Booker: The climate change scare is dying, but do our MPs notice?

The collapse of the warmist position on climate change has not impinged on politicians in Britain or Brussels, says Christopher Booker.

Nothing more poignantly reflects the collapse of the great global warming scare than the decision of the Chicago Carbon Exchange, the largest in the world, to stop trading in “carbon” – buying and selling the right of businesses to continue emitting CO2.

A few years back, when the climate scare was still at its height, and it seemed the world might agree the Copenhagen Treaty and the US Congress might pass a “cap and trade” bill, it was claimed that the Chicago Exchange would be at the centre of a global market worth $10 trillion a year, and that “carbon” would be among the most valuable commodities on earth, worth more per ton than most metals. Today, after the collapse of Copenhagen and the cap and trade bill, the carbon price, at five cents a ton, is as low as it can get without being worthless.

Here in Britain, as the first snows fall, heralding what may be our fourth cold winter in a row, it is time we addressed one of the most glaring political “disconnects” in our sadly misgoverned country.

Complete article at the Telegraph, here

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83 thoughts on “Booker: The climate change scare is dying, but do our MPs notice?

  1. Christopher Booker commands great support. Go read the comments on his article. Along with James Delingpole, he is doing a great job uncovering the scams.

  2. Ha! You dont need to break free from Europe, you are doing great on your own, out-greening Europe at every corner. That, together with the UK’s major role in starting and maintaing the CAGW scare should give the Brits pauze before criticizing ANYBODY else, sorry.

  3. To Doug in Seattle, you can also add:
    “It will be difficult for people to face the truth when their reputations, careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global warming”
    Dr. Philip K. Chapman, Australian NASA Astronautical Engineer, Apollo 14 Mission Scientist and Geophysicist.
    Also,
    “The ‘global warming scare’ is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making.”
    Dr. Harrison H. (Jack) Schmitt, NASA Astronaut-Moonwalker and Geologist.

  4. I live in Scotland and have allocated space and money for an emergency electricity generator to keep lights on and heating going when the lights go out. The Scottish Government is if anything even worse than those down in London. At least the UK government has sanctioned eight nuclear powered power stations in England and Wales as long as they are financed with private capital. The Scottish national government will not build coal, gas, oil or nuclear power stations but will rely on wind, waves and currents. May be a small change at elections next May but I am not expecting much.

  5. The once proud Britain, goes the way of the once proud Rome: Broken, defeated, and overrun, by the once proud, defeated and broken Hun.
    What the Huns could not achieve in war, they now achieve in peace, and without lifting a finger: The Brits defeat themselves almost as if on command …
    All of which proves my saying: What you go out-of-your-way to fight, you will eventually become.

  6. Not just that Doug, but you have to consider that politicians feel very uncomfortable questioning the scientists. It isn’t like the drugs issue, where you can easily argue that societal mores trump empirical truth. Any politician who puts his head above the parapet and declares against is going to be roasted alive by Fenton Communications and their cretinous minions.
    However there is hope. The media are slowly turning. Once they are on side, it will be easier for the politicians to dissemble a change in policy.

  7. The chickens of truth will be coming home to roost very soon. All ready British Gas has announced a 7% hike in it’s tariff at a time when we have a glut of gas on the market. Fuel bills are set to rocket in order to fund even more wind turbines and the abysmal stupidity that will hand over £50,000 a year to farmers for coverning arable land with useless PV junk. PV tech in a country that gets little sun. What the heck are these people smoking?

  8. In the german speaking areas MSM continue to preach AGW and there are hardly any independent opinions to be heard. This may change, when the Cancun summit fails again. Maybe then some journalists begin to wonder and start doing their work.

  9. The ever brilliant John Brignell has coined a couple of descriptions on his excellent Numberwatch – October number of the month. “Ogippes” and “Carbophobia”.
    Read about them here: http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/2010%20October.htm
    Here’s a couple of examples:- “Milliband chose for his Shadow Chancellor not, as expected, one of the Balls family but an amiable ex-postman who is not very good at sums”
    Or this They make this transition from cocoon to cocoon uncontaminated by contact with the defilements of work, survival, industry, science, technology and all the other distractions that plague the toilers in the field of a modern society and economy. Their heads are packed with theories that are untested and untestable. Evidently their syllabus did not include the British tradition of sceptical philosophy stretching from the Bacons to Popper, for they retain a capacity for belief, even in the presence of overwhelming contrary evidence, that transcends all reason.

    Enjoy, then weep.

  10. A brilliant article Mr. Booker full of facts that even the most dedicated global warming supporters cannot argue with. Surely someone in this very supine British government of ours will have to put their head above the parapet soon. But how about a response to the article first from our Energy and Climate Change Secretary, Mr Chris Hurne. I’m sure he must be a reguar reader of WUWT if he wishes to keep and open mind for all sides of the argument. Come on Mr Hurne, if you disagree with what Mr Booker has written then enlighten us with your arguments in support of your case for loading us all with such huge taxes to fund your massive programme for wind farms, solar panels etc. which Mr. Booker argues are useless. And please tell us how our future demand for power is going to be met in the short term.

  11. I think we have to accept that politics lags the real or perceived reality of public opinion by some time. Based on my observations, I think it is in the order of 2 to 3 years. In the same way as political will peaked in 2009 … some 2-3 years after Al Gores movie and the Bali conference, I think, if we assume Copenhagen marked the tipping point the other way, it will be 2011-2012 before we see leading politicians really taking a stand.
    If I was Obama, I would worry about the timing of those video repeats of “…. the spectre of a warming world …”. Its difficult to get out of being so utterly wrong.

  12. It was an attempt by leftist euro and liberal USA, mainly 68’s, with the UNFCCC to radicalize the Western world back to the 50’s or 60’s?

  13. I’ll declare success when the essence of AB32 is trashed in California and the green initiative agenda it is supposed to glorify becomes so, um, yesterday. When that happens I’ll declare California’s population has regained their senses and perhaps some measure of sanity. Right now they are like a child’s cartoon character having foolishly chased a quarry and mistakenly rushed off a cliff- and is not yet falling, because they are unaware they are in such a state. It’s going to be wake-up time soon I think when the realities of the law begin to take a bite.
    Right now my electric company just introduced a new line for “administrative” fees on my bill to pay for the extra people just required to keep track of what AB32 is going to impact. AFAIK, nothing has been actually been set in place with regard to actual hardware yet. These folks have nothing really to do yet except to hold endless internal meetings to decide how much this is eventually going to cost. Wait for the other shoe to drop when they start actual groundbreaking in the desert for PV farms and dismantling the fossil fueled steam plants to reach the goal mandated by AB32.

  14. Doug in Seattle says:
    “The walk back will be slow. Too many egos and too much money.”
    I agree. When was the last time you heard a politician say “oops, sorry I was wrong”? Then consider how many politicians have to say that in order for policy to change. It’ll happen around the same time that an entire squadron of pigs glides over the frozen wastes of hell.

  15. Telegraph picture oddly underscoring Booker. The picture of the happy “dairy” farmer with his big, new solar system in Somerset.
    Reaping a plentiful harvest of subsidies, no doubt.

  16. the australian govt is still in top gear to bring a carbon tax in the blind leading the blind god save australia because the govt will not

  17. The politicians are still going full steam ahead. Skeptics can score hit after hit on the warmists but at the end of the day the important thing is to stop the bad policy, and that doesn’t really seem to be happening.

  18. It would be a good idea to petition the PM via the No. 10 web site. Unfortunately even that democratic measure has been suspended so a petition to repeal the Climate Change Act is impossible. The system is being examined for a report to government by Martha Lane Fox, whoever she is, some e-millionaire I suspect.
    This is how we are now treated in the UK. Government panders to Brussels and ignores the voters.

  19. From Todays Guardian/Observer
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/nov/14/climate-change-science-email-scandal
    “19 Nov Rumours begin to appear on climate change denier blogs that a hacker had obtained emails from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) computers.”
    Nice to see where they stand isn’t it..
    ‘Climate Change Denier blogs’ !
    Have they not learned anything in a year….
    This is so conter productive as the majority of the general public will question this rhetoric, with all of this years revelations (ipcc, etc)
    The Guardian environment team, editors and other activists seem to think everybody else ,thinks like them. They just move in their own very small social and media and activist’s circles, believe their own PR. Which amongst themselves, means ‘denier’ is acceptable and leads to the groupthink that created the 10:10 Campaign ‘No Pressure’ video.
    the Guardian time line…
    what a strange distorted worldview they have (especially the inquiries)
    “19 Nov Rumours begin to appear on climate change denier blogs that a hacker had obtained emails from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) computers.
    20 Nov UEA confirms that emails and documents from CRU have been illegally leaked online.
    23 Nov Climate change deniers call for an inquiry. Articles in the press allege that the leaked emails show that data are being manipulated.
    1 Dec CRU head Professor Phil Jones stands down while an independent inquiry, commissioned by the Royal Society and chaired by Lord Oxburgh, is conducted.
    3 Dec During the UN climate talks in Copenhagen, the Saudi chief negotiator claims the CRU controversy proves climate change is not caused by humans.
    Meanwhile, the UEA commission former civil servant Sir Muir Russell is to chair a separate independent inquiry into the leaks.
    4 Dec Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), says the matter cannot be swept “under the carpet”.
    2010
    14 Apr CRU is cleared of malpractice in Lord Oxburgh’s report.
    7 Jul Sir Muir Russell’s Independent Climate Change Email Review finds that CRU scientists ‘did not withhold evidence’, concluding that ‘their rigour and honesty as scientists are not in doubt’.

  20. The Con-Lib government is to scared or too brainwashed to abolish Labour’s wholesale adoption of the AGW mindset. Chris Huhne, for example, is still totally supportive of carbon trading and carbon capture & storage.
    So far the Coalition has shown some backbone in dealing with Labour’s legacy – the deficit – and they’ve had a good attempt at revising the welfare state and university funding. Now let’s hope they see sense and show the same strength of character and purpose in dealing with the idiocy inherent in carbon markets.

  21. By analogy with other environmentalist scares, Global Warming still has a good 10-20 years to run. It does not matter that the science has been debunked, provided that the political and corporatist aspects of the movement can maintain momentum. Also by analogy, when the end of the movement comes, it will be marked by silence, and treated as a non-event by the establishment.
    2 things made me realise that the current UK government is doomed on environmental issues:
    (a) In the long run-up to the last general election, on the day that Lehmann Brothers failed, precipitating the global “credit crunch”, David Cameron was opening a week-long conference held to show that his party’s government would be “the greenest ever”. Ergo: “green” image more important than the biggest financial and economic crisis since 1929.
    (b) I understand that the UK climate change minister, Tim Yeo, is himself a “green” technology investor, on the board of about 5 “green” technology companies, 2 of which he chairs. This is an egregious conflict of interest; that it is not only tolerated, but encouraged by the prime minister, speaks volumes about the UK government and its patronage of “green” corporates.
    Whether reality will hit the UK government before the next general election, I somehow doubt.

  22. Bernd Felsche says:
    November 14, 2010 at 3:54 am
    “Telegraph picture oddly underscoring Booker. The picture of the happy “dairy” farmer with his big, new solar system in Somerset.
    Reaping a plentiful harvest of subsidies, no doubt.”
    Bernd, the guy is a celebrity in UK, and a millionaire, as he is the founder of the Glastonbury music festival, the biggest festival in the UK. It was started during the hippy days, has multiple stages, music ranges from pop to folk and new age stuff. He’s a kind of figurehead for the hippy/eco movement in the UK. So he was one of the first to hop on the bandwagon when the PV subsidies in the UK started in April 2010, he’s got the millions to buy as big an installation as he likes to.
    He doesn’t depend on his farming.

  23. James Evans says:
    November 14, 2010 at 3:47 am
    quote
    “The walk back will be slow. Too many egos and too much money.”
    I agree. When was the last time you heard a politician say “oops, sorry I was wrong”?
    unquote
    That’s not a politically feasible statement. However ‘the scientists told us lies’ is very feasible. If you are a climate scientist and you have vigorously promulgated the idea of CO2 disaster, be afraid, because a politician in trouble is a politician in need of a scapegoat. My advice would be to put out a few anchors to windward, weasel words like ‘if so-and-so’s study is rigorous’ and ‘while this seems to indicate warming, account must be taken…’ etc etc.
    Good luck, guys. I almost feel sympathy.
    JF

  24. John Peter says:
    November 14, 2010 at 1:45 am
    “The Scottish national government will not build coal, gas, oil or nuclear power stations but will rely on wind, waves and currents.”
    That sounds like complete lunacy. Nobody can run on intermittent power sources without a spinning reserve of hydrocarbon power stations, or alternatively pumped storage, for the time being.
    Oh, i forget – there’s always the whisky by-products…
    “And recently, researchers took samples of whisky distilling by-products as the basis for producing butanol that can be used as fuel.”
    http://www.theecologist.org/how_to_make_a_difference/food_and_gardening/677484/whisky_and_waves_the_future_of_scottish_isles_power.html
    Eternal darkness…

  25. BillyV says:
    November 14, 2010 at 3:44 am
    “Wait for the other shoe to drop when they start actual groundbreaking in the desert for PV farms and dismantling the fossil fueled steam plants to reach the goal mandated by AB32.”
    Actually, the other shoe will drop when California cities experience regular rolling black outs and brown outs. Of course, the ruling class (and climate elites) will find a way to absolve themselves of any responsibility…after all, brown outs are for the little people…

  26. After another year of wind farm construction, including much heralded offshore arrays, a glance at today’s consumption chart reveals the total contribution from wind to be 0.5%, and that we still need to import 5.1% from the French through the interconnector.
    Hydro meanwhile, after a very wet and recently snowy fortnight in Scotland, manages 2.0% plus 1.1% via pumped storage.
    Coal, much of which is scheduled to be closed under EU emission law, and nuclear, much of which is too aged to continue, are currently providing 47% of demand.
    Yet our politicians seem oblivious to these facts, available to all on http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm
    and continue their mindless dash into the fantasy land of renewables, incapable of the thought that with today’s geographically representative spread, doubling the number of turbines would today produce just 1% of demand.
    And why are the press so quiet? Yesterday’s Daily Telegraph carried the answer in the form of an advert for, of all things in this country, Photo Voltaic installations guaranteed by the government to yield £1000 p.a. inflation linked for 25 years.
    Thus through the Carbon Trust Quango our Renewable Obligation taxes are used to subborn the Press and to transfer money from society at large to the Landowners, a group once considered anachronistic but revealed now to be still very much in control of our pockets.
    Bye the bye, my neighbour has just aborted a trip from the Scottish border to Glasgow, having been forced by SNOW to turn back at Harpenden on the M74, the main motorway into Scotland. The ski runs are open at Aviemore. I wager this will not be reported by press or TV as usual.

  27. The markets are starting to have their say:-
    “Clean Energy Poised for Mergers on $400 Billion Slump”
    “Global annual manufacturing capacity for solar panels may reach 23,500 megawatts next year, exceeding demand by almost 40 percent, according to John Hardy, a solar analyst at Gleacher & Co. in Connecticut. Wind turbine makers will increase capacity to 64,200 megawatts, 30 percent more than expected orders, Bloomberg New Energy Finance forecasts.”
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-11-10/clean-energy-poised-for-mergers-on-400-billion-slump.html?campaign_id=europe_related
    Typical outcome of a susbsidised market.

  28. Paul Deacon
    “(b) I understand that the UK climate change minister, Tim Yeo, is himself a “green” technology investor, on the board of about 5 “green” technology companies, 2 of which he chairs. This is an egregious conflict of interest; that it is not only tolerated, but encouraged by the prime minister, speaks volumes about the UK government and its patronage of “green” corporates.”
    I think it would be a good idea if we all tried to research the MPs and pro scientists who have financial interests in green technology companies. All those that are seen to exercise a conflict of interest should be exposed. How do we set about it?

  29. I am sitting back, rather smugly at the moment, having had two very pleasant days in the 60’s (that’s fahrenheit), we are expecting quite a vicious cold snap soon. The woodburning range has been going since mid-October, and all the cooking is being done on it for the winter. The woodburning stove has been on and off in keeping with the ambient temperature, but looking forward to 24 hour burning soon. Plenty of wood in reserve, a tank full of oil should I need the back up central heating, the gas bottles are full (all five of them, at 40 Euros a throw – one lasts between 12 and 18 months), and we have plenty of candles. We are used to the odd power outage because we live out in the sticks.
    I hope you are all equally prepared for a few icy winters, with an increasing reliance on windmills and solar panels instead of REAL generating infrastructure, and that you are able to cope with what the climate throws at you, because sure as eggs is eggs, it ain’t gonna change it’s historically cyclical (and often fickle) ways for you, politicians, “scientists”, Al Gore, etc., etc. Good luck.

  30. Look here for Britain’s Climate Change secretary’s interests:
    Register of members interests
    As you can see, Yeo has received £41,250 from AFC Energy (fuel cell technology developers), £51,749.92 from Eco City Vehicles plc, has a shareholding in AFC Energy and Eco City Vehicles and has a family holding/investment company that I wasn’t prepared to pay £18 to see the accounts thereof :p.
    Potential conflicts of interest, yes. I wonder if ECV or AFC receive any government grants?

  31. It has been interesting reading Chris Huhne’s (UK Minister for Energy and Climate Change) speeches over the last few weeks (see http://www.decc.gov.uk). Climate change barely gets a mention; the justifications being put forward for de-carbonising energy production are increasingly focussed on energy security/independence, and job creation. The save the world rhetoric is quickly becoming extinct. Evidence, were any needed, that, for politicians, this has been a case of policy-based evidence-making: detemine your policy and then find the evidence to support it.

  32. The communists used to say that capitalism would be brought down by a mass of internal contradictions, but it was communism that collapsed under the mass of its own contradictions. A point was reached where everyone, including the most die-hard communists, realised that they just couldn’t carry on under their system for much longer, and that everything had to change and re-connect to the real world again if they were to stand any chance of ever making a better life for themselves and their children. Then the whole system imploded and liberated hundreds of millions of semi-brainwashed slaves from their various oppressive regimes.
    A similar fate awaits the human-hating Eco-fascists running the Climate Change Religion. One day it will all be over for them, and future generations will laugh at us for being so stupid as to believe in their idiotic junk science, and for letting them get away with it for so long.
    The climate change racket relies upon denying access to the main channels of the media to anyone capable of challenging any tenets of the “carbon-dioxide-is-evil” religion, which means, in turn, politicians and regulators can carry on stripping away our freedoms and bleeding us white with “carbon” taxes without being troubled by any awkward questions or ideas that might undermine their sanctimonious self-righteous hypocrisy.
    The truth is that the peak of public acceptance of the climate change religion has passed, so a sort of panic has gripped those with the most to lose when the whole thing blows up.
    One way to extend the life of the global warming fraud is for the authorities and broadcasters to act as if “everyone” believes in it, and anyone who declares that they don’t is either some sort of puppet for “Big Oil” or is just plain mad. That’s the way debate (and therefore change) is suffocated in a so-called “free democracy”. The global warming liars worked out long ago that arguing their case in any open forum and exposing their ridiculous assertions to detailed scientific scrutiny would do them more harm than good. This explains why there is never any debate about AGW between scientists on any national broadcasting network such as the BBC. Even if the BBC wanted such a debate (which they don’t), the global warming liars would never agree to appear on it with any real scientist that disagreed with them. One of the biggest jokes about AGW (well it makes me laugh) is that the global warming fraudsters dress up their statements in “scientific” jargon but when any real scientist challenges them they either ignore it or just resort to their usual tactic of insulting the scientist.
    When will it end?
    When all political support has been destroyed and the taxpayers’ money runs out.

  33. I’m not a betting man – except that I’m betting we get power cuts during the Olympics, because Chris Huhne seems to be totally ignoring the ‘Department of Energy’ part of the so-called ‘Department of Energy and Climate Change’.
    My local supermarket is doing a nice line in 3200W generators for under £150 – 3200W is sufficient to run the average house quite comfortably – so this would seem like a pretty cheap insurance policy.
    On the main point – do you REALLY think that this government, or any other British government, is in the business of saying: ‘You were right, folks – we were duped. This was all just funding-chasing hype’.
    Not a chance – the Japanese are amateurs when it comes to ‘losing face’ alongside British politicians.

  34. For you readers in the UK, understand that with the new Congress, it is now guaranteed that the US is never going to pass any climate restrictions. (the EPA is going to have it’s teeth pulled very soon, also) Thanks to this, neither will China or India, or anybody else outside of Europe.
    What this means is that every extra cost you add by either limiting energy availability or raising it’s price will simply shift your jobs to the US, China, India, or elsewhere. It will do absolutely nothing for the climate; it will simply impoverish your country to no good end. Well, one good end: foolish people and foolish governments deserve to be unemployed and broke. Keeps you from having anything more to squander.

  35. They should be voted out of office because they were willing to support the fraud and put all that was intended on their own people.

  36. I see people making the same mistake – over and over.
    Politicians are not wrong and they are not stupid.
    It’s not a question of being right or wrong.
    It’s not a question of politicians being stupid or ignorant either.
    We need to all get a grip on this.
    They know what they are doing.
    They are using global warming, the economy, etc as a tool,
    to accomplish their goal.
    They know exactly what they are doing……….

  37. Green Sand – so basically, according to the Bloomberg article, all these much-vaunted ‘green’ jobs we were promised are going to go to China….

  38. *****
    BillyV says:
    November 14, 2010 at 3:44 am
    *****
    Hopefully, there will be some budget cutting in Washington, including money to the States. That would hasten Cali’s trip back from the ’60s.

  39. This blog is becoming a hate-fest of any country apart from US (see the German thread).
    But even worse it is becoming a source of conspiracy theories (communism, socialism UN taking over the world).
    Even the madcap theories of Goddard were more sane!
    A sad state of blogging!
    REPLY: Well then don’t visit, nobody’s forcing you. WUWT reports on things people agree and disagree with, I dare say that if I’m not upsetting somebody with some article each day, I’m not doing my job. Get over yourself. – Anthony

  40. Robinson – outside the scope of Members Interests is, for instance, the wind farm which David Cameron’s father-in-law plans to build and therefore, of course, profit from, due to government subsidies…

  41. I guess Booker will not be moving to California. In the comments on Booker’s article, there is a reference to a looong article published in the NYT today. It is a classic scare piece on the melting of Greenland and oceans rising possibly six feet by the end of the century. Someone might want to eviscerate it.

  42. With various countries now postponing, or even abandoning their own ETS, (including Australia – http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad-application/backdown-begins-on-green-mantra/story-fn6bfkm6-1225950242579) I hope that Europe and the UK become increasingly isolated over the issue of carbon trading. It may be that being in such an isolated position is the only way that Brussels and Westminster are likely to terminate such a stupid, greedy and corrupt scheme that is emissions trading. But if those involved can still make money from it, it’s highly likely that such greed will continue under the deceitful guise of ‘green’ government.

  43. Before you can make politicians stop what they’re doing and listen to what you’re saying you must first get their attention. Some do it before Election Day by writing letters or standing on street corners and holding home made signs. Some do it on Election Day by voting for anyone but the person in office. Some very mentally challanged individuals are turned off to voting altogether and stay home and throw their shoes at the tellie. Most have forgotten that a nice strong piece of English, Scottish, or Welsh oak quickly slamed smack between the politician’s eyes does the trick quite well. Remember? Before you can make a mule do what you want them to do, you must first get their attention. However one does it, they won’t stop and listen to you until you get their attention. (c/o ‘FACTS OF LIFE’, PSYC101, Pub. Pre-London, 2010B.C.)

  44. David – anyone with land will be interested in building these things – or covering over 35 acres with solar panels (Chinese made) for a government subsidy. My brother-in-law has 1,000 acres and it wouldn’t surprise me if he gave this a go. However I don’t think Cameron is so lacking in integrity he would pass a multi-billion pound piece of legislation just so his father-in-law can con a few pounds from the exchequer. I don’t believe this counts as a conflict of interest. If it did any relative who had an interest in any government policy, from tax cuts to benefit and pension increases, would count.

  45. Perhaps the reason why the governments in Europe are so enthusiastic about emissions trading is they know they can make money from it, as they have with another long-term corrupt scheme.
    It doesn’t matter to them that setting a floor price (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/8131700/Britains-Power-chiefs-reveal-nuclear-blueprint.html) means the system will be as ineffective, expensive and as corrupt as the other monumental system that’s been in place for decades and which also using price fixing – the Common Agricultural Policy.
    The European ETS is just another form of CAP, but for carbon markets.

  46. My mistake above. Tim Yeo is not Climate Change secretary, he’s Chair of the Energy and Climate Change Select Committee. So you know, no conflict there either!

  47. “that “carbon” would be among the most valuable commodities on earth, worth more per ton than most metals.”
    In 2002 China exported steam coal at $27/tonne. Today it imports steam coal at $116/tonne.
    Iron Ore goes for $160/tonne in China.
    1 tonne of liquid carbon(oil) goes for $560/tonne.(7 barrels per tonne)
    So the projection that carbon would be more valuable them some metals seems correct. The projection that carbon credits would be more valuable was foolish.

  48. Although the general public might not know the extent of scientific research, they do have an instinct for what is or is not the case.
    It was long ago discovered that gravity keeps us from floating around. Yet it seems so obvious, post Newton. If a new consensus said that gravity wasn’t the pull that all objects with mass have, but was the result of only its velocity and a theory was concocted to explain why this was so, I’m sure even the most unscientific mind would consider such a theory to be nonsense.

  49. Anthony, thanks very much for covering the utter collapse of the Chicago Climate Exchange! The Chicago media (Tribune and Sun-Times) lavished praise all over the CCX when it was first formed, and there were numerous stories since.
    Not a peep lately….considering all the big-name Chicago personalities involved (Obama etc.), I’m really surprised.
    This is the best I’ve found thus far:
    http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/publius-forum/2010/11/al-gores-climate-exchange-scheme-utterly-fails-media-ignores-it-all.html

  50. Robinson “However I don’t think Cameron is so lacking in integrity he would pass a multi-billion pound piece of legislation just so his father-in-law can con a few pounds from the exchequer”.
    A few quid? It was reported in a newspaper that he is set to clear £4,000,000!

  51. Julian Flood says:
    November 14, 2010 at 5:15 am
    “That’s not a politically feasible statement. However ‘the scientists told us lies’ is very feasible.”
    Well said. Here is Waxman planting that very seed.

  52. It was interesting to see a picture of Michael Evis with his solar panels heading the article. As a long term Glastonbury fan I recall a very large wind generator being set up next to the main stage in the mid 90s. It was the proud boast that this generator would supply much of the prodigious amounts of energy used by Glasto over it’s four days.
    The following years festival was marked by the absence of the generator. Where had it gone? It’s a mystery, the hoo-ha surrounding it’s erection was sadly missing at it’s departure. However it was good metaphor for the then evolving tales of AGW and Glastonbury UFOs.

  53. Theo Goodwin says:
    November 14, 2010 at 8:21 am
    “[…] It is a classic scare piece on the melting of Greenland and oceans rising possibly six feet by the end of the century.”
    They warm up some old stories in the run-up to Cancun. They have no ammunition left.

  54. As they say out here in the ‘Outback’ ~ GOOD ON YA, ANTHONY!
    I was laughing while reading your honest and forthright rebuke of ‘Waltman’ ~ which led me to wonder (in a conspiratorial way, of course) if his name is really Walt WIT man ~ and then….certainly his chagrin would be keen that we’re waking up ALL OVER THE GLOBE in many key areas, and ‘Yes’ indeed, we are no longer just taking vaunted ‘experts’ views as gospel (thank GOD); and men such as yourself, are shining a bright light in search of Truth ~ doing RESEARCH ~ and finding that we find mostly wealthy climate cockroaches scurrying for cover whilst carrying little signs that proudly identify themselves as socialists, communists, and the like… WELL DONE ANTHONY and THIS AMERICAN who left America and married her Aussie sweetheart, understands that no Nation is the boogyman ~ it’s the Players who have had free reign over this globe LONG ENOUGH. Let’s laugh as we uncover their sad little exploits and truly revel in the fact that their malicious behavior has linked together the best and brightest humans ever assembled, in search of Truth.
    Frankly, I’m proud to read the articles and even more proud, if it were possible, to
    read the great, insightful comments. Oh! Here’s a fun thought that’ll prayerfully give you a grin!
    ALL OF US BEST BEGIN SWITCHING A FEW OF OUR PARADIGMS ~ BEFORE THE COCKROACHES (the Save the Planet-wanna-be-gods, mind you) ROB US SO BLIND THAT WE WON’T BE ABLE TO RUB TWO TOGETHER!
    Get it??? Paradigms??? Pair a Dimes??? Does everyone in the world know what dimes are??? Is it jus’ me ~ a fun ol’ Clint Eastwood-lovin’ American livin’ an’ lovin’
    life pickin’ mulberries on the SA Coast ~ lovin’ humans from all over our (formerly) sneek-soocialist brain-washin’ globe??? hahaha….an’ insofar as your crap propaganda goes…I even STILL smoke cigarettes, and LOVE DOING SO!!! hahaha…Take THAT, You silly fear-mongerin’ warmist-slime-varmints!!! hahaha… so sad, too bad, Walt Man… why don’t cha go watch The View to get your ‘news’??? ‘Cause I LOVE my new friends here at Anthony’s Place.
    Cynthia Lauren Thorpe
    A Larikin’ American – lovin’ EVERYONE on this globe…(sans god-wanna-be’s, of course!) tee~hee…….you Wit-mans, get a grip…hahaha…gosh….change our behavior…hahaha… jus’ who do you think you are…oh, yeah…hahaha…you guys think you’re gods…HAHAHA…get a life, Man…hahaha…oooohhh…laughin’ is GOOD for the soul…

  55. Gareth Phillips says:
    November 14, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    “It was the proud boast that this generator would supply much of the prodigious amounts of energy used by Glasto over it’s four days.”
    Maybe the solar panels work better in the night, with all the light show.

  56. Christopher Booker – Daily Telegraph 13 Nov 2010
    “None of this, of course, will do anything to save Britain from the looming crisis when the ageing nuclear and coal-fired power stations which supply 40 per cent of our current electricity needs are forced to close. The other night when it was very cold I checked to see how much of our electricity was, at that moment, coming from wind. The answer was 0.1 per cent, or a thousandth of all the power we were actually using to keep our homes lit and warm. “

    I pray that Booker is wrong. Excess winter deaths over this last winter in the UK were quite high from what I have read. For some strange reason I cannot find the actual stats for excess winter mortality for the winter of 2009 / 2010. Can someone help?
    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=574
    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/Product.asp?vlnk=10805

  57. Jimbo. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. These elitists march out the underprivileged, putting them on the tellie only for their gain.
    It’s high time the REAL issues are front and center. Rather than collecting data ~ I’m secretary of the Kingston SE, CWA and those older ladies would like NOTHING BETTER than to knit warm doonas, jumpers, etc… for their friends in England.
    If I can help in that way ~ Jimbo, or anyone ~ just ask. There are 30 of them and since they don’t drink fluoridated water (as of yet) they are well over 70 years and FULL OF LIFE AND LOVE. (I’m learnin’ a lot from these feisty country women!)
    Gotta go.
    C.L. Thorpe

  58. Okay. I said I’d do ‘something’, and I have.
    Admittedly, having thousands of CWA-ers knitting dunas, socks, etc… this summer
    would look like that scene from the 3 Amigos ~ “SEW LIKE THE WIND, OLD ONE…!”
    But, while shearing the alpacas with Ian, we tossed the idea around.
    One quick phone call to Adelaide CWA Headquaters and we’re ‘on the go’. We will be
    fund raising CASH to send by Paypal to someone (preferably in perhaps a Salvation Army center, if you guys know of someone) in London, England so that they can purchase warm clothing for those in need.
    If anyone has a contact in England ~ Please forward it on to me. My email address
    is cindylou200228@yahoo.com. The ladies I’ve spoken to are ‘rapt’ to help those in the UK suffering from the cold. It’ll be our PLEASURE, in fact.
    That’s what happens when caring people (with engaged brains) come together.
    Not ‘pie in the sky, by an’ by’ but, honest to goodness – REAL HELP. I’ll keep Watts Up posted on our efforts.
    C.L. Thorpe
    C.L.

  59. Cynthia Lauren Thorpe says: November 14, 2010 at 7:32 pm
    Okay. I said I’d do ‘something’, and I have.
    ——————————————————————————–Cynthia. Well you are certainly a breath of fresh air and a woman of action to boot!
    I like your style – no mess’n with this pistol packin mama! Good for you.
    Regards
    Douglas

  60. Wijnand says: “Ha! You dont need to break free from Europe, you are doing great on your own, out-greening Europe at every corner. That, together with the UK’s major role in starting and maintaing the CAGW scare should give the Brits pauze before criticizing ANYBODY else, sorry.
    Wijnand, you are regretfully too right! I did some research into the development of wind technology and it is quite noticeable that those countries which were the leading flops in wind technology (UK and US) were also the leading “lights” in the global warming scam.
    To put it simply, both countries seem to have an over reliance on “scientists” and have a very low status for engineering. The result is that we have scientists in ivory towers looking at met data with absolutely no idea of the problems of getting that met data.
    I’ve no doubt if CRU had been in Germany or Denmark, first of all it would be seen as a problem of instrumentation and quality of instrumentation rather than plotting upward trends on a spreadsheet, second a lot more money would have been spent by engineers rather than “scientists” and lastly we wouldn’t be here discussing “if global warming had happened”.

  61. OK, so we are planning to depend heavily on solar energy in a country where an integral part of the kit of every well-dressed gentleman is an umbrella.
    Does it strike anyone else that this is clinically insane?

  62. What an embarrassment.
    Surely we want our politicians to act on scientific evidence on scientific issues, rather than on what ignorant ideologues (like Booker) want to see happen? He presents no scientific evidence, of course.
    Suddenly, ‘up to £18 billion a year’, or around 1% of the current UK GDP, is ‘closing down most of our economy’.
    Solar panels are a failure in the UK and will be for another decade, so that means all renewable electricity is a failure. There is also a lull of one year before round 3 wind projects are to be built, therefore all renewable energy is rubbish.
    A few reasonable complaints (like how solar and current biofuels are inappropriate), but otherwise complete dross by a true meister of being a moron.

  63. Now for the real argument !!!
    The FUTILITY of Man-made Climate Control by limiting CO2 emissions
    Just running the numbers: watch

    On average world temperature is ~+15 deg C. This is sustained by the atmospheric Greenhouse Effect ~33 deg C. Without the Greenhouse Effect the planet would be un-inhabitable at ~-18 deg C. The Biosphere and Mankind need the Greenhouse Effect.
    Just running the numbers by translating the agents causing the Greenhouse Effect into degrees centigrade:
    • Greenhouse Effect = ~33.00 deg C
    • Water Vapour accounts for about 95% of the Greenhouse Effect = ~ 31.35 deg C
    • Other Greenhouse Gases GHGs account for 5% = ~1.65 deg C
    • CO2 is 75% of the effect of all accounting for the enhanced effects of Methane, Nitrous Oxide and other GHGs = ~1.24 deg C
    • Most CO2 in the atmosphere is natural, more than ~93%
    • Man-made CO2 is less than 7% of total atmospheric CO2 = ~0.087 deg C
    • the UK contribution to CO2 is 2% equals = 1.74 thousandths deg C
    • the USA contribution to CO2 is ~20% equals = 17.6 thousandths deg C
    So closing all the carbon economies of the Whole World could only ever achieve a virtually undetectable less than -0.09 deg C. How can the Green movement and their supporting politicians think that their remedial actions and draconian taxes are able to limit warming to only + 2.00 deg C?
    So the probability is that any current global warming is not man-made and in any case such warming could be not be influenced by any remedial action taken by mankind however drastic.
    So if the numbers above are even close to the right ballpark, the prospect should be greeted with Unmitigated Joy:
    • concern over CO2 as a man-made pollutant can be discounted.
    • it is not necessary to damage the world’s economy to no purpose.
    • if warming were happening, it would lead to a more benign and healthy climate for all mankind.
    • any extra CO2 is already increasing the fertility and reducing water needs of all plant life and thus enhancing world food production.
    • a warmer climate, within natural variation, would provide a future of greater opportunity and prosperity for human development and much more food for the growing world population. This has been well proven in the past and would now especially benefit the third world.
    Nonetheless, this is not to say that the world should not be seeking more efficient ways of generating its energy, conserving its energy use and stopping damaging its environments. It remains absolutely clear that our planet is vastly damaged by many human activities such as:
    • environmental pollution.
    • over fishing.
    • forest clearance.
    • industrial farming.
    • farming for bio-fuels .
    • and other habitat destruction.
    And there is a real need to wean the world off the continued use of fossil fuels simply on the grounds of:
    • security of supply
    • increasing scarcity
    • rising costs
    • their use as the feedstock for industry rather than simply burning them.
    The French long-term energy strategy with its massive commitment to nuclear power is impressive, (85% of electricity generation). Even if one is concerned about CO2, Nuclear Energy pays off, French electricity prices and CO2 emissions / head are the lowest in the developed world.
    However in the light of the state of the current solar cycle, it seems that there is a real prospect of damaging cooling occurring in the near future for several decades. And as power stations face closure the lights may well go out in the winter 2016 if not before.
    All because CO2 based Catastrophic Man-made Global Warming has become a state sponsored religion.
    And now after “Splattergate” thanks to the 10:10 organisation everyone now knows exactly how they think.

    Splattergate is classic NOBLE CAUSE CORRUPTION. It is probably the most egregious piece of publicity ever produced in the Man-made Global Warming cause. This short film shows doubting schoolchildren being blown up and having their entrails spread over their classmates because they may have been less than enthusiastic about the CAUSE.
    So any misrepresentation is valid in the Cause and any opposition however cogent or well qualified is routinely denigrated, publically ridiculed and as we now see literally terminated.

  64. Both California and the UK are alike in having enacted suicidal anti societal laws. Where they differ is that the Californian’s at least, via the ballot box, were allowed to slip the noose around their own necks.
    Whilst the stage is being set – Feed In Tariffs for Booker’s solar farms, Renewable Obligation Certificates for windfarmers, and the Carbon Reduction Comittment for businesses in general – nothing much will be seen to happen, and people will continue on their merry way. No amount of science or economic arguments are going to change anything anytime soon. People are too stupid so see the incoming collision between this fusilade of carbon taxes and the soon to blow up in their faces sovereign debt. People will do nothing because they haven’t suffered enough. At some point, not too far off, the country will be utterly destroyed. I believe that out of the ruin and deprivation, the nation will be reborn. Fervently opposed to environmentalism and the monstrosity that is the EU, every vestige of this political class will be swept away. A new era will begin. But, it cannot begin until the country is first destroyed.

  65. edmh, you’ve made some horrendous errors in your assumptions there.
    You are doing stuff like confusing an absolute (amount in the atmosphere) with a flux (UK emissions as a proportion of human emissions).
    You’ve also confused the cause of CO2 with its original source. e.g. whilst ~93% of the CO2 molecules (or some other similarly high figure) might be originally from nature (if you could trace them), if humans hadn’t emitted anything then atmospheric CO2 would in fact be about 30% lower. Consider the thought experiment where nature emits 100 bn tons/yr and absorbs 100 bn tons/yr. After 100 years the net change is zero. Now consider a case where humans emit 2% of what nature does, i.e. emissions are now 102 bn tons/yr (and thanks to LCP we can estimate absorption also increases, say by 1bn tons/yr). The proportion of human emissions is low: only 2% of nature. But it is responsible for 100% of the net change over time – this is why human emissions matter (also, the amount in the atmosphere is going up by ~15bn tons/yr. Humans are emitting ~30bn tons/year. It’s clearly us).
    You also make the (very common over here, apparently) mistake of confusing forcings and feedbacks and assuming you can just divide things out like that, which you can’t do in the real world (well, you can… but it has no physical relevance to what would actually happen if you change CO2).
    When you do things properly, using physics, you find that the direct effect of CO2 is to cause about 1 C of direct global warming if you double it in the atmosphere and there are no feedbacks. And hundreds of papers have put together the picture we have of feedbacks, and the overall picture is one of net positive feedbacks pointing to a climate sensitivity of >2 C.

  66. I know it’s ‘late’ to post a comment, but but I promised an update, and I’m REALLY trying to become a ‘woman of my word’ ~ so here it is.
    After my ‘horror’, realizing that there will be honest Englanders facing a cold cold winter with such a lack that they might freeze in the process ~ I offered ‘plain ol’ common sense’ of contacting older friends of mine in our Local, then State, and then ~ prayerfully ~ NATIONAL CWA (Country Women’s Association) here in Australia.
    In my mind’s eye, I could see the CWA sending thousands of blankets, etc… to those who will be suffering in England this coming winter. (Putting LEGS to my heart, as it were.)
    Here’s the result. (Rosilee is the President of CWA for South Australia, p.s.)
    ———–
    Dear Cindy,
    Thank you for your kind thoughts concerning the women in England. Our Association is very involved helping our own area “The South Pacific” and local aborigines. We cannot help everyone.
    England is in a different area to us and they will be getting assistance through their own members.
    Thanks again for your thoughts but you realise where our priorities lie.
    Regards
    Rosalie Crocker
    ———-
    So ~ am I crushed? Dispirited? Annoyed? (Yes. I AM annoyed, but not the other two)
    It just showed me that EVEN CWA has capitulated to a brainless institution which uses its members for its own gain… like endless other ‘institutions’. Can you believe it?
    We’re even STUDYING ENGLAND as a country this year and we won’t be able to send them a doona or a pair of socks to keep warm… DISGUSTING and TYPICAL.
    That’s how ‘climate ——‘ (fill in the blank with whatever new word they want)….
    Climate-ANYTHING is just a ‘means to an end’. It gets us to focus on ‘one hand’ while the other is turning us into ‘bricks in the wall’ (an’ to think that I didn’t even LIKE Pink Floyd! Oh well…!!!)
    I donated $500 toward helping England to ‘cover’ its soon to be really cold, citizens…
    and, now ~ it seems that is mute without the help of others. But, I’m NOT feeling defeated and neither should any of us. God will use each of us to confound (cons being found) the supposedly ‘wise’ of this globe. Apparent setbacks are only temporary.
    I’m a firm believer that intrinsic GOOD will prevail.
    C.L. Thorpe

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