Wikileaks first climate cables
By Ecotretas
Reading through the few Wikileaks cables related to climate, the tip of the iceberg becomes visible. The most interesting seems to involve the usual pressures related to top level nominations: in this case, the nomination for the IPCC Group II organization comes to light. The original cable is still not known, but it is said to state that Christopher Field had no opposition; the other proposed position for co-chair, Mostafa Jafari, an Iran scientist, was not acceptable, although a qualified scientist. The cable apparently states that Rajendra Pachauri, head of the IPCC, promised background collaboration, and non-identification of the US pressures. The Austrian delegate, which lead the selection process, also agreed on the veto on Jafari.
In other cables, we can see the unreal demands being made by some countries in the World. The developed countries, pressured by alarmists, are “falling all over itself to browbeat them into taking money to go along with a plan to give them more money“. But this is starting to change: “The Danes said they are “fed up”” because the reasons behind the show are no longer climate: “Gisela Ulloa, a member of Bolivian delegations to earlier COP meetings told us the GOB’s position is aimed at creating an alternative development model consistent with Morales’s anti-capitalist philosophy.”
Another profound cable relates to Saudi Arabia. One only has to read the following, to understand what is really happening (bold is my responsibility):
Is Al-Naimi the Problem?
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9. (S) Minister Al-Naimi has consistently been rational and practical in talking with western delegations about climate change, noting that Saudi Arabia had to address its development concerns, but conceding that the world needs to work together to address climate change. These reassuring statements stand in sharp contrast to Al-Sabban’s public comments, such as questioning the science behind climate change just before Copenhagen, and his often obstructionist behavior, as reported by a number of Embassies in Riyadh, during working-level negotiations. Senior Ministry of Petroleum officials have reassured us after each of Al-Sabban’s public outbursts over the last six months that he has been “tamed” and brought back onto the reservation. The frequency and number of times that Al-Sabban steps out of line, and the apparent lack of any sanction, raises questions about the real Saudi position on climate change.
And than we see “that Pope Benedict had firmly established his “green” reputation“, which “even if discreetly, is significant because the Vatican is often reluctant to appear to compromise its independence and moral authority by associating itself with particular lobbying efforts“. Religion, at it’s best.
What really strikes us is the fact that all this Copenhagen/Cancun stuff has nothing to do with the Climate, or saving the World. It’s about political positioning, money, and plain old fascism cult promotion. But as referred before, this is only the tip of the iceberg. More is to come, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re going to be answered about who is behind Climategate, or Al Gore’s Nobel nomination, or the facts behind all the IPCC mess. Stay tuned…
Is it paranoia to believe that they are out to get everyone?
Paypal isn’t the only way to make donations to Wikileaks. But it is annoying to see them cut Wikileaks off like that. I hope they fully processed my donation first.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-us-manipulated-climate-accord
So the other day, Wikileaks for taking credit for Climate Gate (see the youtube video), but now it’s saying that USA is the villian, wish it would make up its mind?
In response to Ecotretas’ last paragraph, I put forward this gem (posted before – apologies if you have already seen it):-
“The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
– Club of Rome,
premier environmental think-tank,
consultants to the United Nations
I am not sure of the date of this illuminating nugget, but I believe it to be prior to Copenhagen.
BTW, one thing I would be interested in, if these oligarchs have their way with ruling the world, along with the decimation of population, is who is going to maintain their power stations, or till their fields?
I don’t think I like this guy Assange a bit, but, it seems some good things maybe coming out of the chaos. It’s an ill wind that blows nobody any good. And anyway, are politicians any more saintly than this guy?
As some wit said many years ago: The less we know about how laws and sausages are made, the better we sleep at night.
So, next thing, Assange may be telling us how sausages are made. He can do that while in jail I suppose.
Here I thought there were no more “-gates” in our lexicon. And up comes climatecablegate.
kramer says:
I sometimes think our government is infested with people working for the interests of foreign nations over ours. Am I nuts for thinking this?
Until last year, yes. As of now, not so much …. 😉
There is another salient point in this post, and that is the subjugation of the world press to publish freely. This is not now possible, especially with regard to almost anything to do with climate, unless it agrees with man-made climate warming.
Anyone who has been, or is to embark on writing a book on the the falsehoods of so-called AGW (or whatever it’s called nowadays) will not find an easy passage for publication.
Some powerful people are behind this torrid state of affairs, and one of that bunch of gangsters is probably the UNO, closely followed by Greenpeace, the WWF and the EU non-elected bureaucrats, to name but a few like-minded sychophants.
To me this whole Wikileaks episode is a mixed bag–I think diplomacy should be honest but then that’s a contradiction in terms, unfortunately. I also have two sons and a son-in-law in the military, so anything that would make it more dangerous for them makes me angry. However, if this whole Wilileaks fiasco makes it more difficult to establish world governance, I’m cheering it on. Certainly, anything that corroborates the fiendish behavior exposed in the Climategate emails also gets my support!
MikeA says:
December 4, 2010 at 12:25 pm
‘I think the reference to Pachauri is significant, he appears to have been serving US interests all along, the rest is just a front. He was appointed for this very purpose, so he is still “on song”.’
What will the Greens do when they learn that their heroes have been funded by the CIA or some other government agency?
I’m of two minds on WikiLeaks, one mind remembers reading the cable dispatches – yes they were cable (1970-1977) – in Zurich at the Union Bank of Switzerland Cafe (open to the public). Reuters, Depeche France, Neue Zuericher Zeitung, Financial Times, AP, UPI, etc. and seeing things never appearing in any newspaper I could read. Sometimes things diametrically opposed to what ultimately appeared in the international press, which prompted a growing sense of paranoia. Things weren’t as I was told they were. Having grown up in Arizona, and having been deeply involved with AZ politics starting in 1959, I was a stanch conservative – at least in the beginning. This mind, the shocked one, thinks that WikiLeaks is doing the world a service.
The other mind, it cringes when it sees the intelligence side and the sort of hidden, but not well enough hidden sources.
In the 1970’s a CIA Agent by the name of Welsh was assassinated in Athens. I was living in Zurich had they had more “unsolved” murders of foreign nationals than one would wish. So when someone “jokingly” introduced me as the “local American CIA Agent” at a party, I really got a shock. It was a joke, but the feeling of being a possible target was uncomfortable to say the least. So this mind wants the dangerous leaks stopped.
All in all, more transparency keeps Mother/Father State at bay. I forget who said it, but the quote was something like this, “A State/Military Secret is only secret in it’s own country.” We would do well to remember this.
Mods, please change “than” to “then” in this bit:
And than we see “that Pope Benedict had firmly established his “green” reputation“,
EXCELLENT information, I had wondered if the leaked cables held pearls of wisdom about climate politics! Thanks for posting!
Please change “Zurich had” to “Zurich and” in the third paragraph.
[Sorry, Matt, I can’t find “Aspen” anywhere in the article. ~dbs.]
“Conversi immediately expressed the Holy See’s genuine desire to see the Copenhagen process move forward.”
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This is not surprising to those familiar with the Pope’s encyclical of 2009, “Caritas in Veritate”. In section 50 the Pope writes, “…the protection of the environment, of resources and of the climate obliges all international leaders to act jointly…”. In section 67 he says “…there is urgent need of a true world political authority”. Among other things, this world authority must be given the power “to guarantee the protection of the environment”, bring about “disarmament”, “food security” and “regulate migration”. In section 35 he calls for “distributive justice and social justice for the market economy”. And in section 42 he calls for the “large-scale redistribution of wealth on a world-wide scale”. These things all fit in nicely with the goals expressed at Copenhagen. Pope Benedict’s encyclical can be found here: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html
It’s not what is IN Wikileaks we need to focus on, it’s what is NOT in them that’s more important.
IMHO, I agree with those who see it as stage-managed and filtered. I really wouldn’t want to be Assange. Someone has stolen his soul.
On the same general WikiLeaks subject….
“WikiLeaks has lost a major source of revenue after the online payment service provider PayPal cut off its account used to collect donations, saying the website is engaged in illegal activity.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101204/ap_on_hi_te/wikileaks
It’s going to take a while to get all the fraud out on the table.
Does anybody else find it unseemly the way our president and America has behaved pushing what is now known to be a total lie?
It is reported : Because of death threats Julian Assange never sleeps in the same place two days in a row and is constantly on the move from one hiding place to another.
Jenn Oates says:
Popcorn. Forgot to buy popcorn. Must go back to grocery today and buy a big bag. And Diet Coke, lots of it. Heh heh heh.
that is why I came up with aspartame promoted by the same group of people that promote global warming. It is all about controling the people. One why is dumbing down the population so you can tell them every lie like man made global warming. That´s why we need Wikileaks to wake up the people before it´s too late.
robertvdl says:
December 4, 2010 at 2:40 pm
“It is all about controling the people. One why is dumbing down the population […]”
I nearly spilled my Coke Zero over that.
Now maybe i’m dumb but i think i would have noticed if my preferred soft drink would make me believe, say, GISS temperature records… Or does espresso neutralize the effect?
CRS, Dr.P.H. says on December 4, 2010 at 1:55 pm
sic transit gloria? Thusly does the Catholic Church jump the shark.
The scary thing about this is how it appear that virtually all governments world wide are on board with AGW – all the struggling and pushback appears to be over who gets how much, rather than if AGW is even real or not. That is very disconcerting to me. In the USA, pre-Obama, that didn’t seem to be the case and our Congress kept things in check. Now Obama is strongly on board, and doing everything he can to go around Congress and force this on us, as are all too many states.
Wikileaks cabelgate is, no question, espionage and treason (unless those presupposing our gov. actually had a hand in it are right, but I’m doubtful to say the least). To have one nation’s classified internal diplomatic correspondence released publicly while every other nation’s isn’t, is a real travesty and almost certainly bad all the way around. That said, since the information has been released and cat can’t be stuffed back in the bag, I at least hope some good come out of it all.
To me, that would certainly include having the light shown strongly on behind the scenes wheeling and dealing wrt AGW, climate, etc. and even more so any fraud that may be outed too, a la climategate. I very much hope something along these lines comes to light showing major government disbelief in AGW, CAGW, the science involved, IPCC results, and so on.
Meanwhile, I have to say I’m gobsmacked at the very idea that so much widely diverse classified information, albeit mostly low level stuff, could possibly be available to a lowly military person while overseas no less. Makes me want to plan to trip to visit him in jail sometime in the future, just to see if he’s really there or out somewhere under a witness protection type of relocation. Of course, one would never know if some poor smuck was sitting in jail having been set up, except he’s apparently crowing over his success so that’s not too likely. So maybe we’d have to check the financial status of all of his relative to see if some became suddenly inexplicably very wealthy. The whole thing is mindboggling to say the least.
John Cooper says:
December 4, 2010 at 11:55 am
I believe this was originally posted at The Guardian, but from Gateway Pundit: Woah!… Wikileaks Documents Show Obama Administration Used Spying, Threats & Bribes to Get Support for Copenhagen Accord
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No wonder the great community organizer was so full of himself when he first arrived…
…He really did think he had it in the bag
“An ambassador is a man of virtue sent to lie abroad for his country; a news-writer is a man without virtue who lies at home for himself”
Sir Henry Wotton
In this wilileaks business we have both definitions active.
and one from Wotton which applies very much to us here:
“Tell the truth, and so puzzle and confound your adversaries”