints is at least a step in the right direction.
Most western countries suffer the presence of people such as this moonbat man.
They share one thing in common apart from wrongness and stupidity and that is they have no shame.
In days of yore, people such as this were placed in stocks in the village square. No toilet breaks and villagers hurling abuse and over ripe fruit and veg, tends to give one a fast education into the meaning of shame.
Perhaps Boris of London could be persuaded to set up stocks in a prominent place with a large screen board suggesting whom should occupy the stocks. This would be a modern equivalent of shaming .
I wondered, here we have Dr Richard North and Piers Corbyn, a couple of old guys with laptops making a better fist of understanding things than all the vaunted overpaid stars of the MSM and the government sponsored bureaucracies on which they feed. Add to that list other notables in the bogosphere (Anthony et al) and well, there might still be hope for mankind when the time comes to rebuild a world ruined by idiots.
“Sense Seeker says:
December 21, 2010 at 9:56 pm
I stopped reading before even finishing the first sentence: “The foolish Moonbat, along with his colleagues is plumbing new depths of stupidity, insisting in the loathsome Guardian that …”
Well researched and well written, you say? A pathetic and vitriolic rant, more like. If this is the standard for discussions at this blog, good luck with that.”
At least your comment was published. We wouldn’t get a similar chance on most warmist blogs.
Desperate people revert to desperate means.
http://www.pik-potsdam.de/news/press-releases/global-warming-could-cool-down-temperatures-in-winter
It was very cold….
The AGW scare is still on here in Norway. Its just like back in 1991 when the Berlin Wall fell. All the socialists run for cover. Then over the years they came back into the light again. Slowly, one by one.
Now they are at it like never before. DDR is forgotten.
Climategate made some of them silent. For a while. The only thing that can keep them in check is colder winthers.So lets hope for more of it. Only, it is MINUS 20 Degrees Celsius outside here now.
Brrrr. There is either thousands of AGW loonies, or big freeze. What a situation.
Gareth Phillips says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:10 am
If the Grauniad was a person he would be loathsome and that would be a fair desciption. It isn’t just Moonbat that has been vitriolic in his writing but most of their other reporters as well. The Grauniad has been failing for a very long time and has been struggling to maintain it’s circulation figures. So loathsome may not be pleasant but it is accurate.
senseseeker like R gates are so embroiled in and devoted to their religion that, as it begins to fail, they feel like they are loosing their raison-être. They do not have the ability to be open minded and read only the messages they want to see. They are like the children with their fingers in their ears making the “la la la” sounds to avoid having to listen to their parents. Sensible comment is beyond their abilities.
Sense Seeker and George Monbiot,
Would like to describe the mechansim how AGW causes cold winters?
I not holding my breath.
If you both decide to use science, the cold winters and hot summers have been caused by the change in the jet stream. The so called consensus was that global warming had caused the jet stream to move north causing warmer summers and winters. Over recent years the jet stream has moved further south and become less flat, with a increasingly quieting sun and increased albedo. (clouds-reducing SWR to the surface)
This recent change has nothing to do with the gas CO2 because it can’t cause both different phases. This also increases evidence that the jet moving north during previous global warming period also had nothing to do with CO2 either. (ie it was driven by something else)
Finally, increasing the energy content doesn’t make it colder only warmer, changing weather patterns with the jet stream can make it locally warmer or colder. When this starts occuring on a regular basis this becomes climate. What we are witnessing here is the start of a global cool down with recent years only hiding this because there has been more El Ninos then La Ninas. The tiny underlying effect from CO2 will have little influence and will be over driven by natural climate change. (observed by the very planet itself)
stephen richards says:
December 22, 2010 at 2:15 am
Gareth Phillips says:
December 22, 2010 at 1:10 am
If the Grauniad was a person he would be loathsome and that would be a fair desciption. It isn’t just Moonbat that has been vitriolic in his writing but most of their other reporters as well. The Grauniad has been failing for a very long time and has been struggling to maintain it’s circulation figures. So loathsome may not be pleasant but it is accurate.
senseseeker like R gates are so embroiled in and devoted to their religion that, as it begins to fail, they feel like they are loosing their raison-être. They do not have the ability to be open minded and read only the messages they want to see. They are like the children with their fingers in their ears making the “la la la” sounds to avoid having to listen to their parents. Sensible comment is beyond their abilities.
Thanks Stephen.
Do you think this type of behaviour only affects warmists and left wing newspapers? I must confess I have seen both sides behave in similar fashion from time to time.
“The Moonbat”! Kudos to whoever came up with that one. He’s just got to hate being called that.
Jimmy – the sun’s been up for 2 hours now but it is still -15C. Car wouldn’t start this morning despite new battery so had to take my son to Breadalbane on the bike – he was weeping after 1/4 a mile with the pain of the windchill on his face. The burns and wee lochs are all frozen solid and the big lochs will be soon if this continues. I take it things are warmer where you are.
This was a great piece by Richard North. However, I’d like to make a suggestion to WUWT and other sceptical bloggers: You should call Monbiot with his real name and not stoop to the level of using derogatory nicknames. Those nicknames don’t add anything to the story, but make it just unprofessional. And an unprofessional story is respected less by new or unfamiliar readers.
In the last few days BBC Radio 4 asked the former government scientific advisor (Dr King) and a climate scientist (Dr Palmer) from Oxford University for their interpretation of the current severe weather in the British Isles and Europe and why this event had not been foreseen by the MetOffice using their much vaunted supercomputer.. Neither came across with a plausible explanation – the former waffling on about the NAO (which he did not appear to understand). Both, however, did indicate that there was much still to be learned about climate and the need for climate scientists to have access to yet more powerful computers on which to run the ‘more sophisticated’ climate models now becoming available. Dr Palmer even thought that they should have access to security/defence systems computers. Dr Palmer was held up in San francisco airport at the time, his flight back to London being delayed my the snow chaos at Heathrow!
Moonbat is wrong. His case has collapsed. Will he have the decency to admit it? Just how much evidence do these warmist apocalypse merchants need to recant?
The next time that sea ice returns to the British coast I propose a new SI unit, the micromoonbat, being a square metre of frozen sea. Should it ever reach the threshhold of one moonbat, this would signal the formal end of the Great Global Warming Hoax. Dr. Pachauri’s successor would pronounce, at the final meeting of the IPCC, “I declare these proceedings ended,” and bang his gavel.
That was an excellent artlcle by Dr. North. I loved the phrase “Hubris, though, is invariably followed by nemesis”. Isn’t that the truth?!
Not to be outdone, the jokers at the Irish Met Office have performed a Comical Ali trick on their website. Ireland is experiencing the coldest December ever recorded, yet the weather clowns see fit to console the tax-payers with this message on their home-page:
02 December 2010
2010 in the top three warmest years, 2001-2010 warmest 10-year period.
The year 2010 is almost certain to rank in the top 3 warmest years since the beginning of instrumental climate records in 1850, according to data sources compiled by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). The global combined sea surface and land surface air temperature for 2010 (January–October) is currently estimated at 0.55°C ± 0.11°C (0.99°F ± 0.20°F) above the 1961–1990 annual average of 14.00°C/57.2°F.
Zen question 1:
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
Answer:
?
Zen question 2:
What is the sound of one buttock talking?
Answer:
Ah! Monoboti
Vieras 3:00 am:
I would agree with you normally, but apparently George Monbiot is not totally devoid of humour and doesn’t mind his nickname. Best wishes, Dave.
David L : December 22, 2010 at 3:08 am
And finally catharsis we can only hope.
Nature is not complying, the plebs are not getting the true faith message, must be time for another Two Minute Hate about Big Oil and such to get everyone riled up, only with Steve McIntyre starring instead of Goldstein.
Moonbatia has always said AGW would produce warmer winters. Moonbatia has always said AGW would produce milder winters.
Monbiot would get a lot more credibility if he used some other evidence than Hansen’s distorted GISS arctic temperature hashed up mess. Go up there and tell the Inuit freezing his petunias off in rural Alaska that temp is way above normal, why, you don’t believe me? Look at the red on the map!
That is the explanation which appears in all the media, here in South America, in all news articles about Europe´s current winter. It seems news agencies promote this “belief”.
“While I find George Monbiot frustrating in his apparent inability to see both sides of a debate, to call his newspaper “loathsome” just indicates an underlying prejudice every bit as bad. ”
Oh yes. The Guardian deserves this appellation every bit. I now have personal experience, twice in a span of about six months, with their tactics, having heard similar stories continuously over the entire period.
The Guardian shields its ‘opinion leaders’ – folks like Monbiot and Damian Carrington – from solicited criticism and opinion, by butchering comments, and then puts on a faux puritanical act to justify its censorship.
The reason for comment deletion at the Guardian is not the reasons they state they will delete comments for. After deletion however, they sell their reasons to you and their columnists as the real ones. It is a forked tongue regime.
Loathsome is going easy on such behaviour.
2007 was not remotely the second warmest winter unless you suddenly decide to use a national record going back only to 1914 instead of the usual CET back to 1660.
Tonyb
Apparently the link has collapsed…..because of the too many hits by WUWT regulars.
Vieras said
“This was a great piece by Richard North. However, I’d like to make a suggestion to WUWT and other sceptical bloggers: You should call Monbiot with his real name and not stoop to the level of using derogatory nicknames.”
I agree totally, we should not stoop to their juvenile levels.
Tonyb
Just nuts: “Warm Winters Result From Greenhouse Effect, Columbia Scientists Find, Using NASA Model”.
I agree with Gareth and vieras, name calling/nicknames is a distraction to the well deserved skewering of Monbiot. As vieras said, it is unprofessional. I prefer to leave the name calling to the Warmers, they revel in it, or rather, wallow.
‘the need for climate scientists to have access to yet more powerful computers on which to run the ‘more sophisticated’ climate models now becoming available.’
Ahh I see the logic now, if you run enough supersuper computers the heat generated will see the end to these pesky cold winters, back to Global Warming Simples !!!!
Methinks this would be a good time for Josh to produce a classy cartoon based on the legend of the hydra. When a head was hewn off two more grew in its place. Similarly wvery time a climate head is cut another one or two grows-this time that global cooling will produce warmer winters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lernaean_Hydra
Come on Josh, this is your chance of even wider fame
Tonyb
Wise thought: Said Monbiot: “all of us knew that this time might be our (my?) last”.
Peterxema says: December 22, 2010 at 3:05 am
Here’s David King’s BBC interview yesterday morning
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9308000/9308121.stm
King was a Blair appointee.
He said the current government should have prepared for a cold winter because we had a hot summer! (I don’t remember summer 2010 being hot – I remember it raining a lot). He also asked for money for supercomputers – effectively a reward for failure.
I visit North’s blog regularly, and he always has interesting things to say. I sometimes have a problem, however, with his choice of perforatives… “jungle bunny” comes to mind. Where I grew up that was a nasty racial slur. “Kermits”, in reference to the French, is another one, albeit milder and in my view funny (and my family tree is nearly purely french, although there’s an odd Scotsman or two in there somewhere).
However if you overlook the vitriol, you can find very intelligent and well documented arguments. But his critics tend to focus on his questionable name calling and thus ignore some insightful commentary.
So the met office have given up with long range forecasts but their 2 day forecasts are still excellent?
Well, that depends on how one defines excellent. I monitor the weather forecast reguarly at these times. Yesterday both the met office and the BBC 24 hour forecast was giving Wednesday as dry and sunny all day. But xcweather (an independent forecast for paraglider pilots) gave snow. A contest! I kept checking in the forecasts every couple of hours. Then, at around 8:00pm on Tuesday, the BBC updated their forecast to show snow. As I sit here it is indeed snowing, but 2 day accuracy? Not even close!
Glad to hear that moonbat was happy for another cold winter in 2009/10 for old times sake, even though he knows it would bring out the “nincompoops whining about the next ice age.” I wonder if he’s happy now?
Monbiot said “The cold has reason in a deathly grip”, but it is he and his cadre of caterwauling catastrophists who have, until now anyway been throttling rationality. Now that they are losing that deathly grasp on humanity they are at turns wailing about it, and how “science is being attacked”, and lashing out. We are witnessing the death throes of a vile, vicious ideology.
December 22, 2010 at 2: 57 am … lapogus …. That is Brealbane, Scotland, not PEI, Canada nor Breadalbane NSW, Australia…then the lochs could have been billabongs…
“Sense Seeker says:
December 21, 2010 at 9:56 pm
I stopped reading before even finishing the first sentence: “The foolish Moonbat, along with his colleagues is plumbing new depths of stupidity, insisting in the loathsome Guardian that …”
Well researched and well written, you say? A pathetic and vitriolic rant, more like. If this is the standard for discussions at this blog, good luck with that.”
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I urge you to hold your nose and continue reading. North does indeed give a time line of numerous pronouncements about milder winters. Even the rather cold 2008/09 had moonbat wiping away the tears because it may ‘well be the last.’ You can argue against style, but you can’t argue the facts away.
While I have come to detest George Monbiot’s writings on climate for its wild grasping for anything that will support his confessed uber-Socialist agenda, the denigration, the unacceptable language, the mad demand for ‘peer reviewed referrnces’ and the mantra of ‘overwhelming consensus’ his sycophants use on the Guardian’s blogs are frequently far worse.
My initial dislike for George goes back to watching him ‘interview’ Dr Plimer, the Australian geologist, with the aid of an irrational and very biased Austrlaian TV Sleb, who ganged up with George; Monbiot and the Sleb reduced the interviw to an utter travesty.
To be fair to the Guardian and the mods employed there, they will act swiftly and excise the truly offensive if one bothers to complain; the sports blogs on the same paper seem to inhabit a different and more rational world.
Weather, weather, weather–It’s all about the weather.
It’s supposed to get hot on this earth so they demand we cut CO2!
It’s supposed to get cold on this earth so they demand we cut CO2! (Apparently that’s the “logic”).
They complain about “Global Climate Disruption” and point to unusual weather events to prove their thesis, but as Van Jones has said, the Left is pretending a need for regulations in the green movement. It’s all one huge, global scam!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/green-make-believe-van-jones-admits-left-is-pretending-need-for-regulations-and-cap-trade-in-green-movement/
So Monbiot is serving as an unthinking useful tool; there’s no doubt about it! Wait until he finally recognizes this–if you think he’s livid now, at that point he’ll be a self-destructing 10-10 commercial.
Spotted this on sfgate, could explain the high level of science in some UK science
journals (not meaning to criticize the student involved). Wonder if this was
peer reviewed? (Hope the link comes out OK…).
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/12/22/international/i044725S58.DTL&tsp=1
How much more proof do we actually need?
If this doesn’t prove that we can’t predict the weather or climate, nothing does…….
Even if there were some set of mechanisms that would plead for his case, how on earth would he (Moonbat) possibly know? How can people be so convinced of the unknowable? What are these vague claims? Global warming as compared to when? Colder winters where? as compared to when and where? The current cold in Germany, the warm weather in Volgograd? Pointless and meaningless claims in general terms should simply be ignored.
latitude says:
December 22, 2010 at 6:34 am
How much more proof do we actually need?
If this doesn’t prove that we can’t predict the weather or climate, nothing does…….
Don’t be so pessimistic, read carefully WUWT, and you’ll find the new science here. There is still hope in the world…..however way far apart from “models” 🙂
It’s examples such as this that have made me long argue that CAGW has NEVER risen to the level of theory. Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, seems to falsify CAGW.
Warming? Mild winters? — CAGW
Cooling? Record cold winters? — CAGW
As such, at best, CAGW rises to the level of hypothesis. At best. I would argue it has never left the realm of conjecture.
Sense Seeker says:
December 21, 2010 at 9:56 pm
‘I stopped reading before even finishing the first sentence: “The foolish Moonbat, along with his colleagues is plumbing new depths of stupidity, insisting in the loathsome Guardian that …”’
Oh, so this is why Sense Seeker’s responses read like Non Sequiturs.
Shame about Monbiot. If he’d checked the science with sceptics, and welcomed debate, instead of ranting and attacking he’d have been a Green with style, a fellow contributor here, and a real help to global issues – like Peter Taylor, another Green campaigner but also author of “Chill” and one of the best sceptics’ introductions to AGW that I’ve seen – not least because it is still gentle and “green”. Visuals could have been better but otherwise five star.
It’s difficult to teach an old Moonbat new tricks.
Monbiot and all the AGW people are truly impervious to common sense. They cannot for one moment see the common sense implications of their own statements.
If AGW/AGCD/whatever causes extreme cold events then our preparations must include measures ensuring our own adaptation to extreme cold events. That adaptation most likely will require greater use of fuels that produce CO2 in the short run, a matter of decades until most electricity can be generated from nuclear power plants.
I’m hoping for a warm spell soon. If for nothing else, we can hear a pause and stutter about warming causing the cold but only in the months of Nov and Dec. In Jan. it probably gets reset back to warming causing warming. Just like they’ve said all along.
Dr North said
y look the fool it that he, alongside the climate establishment, has spent the last decade or more trying to convince us that milder winters are a sure sign of global warming.
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No they have not. If you think otherwise prove it.
My recollection is that we are being convinced that there will a gradual up trend in average temps (0.7C per century is not noticeable to people) and more variable conditions.
Colin from Mission B.C. says:
December 22, 2010 at 7:28 am
“As such, at best, CAGW rises to the level of hypothesis. At best. I would argue it has never left the realm of conjecture.”
You are correct. Climate scientists have some really good hunches about what is happening to Earth’s climate, but not one of those hunches has managed to become a hypothesis. Hypotheses can be used to explain and predict observable phenomena. There is nothing in climate science that fits the bill. The science is in its infancy. In a few decades, we might learn a lot about Earth’s climate. The great sin of climate scientists is to claim that their hunches deserve to be treated as reasonably confirmed scientific hypotheses.
(Of course, the hypotheses that explain the behavior of CO2 in the atmosphere are genuine hypotheses, but alone they do not allow us to explain and predict observable phenomena in the atmosphere.)
To all those worried about name calling. Monbiot is widely referred to as Moonbat by friend and foe alike, his supporters reverentially append “the great” before it, others just call him “the”. I think he rather likes it.
REPLY: This is true, he actually accepts the name. – Anthony
I would like to read the article, having clicked the link, but all I’m getting is the spinning wheel o’ death. Or interminable loading.
LazyTeenager,
“No they have not. If you think otherwise prove it.”
Exhibit 1:
On 14 February 2005, . . ., when Moonbat wrote in The Guardian, telling us:
” It is now mid-February, and already I have sown eleven species of vegetable. I know, though the seed packets tell me otherwise, that they will flourish. Everything in this country – daffodils, primroses, almond trees, bumblebees, nesting birds – is a month ahead of schedule. And it feels wonderful. Winter is no longer the great grey longing of my childhood. The freezes this country suffered in 1982 and 1963 are – unless the Gulf Stream stops – unlikely to recur. Our summers will be long and warm. Across most of the upper northern hemisphere, climate change, so far, has been kind to us.”
Exhibit 2.
“Come the New Year, on 9 January 2009, in the grip of the viciously cold winter, he was telling us how he had spent the last two evenings skating. For all the exhilaration, though, the experience was “shaded with sadness”. Said Monbiot: “all of us knew that this time might be our last. It is many winters since most of the lakes in England and Wales have frozen hard enough to support a skating party; with every year the chances of another one recede. The fuss this country has made about the current cold snap reminds us how rare such events have become”.
Exhibit 3:
“He [Peter Stott] continued, saying: “The famously cold winter of 1962/63 is now expected to occur about once every 1,000 years or more, compared with approximately every 100 to 200 years before 1850.”
And so it goes on. What’s amazing is that some people are now trying to deny that any of this was ever said.
@ PhilC.
You are right, last summer was a wash out, the met office did predict a scorcher, prompting the govt, to much ridicule, to advise people to whitewash their houses to cope. however it didn’t materialise. Perhaps as a former govt employee he is not able to accept this, prefering instead to assume that because the computer said it would be hot, it was!! A sort of cognitive disonance.
Are the The Royal Society having doubts about CAGW?
“The Royal Society, a strong advocate for the anthropogenic origin of global warming, now concedes that there are significant uncertainties in the contributions of feedback processes and natural variability.” Dr John Butler, Armagh Observatory, Nov 30th 2010.
Armagh Observatory Then went on to record the Coldest December Night for 200 Years.
http://star.arm.ac.uk/preprints/2010/569.pdf
(P.S I couldn’t post this in your notes & tips page.)
lapogus says:
December 22, 2010 at 2:57 am
Ah yes – Breadalbane. I remember the cold winters there in 1979 and 1980/81.
Here, at 02:20 in Pattaya, Thailand, it’s currently around about 24C – quite chilly. We’ve had a bit of a cold snap here early in the cool season too.
December 22, 2010 at 2: 57 am … lapogus …. That is Brealbane, Scotland, not PEI, Canada nor Breadalbane NSW, Australia…then the lochs could have been billabongs…
Phew what a Scorcher !!!
No I am not talking abot the Long Hot Summer that never was last few years.
I am talking about Mombiot’s Pants on Fire !!!
Did you read Monbiots original lament, A Welsh woman (Monbiot lives in Wales)
phoned up and left a message on his telephone answer machine and complained…
“You are a liar, Mr Monbiot. You and James Hansen and all your lying colleagues. I’m going to make you pay back the money my son gave to your causes. It’s minus 18C and my pipes have frozen. You liar. Is this your global warming?”
Laughed? I thought my underwear would never dry !!!
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Why does anybody expect a Climate Scientist to forecast what the weather will be.
Climate Scientists state that they model climate not weather.
So they are always correct as nobody experiences climate, we just experience weather.
Monbiot seems the Soviet resident in The Guardian, something and its contrary is possible like in old Union.
I have to admire Mr. Monbiot for his breathtaking ability to maintain an air of utter certainty even when he’s contradicted himself completely (and carrying it off with a signature superciliousness).
These guys have panache even if they’re empty shells.
I believe the satirical online publication The Daily Mash have a T-shirt reading; “The Guardian. Wrong about everything. All the time.”
Calling Bagdad Bob of CAWG. Or is he Monty Pythons “Come back and fight you coward”? The joke is the words of the guillible will never go away, unless they can control the internet.
Telling us how little impact global averages have on local weather.
sense seeker == attention seeker == juvenile troll
Heh. I’m guessing Swedish has a term for temperatures of the rare variety?
Or maybe he was thinking of brief temper-airy-atures? 😉
As the (Cdn.) MacKenzie Brothers comedy duo liked to say, “Zoom in on me!” (Also, “Leave me some beers, hoser!”)
;p
oakbio;
get a life. It was “Bungle Jonnie”. That you didn’t get the Spooneristic humour is sad. Attributing the slur to him instead of yourself is much worse.
Uops. “Oakgeo” not “oakbio”. Neither make sense, IAC.
Oh, come, all ye faithful, joyful and triumphant, Oh, come ye, oh, come ye, to Moonbatlemayhem.
My humble apologies for altering this song of the season – Merry Christmas everyone!
Brian H says:
December 23, 2010 at 3:19 am
Actually oakgeo was correct. Dr. North did use the term Jungle bunnie in one of his posts.
Moonbat of course picked up on it as a racial slur as did oakgeo. However, here is where Peter North skewered, (or was that disembowelled), Monbiot…
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/12/family-affair.html
It was in the Grauniad comments originally but did not survive long.
DaveE.
What must be understood by all is that these people are not actually wrong.
When someone says something that is wrong, knowing full well that it is wrong, then that isn’t same thing as being wrong. Rather it is what we call LYING.
The mistake we are making is in pretending that the left is actually acting in good faith. Giving credence to their arguments by trying to refute them is a waste of time really. While we are working hard to demolish one edifice of sophistry and lies, they are working hard to create the next one.
It is only when we STOP pretending that they are honest and start treating them like the vicious criminals that they are that this whole sordid business will end.
AGW is merely the latest in a long string of lies that the left has used to convince free people to sell themselves into slavery. Before the left start using lies about ecology they used lies about sociology, and before that economics, and those are just the most prominent and obvious ones. In truth these earlier lies are still very much in play, especially within segments of society that the left controls.
So what are we to do about this? Consider the source and go after the people responsible for this instead of being tricked into working to refute the endless series of lies they produce.
If the left says something it is either a) Untrue, or b) a small truth intended to help sell a much larger lie. Some people tell lies, leftists ARE lies.