Prop 23 "suspend global warming law" fails in California

Regarding Brad says:
November 3, 2010 at 9:05 am
Dave-
“The hippies and stoners voted against Prop 19 – they want to keep pot illiegal so they don’t have to pay taxes on it.”
Brad I do not think so, prop 25 allowed a 25 Sq’ personal patch, and even taxed the price would not have risen, but show me your study that says you are correct.

Good luck with eveything, CA. Fire and brimstone would be worse.

The comments by Arnold Schwarzenegger are telling. He told they crowd that “California beat Texas”, but by what measure? In the census, California has not won. By one estimate, Texas will gain 4 seats, while California loses 1. We will have to wait for the official count, but even if California keeps 53 seats, Texas has not lost.

Steve says:
November 3, 2010 at 12:27 am
Mass exodus of business & citizens me thinks?
….Or it would be copy and pasted to every State…

As a Brit, I’m happy to see a little politics here.
It is after all in the remit of the site topics and maybe some others aren’t interested in international politics, I for one am. It’s damned important for the whole World!
Sorry Anthony but I think you’d better accelerate plans for a move. Texas looks good to me.
Best regards.
DaveE.

“”””” Steve says:
November 3, 2010 at 11:57 am
Here’s a link to AB 32′s actual plan: http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/scopingplan/scopingplan.htm
And a summary of the various elements: http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cleanenergy/clean_fs2.htm
What businesses are being driven out of California? Increased energy costs is a burden on the consumer, it doesn’t drive away energy producers. Note that the energy restrictions apply to imports as well. “””””
I would think that the Commerce clause of the US Constitution; would trump any California messing with imports.
Oh I forgot; we don’t pay any heed to such guidelines

“”””” Brad says:
November 3, 2010 at 9:04 am
Unfortunately this blog seems to be deteiorating – from a science based blog to another right wing blog like the horrendous Gateway Pundit! “””””
I have found the most perfect website on the whole internet:-
http://www.google.com
That will take you anywhere you want to go Brad; so good luck on finding something more your style.
[REPLY – I would add that all points of view are welcome here provided that blog policy is upheld. (We do not guarantee that any/all will agree!) Actually, that’s kind of the definition of “liberal”, is it not? Well, it used to be, anyway. Whatever happened with that? ~ Evan]

“”””” Steve says:
November 3, 2010 at 11:57 am
If someone could point me to a link that details businesses actually hurt by the “early actions” of AB 32 already in place, it would be a great help. I know of businesses that have been helped – they are getting state dollars! But hurt… I haven’t seen details for a single one. Are people referring to an exodus of consumers who don’t like the high cost of living in California? OK, I can see that. “””””
Well T.J. Rodgers; the CEO of Cyprus Semi-Conductor; and a major factor in Sun Power Systems said just yesterday that AB-32 will result in the exodus of his business from California. As of now he won’t be building any more fabs in California; and he is about down to just Engineering jobs; and he can go anywhere and hire good people to do those jobs.
MOST pf the creative businesses in California, can move to any place on earth they want to and not miss a beat.
Carly Fiorina, who was chastised for “laying off” 30,000 HP workers (so they say) apparently chose to not say why she did that.
Something like 15k to 17 k of those were actually workers for Compaq Computer; a Texas company competitor of HP, that Carly bought out; thereby getting rid of one of HP’s competitors; they weren’t California jobs anyway.
And the export of the rest of those jobs to the far east mostly; but also other States; came largely as a result of Californioa’s anti-business environment. I think I already explained that even in California, corporations do not pay taxes to anybody for any reason. And her prime directive was to grow the profits for HP investors; which along the way supports the jobs of the remaining employees.
You can’t employ anybody if you go belly up; I know I’ve been there.

“It costs a company lots of money to pull-up roots and move, a decision not to be taken lightly. The majority of these jobs and companies will never come back. The last part tells the story we as a small business deal with every day.” — source unknown
The following is a list that was recently sent to me. I suspect it is fairly accurate, but have not verified these. — Roger Sowell
JOBS LEAVING CALIFORNIA
Abraxis Health, a unit of Los Angeles-based Abraxis BioScience Inc, opened a new plant that will create 200 jobs in 2010 — in Phoenix. This follows the company’s Phoenixexpansions that occurred in 2007 and 2008.
Alza Corp. In 2007 eliminated about 600 jobs in drug R&D while also exiting its Mountain View, Calif., HQ. At the time the company said that its 1,200-person Vacaville facility will continue to operate. But the Vacaville Reporter on Oct. 23, 2009 revealed that the plant is being offered for sale by J&J, its parent company. It’s unclear if more layoffs are in the facility’s future.
American AVK, a producer of fire hydrants and other water-related products, moved from Fresno to Minden, Nevada.
American Racing moved its auto-wheel production to Mexico, ending most of its 47-year operation in California.
Apple Computer has expanded in other states, most recently with a $1 billion facility planned for North Carolina.
Audix Corporation relocated from Redwood City, Calif., and to accommodate growth moved to a 78,000-square-foot facility in Wilson, Oregon.
Apria Healthcare Group of Lake Forest is shifting jobs from California to Overland Park, Kansas, a K.C. Suburb.
Assurant Inc. Cut 325 jobs in Orange County and consolidated positions in Georgia, Ohio and South Carolina.
Automobile Club of Southern California placed 1,100 jobs in Texas.
Barefoot Motors, a small “green” manufacturer, moved from Sonoma and will grow inAshland, Oregon.
Bazz Houston Co., Located in Garden Grove, has slowly been building a workforce of about 35 people in Tijuana. In early 2010 the company said it expects to move more jobs toMexico, citing cost and regulatory difficulties in Southern California.
Beckman Coulter, a biomedical test equipment manufacturer headquartered in Brea, relocated part of its Palo Alto facilities to Indianapolis, Indiana, two years ago. In early 2010, it’s making a multimillion-dollar investment to expand and create up to 100 new jobs inIndiana. The company said the area offers a “favorable business environment and lower total cost of operations, plus a local work force with strong skills in both engineering and manufacturing.”
Bild Industries Inc., which specializes in business news, directories and market reports, moved to Post Falls, Idaho, from Van Nuys, a part of the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles.
Bill Miller Engineering, Ltd., suffering under the “hostile business climate” in Californiaand Los Angeles County, moved from Harbor City to Carson City, Nevada.
BMC Select has conducted an unusual relocation. The company, which had shifted its headquarters from Idaho to San Francisco, relocated its H.Q. Back to Boise in January 2010. The building materials distributor said that regaining its footing in Boise retained access to high-quality employees while reducing wage and occupancy costs.
BPI Labs, which formulates, manufactures, and fills personal care products for the health and beauty industry, relocated from Sacramento to Evanston, Wyoming, a move the company’s owner called “very successful . . . It felt good and we�ve never looked back.
Buck Knives after 62 years in San Diego moved to Post Falls, Idaho.
CalPortland Cement has announced in late 2009 closure of its Riverside County plant because of new environmental regulations from a state law (AB 32). The company’s CEO wrote, “A cement plant cannot be picked up and moved, but the next new plant probably won�t be built in California meaning more good, high paying manufacturing jobs will be lost to Nevada or China or somewhere.”
California Casualty Group left San Mateo for Colorado, cutting operating costs to remain competitive.
CalStar Products Inc., headquartered in Newark, Calif., in the San Francisco Bay Area, in January 2010 was awarded $2.44 million in federal clean energy tax credits. The company said in the future it expects to build additional plants in the Mississippi Valley and the East Coast. In late 2009 CalStar opened a plant in Caledonia, Wisconsin.
Checks-To-Go moved to Utah where workers’ comp rates helped make the troubled company healthier.
Chivaroli & Associates, a healthcare-related insurance service based in Westlake Village,Calif., moved a regional office to Spokane, Washington.
CoreSite, A Carlyle Company, is delaying a Santa Clara project while it expands its data center in Reston, Virginia.
Creators Syndicate may flee L.A. because it operates like a Banana Republic.
Creel Printing Left Costa Mesa for Las Vegas and So Cal loses 60 more jobs.
Dassault Falcon looked at building an aircraft services facility in Riverside County but instead located in Reno.
DaVita Inc., moved its HQ from Los Angeles to Denver; expects to see millions of dollars in savings over time.
Dennys Corp., the large restaurant chain once had its headquarters in La Mirada, later in Irvine, Calif, and then moved to Spartanburg, South Carolina. In fairness, I note the move occurred in the early 1990’s. However it’s noteworthy because the company was founded in California and its growth over time created HQ jobs in another state.
Digital Domain, the Academy-Award-winning visual effects studio based in Venice, Calif, placed new studios in Vancouver, British Columbia, and Port St. Lucie, Florida, which combined will have about 500 employees. The facilities will allow the company to reduce costs while continuing to deliver cutting-edge work.
Ditech, headquartered in Costa Mesa, announced in January 2010 a 269-job cut and is moving most activities to the GMAC Financial Services (parent company) headquarters in Fort Washington, Pennsylvania. In 2007, Ditech relocated some workers from Costa Mesa toPhoenix. A once robust Costa Mesa facility employing hundreds will be down to 20 or 30 workers.
DuPont Fabros Technology suspended a $270 million Santa Clara data center project in favor of one in Ashburn, Virginia.
eBay, based in San Jose, will create 450 jobs in Draper, Utah, in a new $334 million operations, customer support and data center.
EDMO Distributors, Inc., a world-wide wholesaler of aircraft avionics, test equipment, and pilot supplies, moved its HQ from Valencia, Calif., to Spokane Valley, Wash. Since, it has built a larger headquarters in the city’s Mirabeau Point community complex.
Edwards Lifesciences based in Irvine will expand with 1,000 employees not in California but in Draper, Utah.
EMRISE Corp. completed its HQ move from Rancho Cucamonga to Eatontown, NJ, in May 2009. The company said the move “will result in additional annualized cost savings of approximately $1 million and facilitate improvements in operating efficiency”. . . . The cost savings associated with relocating our corporate headquarters will start immediately. . . The aggregate total of these expense reductions will increase our profitability and cash flow in this and succeeding years and, over time, substantially improve our ability to further reduce our long term debt.
Facebook, based in Palo Alto, will expand in a major way in Oregon by locating a custom data center in Prineville. It will be a 147,000-square-foot facility costing $180 million and will employ 200 workers during construction and another 35 full-time once operating in 2011.
FallLine Corporation Left Huntington Beach, where they were being “hammered” with multiple governmental regulatory fees, for Reno, Nevada.
Fidelity National Financial left Santa Barbara for Florida, spurred by California’s “oppressive” business environment.
First American Corp., based in Santa Ana, will open a call center in March 2010 not in California but in Phoenix, where it expects to employ about 400 people within two years.
Fluor Corp. moved its global headquarters from Aliso Viejo to Irving, Texas, with about 100 employees asked to relocate while the company planned to hire the same number there. In 2006, when Fluor moved into its new headquarters building, a company statement said: “The official dedication had a decidedly Texas theme” as a horseshoe was raised on the building, a time-honored Texas tradition. NEWSALERT – LAST I HEARD, WHEN I WORKED ON A JOINT PROJECT WITH THEM, THEY ARE NOW PLANNING TO LEAVE ALISO VIEJO AS WELL.
Foxconn Electronics, a large contract electronics maker, moved some of its Fullerton operations to Dallas.
Fox Family moved its farming operations to Cookeville, TN. All employees moved with the firm.
Fuel System Solutions moved its headquarters from Santa Ana to New York.
Gregg Industries, owned by Neenah Enterprises Inc., in Wisconsin, closed a 300-employee foundry in El Monte foundry under pressure from the South Coast Air Quality Management District to make $5 million in upgrades. The company didn�t want to make the investment in the difficult economic climate so it decided instead to leave the state.
Helix Wind Inc. may move its research and development, engineering, and testing departments from San Diego to “more supportive” Oregon.
Hewlett-Packard, HQ’d in Palo Alto, at various times has moved jobs to Tennessee and Texas.
Hilton Hotels Corp. in 2009 is moving from its longtime corporate H.Q. in Beverly Hills to a new office in Tysons Corner, Virginia.
Hino Motor Manufacturing USA moved from California to Williamstown, West Virginia, in 2007, where it now employs about 100 workers. The company has growth plans to “Raise Hino�s presence from medium-heavy/heavy-duty trucks to all ranges of trucks” and an aggressive program to improve fuel economy and emissions. The company builds trucks under its own brand and also manufactures Toyota-branded vehicles.
Intel Corporation, HQ�d in Santa Clara, has chosen to expand operations in neighboring states
Intuit of Mountain View created a customer support office (110 people) not in Californiabut in Colorado because of lower operating costs.
Intuit placed a data center near Quincy, Washington.
Intuit also located Innovative Merchant Solutions LLC in Las Vegas as part of a $1.8 million investment in Nevada.
J.C. Penney closed it Sacramento call center and moved the work to five out-of-state centers.
Kimmie Candy Co., a manufacturer that was started in 1999, moved from Sacramento to Nevada in 2005. “I really don’t have a lot of regrets about moving up to Reno,” said owner Joe Dutra.
Klaussner Home Furnishings in closing its La Mirada manufacturing plant will maintain its NC and Iowa operations.
Knight Protective Industries moved to Oregon “where 4-day work weeks were permitted by the state” and wanted by the employees.
Kulicke & Soffa Industries Inc. announced in February 2010 that it is closing its Irvineplant, laying off 56 people, and will shift the work to Malaysia and Singapore. The facility had been owned by Orthodyne Electronics Corp., which Kulicke & Soffa bought in 2008.
LCF Enterprises, which makes specialized high-end amplifiers used by researchers, medical professionals and others, moved from Camarillo, Calif., to Post Falls, Idaho.
Lennox Hearth Products Inc., in Orange, Calif., will lay off 71 workers and by March 2010 will transfer the jobs to Nashville and Union City, Tennessee, “to reduce costs and increase operating efficiencies.”
Lyn-Tron, Inc., a supplier of electronic hardware, moved from Los Angeles to Spokane, Wash. Their website has a rather California(ish) statement: “Our commitment is to maintain a manufacturing environment that is progressive and safe, where our employees are able to achieve their personal objectives, thereby adding to their quality of life and to the community in which they live.”
Mariah Power, a “green” manufacturer of small wind turbines, moved from California toNevada and in 2009 teamed up with another company to begin production in Manistee,Michigan.
Maxwell America, a boating equipment maker, in February 2010 closed its Santa Ana offices and moved them to Hanover, Md. One reason given was the indirect impact ofCalifornia environmental regulations. A company official said over the years many Californiaboat builders relocated to the Midwest and East where they don’t face the same restrictions.
MiaSolé, based in the Silicon Valley, was reported in January 2010 to be planning a 500,000-square-foot plant, which could be one of the largest solar factories in the United States. The location is not near its in Santa Clara headquarters but in the Atlanta, Georgia, area where its workforce eventually could exceed 1,000. The news came one week after MiaSolé received $101.8 million in federal tax credits.
MotorVac Technologies announced in February 2010 that it’s leaving Santa Ana forOntario, Canada. MotorVac’s CEO said he “really fought hard to keep MotorVac here, but unfortunately the numbers didn�t support it. “The move cuts costs because it’s new owner, UView, has its own plant with excess capacity in Canada. And the general cost of doing business in California is much more expensive.
Nissan North America moved its Los Angeles headquarters to Nashville, Tenn.
Northrop Grumman by 2011 will relocate its Los Angeles H.Q. to the Washington, DCmetro area. It’s the last major aerospace company to leave Southern California, the birthplace of the aerospace industry.
One2Believe, a specialty religious-toy maker, left California for East Aurora, New York.
Patmont Motor Werks, Inc., (GoPed manufacturer), after being hit by California regulators for hundreds of thousands of dollars in small fines even though his company has a stellar safety record, moved to Nevada.
Paragon Relocation Resources moved from Rancho Santa Margarita to Irving, Texas.
Pixel Magic, headquartered in Toluca Lake, Calif., (Los Angeles metro area), is locating a studio in Lafayette, Louisiana, where it will create 40 new jobs between 2010 and 2013. The company, which provides digital effects for motion pictures and television, said the Louisianapeople they were in contact with have an immediate understanding of technology and data handling.
Plastic Model Engineering, Inc., a custom plastic injection molder and mold manufacturer, moved from Sylmar, Calif., to the “Inland Northwest,” notably Post Falls,Idaho.
Precor will stop manufacturing fitness machines in California and re-open in North Carolina.
Premier Inc.,the largest healthcare alliance in the nation, will move its HQ from San Diego to Charlotte, involving an investment of $17.7 million and adding 300 jobs in North Carolina. The announcement was made Oct. 14, 2009.
Pro Cal of South Gate, in Los Angeles County, a unit of Myers Industries, expanded itsSparks, Nev., operations to become the company�s primary West Coast production and distribution facility. Pro Cal is a plastics manufacturer of nursery containers and a big recycler.
Race Track Chaplaincy of America started 2010 by shifting its headquarters from Los Angeles to Lexington, Kentucky. The non-profit group said it had wanted to relocate from the Hollywood Park Race Track for several reasons, one of which is the significant cost of doing business on the West Coast.
Red Truck Fire & Safety Company left Fresno for Minden, Nevada in 2007 because of California�s myriad fees and regulations that meant “death by thousand cuts.”
SAIC will move its headquarters east, from San Diego to McLean, Virgina, which the Washington Post called “Another Coup for Area.” The announcement was made Sept. 24, 2009; it is unclear how many employees will move east in 2009 and 2010.
Scale Computing, a data-storage developer and manufacturer, is leaving Silicon Valley for Indiana.
Schott Solar Inc. will close its sales and customer service office in Roseville and will relocate the office to Albuquerque, NM.
SimpleTech transferred its manufacturing work from Santa Ana to Asia more than a year ago.
Smiley Industries, an aerospace manufacturer, moved to Phoenix, where productivity improved.
Solaicx, based in the Silicon Valley, said in early 2010 that it will expand its manufacturing plant in Portland, Oregon. Solaicx received $18.2 million in federal tax credits as part of Washington’s efforts to advance green energy.
SolarWorld, a maker of solar technology founded in Camarillo, consolidated manufacturing in Oregon after that state offered property tax abatement and business energy tax credits. The company will employ about 1,000 in Oregon by 2011
Special Devices Inc., brought 250 jobs to Mesa, Arizona, from Moorpark, Calif.
StarKist headquarters is leaving San Francisco for Pittsburgh, Pa. (Pelosi’s Husband’s Company)
Stasis Engineering moved from Sonoma County to West Virginia, a “friendlier business climate.”
Stata Corp., which specializes in data analysis and statistical software, moved from Santa Monica, California to College Station, Texas.
Tapmatic, a metalworking firm whose owners were “fed up with the onerous business environment,” moved from Orange County, California to Post Falls in northern Idaho.
Teledesic moved to Washington state in anticipation of better capital gains.
Telmar Network Technology Inc., moved from Irvine to Plano, Texas, consolidating some 150 workers there.
Terremark postponed a Santa Clara project earlier this year to invest $50 million in a Culpeper, Va., project.
Terumo Cardiovascular Systems is moving R&D from Orange County to Ann Arbor,Michigan, involving 65 jobs and $3.5 million in investments.
Toyota will stop making cars in Fremont, will idle 4,700 workers, and move work toCanada and San Antonio, Texas.
True Games Interactive Inc., will its H.Q. from Irvine to Austin, Texas, where it expects to have about 60 workers by the middle of 2010.
TTM Technologies will leave L.A. & Hayward and move to other states and China to achieve big cost savings.
Twentieth Century Props of L.A. has gone out of business as film-making has moved to lower-cost states
Understand.com moved from the San Francisco Bay Area to Reno, a loss for California in that the company is a leader in web-based patient education content and shows strong growth. The company was named 2007 Innovator of the Year by a Northern publication and the company’s founder and received a media and Reno-Tahoe Young Professionals Network 20 Under 40 award and was selected as a 20/20 Business Visionary by Nevada Business Magazine.
US Airways is realigning operations and California is no longer considered part of its “core.” The airline is closing its John Wayne Airport maintenance station and in early 2010 will redistribute the mechanics across its system.
US Press shifted work from Los Angeles and San Diego to Portland, “where union rules were almost rational.”
USAA Insurance closed its 625-person Sacramento campus in favor of other states.
Yahoo opened a data center in Quincy, Washington, a community that now hopes to land high-tech manufacturing.

Maybe some of the CA businesses planning to move to TX can spread the wealth to some of the other states with even lower taxes. Try some of the other states where a $1,000,000 CA house won’t even get built because its 900 ft^2 is smaller than a walk-in closet in a $150,000 house in a lot of the South. And, the annual property tax on it is measured in $100’s, not $10,000’s.

“Unfortunately, the citizens of California then move to places like Colorado and start electing the same kinds of idiots that made them leave their old state.”
but Bern… the people leaving leave because of the politics. It’s a distillation process, the repubs leave and the dims (and apathetics) stay.
I’m thinking Pagosa Springs is looking better and better. I’d have to get used to that white stuff though.

@ur momisugly Steve,
“The goal regarding “effect on the California economy” would be to show a track of California’s GDP over the years and calculate how that would have looked without AB 32. Saying AB 32 results in a net business/job loss does not actually show that AB 32 actually did that. It is rhetoric, and without some hard backup it isn’t compelling enough for me to admit that it’s true. Kinda like global warming.:
AB 32’s full effects have not yet occurred, as the law has dozens of aspects, each of which phase in by different degrees at different times. As of this writing, little of AB 32 has actually “kicked in.” The escalation of renewable power plants is one such aspect, with the requirement of 20 percent renewable electricity by 12/31/2010. There are a few others, known as “early action items.” Cap-and-trade, for example, begins in 2012 and will be fully phased in by 2020.
The businesses that have left already did so for a variety of reasons, all of which are well-known in California, and presumably known elsewhere. The list of reasons that California is an anti-business state includes high real estate prices, high electric power prices, high taxes or all kinds, high workers’ compensation insurance, high legal fees and people who sue over the smallest harm, uneducated high school graduates who require expensive on-the-job remedial education and training, extremely burdensome state and local regulations, meddlesome regulatory authorities, and one of the most important: high employee attrition due to young men and women who get a job in California, meet, mate, and want to raise a family but find the cost of a detached home is beyond their means. These people quit and move to more enticing areas, taking their skills and training with them.
AB 32 is known to increase a number of those items just listed: electric power prices, cost of a new home, taxes or tax-substitutes in the form of cap-and-trade, more layers of regulators who will audit, inspect, and meddle, among others. Until the federal government adopted the California vehicle mileage standards, AB 32 would have also increased the cost of buying a new car. The cost of cars is going up, but it will now do no good to buy in another state, as the mileage standards are nationwide.
It doesn’t take much in the way of intelligence to realize that AB 32 will make the business environment worse, much worse than it is presently. Unless, of course, one’s business is making or selling any of the products or services mandated by AB 32. Solar panels come to mind.
I hope this helps.