More on the Wikileaks Climate Cables

Wikileaks first climate cables

By Ecotretas

Reading through the few Wikileaks cables related to climate, the tip of the iceberg becomes visible. The most interesting seems to involve the usual pressures related to top level nominations: in this case, the nomination for the IPCC Group II organization comes to light. The original cable is still not known, but it is said to state that Christopher Field had no opposition; the other proposed position for co-chair, Mostafa Jafari, an Iran scientist, was not acceptable, although a qualified scientist. The cable apparently states that Rajendra Pachauri, head of the IPCC, promised background collaboration, and non-identification of the US pressures. The Austrian delegate, which lead the selection process, also agreed on the veto on Jafari.

In other cables, we can see the unreal demands being made by some countries in the World. The developed countries, pressured by alarmists, are “falling all over itself to browbeat them into taking money to go along with a plan to give them more money“. But this is starting to change: “The Danes said they are “fed up”” because the reasons behind the show are no longer climate: “Gisela Ulloa, a member of Bolivian delegations to earlier COP meetings told us the GOB’s position is aimed at creating an alternative development model consistent with Morales’s anti-capitalist philosophy.

Another profound cable relates to Saudi Arabia. One only has to read the following, to understand what is really happening (bold is my responsibility):

Is Al-Naimi the Problem?

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9. (S) Minister Al-Naimi has consistently been rational and practical in talking with western delegations about climate change, noting that Saudi Arabia had to address its development concerns, but conceding that the world needs to work together to address climate change. These reassuring statements stand in sharp contrast to Al-Sabban’s public comments, such as questioning the science behind climate change just before Copenhagen, and his often obstructionist behavior, as reported by a number of Embassies in Riyadh, during working-level negotiations. Senior Ministry of Petroleum officials have reassured us after each of Al-Sabban’s public outbursts over the last six months that he has been “tamed” and brought back onto the reservation. The frequency and number of times that Al-Sabban steps out of line, and the apparent lack of any sanction, raises questions about the real Saudi position on climate change.

And than we see “that Pope Benedict had firmly established his “green” reputation“, which “even if discreetly, is significant because the Vatican is often reluctant to appear to compromise its independence and moral authority by associating itself with particular lobbying efforts“. Religion, at it’s best.

What really strikes us is the fact that all this Copenhagen/Cancun stuff has nothing to do with the Climate, or saving the World. It’s about political positioning, money, and plain old fascism cult promotion. But as referred before, this is only the tip of the iceberg. More is to come, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re going to be answered about who is behind Climategate, or Al Gore’s Nobel nomination, or the facts behind all the IPCC mess. Stay tuned…

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“Cimate Cables” ?

Good, looks like you fixed the typo right away. Don’t you hate it when the typo is right in the title line? 😉

pat

A world-wide fraud.

Jenn Oates

Popcorn. Forgot to buy popcorn. Must go back to grocery today and buy a big bag. And Diet Coke, lots of it. Heh heh heh.

DirkH

“Gisela Ulloa, a member of Bolivian delegations to earlier COP meetings told us the GOB’s position is aimed at creating an alternative development model consistent with Morales’s anti-capitalist philosophy.“
Well, duh. I thought the Greens in the West were anti-capitalist in the first place as they emerged out of the remainders of Eurocommunism and student revolts in the 70ies. So what’s the problem with an upright socialist like Morales.

MattN

Wikigate could prove to be as damaging to the cause as Climategate. In general, people do not trust anything that involves secret negotiations and backroom handshakes….

Oslo

The dane link is about Bolivia.

David Davidovics

This is the first I’ve heard of wikileaks getting into this sort of thing. I must have missed something but when did this start?

Cam_S

Maybe OT, but Wikileaks has been a double edged sword. It’s nice to have access to all kinds of information. But some of the items released have compromised the safety of citizens of repressive governments. Some things are better left unknown.
WikiLeaks just made the world more repressive
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/wikileaks-just-made-the-world-more-repressive/article1818157/

And this keeps giving and giving, and than it gives even more.

David, UK

Indeed I will stay tuned! This is gold. I can imagine those fascists will by now be dreading each approaching Christmas for years to come, if the last one and this one are anything to go by.
And I’m loving it.

Garry

“GOB’s [Bolivia’s] position is aimed at creating an alternative development model consistent with Morales’s anti-capitalist philosophy.”
I think I deduce that “alternative development model “:
“No more World Bank, IMF, IDB, or USAID. Just give us bags of cash please, and do it fast.”

Ben

Please add a brief definitions section, so that readers can quickly be reminded of the meaning of references like GOB, COP, etc.
[Reply: There is a glossary on the mast head. It may not be completely up to date. This page has some acronyms. ~dbs, mod.]

Wikileaks are not necessarily stickyleaks…

It’s the sun, or in this case, sunlight — shone on the backroom machinations of the career Dips — that are going to change the (political) climate.

JohnD

Don’t take the bait by looking past WikiFreak’s atrocities just because they present a few “good” tidbits; the Eco-cult AGW scam is being outed without any help from them.
Don’t stop with Assange. Destroy all the Wikifreak criminals and their accomplices.

David Ball

The title should read ” Climate cabals” .

robertvdl

[snip – aspartame and Diet coke…waaaaay off topic ~mod]

David Ball

It appears my first post went straight to the spam bin. Curious. Little help? Pls. and Thx.

Alexander K

I’m beginning to warm to Wikileaks!

David Ball

These guys are going to need more than a little dutch boy. This is something that many who have followed the climate scam have been expecting.

Sarf of the River

David Davidovics – Much as I detest the Grauniad their coverage of the WikiLeaks cables is rather good. It’s not all climate stuff though, many are worth a read if only to confirm what you may or may not have suspected all along…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/the-us-embassy-cables
Don’t forget, if you are an employee of the USA government you will more than likely lose your job if you view these at work!

Mike

“What really strikes us is the fact that all this Copenhagen/Cancun stuff has nothing to do with the Climate, or saving the World. It’s about political positioning, money, and plain old fascism cult promotion.”
Diplomats deal with the political side of things. Nuclear physics does not come up a lot in arms control talks. Is your use of the word “fascism” a simple spell checker mistake or was it intended for some reason? I’m guessing the former.

hotrod ( Larry L )

David Davidovics says:
December 4, 2010 at 9:34 am
This is the first I’ve heard of wikileaks getting into this sort of thing. I must have missed something but when did this start?

My understanding is that buried in the now infamous classified cable leak, are tidbits of intelligence that are related to climate and global warming issues and the negotiations that went on behind the scenes to enable or prevent certain things from happening. Only time will tell as there is a massive data dump there to plow through and the folks interested in climate gate like issue have only just begun to dig through things.
It may even contain some smoking gun revelations about behind the scenes deals, that are now only suspected. As above stock up on the popcorn it will be an interesting holiday season as all this gets dissected (assuming wikileaks can stay online long enough for someone to capture all the relevant evidence.)
Larry

PaulH

There’s something pleasingly retro about calling them “cables” – like they were all sent by telegraph. 😉

dwright

The world is FINALLY changing for the better.
And yes, popcorn is a good idea, a few beers as well.
Party like those Cancun politic “scientists”
O wait, no I think their party is ……… OVER
And the rest of us are going back to work in Jan. knowing that we still might have jobs to go to.
[d]

Robinson

The cable apparently states that Rajendra Pachauri, head of the IPCC, promised background collaboration, and non-identification of the US pressures.

Can you rephrase this in English for me, so I can understand it?

JoeFromEveryWhere

KeepLeaks!
JFEW

Here is another one on one of the Dutch mirrors of Wikileaks.
http://mirror.geenstijl.nl/20101203-wikileaks/cable/2010/01/10THEHAGUE54.html
AMBASSADOR DISCUSSES CLIMATE WITH ENVIRONMENT MINISTER

Richard Sharpe

Robinson says on December 4, 2010 at 11:01 am

The cable apparently states that Rajendra Pachauri, head of the IPCC, promised background collaboration, and non-identification of the US pressures.

Can you rephrase this in English for me, so I can understand it?

Pachauri promised that he would collaborate behind the scenes with the US and that he would not point out to the rest of the IPCC or the world any pressures that the US would bring to bear to obtain special treatment.

kramer

Check this out:
“Over the next few years, the Mexican economy –like the rest of the worldʼs economies- will have to move onto a trajectory of low carbon-intensity growth, at the same time as implementing adaptation processes to minimize the impacts of climate change. The monetary and financial resources needed for so doing are certainly significant, and of course alternative uses for these resources do exist, including infrastructure development, a social welfare system and the education system, all of which are also essential for sustainable development.”
Page 63
http://www.cop16.mx/en/climate-change/economics-of-climate-change-in-mexico/
Translation; The ‘unprecedented’ funding that we get from the North for mitigation and adaptation will also be used by us to build our infrastructure (a form of ‘development’), educating our children, and funding our social welfare programs.
Are you f@(%!#& kidding me??? We’re going to fund their welfare and school systems? This has got to be a joke!!!
I sometimes think our government is infested with people working for the interests of foreign nations over ours. Am I nuts for thinking this?

Curiousgeorge

Since the issue of climate change has been the subject of various reports by the US DoD ( and those of other countries, I imagine ) and National Defense is of particular interest to all countries on strategic and tactical levels, I have no doubt that there will be additional “cables” forthcoming that will connect several dots. It will be interesting.

Thomas

Must be strange for you americans: May it be possible, that Wikileaks is not the devil or a part of Al Kaida? I think, that Wikileaks only makes informations public, that many politicians don’t like to read. The truth doesn’t look good for them, so let’s destroy Wikileaks: Take the servers away (Amazon), freeze their account for donations (Paypal/ebay).
I think we need an institution like Wikileaks (allthough I also don’t like all of their publications). Someone who doesn’t feer to publicate the truth. But I don’t need to make bussiness with Amazon, ebay and Paypal. I canceld all my accounts at these companies.

“What really strikes us is the fact that all this Copenhagen/Cancun stuff has nothing to do with the Climate, or saving the World. It’s about political positioning, money, and plain old fascism cult promotion.”
Duh.

dwright

JFEW:
Agreed.
All of this started with a leak.
And without that leak we would be heading back to the stone age into forward into the space age.
[D]

Fred

So WikiLeaks swings both ways . . . cool.

dwright

[instead of forward]
my bad,
[d]

DirkH

Oslo says:
December 4, 2010 at 9:33 am
“The dane link is about Bolivia.”
And Gisela Ulloa is a Bolivian name, i know.

DirkH

Thomas says:
December 4, 2010 at 11:16 am
“Must be strange for you americans: May it be possible, that Wikileaks is not the devil or a part of Al Kaida?”
Thomas, AFAIK these reports would have been released after 10 years anyway. To me it looks like a carefully planned operation to influence public opinion; putting them out in the open in a precisely planned sequence. You are being played. Take your own guess about who the puppetmaster is.
Oops. Did i just say puppetmaster? 😉

Dave F

Old hat, I’m afraid. All of this stuff is known by careful observers. Wikileaks leaks more information that makes headlines, but little in the way of real substantial impact. What has releasing these cables accomplished? Nothing but a further inflation of the Assange ego. Time for him and Pfc. Manning to stand trial for espionage and treason, respectively.

Paul Deacon

Robinson says:
December 4, 2010 at 11:01 am
The cable apparently states that Rajendra Pachauri, head of the IPCC, promised background collaboration, and non-identification of the US pressures.
Can you rephrase this in English for me, so I can understand it?
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It means Pachauri promised (a) to help the US behind the scenes (not in public) and (b) to not reveal US pressure tactics to which he was party.
Hope that helps.

TerryS

Re: Curiousgeorge

I have no doubt that there will be additional “cables” forthcoming that will connect several dots. It will be interesting.

Don’t hold your breath waiting for wikileaks to reveal something damaging to AGW. Since they control the flow of information they can withhold anything that doesn’t agree with their view of the world.

John Cooper

I believe this was originally posted at The Guardian, but from Gateway Pundit: Woah!… Wikileaks Documents Show Obama Administration Used Spying, Threats & Bribes to Get Support for Copenhagen Accord

The US diplomatic cables reveal how the US seeks dirt on nations opposed to its approach to tackling global warming; how financial and other aid is used by countries to gain political backing; how distrust, broken promises and creative accounting dog negotiations; and how the US mounted a secret global diplomatic offensive to overwhelm opposition to the controversial “Copenhagen accord”, the unofficial document that emerged from the ruins of the Copenhagen climate change summit in 2009.

Jeff Wiita

Wikileaks is better than Climategate
Keep Smiling 🙂

derise

The New York Times, et al, has been publishing leaked information for decades, always in dribs and drabs, usually to fit an agenda. Now XXX comes out with a firehose of information, first Iraq, then Afganastan, with no great hue & cry from the left. Now the bodies are being pulled from the dark holes in Foggy Bottom. Let the gnashing of teeth commence.

don’t fear “the one” will just have his epa declare co2 a poison and regulate&tax us to death. NOT THE HOPE & CHANGE YA VOTED FOR????

MikeA

I think the reference to Pachauri is significant, he appears to have been serving US interests all along, the rest is just a front. He was appointed for this very purpose, so he is still “on song”.

johnb

I know this is a tangent, but it must be remembered that Wikileaks has not released all of the information that they have. They are collaborating with a handful of media outlets to selectively release information. In other words, they are holding some information back. If the politics of the major news outlets don’t feel that it’s newsworthy then it may not get released. We may only get to see the records most damaging to the US and not those that may damage the Climate Industrial Complex.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101203/D9JSE2EG0.html

SSam

Evidently Julian Assange has a death wish.
The US, having the wherewithal to seize the domains of websites associated with claimed copyright pirates, does nothing when “National Security” is at stake.
UK lauds his activity with regards to human rights violations, yet has egg on it’s face when they are the subject of the disclosure.
Urinating in the general direction of Russia, a country known for it’s interesting Polonium-210 food additives, is not generally considered a really good idea. Yet Julian Assange has whipped it out and given a good squirt.
Now he’s messing around with Global Warming people. A group not known for rational behavior and logic.
Best-o-luck Julian.
Yer gonna need it.

Curiousgeorge

PayPal just cut off WikiLeaks funding line thru them – http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101204/D9JT6MHO0.html
Dec 4, 11:24 AM (ET)
By JUERGEN BAETZ
BERLIN (AP) – The online payment service provider PayPal has cut off the account used by WikiLeaks to collect donations, serving another blow to the organization just as it was struggling to keep its website accessible after an American company stopped directing traffic to it.
PayPal said in a blog posting that the move was prompted by a violation of its policy, “which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity.”

Con’td at link.