A Lazy Rainy Metadata Sunday

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Guest post by Steven Mosher

I’m feeling lazy today, after a few months of writing code around the metadata question, I have a post to write up about 230 land stations that are located in the ocean. But, I’m feeling lazy today, tired from doing basic quality checks on the data the “team” uses routinely and hopeful that NCDC will answer my mails about the corrections I think need to be made.

As we approach the anniversary of Climategate, with our book well stocked in the remainder bin and it’s pages lining bird cages in the offices at UEA,  I’m going to donate some excerpts to the WUWT community. Thanks for all your support. Thank you more for your criticism. And thank you to Anthony for hosting people with different views.

Steve McIntyre’s recent series of posts on Dr. Jones seminal 1990 paper on UHI, brought back to the foreground a comment made in the mails by Kevin Trenberth that seem particularly applicable to my current work on checking the accuracy of metadata in GHCN. And Judith Curry’s recent posts on climate science “dogma”, a term I don’t think is helpful to address the issues at hand, brought up the variety of methods that the “Team” either used or contemplating using in response to data requests from McIntyre and others. “We can say they are lazy.”

The issue, as Tom and I wrote in the book, is not the science. The mere fact that some small group of scientists expressed less than wholesome ideas about sharing data, the mere fact that they cast aspersions on those requesting the data or thought about casting aspersions, does not in and of itself establish or refute any scientific fact. The world is still warming, despite their all too human behavior. Unfortunately, the public seems less inclined to have the same high regard they once had for climate scientists. The Minnesota satirists have yanked the team off their pedestal and there is no answer to that form of humor. That first laugh was the last laugh. And no, this

does not count as humor despite the pedigree of the writers. You do not answer the satire of midwesterners with self parody.

As we review the statements of the team below, I need to add this: It is neither fruitful to make too much of the comments or to brush them aside as inconsequential. They don’t change the science, but they do show that some would do well to examine their attitudes and beliefs, especially their attitudes towards citizens who want to check the numbers for themselves.

Excerpt from Climategate: the Crutape letters

Climate Audit again is on the radar of Phil Jones of CRU and Kevin Trenberth of UCAR. Ben Santer, a former CRU employee, is also alarmed at what is transpiring. Inspired by McIntyre’s work, Doug Keenan is reviewing the Jones 1990 case and notices some discrepancies in the work of Jones’ co author Wang, a scientist from China. Construing Wang’s work as academic fraud, (a charge later dismissed by Wang’s university), Keenan starts writing letters to Jones. The case is more interesting for the attitudes and preconceptions it reveals about Jones, Trenberth and others than it is about the questionable work of Wang. Trenberth on April 21 to Jones:

I am sure you know that this is not about the science. It is an attack to undermine the science in some way.  In that regard I don’t think you can ignore it all, as Mike suggests as one option, but the response should try to somehow label these guys and lazy and incompetent and unable to do the huge amount of work it takes to construct such a database.  Indeed technology and data handling capabilities have evolved and not everything was saved.  So my feeble suggestion is to indeed cast aspersions on their motives and throw in some counter rhetoric.  Labeling them as lazy with nothing better to do seems like a good thing to do.  How about “I tried to get some data from McIntyre from his 1990 paper, but I was unable because he doesn’t have such a paper because he has not done any constructive work!” :

There is no evidence at all that McIntyre has ever wanted to ‘undermine the science.’ He’s really just asking for the tools to do what they should have done themselves—check their numbers.

Rather than answer Keenan’s rather minor issue (which the university will eventually do), Trenberth suggests a personal attack, suggests impugning their motives. Rather than provide the data, Trenberth suggests a false attack on the abilities of those requesting the data. Ironically, the community reading on the internet has far more capability as a whole than Jones at managing large datasets and documents. Many of the engineers, scientists and academics that regularly visit Climate Audit could give lessons on the subject. Trenberth’s attack on McIntyre and his readers is reminiscent of the early attacks on bloggers by the mainstream media who tried to label them as “pajamas media.” What Trenberth failed to realize is that they were an army of Davids ready to tackle that large database work and in the end provide detailed documentation that NOAA would actually request for its own papers.

Mann weighs in with his views and he politicizes the problem and fails to understand that the story has a life of its own, independent of politics and the Main Stream Media:

So they are simply hoping to blow this up to something that looks like a legitimate controversy. The last thing you want to do is help them by feeding the fire.  Best thing is to ignore them completely. They no longer have their friends in power here in the U.S., and the media has become entirely unsympathetic to the rants of the contrarians at least in the U.S.–the Wall Street Journal editorial page are about the only place they can broadcast their disinformation

Jones also explains some of the confusion about the actual sources of the data. In CRU FOIA responses, CRU has argued that they should not have to supply the data they used because it is available from GHCN and NCAR. Jones reveals that this is not the case:

As for the other request, I don’t have the information on the sources of all the sites used in the CRUTEM3 database. We are adding in new datasets regularly (all of NZ from Jim Renwick recently) , but we don’t keep a source code for each station. Almost all sites have multiple sources and only a few sites have single sources. I know things roughly by country and could reconstruct it, but it would take a while.  GHCN and NCAR don’t have source codes either. It does all come from the NMSs – well mostly, but some from scientists.

As has been pointed out earlier, the construction of a global temperature index is largely a book keeping job. Yet Jones seems singularly ill-equipped to keep a handle on the data or accurate records of where data comes from. His breezy assertion that he ‘could probably reconstruct’ the database record could not be more sharply in contrast to McIntyre’s style—or accepted best practice in data handling and management circles. McIntyre’s work in the mining industry auditing reports is focused on the issue of provenance.

Santer’s solution to this “problem” of Climate Audit readers request for data is not a careful exposition of what data sources were used but rather this, from April 25th:

I looked at some of the stuff on the Climate Audit web site. I’d really like to talk to a few of these “Auditors” in a dark alley.

Jones’s best thought at clearing up this confusion in data sources and data provenance is to deliberately confuse the matter more. He writes:

Ben,

Thanks for the thoughts. I’m in Geneva at the moment, so have a bit of time to think. Possibly I’ll get the raw data from GHCN and do some work to replace our adjusted data with these, then make the Raw (i.e. as transmitted by the NMSs). This will annoy them more, so may inflame the situation.

Reviewing the ideas the scientists have for dealing with data requests we have the following: Lie about the dedication and work habits of the requester, ignore requests, beat requesters up in a dark alley, and deliberately confuse the provenance of the data. Later they will add obstruction of the FOIA process to their bags of tricks, demonstrating that they should never in the future be trusted with data that is fundamental to our understanding of the climate. Releasing the data and letting the “auditors” discredit themselves never occurs to them.

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Grumpy old Man
November 7, 2010 2:04 pm

“Best thing is to ignore them completely. They no longer have their friends in power here in the U.S.”
Prof, Mann has just learnt that what goes around, comes around. The hornets are disturbed and Prof, Mann could well be badly stung.

November 7, 2010 2:07 pm

Steve.
I’ve actually just got round to buying your book. A bit late but it is as relevant now as it was a year ago.
I agree: it’s the fact that many different viewpoints are allowed here at WUWT that makes this site so special.
A Very Merry Climategate Day to you all!

Michael
November 7, 2010 2:18 pm

If you are thinking nothing will get better with the change in leadership in our country, you are right. But ask yourself, WHY nothing will get better? First you have to understand it is inevitable because the systems logical conclusion is to end up in an economic and societal collapse.
Political parties are irreverent due to the automatic nature of our Hamiltonian monetary model. There is nothing that will improve our lot in life unless the current model is thrown in the dustbin of history. The Jeffersonian model used for more than 100 years prior to 1913 worked so well, we even built the US capitol building without a dime of income tax. We had no income tax, an IRS, or the Federal Reserve before 1913.
It is our monetary system that drives all political agendas and is responsible for the demise of our once great nation. I urge you to watch the following series of lessons for a more in depth explanation of HOW our current system works. Our system is reaching it’s logical conclusion and you can’t fix what is broken if you don’t know how it operates in the first place. This is a 6 part series and I urge you to take the time to view and think.
You can view this whole body of work on this Youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/councilonsper

Philip Thomas
November 7, 2010 2:19 pm

“The issue … is not the science.”
“The world is still warming…”
“Unfortunately, the public seems less inclined to have the same high regard they once had for climate scientists.”
I think your book was written as damage limitation for the AGW movement.

Mindbuilder
November 7, 2010 2:23 pm

[QUOTE]It is neither fruitful to make too much of the comments or to brush them aside as inconsequential. They don’t change the science[/QUOTE]
But they do change the science. When the entire climate science community defends the attempt to “hide the decline”, then no evidence they bring, except that which can be easily independently verified, can have any weight. The kind of evidence used in climate science is to easy to manipulate to get the answer the researcher wants.

pwl
November 7, 2010 2:30 pm

“An account of an experiment or observation should give the reader all the information required to carry out exactly the same procedure and observe the same outcome. This is clearly a severe constraint on the type of knowledge considered acceptable to science. As every scientist knows, this regulative principle both limits and empowers the concept of an empirical scientific ‘fact’.” – Real Science, What It Is and What It Means, J. Ziman, Page 99. Cambridge, 2000.

O'Geary
November 7, 2010 2:36 pm

“The world is still warming, despite their all too human behavior.”
I’m afraid that seems like all too begging the question.

jorgekafkazar
November 7, 2010 2:37 pm

Oy.

Mailman
November 7, 2010 2:52 pm

So how can we over come issues like this?
To me, the answer is simple. Maje it mandatory for all papers being submitted for publication etc to have all the data used in that paper archived and made available for public scrutiny, this of course would include the raw ab’s subsequent adjusted data.
Only then will issues like what we are seeing now go away.
Mailman

John Cooper
November 7, 2010 3:09 pm

Anybody going to post the news about the Chicago Climate Exchange closing?
REPLY: yes, in last week’s news here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/26/us-carbon-trading-not-worth-a-plug-nickel/

Richard K
November 7, 2010 3:12 pm

At what point does everyone say “The emperior has no cloths” and everyone sees it?

Frank K.
November 7, 2010 3:45 pm

“I looked at some of the stuff on the Climate Audit web site. I’d really like to talk to a few of these “Auditors” in a dark alley.”
This cements my impression that Ben Santer is an immature punk…

November 7, 2010 3:45 pm

a post to write up about 230 land stations that are located in the ocean
Just another Climate Science day… let me guess…
Maybe it would be simpler to hire a moving crew?
Change Datums for the coordinate system?
Change the satellite software?
Give “Harry” new instructions….
Take out the “sanity checks” in your gridding program!
OK I give up — what’s the answer…

Fred Cale
November 7, 2010 3:48 pm

[snip – this comment may be misconstrued ~mod]

James Allison
November 7, 2010 3:51 pm

Quotes from The Team per this Post by Steve Mosher
label these guys and lazy and incompetent, cast aspersions on their motives, Best thing is to ignore them completely, I’d really like to talk to a few of these “Auditors” in a dark alley, I’ll get the raw data from GHCN and do some work to replace our adjusted data with these, then make the Raw (i.e. as transmitted by the NMSs). This will annoy them more, so may inflame the situation.
As J Goebbels said “It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion.”
The Team obviously agreed with Goebbels and worked hard to achieve this goal by dispersing disinformation and casting aspersions etc however like all people having dishonest intent they got caught out.

November 7, 2010 4:02 pm

Just to say I’ve sold 3 more copies in the last 48 hours.
If you are a UK / Europe resident then it’s available on amazon.co.uk
or you can order direct from self at pf.smp@dial.pipex.com
Philip Foster UK publisher.

Tenuc
November 7, 2010 4:08 pm

I’m sorry Mosh, but I don’t think your rebuke of the IPCC climategate cabal of so called scientists goes far enough. I’m in agreement with this:-
“Reviewing the ideas the scientists have for dealing with data requests we have the following: Lie about the dedication and work habits of the requester, ignore requests, beat requesters up in a dark alley, and deliberately confuse the provenance of the data. Later they will add obstruction of the FOIA process to their bags of tricks, demonstrating that they should never in the future be trusted with data that is fundamental to our understanding of the climate. Releasing the data and letting the “auditors” discredit themselves never occurs to them.”
However, you forgot to mention the Harry file which shows the data used to show global warming wasn’t fit for purpose in the first place. Indeed it was so poor that Jones was willing to destroy the data, rather than have it scrutinise by an independent auditor.
In view of this, I think your assumption that the science was good, even though the scientific methods employed were bad just doesn’t hold water. Even the Met Office Hadley Centre has doubts about the old data set and are spending lots of money to construct a new data-set using raw data and a transparent peer review process.
Once the new data-set has been constructed, and the correct adjustments made for UHI and poorly sited stations, it will be interesting to see just how much the globe has warmed. I find it interesting that there has been no statistically significant warming for the last 15 years, despite a continued increase to CO2.

pat
November 7, 2010 4:12 pm

and the attacks keep coming!
[snip – see main page of WUWT]

DCC
November 7, 2010 4:43 pm

The Chicago Tribune article on the AGU planning to get into politics contains a blatant lie that appears to have come from the AGU.
“Climate-change skeptics argued that the sniping in some e-mails showed that scientists suppressed research by skeptics and manipulated data. Five independent panels subsequently cleared the researchers involved and validated the science.”
It’s impossible to validate a science through an investigation of e-mails. These same clowns still think that Mann’s hockey-stick math was approved by several investigations.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-climate-scientists-20101108,0,3784003.story
I am sickened by the actions of both the AGU and the American Physical Society.

trbixler
November 7, 2010 5:32 pm

So far I have not seen any proposal of how the data set should be constructed and archived. This is, in my opinion, the starting point of understanding the data. It is almost as if that task is in itself beyond the range of any of the individuals working on the data. While I have mentioned the concept of version control, which works for programs, it does not address the issue of the data and its structure. I have been recently working in the area of accounting for financial transactions and for them I do not allow any modification of the original transactional data. Only more transactions that can change the net result. Each new transaction references the original with date/time stamp reason and by who. In my mind each data point is a transaction that is archived in a database. Currently a description of those transactions is lacking. Certainly the date/time stamp of the data,date time of acquisition of the data, the data, the location and source are part of the original transaction. Any thoughts?

November 7, 2010 5:37 pm

Steven,
With all due respect, the Earth has warmed by 0.7C since 1850. It has done this through three upwaves and two down, with the upwaves adding slightly more heat than the downwaves cool. And that’s assuming everything is hunky dory with the temperature datasets.
There’s every indication that bang on cue, we’re into another downwave. All other things being equal, this downwave will reverse the heating we have seen by about 0.2C. So we will have warmed a total of about 0.5C in ~180 years and by that time CO2 concentrations will be ~420ppm.
And bear in mind, this isn’t taking into consideration the quiet sun, or the likelihood of enhanced volcanic activity. I’m failing to see why we should be concerned about this.
I don’t know if you’ve read chiefios posting Got Wood?. What I took out from this is that the stable levels of CO2 that we see in the ice-core records represents the starvation level of plants, i.e. below that and plants start dying which then release CO2 to keep the rest of the vegetation alive, which then sucks out that CO2 from the air.
So even if we say that humans are responsible for all of the CO2 increase in the atmosphere (and even this is up for debate), all we are guilty of is releasing it quicker than Nature can absorb it.
We see that vegetation has increased by 6% in the last twenty years (we only know this because satellites only started measuring it since then), and the major “cause” of that is being put down to all the extra CO2. Eventually Nature will catch up (look at vegetation in the SouthWestern Sahara advancing at 4.5km per year) and we’ll reach a point where despite us adding CO2 to the atmosphere, the levels will stop rising. Without any other intervention on our part.
Surely given this, we should be focusing on things like helping the BRICs sequester or more completely burn soot and other nasties, sanitation, water and electricity for the least developed nations, and stop wasting our time guilt-tripping Westerners for enjoying the fruits of their hard labour, No?

Doug in Seattle
November 7, 2010 5:58 pm

Steve is right that the emails don’t invalidate the science.
What they do show however is that scientists with political connections and clout will abuse their positions of trust to prevent errors and bad/sloppy science from being exposed.

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