Himilayan Melting Glacier Alarm Version 2.0

No mention of the IPCC’s flawed 2035 date, but still many of the same talking points are used. It pays to recycle I suppose. This statement:

“But climate change is still happening and we do need to prepare for it. That’s especially true in this part of the world, where poverty and other concerns make its residents very vulnerable to any change.”

…strikes a chord. I’ll point out that our climate now is different than 100, 200, 500, 1000, and 2000 years ago. Did anybody “prepare for it” then? No, and we all seem to be doing better than ever now as a species. – Anthony

The Himalayas. The IPCC had warned that Himalayan glaciers were receding faster than in any other part of the world and could “disappear altogether by 2035 if not sooner”. Photograph: Wikimedia commons

From the DOE Pacific Northwest National Laboratory News:

Time to prepare for climate change

Himalayan region’s glaciers melting slowly, but impacts still coming

WASHINGTON – Though the massive glaciers of the greater Himalayan region are retreating slowly, development agencies can take steps now to help the region’s communities prepare for the many ways glacier melt is expected to impact their lives, according to a new report. Programs that integrate health, education, the environment and social organizations are needed to adequately address these impacts, the report states.

“The extremely high altitudes and sheer mass of High Asian glaciers mean they couldn’t possibly melt in the next few decades,” said Elizabeth Malone, a Battelle sociologist and the report’s technical lead. “But climate change is still happening and we do need to prepare for it. That’s especially true in this part of the world, where poverty and other concerns make its residents very vulnerable to any change.”

The report, Changing Glaciers and Hydrology in Asia: Addressing Vulnerability to Glacier Melt Impacts, was prepared in collaboration with Battelle and the U.S. Agency for International Development. Battelle operates the Department of Energy’s Pacific Northwest National Laboratory in Richland, Wash. Malone works from the Joint Global Change Research Institute in College Park, Md., a collaboration between PNNL and the University of Maryland.

Malone will join Mary Melnyk, a USAID natural resource management senior advisor, and Kristina Yarrow, a USAID health advisor, to discuss the findings Tuesday at 10 a.m. Eastern time at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, D.C. Geoff Dabelko, director of the Wilson Center’s Environmental Change and Security Program, will moderate the discussion.

The event is open to the public, though RSVPs should be sent to ecsp@wilsoncenter.org. The Wilson Center is located inside the Ronald Reagan Building at 1300 Pennsylvania Ave. Directions are available online at www.wilsoncenter.org/directions. A live webcast will also be hosted at http://www.wilsoncenter.org. The report will be available at the event and posted online at www.usaid.gov.

Vulnerable to change

High Asia is dominated by many steep, dramatic mountain ranges that run through parts of Nepal, Bhutan, Afghanistan, India, China, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and other countries. The region is home to more than 50,000 glaciers that are vital water lifelines to Asia’s largest rivers, including the Yellow, Yangtze, Mekong, Indus and Ganges. Roughly two billion people depend on these rivers for their water and food supply.

Unfortunately, many people who live in High Asia and along the river basins fed by the region’s glaciers already experience malnutrition and food insecurity, insufficient access to clean water and sanitation, and other issues that will be exacerbated by climate change and population growth. The challenge for agencies like USAID is to incorporate climate change into their existing development efforts so that quality of life continues to improve in the developing world.

“This report lays out what are the potential impacts of glacier melt on sectors such as health and agriculture while exploring how USAID programs could respond to the challenges of changing water supplies,” Melnyk said.

More information needed

Although the world’s glaciers have slowly been retreating since 1850 — the end of what climate scientists refer to as the Little Ice Age — those in High Asia haven’t melted as quickly, mostly due to the glaciers’ location in elevations higher and colder than many other glacier systems, the report notes.

But there’s little historical information about High Asian glaciers to predict their future. The data that does exist consists mostly of physical measurements taken at the glaciers’ most accessible spots, their lowest ends. Glaciers are dynamic and routinely grow in some areas while shedding ice in others. The lower segments are more prone to change due to the higher temperatures associated with lower elevations, making the measurements taken there less reliable. Remote sensing technology has allowed researchers to measure glaciers over larger areas in recent years, but there isn’t much historical data to provide a long-term picture.

The report states that many Himalayan glaciers are retreating, especially at lower elevations, but that no region-wide evidence supports the claim that they’re retreating faster than any other location in the world. The report also recommends that scientists collaborate internationally to show the glaciers’ overall ice balance on a regional scale.

Preparing for the future

One of the most pressing near-term impacts that scientists can study are glacier lake outburst floods. Unlike the widespread deluges that some inaccurately fear could follow sudden glacial melting, these floods are due to slow melting and occur on a smaller scale. They typically happen when an advancing glacier dams a river or water builds up behind soil and rocks deposited by a glacier.

Those most affected by the floods are residents of the rural villages close to glaciers. Although the number of people directly impacted can be small, the damage is often extensive.  Glacier lake floods can be so destructive “that people who survive must move and begin to rebuild their lives in other places,” the report notes. More than 25 glacier lake outburst floods have been recorded in Bhutan, Nepal and Tibet since the 1930s and more will likely occur as climate change progresses.

Retreating glaciers can also heighten existing water worries. In the Indus River Basin, for example, glacier melt accounts for about 30 percent of the river’s water supply. Retreating glaciers would lessen the river’s overall flow, but that impact would likely be more dramatic as the region’s population growth increases the demand for water. The Indus River Basin is already home to more than 200 million people, and the region’s high fertility rates mean its population will continue to grow rapidly. As a result, the region’s per capita water availability will decline steeply. The issue is compounded by the large amount of irrigated land there. “The current vulnerabilities will likely worsen with increasing uncertainties related to water supply,” the report notes.

Human health also stands to be affected by climate change in High Asia. Less available water could mean higher pollution levels and increased difficulty obtaining clean water and sanitation “for hundreds of millions in these watersheds,” reads the report. Diarrhea and other diseases linked to biological and chemical contamination are likely, the report notes. Decreased water availability could also cause declining crop yields and food availability, which would worsen existing hunger issues in the region.

Other impacts discussed in the report include increased civil conflict across country borders due to unstable water supplies and declining ecosystem health that further endangers threatened animals and plants.

Many birds with a few stones

Such expected impacts make for a fairly daunting list. But the report makes several suggestions to address multiple issues at once with cross-sectoral development programs.

For example, programs that focus on agriculture, one of the largest water-use activities, could improve water efficiency and help address water scarcity. This approach could increase crop productivity to address hunger and malnutrition, and strengthen local water-user associations to improve governance capabilities.

Another threat to High Asia’s glaciers, soot, can be reduced while also improving local health, the report suggests. The region’s rural residents cook over traditional stoves that burn wood, agricultural waste, dung and other biomass. The stoves are inefficient and release soot, also known as black carbon, and other aerosols. The black carbon travels through the air and can land on glaciers, which then absorb more sunlight and melt faster. People – mostly women and children – living in the homes where the stoves are used are also harmed. They experience respiratory diseases, heart disease, stillbirth, cataracts and more from the indoor air pollution. More than 1.6 million people in the region die each year as a result.

To counteract this, development agencies could work with scientists, health specialists, technology experts and government officials to develop and make accessible cooking stoves that are more efficient and create fewer emissions. The collaborators could also work closely with women to address health issues by offering alternative cooking practices. And scientific organizations could improve observations and models of glacier melt in relation to soot. Such information could be used by local leaders to develop local methods to reduce soot emissions and improve glacier stability.

“Agencies like USAID already have assets and expertise that have advanced the developing world for years,” Malone said. “This report offers a menu of options on how those assets can also be used to address the many issues that will arise from climate change.”


EVENT: “Changing Glaciers and Hydrology in Asia: Developing a Blueprint for Addressing Glacier Melt in the Region,” Elizabeth Malone, Mary Melnyk and Kristina Yarrow. 10 a.m.- 12 noon, Eastern time, Tuesday, Nov. 16, 2010, Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, Ronald Reagan Building , 1300 Pennsylvania Ave., Washington, D.C. http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=events.event_summary&event_id=641631

 

REPORT: “Changing Glaciers and Hydrology in Asia: Addressing Vulnerabilities to Glacier Melt Impacts,” Elizabeth Malone, Mary Melnyk, Kristina Yarrow, Richard Armstrong, Leona D’Agnes, Jessica Ayres, John Gavin, Scott Harding, Ken McNamara, Brian Melchior, Fred Rosenweig, George Taylor, Heather D’Agnes and Rochelle Rainey.  CDM International and TRG collaborated to develop the report.  www.usaid.gov

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November 15, 2010 5:05 pm

Apologies if this has already been stated, but please, someone, save this for the incoming head of the appropriations committee. Whomever the person, it would seem to me, he/she would take exception to us funding such tripe.

ShrNfr
November 15, 2010 5:26 pm

I am practicing my kangling in order to ward off the evil spirits of Al Gore. Sadly, the kangling should be played with the left side of the mouth and I am to used to playing brass instruments from the right side. However I will persevere. With the right application of a damaru at night and a kangling at night the evil of AGW will be sent to the Gore Mansion and never be seen again. Just to make sure, I also got a Tibetan long horn. A bit of Chod and I exorcise the evil spirits of the Gore from the holy mountains. At that time nature will take over like she always has (no matter what I do anyway).

maz2
November 15, 2010 5:26 pm

“Y2Kyoto: We’re Winning
Tremble, all ye who doubt me…
Some top advisors to the President are advising cutting off funding for solar and wind farm construction projects, whereas other advisors warn that pulling money from the program could antagonize powerful allies in Congress and signal failure.
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Phil Nizialek
November 15, 2010 5:29 pm

Does anyone here read the New York Times? America’s “paper of record” yesterday published a 5 page AGW polemic titled, “As Glaciers Melt, Scientists Seek New Data On Rising Seas.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/science/earth/14ice.html?
It makes all the usual predictions by all the usual “scientists” and reports on “startling changes” in the Greenland and Antartic ice sheets that will have billions of humans treading water in their homes in less than 100 years. I look forward to comments.

November 15, 2010 5:30 pm

Given that the Chinese acted as the spokesman for the developing nations at Copenhagen and will no doubt do the same at Cancun, this site offers a translation of a very popular Chinese book which outlines their views on the whole CAGW issue and more importantly how they see it as being essentially a ploy to keep them poor.
http://ourmaninsichuan.wordpress.com/
Pointman

dp
November 15, 2010 5:34 pm

Sounds like these places need cheap energy like coal so they can fire up the engines of economic growth, create jobs and sustainable wealth to provide for themselves today and into their future. We need to stop that before it gets out of hand and the IPCC and Jim Hansen have a plan – no death trains laden with coal for the Himalayan nations!

Philip Finck
November 15, 2010 5:44 pm

So…… written by a sociologist.
Notes no long term data.
No overall long term change noted in higher elevations with what little data they do have.
Lower glacier terminus both retreating and advancing… so no consistency.
No nothing.
But lots of global warming predictions based on what? Nothing.
A total crap article…… in my professional opinion as a geoscientist.

Amino Acids in Meteorites
November 15, 2010 5:52 pm

It pays to recycle I suppose.
LOL!
:o)

Susan Parsons
November 15, 2010 6:22 pm

Very OT but just noticed this:
Climategate scientist Phil Jones regrets emails but stands by global warming conclusions
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/climategate-scientist-phil-jones-regrets-emails-but-stands-by-global-warming-conclusions/story-e6frg8y6-1225954228600

Garry
November 15, 2010 6:31 pm

I’m surprised that no one has mentioned it yet, but the mountain photo above is Mt. Everest center, Lhotse and Lhotse Shar to the right, and the Nuptse Ridge running from the left and along the middle of the photo.

Rational Debate
November 15, 2010 7:26 pm

re: post by Anything is possible says: November 15, 2010 at 3:51 pm

Glaciers ALWAYS melt., it’s what they do. Trying to stop them is futile. If the Himalayan glaciers are indeed retreating, the probable cause is just as likely to be precipitation starvation – which prevents them from replenishing – as it is rising temperatures. Given the widespread de-forestation that has occurred in the Himalayan foothills, depriving the glaciers of a vital source of moisture, why has it not seemingly occurred to anybody involved in these studies that it is this, and NOT rising temperatures due to CO2, which is the cause of the perceived problem?
My take…..
It is not PC to suggest that local problems may caused by the behaviour of impoverished local people, but it is PC to throw actual science out of the window and blame them on the rich industrialised West.

It has occurred to some that the glacial retreat is from local factors in some cases. I know there have been some articles along those lines, and pretty sure some research papers too. Just google: Himalayan glacier de-forestation and you’ll get a lot of returns to play with in this regard.
Meanwhile, I have to partially agree with your final paragraph re PCness. I’m sure there’s a good mix in there of PC issues, “eco-justice” issues, narrow mindedness, ignorance of all the factors involved, $$$ issues, personal bias, etc., all depending on who the researcher(s) happens to be. All of this makes trying to weed thru the cr#p and figure out what is or isn’t reasonable a real pain, not to mention time consuming – for all of the ‘climate science’ research. Some research papers can be tossed out pretty summarily, just from a quick look finding major flaws, but then you still have to find and run thru the zillion other papers on closely related issues to ever get anywhere.

AntonyIndia
November 15, 2010 7:59 pm

Most of the Himalayan water comes from orographic lift of the monsoon clouds: glacier melt is peanuts compared to that. As the height of the Himalayas are not threatened by catastrophic erosion in the next decade, the need for preparation lays elsewhere, in the plains, where political corruption favors incompetence and results in water scarcity on the ground. The US government could help by stopping to subsidies corrupt regimes.

Rational Debate
November 15, 2010 8:05 pm

re post by: Warren in Minnesota says: November 15, 2010 at 2:00 pm

Why is the United State’s Department of Energy working on ice in the Himalayas?

The over seas things that our tax dollars are going to is truly amazing – a lot of stuff makes studying glaciers in the Himalayas look virtually reasonable by comparison. Just a few of the crazy ones I’ve run across articles about in the last couple of years alone:
* $550K for focus groups and interviews of the $ex lives of truck drivers,
* $1.44 MILLION to study male prostitutes in Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi,
* $2 MILLION study promoting condom use among IV drug users in Kazakhstan (not kidding),
* $315K studying possible increase in violence in families after NFL upsets,
* $411K to teach Chinese meditation to cocaine addicts,
* $181K for how cocaine enhances the sex life of Japanese Quail (not native in the US),
* $1.39 MILLION surveying married Tajik migrant workers in Moscow,
* $919K to find that bar fights happen more often in darker dirtier bars frequented by heavy drinking less agreeable people (duh!)…
I’m sure there are tons more.
Research funding is a relatively small part of our federal budget, and sometimes research that sound nuts can actually in fact be quite good or useful – but it really seems some of this has just gotten crazy. It’s especially irritating to me when these large amounts go to fund behavioral research outside our nation – seems to me if they’re going to study some of these things, at least do it on our own population where its probably more relevant, and a heck of a lot cheaper to boot!! Even in the USA a lot of these sorts would be highly questionable use of tax payer funds.

erichk
November 15, 2010 8:10 pm

Ditto several others – a sociologist(??!!) is the technical lead?? What a crock!

Douglas Dc
November 15, 2010 9:39 pm

Used to be a DOE contractor in the 1970’s (Pilot service) I remember flying
Battlelle people around and the the talk was of:Global Cooling! yes, Ice flows in the
sound, the Ice sheet approaching and all that…
No, I have little confidence when the science is propelled and funded by burning
taxpayer’s dollars.

morgo
November 15, 2010 10:54 pm

we all know the sun will burn out and the earth will die .is there any chance that I will get a grant to investergate if cockroaches will survive

Laurence M. Sheehan, PE (LarryOldtimer)
November 15, 2010 11:19 pm

These people need either luggage and transportation, or to hire some qualified engineers and skilled labor and buy some heavy construction equipment.
Change is the only constant, whether weather, climates, or anything else.
No one has been able to see into the future, and I don’t think that will happen any time soon.
A whole lot fewer people who know nothing about science yet attempt to communicate information (or propaganda) about what is science would save taxpayers all over this planet huge sums of money with no downside at all.

Neil Jones
November 15, 2010 10:44 pm

Sociology…isn’t that the science of using long and convoluted sentences to express simple ideas badly?
Should be just what is needed by the pro-AGW mob. Confusion to the enemy.

1DandyTroll
November 15, 2010 11:28 pm

What they really mean when they say “world’s glaciers” is the less then 150 measured by World Glacier Monitoring Services or some such out of an astounding one hundred thousand plus then some glaciers.
How is that representative of the worlds glacier mass? For instance they include eight of Iceland’s puny amount of glaciers and 23 in Norway but only three of Chinas more than thirty thousand glaciers, so it’s really just less then 150 of the about 5000 they know something about out of a hundred thousand glaciers they know virtually nothing about, yet the world’s glaciers are a melting like it’s a catastrophe.
It would be a catastrophe if you were dependent on the fresh water supply from your glacier it was not melting.

Julian Braggins
November 16, 2010 1:40 am

In case this has already been posted before I apologise, but I didn’t spot it in the paper or the posts.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Glaciers_Growing_in_Western_Himalayas.htm
All 230 of them.
Reply: I fixed your link. ~ ctm

Keitho
Editor
November 16, 2010 3:21 am

First of all the area of glaciation is minute when compared to the size of the catchment area of the big Asian rivers. The majority of people who are served by those rivers reside in the lowlands where any variations in glacier melt would be almost unnoticeable.
The real problem I have though is with the passive/aggressive racism in the activities of many of these third world helpers. The Indian civilization has been around for a very long time and is sophisticated in many many ways. There are scientists and engineers and medicos and so on who are world class and innovative yet here we have a group saying “hi , we’re from the west and we are here to help”. Such chutzpah.
I see it here in Africa where NGO’s show up and fiddle about with the native culture, trying to apply some theoretical model they have dreamed up. It invariably fails when the cash runs out or the people lose interest and then back it all goes to the standard local model. Dishing out cash and advice no matter how well meaning never sticks because the locals have their own ideas and aspirations. These western just show up, draw a fat salary, drive SUV’s and live high on the hog. When they are finished a paper is written, the CV fattened and onto the next NGO teat.
IMHO the USAID, Foreign Aid etc. is a waste of money and time as it doesn’t even convince the recipient that the donors are good guys and so should be sided with or even traded with necessarily. If the money was spent on providing education for promising locals that would be a better spend as the 10% who didn’t want to stay in the west after graduating would at least marry local aspirations and needs to their skills. Those staying in the west would obviously benefit the west.
You cannot just bungee in with ideas because people don’t like to be told they are inadequate to the task, or even voodoo scientists. The resentment caused by these experts is beyond measure and ultimately it builds into hatred.

Shibui
November 16, 2010 4:10 am

“Headquartered in Columbus, Ohio, Battelle oversees 20,400 employees in more than 130 locations worldwide, including seven national laboratories which Battelle manages or co-manages for the U.S. Department of Energy and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and two international laboratories—a nuclear energy lab in the United Kingdom and a renewable energy lab in Malaysia”
Battelle is subsidized by the US taxpayer? Do we know why? Is there any accountability here?
pjs

Peter Plail
November 16, 2010 4:39 am

How many times have the high priests of AGW told us that the views of non-climate scientists on these topics are worthless? I suggest we all apply this view to this report by sociologist lead author.

DonS
November 16, 2010 5:20 am

Battelle and its northwest clone are suitable Tea Party targets. The US can no longer afford such expenditures. Let the “two billion” people to be affected by glacier melt devise their own solutions. No reason for a mere 350 million Americans to get involved.

Tim Clark
November 16, 2010 6:51 am

For example, programs that focus on agriculture, one of the largest water-use activities, could improve water efficiency and help address water scarcity. This approach could increase crop productivity to address hunger and malnutrition, and strengthen local water-user associations to improve governance capabilities.
IMO: The only paragraph that makes sense. Also, improved agriculture is the most cost effective response to population increases. But, what India really needs is an alteration of the British quote:
“Let them eat cow.”