UPDATE! See this new press release: AGU backs away from “climate rapid response team” citing faulty reporting
Gosh. A “Climate rapid response team” from Minnesota? What will they be armed with? Wits and a hockey stick? So far that hasn’t worked out too well. From the Chicago Tribune:
Climate scientists plan campaign against global-warming skeptics
The American Geophysical Union plans to announce Monday that 700 researchers have agreed to speak out on the issue. The effort is a pushback against congressional conservatives who have vowed to kill regulations on greenhouse gas emissions.
Faced with rising political attacks, hundreds of climate scientists are joining a broad campaign to push back against congressional conservatives who have threatened prominent researchers with investigations and vowed to kill regulations to rein in man-made greenhouse gas emissions.
The still-evolving efforts reveal a shift among climate scientists, many of whom have traditionally stayed out of politics and avoided the news media. Many now say they are willing to go toe-to-toe with their critics, some of whom gained new power after the Republicans won control of the House in last Tuesday’s election.
On Monday, the American Geophysical Union, the country’s largest association of climate scientists, plans to announce that 700 climate scientists have agreed to speak out as experts on questions about global warming and the role of man-made air pollution.
Some are prepared to go before what they consider potentially hostile audiences on conservative talk-radio and television shows.
John Abraham of St. Thomas University in Minnesota, who last May wrote a widely disseminated response to climate-change skeptics, is pulling together a “Climate Rapid Response Team,” which so far has more than three dozen leading scientists to defend the consensus on global warming in the scientific community. Some are also pulling together a handbook on the human causes of climate change, which they plan to start sending to U.S. high schools as early as this fall.
“This group feels strongly that science and politics can’t be divorced and that we need to take bold measures to not only communicate science but also to aggressively engage the denialists and politicians who attack climate science and its scientists,” said Scott Mandia, professor of physical sciences at Suffolk County Community College in New York.
“We are taking the fight to them because we are … tired of taking the hits. The notion that truth will prevail is not working. The truth has been out there for the past two decades, and nothing has changed.”
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Heh, that last sentence pretty well sums it up. Read the whole article here.
I find the phrase “climate rapid response team” a bit of an oxymoron. Given the speed of climate change, did they mean “weather response team”? 😉
Well it looks like I and many of my associates be traveling more. When these guys come to your town, demand some equal time to present the skeptic side of the story.
h/t to WUWT Reader “Craig” in tips and notes.
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Associate Professor Email: jpabraham@stthomas.edu Phone: 651-962-5766 Toll Free: (800) 328-6819, Ext. 651-962-5766 Mail OSS101 2115 Summit Ave. St. Paul, MN 55105 Office Location: OSS 107 |
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This is all hot air, theres no way they’ll debate anyone with a modicum of intelligence in AGW science, it’ll be stage managed to make them look good as usual.
I’ve given up on holding my breath as i started turning blue, i’ll file this under ‘another pile of rubbish from the high priest’s of doom’.
LOL, that’s a good one Neela Banerjee! I haven’t laughed that hard in a while.
“Holy Hockeysticks Dr. Abraham. The flat-earthers have dealt a serious blow to us. Whatever shall we do?”
“We will send out the signal to the Climate Response Team. Quick, to the environmentally friendly signal lamp my properly indoctrinated intern.”
“Dr. Abraham, the lamp isn’t putting out enough light. What’s wrong?”
“Well Intern, that is the problem with environmentally friendly signal lamps, they are weak. Like out arguments on AGW.”
“But what will we do????”
“Let me see that dispatch again Intern. Hmmmm…. Yes.”
“What is it Dr. Abraham?”
“A 2nd cousin, thrice removed, of one of the chief advocates for the skeptical viewpoints once worked as an attendent at a gas station. No need to debate, we’ll just label them a shrill for the oil companies.”
“But Dr. Abraham, that link is so weak it might as well not exist.”
“I see it’s time for re-education for you, Intern.”
Oh wait, this is the same John Abraham who failed to respond to Monckton’s rebuttal? Ah, I see we have nothing to worry about then. These people still don’t have a grasp of where the truth of the matter lies, much less how to present it. Until they learn that the truth is nuanced and not absolute in this matter of climate change, they’ll continue to look the fools as they take their well-choreographed, hollywoodized presentations and fail to respond to criticism.
P.S. My apologies to the “Batman” fans out there.
Tenuc says:
November 8, 2010 at 7:13 am
Steve Jones says:
November 8, 2010 at 3:41 am
“…And Newton’s Laws are still good enough to get men to the moon….and back. Which must have come as a great comfort to those stranded in Apollo 13…”
Just a pity these ‘laws’ stop working at galactic distances, but come to that neither do Einstein’s!
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So what works out there inside the dark and deep galactic empire? hockey shticks maybe? or have these been sucked up by a black hole, causing galactic freezing?
“John Abraham panics, apparently he and the AGU are forming a “Climate rapid response team””
I know were “Climate rapid respons team”s can be useful. Serving FOIA requests !!!
Brave Sir John Abraham of St. Thomas and his “Climate Rapid Response Team,”.
People who lack a well and correctly formed individuality, being conceited because of a wrong education received from their parents, usually seek the protection of the group, of a bigger body, of society, so they tend to be inclined to a political environment where they can be protected by “big daddy”=government and “big mommy”=society, they run away and fear the most free expressing individuals and individualities. Their eagerness to “return to the womb” it is so extreme a necessity, that they will do anything to reach such protection; that is the origin of fanaticism and it is obviously the cradle of “liberalism”, which thus becomes a contradiction in itself as its members desperately seek not to be freed but to remain protected from what they consider a hostile environment. So, everyone which does not show the same characteristics of them becomes an evil person or group, a menace to their security, and being such, they MUST be sent where they can make no harm on them, if possible to “special camps” or better to make them disappear ASAP.
DirkH – hysterical ! Ha ha ha! I laughed out loud, really did.
Am not so worried about the depth of the challenge, just that they seem (as newly minted PhD’s?) to be scattered amongst those august and venerable institutions such as St Thomas University in Minnesota and Suffolk County Community College. They’re invested in this story and will be taking in their unsuspecting students with their fanaticism.
Where does all this disparaging comment come from? Do you people not read? The evidence is out there, based on research from all over the world. But if you don’t want to accept the evidence revealed in the research, come with me to the Canadian north in any season, monitor any watershed in North America, and observe the increasing number of severe weather events in your own backyards. We are already living with a new normal which threatens the survival of civilization as we know it.
I’d put more faith in the John Abraham who sacks quarterbacks for the Atlanta Falcons.
So…there is not any “conspiracy” at all, but a tacit agreement among weak individuals, who are afraid of being left alone in the middle of a, for them, “hostile environment” where they are fearfully surrounded by “bad kids” who are wishing them bad.
Fu*** em all!
For the Truth;
In the present day, scientists are far beyond Your level of intelligence – they would be the last people to ever be fooled by a conspiracy to establish one world government or whatever You dim-wits believe their motivation is.
Compare their achivements with Yours and develop some respect. Not everybody is motivated by base greed and ignorance like You are.>>
Well since you don’t know what my level of intelligence, or anyone else’s on this blog, or even that of the scientists, you can’t actually say who is more intelligent and who is less. On the other hand, I’m intelligent enough, and have sufficient technical background, to read many PhD level papers (part of my job) and the level of “science” in many many many climate papers is very weak, poorly reasoned, and based on faulty methods. So, having confirmed that I DO have the intelligence and education to in fact converse with the scientists on this and other topics, I conclude that it is you who stand in awe of the magic dressed up as science and decides to believe it because “they” are so much smarter. Not often someone jumps into a blog and tacitly admits their inability to understand the subject matter based on their intelligence level. Congrats.
You may want to study that history you read again by the way. The “intelligentsia” is the FIRST segment of society to be fooled. They are known as “useful idiots” by those who manipulate them. As for their motivation, you might want to read up on Maslo’s Hierarchy of Needs. I recall that food and shelter are the top two? In modern language that would be read as… enough money to buy food and enough money to buy shelter.
Never mind, you just proclaimed your awe of scientists operating at planes of existance that you yourself can’t achieve and so assume that the rest of us can’t either. Don’t bother. You’ll not understand it any more than the history you claim to have read.
Hunter says:
So a professor of engineering from a very small school knows more than climatologists like Lindzen, Pielke, Sr., Curry, etc.?
Yep. And do they intend to take this fight all the way… Really? Are they going to go on, say, Mark Levin’s show, or better yet Rush’s show? I mean, if you’re going to fight, you’re sooner or later going to have to slay the dragon!
For the Truth says:
November 8, 2010 at 3:04 am
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Thanks for providing this forum with such a clear datum. Your post is an eloquent depiction of the very heart of those who are saving the world from mankind. It is an invaluable piece of information in understanding the true nature of the AGW debate.
The main stream media which have articles on this announcement refer to the ClimateGate investigations as having cleared all scientists of any wrong doing and validated the “science” involved. Most of the main stream media are just co-conspirators in the phony political climate fear campaign.
From the AGU web site: “AGU membership encompasses more than 58,000 individuals from over 135 countries.” Wow, 700 members out of 58,000! That’s more than one percent!
I have been captivated by the number 7 in this story. Seven is a mystical number of great importance; from the 7 headed hydra, the whore of babylon (And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth), 7 deadly sins, the pharohs dream of seven lean years, the archangels seven trumpets that herald the apocalypse, the magnificent seven, seven brides for seven brothers, etc.
The most relevant of these myths must be the magnificent 7, or more correctly, the magnificent 700, riding out to protect the defenceless from the predations of the rapacious denialists. The story will not end as the 700 may wish. In the Clint Eastwood movie ‘High plains drifter,’ Eastwood persuaded a gullible population to defend their remote town by taking armed positions on the rooftops ready to take the marauding bandits by surprise. The poor fools were no match for skilled gunmen and they were all shot down like birds in a cage.
Instead of marauding bandits, enter one Lord Monckton. Like Eastwood’s townsfolk, these gullible 700 will be ovewhelmed. Overwhelmed by the sheer ferocity of climate facts, and that will be the end of them.
Those warmists that know the science are the ones who know enough to avoid debating it.
Advocacy and science should not mix in the way that it does today. If unpoliticized climate science results were to show that certain gases increasing in concentration due to anthropogenic activities have a radiative forcing effect that will result in warming and other climate changes, then fine. They should report their results to policy-makers and other stakeholders and that should be the end of it. As soon as they THEMSELVES get into advocacy, then a culture develops within that biases the research, frightens contrarians, and directs the interpretation of results toward the dominant paradigm. I am not sure if there is such thing as unpoliticized climate science today. This is neither good for science, nor society.
For the Truth says
“In the present day, scientists are far beyond Your level of intelligence – they would be the last people to ever be fooled by a conspiracy to establish one world government or whatever You dim-wits believe their motivation is. ”
Sorry – I’ve worked with scientists in “pure” research situations and they may have a high level of intelligence but they suffer the same flaws as thre rest of us mere mortals. Hubris, greed and intolerance. I’ve seen Phd’s go ballistic because his lab was 15 square feet smaller than a peer. I’ve seen a chemist try to remove the stopper from a flask of acid by heating it. And while many are dedicated to their craft, they have to compete to perform their work.
Besides which, if you are really looking for truth, you’re going to have carry your lantern further than just the inconvenient pages of Gore, Cameron, Hansen et al.
It is the sceptics who police the official (nominal) climate researchers and their (nominal) research.
That they would run a campaign against sceptics is analogous to criminals and felons launching a campaign against the police and the courts
Ad hominem and appeal to authority.
Not much else to consider in your comment.
Klaatu Berada Niktu!!!!
Remember how awful it was when Moncton sued Abraham. How dare he show his face after loosing, paying $100,000,000,000 to the Viscount and apologising, naked, on the steps of the House of Lords.