Wikileaks first climate cables
By Ecotretas
Reading through the few Wikileaks cables related to climate, the tip of the iceberg becomes visible. The most interesting seems to involve the usual pressures related to top level nominations: in this case, the nomination for the IPCC Group II organization comes to light. The original cable is still not known, but it is said to state that Christopher Field had no opposition; the other proposed position for co-chair, Mostafa Jafari, an Iran scientist, was not acceptable, although a qualified scientist. The cable apparently states that Rajendra Pachauri, head of the IPCC, promised background collaboration, and non-identification of the US pressures. The Austrian delegate, which lead the selection process, also agreed on the veto on Jafari.
In other cables, we can see the unreal demands being made by some countries in the World. The developed countries, pressured by alarmists, are “falling all over itself to browbeat them into taking money to go along with a plan to give them more money“. But this is starting to change: “The Danes said they are “fed up”” because the reasons behind the show are no longer climate: “Gisela Ulloa, a member of Bolivian delegations to earlier COP meetings told us the GOB’s position is aimed at creating an alternative development model consistent with Morales’s anti-capitalist philosophy.”
Another profound cable relates to Saudi Arabia. One only has to read the following, to understand what is really happening (bold is my responsibility):
Is Al-Naimi the Problem?
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9. (S) Minister Al-Naimi has consistently been rational and practical in talking with western delegations about climate change, noting that Saudi Arabia had to address its development concerns, but conceding that the world needs to work together to address climate change. These reassuring statements stand in sharp contrast to Al-Sabban’s public comments, such as questioning the science behind climate change just before Copenhagen, and his often obstructionist behavior, as reported by a number of Embassies in Riyadh, during working-level negotiations. Senior Ministry of Petroleum officials have reassured us after each of Al-Sabban’s public outbursts over the last six months that he has been “tamed” and brought back onto the reservation. The frequency and number of times that Al-Sabban steps out of line, and the apparent lack of any sanction, raises questions about the real Saudi position on climate change.
And than we see “that Pope Benedict had firmly established his “green” reputation“, which “even if discreetly, is significant because the Vatican is often reluctant to appear to compromise its independence and moral authority by associating itself with particular lobbying efforts“. Religion, at it’s best.
What really strikes us is the fact that all this Copenhagen/Cancun stuff has nothing to do with the Climate, or saving the World. It’s about political positioning, money, and plain old fascism cult promotion. But as referred before, this is only the tip of the iceberg. More is to come, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re going to be answered about who is behind Climategate, or Al Gore’s Nobel nomination, or the facts behind all the IPCC mess. Stay tuned…
peter fimmel says:
If diplomats can’t stand the heat from the light shone on them, they should stay out of diplomacy.
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My guess would be that diplomats do what they are told from higher authorities in the State Dept, but even if you don’t have concern for the safety of diplomats. There are a lot more lower level people potentially put at risk by leaking confidential information willy Nilly including dissidents from countries like Iran, for example..
The NYT’s about had a coniption over Valeries Plame, and this Asange charcater has gone into hiding so they’re capable of sympathy to these issues when it suits their agenda.
“I have a son that serves on a nuclear sub–were you to tell the enemy the location of that boat so it could be destroyed, you would indeed be guilty of treason. And murder. ”
What enemy? How many are getting blown out of the water? Paranoid nonsense.
Doug,
We are simply seeing the wheel turning, everything we see has been done before and there is really nothing new under the sun.
Will we learn by the mistakes of the past? Will violent upheaval be required? I and I suspect many others are seeing a huge increase in anger and frustration building, its everywhere and all pervasive, ordinary people are being frozen out of vital decisions and our voices are being ignored.
I think this situation has gone beyond the left right paradigm now, its us against them now, either they prevail or we do and we can sort out the real politics later when we have won our freedom back, we do not have politics anymore it seems but simply a ruling class determined to rule as an elitist dictatorship.
There is a good percentage of people on WUWT who can work this out..
“..stage-managed and filtered.” – rbw152
“Global scale fraud.” – John Q Public
“To me it looks like a carefully planned operation to influence public opinion; putting them out in the open in a precisely planned sequence. You are being played. Take your own guess about who the puppetmaster is.” – DirkH
“A world-wide fraud.” – pat
“Don’t hold your breath waiting for wikileaks to reveal something damaging to AGW. Since they control the flow of information they can withhold anything that doesn’t agree with their view of the world.” – TerryS
Good advice!
Pay no attention to wikileaks.
Its a scam!
They will only use it discredit CLIMATEGATE.. and threaten or scare any other potential whistleblower.
Somehow, those clever Guardian writers were able to pen that tale without once mentioning the name Obama. I did not think this story could be told without at least one mention of the name of the bossman, but they did it. Bravo.
“Garry says: December 4, 2010 at 9:42 am
“GOB’s [Bolivia’s] position is aimed at creating an alternative development model consistent with Morales’s anti-capitalist philosophy.”
I think I deduce that “alternative development model “:
“No more World Bank, IMF, IDB, or USAID. Just give us bags of cash please, and do it fast.”
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No just the first 4. Morales just insists on getting a fair deal and is one hell of a negotiator. From 20% of the gas revenue to 80%? So Bolivia now gets 2 billion a year instead of 300 million for their resources. I may not like his lefty politics but damn the man can cut a deal with some cutthroat business types without flinching!
Cassandra King says December 5, 2010 at 7:14 am : “I think this situation has gone beyond the left right paradigm now, its us against them now,”
I’m in complete agreement.
This concerted effort to monetize the air we breathe – and that’s the meta reason for all climate scams – has pushed the political classes completely off the rails.
No matter your opinion on the release of the cables we are getting valuable information. The most interesting cable I’ve read concerning the AGW scam is the one describing how the Copenhagen Accord(So called non-binding agreement last year) is a backdoor to get carbon trading going. This is a bombshell in my opinion. Anthony please if you get a chance post something on this. I’ll post back with the exact cable.
This is from the U.S. Embassy in Paris dated 02-17-10
(C) Borloo argued that the key to implementing the “equilibrium”
revealed at Copenhagen was an arrangement that would be voluntary but
also automatic in implementation and would include tradable emissions
quotas (with linked carbon markets), a forestry mechanism (REDD
Plus), and financing, including innovative financing and a fast start
mechanism. He commented that China would agree to such a system as
far preferable to a U.S. and EU carbon border tax or tariff
arrangement.
I fail to understand the voluntary part and automatic implementation(doublespeak) that the French diplomat prefers for the backdoor gravy train of Carbon Trading, it sure doesn’t sound like democracy to me.
De resistência-resistência EcoTretas – nice one.
I saw this written by Karl Denniger:
http://market-ticker.org/
>>>>I’m left being rather unimpressed here thus far across the board. What I’ve seen of the publicly-reported “Wikileaks” (e.g. via the Guardian, etc) is a government that does what governments do. Arguably the most-damning exchanges thus far are what appear to be bribes and extortion related to the Copenhagen climate stuff.
This is a surprise? There never has been any science related to “global warming” that was worth a damn and there still isn’t – so instead of admitting the truth, even after commented source was released proving the data was cooked the zealots turned to trying to bribe nations with “gifts” of “foreign aid” and lie about how the money was going to be moved.<<<
“Comment: Conversi’s offer to support the U.S., even if discreetly, is significant because the Vatican is often reluctant to appear to compromise its independence and moral authority by associating itself with particular lobbying efforts….“
The Vatican’s “moral authority” is already a feeble ghost of itself after the discovery of clerical sexual abuse not just in the US, Australia, Germany, Ireland, and the Philippines, but all over the world. The cover-up has been a top-down phenomenon.
A fructibus eorum cognoscetis eos.
continuing the quotation above: “…Even more important than the Vatican’s lobbying assistance, however, is the influence the Pope’s guidance can have on public opinion in countries with large Catholic majorities and beyond. End Comment.”
Now that the Vatican has publicly compromised its “independence and moral authority” by dabbling in political matters, it won’t be long before any remaining shreds of its “moral authority” fall away, along with “the Pope’s guidance.”
Sic transit gloria mundi.
Garry says:
December 5, 2010 at 10:56 am
This concerted effort to monetize the air we breathe – and that’s the meta reason for all climate scams – has pushed the political classes completely off the rails.
Kinda’ brings out the “best” in them, I’d say.
Always wonder why people undercut there own arguments with words like fascism which have extreme emotive content and in most use zero meaning. For example Facism is almost always defined as based on an exaltation of nationalism and national and/or racial identity. I doubt very seriously that was the authors meaning. The minute I see such references, as I am sure many others do, I assume I am dealing with a non rational argument and dismiss it out of hand.
cms says:
December 6, 2010 at 9:44 am
What? Like calling people climate “deniers”?
cms, Fascism is the melding of government with corporatism (now international corporatism) not nationalism, which was their cover and a very successful propaganda tool. Nationalism, however, is not what fascism is at least according to Mussolini. The writing of the philosophies of fascism and communism were financed by the same money source. Two different ways to attain the goal of totalitarianism by the corporate elite. Your dismissal might be a form of unconscious denial or willful ignorance.
jorgekafkazar says:
December 5, 2010 at 8:04 pm
My favourites are of course: “Sic biscuitus disintegratum” and “nil illegitum carborundum”.
This post was mentioned on Rush Limbaugh this morning around 11 am.
Congratulations to Anthony and Ecotretas.
Jimmy Haigh says: My favourites are of course: “Sic biscuitus disintegratum” and “nil illegitum carborundum”.
ad sulum suus
@Louis:
‘And in section 42 he {the Pope} calls for the “large-scale redistribution of wealth on a world-wide scale”. ‘
Could start with the assets of his own church then, eh?
jason says:
December 5, 2010 at 7:03 am
Referring to another post…“I have a son that serves on a nuclear sub–were you to tell the enemy the location of that boat so it could be destroyed, you would indeed be guilty of treason. And murder. ”
Jason states “What enemy? How many are getting blown out of the water? Paranoid nonsense.”
Well Jason, if you were one of the hundred or so Afgans named as cooperating with US efforts , or a member of their family, you may feel differently. The motive of the leaker desires world wide anarchy, this and putting innocent lives in danger is very serious despite the fact that some of the transparency is desireable.
(Where) can I download all these cables? I’m sure Assange et al will be silenced,whatever it takes.
The Hidden Agenda Behind WikiLeaks
http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-webster-tarpley-the-hidden-agenda-behind-wikileaks/
The leaked documents show that the last thing the U.S. government wants anywhere is a government that is accountable to its own citizens instead of to the U.S. government.
The U.S. government’s frontal assault on freedom of information goes well beyond WikiLeaks and shutting down its host servers. In a Dec. 2 editorial, “Wave Good-bye to Internet freedom,” the Washington Times reports that Federal Communications Commission chairman Julius Genachowski has “outlined a plan to expand the federal government’s power over the Internet.”
The obvious, but unasked, question is: Why does the U.S. government fear the American people and believe that only news that is managed and spun by the government is fit to print? Is there an agenda afoot to turn citizens into subjects?
http://www.infowars.com/western-civilization-has-shed-its-values/
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