Oh dear, some of these folks aren’t the brightest CFL’s in the room.
Readers may remember this famous Penn and Teller video from 2006 where they get well meaning (but non thinking) people to sign up to ban “dihydrogen monoxide” (DHMO), which is an “evil” chemical found in our lakes, rivers, oceans, and even our food!
Yeah, they signed up to ban water. Now watch the video from the Cancun climate conference, you’d think some of these folks would have enough science background (from their work in complex climate issues) to realize what they are signing, but sadly, no.
Some people will sign anything that includes phrases like, ”global effort,” “international community,” and “planetary.” Such was the case at COP 16, this year’s United Nations Conference on Climate Change in Cancun, Mexico.
This year, CFACT students created two mock-petitions to test U.N. Delegates. The first asked participants to help destabilize the United States economy, the second to ban water.
The first project, entitled “Petition to Set a Global Standard” sought to isolate and punish the United States of America for defying the international community, by refusing to bite, hook, line and sinker on the bait that is the Kyoto Protocol. The petition went so far as to encourage the United Nations to impose tariffs and trade restrictions on the U.S. in a scheme to destabilize the nation’s economy. Specifically, the scheme seeks to lower the U.S. GDP by 6% over a ten year period, unless the U.S. signs a U.N. treaty on global warming.
This would be an extremely radical move by the United Nations. Even so, radical left-wing environmentalists from around the world scrambled eagerly to sign.
The second project was as successful as the first. It was euphemistically entitled “Petition to Ban the Use of Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO)” (translation water). It was designed to show that if official U.N. delegates could be duped by college students into banning water, that they could essentially fall for anything, including pseudo-scientific studies which claim to show that global warming is man-caused.
Despite the apparently not-so-obvious reference to H2O, almost every delegate that collegian students approached signed their petition to ban that all too dangerous substance, which contributes to the greenhouse effect, is the major substance in acid rain, and is fatal if inhaled.
Perhaps together, the footage associated with these two projects will illustrate to mainstream America the radical lengths many current U.N. delegates are willing to go to carry out an agenda no more ethical, plausible or practical than the banning water.
Did any of the people approached to sign the petition ask whether this was a joke when di-hydrogen monoxide was mentioned? If so, what percentage of those approached signed the petition and what percentage recognized the joke? In other words, other than the 8-10 people pictured in the video, did all the others recognize the ruse or did this video reflect a representative sample of those approached?
Jim
December 9, 2010 12:59 pm
They should have tried this with some kind of real chemical, oh, say, unobtanium….
Jeff Weimer
December 9, 2010 1:17 pm
>DirkH says:
>December 8, 2010 at 11:09 am
>Especially in its pure liquid form it is dangerous – it’s very hungry for ions, that’s why >you shouldn’t drink destillated water or use it as coolant for your car – it’ll corrode the >radiator.
That’s not true. Pure, distilled H2O is extremely stable. In fact, it’s an electrical insulator. It’s the dissolved ions of other elements that are hungry for stability and creating corrosion as a result. If you can, you should use distilled water in your car coolant, it will keep that corrosion from happening. The US Navy uses distilled water for cooling much of it’s electronic equipment, and it uses filters and ion-exchange devices to keep it as pure as possible to keep the pipes in the equipment from corroding.
Although the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are very real, by exercising caution and common sense, you can rest assured knowing that your Government is doing everything possible to keep you and your family safe.
Now there’s a scary thought.
Alex
December 9, 2010 2:13 pm
I hate to spoil the party, but it turns out that whether these idiots signed those petitions or not, the evidence points towards man-caused global warming.
HippyJoe
December 9, 2010 2:19 pm
Wide eyed eco-kooks will bite on any troll bait that looks like a protest.
Eco-kook women are the dumbest and easiest sex you can find anywhere…bar none..they are so gullible it’s almost boring.
Alex,
Calling your computer models “evidence” doesn’t make them evidence.
When the term “evidence” is used, it refers to evidence according to the scientific method: testable, replicable, empirical evidence. Anything else is GIGO hogwash.
“I hate to spoil the party, but it turns out that whether these idiots signed those petitions or not, the evidence points towards man-caused global warming.”
Speaking of clingers…..
From a posting I just made elsewhere:
When I said its been the second 1st-8th December on CET record, with records starting in 1659, that was wrong. Whilst monthly CET records do indeed begin in
1659 the daily data only begins in 1772.”
From Joe Bastardi today at http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bastardi-europe-blog.asp?partner=accuweather
Coining a new term let me say that I am skeptical about “the evidence points towards man-caused global warming” — indeed of any warming at all beyond the standard, cyclical variations.
But you came here expecting somebody to say that, didn’t yo9u?
At your service. Carry on while I go fetch in some fire wood.
“When the term “evidence” is used, it refers to evidence according to the scientific method: testable, replicable, empirical evidence. Anything else is GIGO hogwash.”
Being a non-scientist, I’ll go a step further, I’ll say that some of the stuff presented as evidence (as defined about) is better described as bilge.
I’m pretty much a what-I-see-with-my-own-eyes is evidence and some of that I’ll have to cross-check some how.
This row has been pretty well hoed, but when the magnitude of the “corrections” and “adjustments” is bigger than te change being claimed, and when in my 70-odd years on the planet–all lot of them out-of-doors–it isn’t as warm as it used to be I think skepticism is appropriate.
Why don’t you go have a slug of ethanol and hydrogen hydroxide over solid-phase DHMO and see if you can get your brain thawed enough to be useful.
Charles Sainte Claire P.E.
December 9, 2010 3:05 pm
Actually, if someone had asked me “What is dihydrogenmonoxide?” as the only question I think within ten seconds I would have realized it was H2O. So would any person like myself with a semester of high school chemistry. And the whole global warming theory rests on knowledge of physical science, such as chemistry, physics and weather. So how can these people be believed?
HippieJoe, I now think you are way wrong about the women-folk (you have some pretty severe evidence against you), but I have to wonder if you are a young man, perhaps high-school or junior high-school age, like I was when I not only believed that, but depended on it for any hopes of companionship. Although “boring” never came to mind.
Charles Sainte Claire P.E: You and a small handful of people “think” before responding.
We have abundant evidence that thinking is way out of fashion–just read back through the comments on this posting.
There have been petitions signed declaring as “UnAmerican” things like the Preamble to the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and others.
There was a clip circulating a few days ago on the question “Is Obama a Keynesian” where people went into a rant about where he was born, his birth certificate,and so on and so forth. There were some folks there (as here) accusing the video makers of cherry picking–of only showing the dunces.
I submit that if there are enough dunces to make a ten-minute video, we are convicted.
John David Galt
December 9, 2010 6:47 pm
Goes to show what great scientists those warmists are.
Nead Digger
December 9, 2010 10:26 pm
The Fabian Highway in full swing. Here’s a link to a pdf download of the Fabian Highway. http://mises.org/resources/4621
Death to the New World Order and UN!
mzk1
December 10, 2010 5:11 am
You got it backwards. The people asked if Obama was a Kensyan were leftists, and they were incensed at the allegation that he was born in, er, Kensyia?
I like these nuclear-free zones – no protons or neutrons allowed! (Or are they ourlawig DNA?)
Bruce Cobb
December 10, 2010 7:10 am
Too many kooks spoil the (climate) bilge.
Rizwan
December 10, 2010 8:37 am
Curiousgeorge says:
December 8, 2010 at 9:34 am
Let’s just get to the bottom line, hey? Ban Homo Sapiens and be done with it. That is the goal, right? Right? Hello! Hello, is anybody there!?
Josef Stalin: ‘Death solves all problems. No man no problem.’
Dillon Pyron
December 10, 2010 8:53 am
“Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader?” Apparently not. You know the old joke. Universities are great pools of knowledge. Freshman bring little in and graduates take nothing out.
If you want to sign the petition, let me know and I’ll send it to you. Please return it along with a donation to the organization, CASH.
Commentor
December 10, 2010 10:55 am
The petition itself is a willful lie.
The authors of the petition know full well that water does not need to be banned, yet they state otherwise.
Penn & Teller lied when they said the petition signers were never lied to. REPLY: and you lied (and violated site policy requiring a valid email address) when you claimed your email address is: “just_a@comment.org”
But this dishonesty while claiming others are dishonest, is typical for humorless drones like yourself. – Anthony
Commentor says:
December 10, 2010 at 10:55 am
The petition itself is a willful lie.
The authors of the petition know full well that water does not need to be banned, yet they state otherwise.
Why not? They banned cylcamates for no good reason. They want to ban CO2 (which is essential for life on earth) for false reasons. The petitioners did not lie – they just asked if the signers were stupid. The signers agreed.
Just because YOU do not think it needs to be banned does not mean that stupid people agree with you.
David A. Evans
December 10, 2010 11:23 am
Pedant alert!!!!
Commentor (sic) says:
December 10, 2010 at 10:55 am
Yes I’ll give you that asking for water to be banned was a lie. The properties described were not though.
All it was for was to show that people sign petitions without thinking. Others pick pedantic little semantic holes.
DaveE.
The authors of an awful lot of expensive trash know full well that carbon does not need to be banned, yet they state otherwise.
bubbagyro
December 10, 2010 3:43 pm
Jeff Weimer says:
December 9, 2010 at 1:17 pm
You are wrong-Dirk is right.
Pure water, at 18 MegaOhms, is one of the most corrosive solvents. It has nothing to do with stability. It is very stable, and a great solvent. It will corrode even the highest quality stainless steel, because it is hungry for ions, as Dirk said correctly.
The reason the Navy guy added distilled water is so salts would not build up, since they were already present. We chemists call that deactivation, or passivation of water by adding a small amount of electrolytes to avoid corrosion.
Constant operation stills are glass-lined for that reason. Even then, the pure water dissolves glass over time.
Did any of the people approached to sign the petition ask whether this was a joke when di-hydrogen monoxide was mentioned? If so, what percentage of those approached signed the petition and what percentage recognized the joke? In other words, other than the 8-10 people pictured in the video, did all the others recognize the ruse or did this video reflect a representative sample of those approached?
They should have tried this with some kind of real chemical, oh, say, unobtanium….
>DirkH says:
>December 8, 2010 at 11:09 am
>Especially in its pure liquid form it is dangerous – it’s very hungry for ions, that’s why >you shouldn’t drink destillated water or use it as coolant for your car – it’ll corrode the >radiator.
That’s not true. Pure, distilled H2O is extremely stable. In fact, it’s an electrical insulator. It’s the dissolved ions of other elements that are hungry for stability and creating corrosion as a result. If you can, you should use distilled water in your car coolant, it will keep that corrosion from happening. The US Navy uses distilled water for cooling much of it’s electronic equipment, and it uses filters and ion-exchange devices to keep it as pure as possible to keep the pipes in the equipment from corroding.
Holly Winger says:
December 9, 2010 at 12:45 pm
The answer to your questions can be found in this link.
Although the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are very real, by exercising caution and common sense, you can rest assured knowing that your Government is doing everything possible to keep you and your family safe.
Now there’s a scary thought.
I hate to spoil the party, but it turns out that whether these idiots signed those petitions or not, the evidence points towards man-caused global warming.
Wide eyed eco-kooks will bite on any troll bait that looks like a protest.
Eco-kook women are the dumbest and easiest sex you can find anywhere…bar none..they are so gullible it’s almost boring.
Alex,
Calling your computer models “evidence” doesn’t make them evidence.
When the term “evidence” is used, it refers to evidence according to the scientific method: testable, replicable, empirical evidence. Anything else is GIGO hogwash.
Ask these “scientists” if they’ve seen any snipes, or even jackalopes, lately….
“I hate to spoil the party, but it turns out that whether these idiots signed those petitions or not, the evidence points towards man-caused global warming.”
Speaking of clingers…..
From a posting I just made elsewhere:
When I said its been the second 1st-8th December on CET record, with records starting in 1659, that was wrong. Whilst monthly CET records do indeed begin in
1659 the daily data only begins in 1772.”
From Joe Bastardi today at http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bastardi-europe-blog.asp?partner=accuweather
Coining a new term let me say that I am skeptical about “the evidence points towards man-caused global warming” — indeed of any warming at all beyond the standard, cyclical variations.
But you came here expecting somebody to say that, didn’t yo9u?
At your service. Carry on while I go fetch in some fire wood.
“When the term “evidence” is used, it refers to evidence according to the scientific method: testable, replicable, empirical evidence. Anything else is GIGO hogwash.”
Being a non-scientist, I’ll go a step further, I’ll say that some of the stuff presented as evidence (as defined about) is better described as bilge.
I’m pretty much a what-I-see-with-my-own-eyes is evidence and some of that I’ll have to cross-check some how.
This row has been pretty well hoed, but when the magnitude of the “corrections” and “adjustments” is bigger than te change being claimed, and when in my 70-odd years on the planet–all lot of them out-of-doors–it isn’t as warm as it used to be I think skepticism is appropriate.
Why don’t you go have a slug of ethanol and hydrogen hydroxide over solid-phase DHMO and see if you can get your brain thawed enough to be useful.
Actually, if someone had asked me “What is dihydrogenmonoxide?” as the only question I think within ten seconds I would have realized it was H2O. So would any person like myself with a semester of high school chemistry. And the whole global warming theory rests on knowledge of physical science, such as chemistry, physics and weather. So how can these people be believed?
HippieJoe, I now think you are way wrong about the women-folk (you have some pretty severe evidence against you), but I have to wonder if you are a young man, perhaps high-school or junior high-school age, like I was when I not only believed that, but depended on it for any hopes of companionship. Although “boring” never came to mind.
Charles Sainte Claire P.E: You and a small handful of people “think” before responding.
We have abundant evidence that thinking is way out of fashion–just read back through the comments on this posting.
There have been petitions signed declaring as “UnAmerican” things like the Preamble to the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and others.
There was a clip circulating a few days ago on the question “Is Obama a Keynesian” where people went into a rant about where he was born, his birth certificate,and so on and so forth. There were some folks there (as here) accusing the video makers of cherry picking–of only showing the dunces.
I submit that if there are enough dunces to make a ten-minute video, we are convicted.
Goes to show what great scientists those warmists are.
The Fabian Highway in full swing. Here’s a link to a pdf download of the Fabian Highway. http://mises.org/resources/4621
Death to the New World Order and UN!
You got it backwards. The people asked if Obama was a Kensyan were leftists, and they were incensed at the allegation that he was born in, er, Kensyia?
I like these nuclear-free zones – no protons or neutrons allowed! (Or are they ourlawig DNA?)
Too many kooks spoil the (climate) bilge.
Curiousgeorge says:
December 8, 2010 at 9:34 am
Let’s just get to the bottom line, hey? Ban Homo Sapiens and be done with it. That is the goal, right? Right? Hello! Hello, is anybody there!?
Josef Stalin: ‘Death solves all problems. No man no problem.’
“Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader?” Apparently not. You know the old joke. Universities are great pools of knowledge. Freshman bring little in and graduates take nothing out.
If you want to sign the petition, let me know and I’ll send it to you. Please return it along with a donation to the organization, CASH.
The petition itself is a willful lie.
The authors of the petition know full well that water does not need to be banned, yet they state otherwise.
Penn & Teller lied when they said the petition signers were never lied to.
REPLY: and you lied (and violated site policy requiring a valid email address) when you claimed your email address is: “just_a@comment.org”
But this dishonesty while claiming others are dishonest, is typical for humorless drones like yourself. – Anthony
Commentor says:
December 10, 2010 at 10:55 am
The petition itself is a willful lie.
The authors of the petition know full well that water does not need to be banned, yet they state otherwise.
Why not? They banned cylcamates for no good reason. They want to ban CO2 (which is essential for life on earth) for false reasons. The petitioners did not lie – they just asked if the signers were stupid. The signers agreed.
Just because YOU do not think it needs to be banned does not mean that stupid people agree with you.
Pedant alert!!!!
Commentor (sic) says:
December 10, 2010 at 10:55 am
Yes I’ll give you that asking for water to be banned was a lie. The properties described were not though.
All it was for was to show that people sign petitions without thinking. Others pick pedantic little semantic holes.
DaveE.
The authors of an awful lot of expensive trash know full well that carbon does not need to be banned, yet they state otherwise.
Jeff Weimer says:
December 9, 2010 at 1:17 pm
You are wrong-Dirk is right.
Pure water, at 18 MegaOhms, is one of the most corrosive solvents. It has nothing to do with stability. It is very stable, and a great solvent. It will corrode even the highest quality stainless steel, because it is hungry for ions, as Dirk said correctly.
The reason the Navy guy added distilled water is so salts would not build up, since they were already present. We chemists call that deactivation, or passivation of water by adding a small amount of electrolytes to avoid corrosion.
Constant operation stills are glass-lined for that reason. Even then, the pure water dissolves glass over time.