Guest post by Barry Woods, London.
According to the newspapers a ‘cabal of sceptics’ and ‘dinosaurs’ descended on London on Climate Fools Day. I actually attended the Climate Fools Day meeting in the House of Commons on 27th October 2010, unlike the mainstream media who stayed away.
In the UK, a few politicians are just realizing that in 5 years time (around the time of the next election) about one third of the UK power stations will be FORCED to close to meet strict new European Union Pollution (CO2 emissions) rules.
One of these politicians is Graham Stringer MP, he is on the Science and Technology Committee in the House of Commons, his concern is for the poor. It is perhaps now dawning on some other backbench MP’s that ‘keeping the lights’ on, may be more important than ‘saving the planet’ in 50 – 100 years time, to the majority of general public that actually vote for them.
So who are the Climate Fools?
According to Climate Sense they were the 620 UK Members of Parliament from across all political parties that in 2008 voted for the Climate Change Act that committed the UK to 80% reductions in CO2 emissions by 2050. The UK was the first country in the world and remains the only country to commit to this level of reductions, which has had massive implications to energy policy and investment in energy production in the UK.
Only 4 MP’s voted against the Act, only one MP Peter Lilley queried the costs:
“Neither Parliament nor most of the media bothered to discuss the cost of one of the most immense projects ever adopted in this country”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7746126.stm
As the bill was passed, it was brought to the attention of the House of Commons that for the first time in over 73 years snow was falling in October in London.
Thus, on the 2nd anniversary of the 2008 Climate Change Act, there were two events in the UK Houses of Parliament that were of interest to ‘climate sceptics’, ‘climate heretics’, ‘lukewarmers’ ‘climate deniers’ and ‘climate dinosaurs’ alike. Climate Fools Day and the Science & Technology Select Committee (including Graham Stringer MP) were interviewing Acton, Davies and Sir Muir Russell about some of the discrepancies of the various UK Climategate inquiries.
According to Jens Robdrup, the founder of Climate Sense and the Reverend Philip Foster, the intention of Climate Fools Day (sponsored by Graham Stringer MP, Sammy Wilson MP) was the launch of a campaign to lobby the politicians with the intent to repeal the Climate Change Act.
As no single UK politician, at the time of voting or since has ANY real idea of how to actually achieve the UK and EU targets for CO2 emissions.
The Climate Sense group is made up of Copenhagen Climate Challenge,
http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/
, Weather Action http://www.weatheraction.com
and the Campaign Against Carbon Capitalism
,who previously sent the Copenhagen Challenge to the UN and recently to Prince Charles on the behalf of climate sceptics. The challenge asked the UN and the Prince, who has accused sceptics of “peddling pseudo science”, to prove climate change is happening and is signed by 166 scientists. (including Anthony Watts, Bob Carter, Vincent Gray, Richard Lindzen, Nils-Axel Morner, Ian Plimer, Fred Singer and David Bellamy)
http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64
My thoughts of the Climate Fools Meeting
It was a small enthusiastic, slightly eccentric looking meeting of about 70 people – aimed at persuading MP’s of the folly of the Climate Change Act, (they needed a bigger room than originally planned) Graham Stringer was not there, still busy with the outcome of the morning’s select committee meeting, but according to the Telegraph and the organizers he is now a climate sceptic MP.
Graham Capper: Copenhagen Climate Challenge – acted as the chair
Jens Robdrup: Founder of Climate Sense
Discussed Denmark’s experience with Green Wind farm technology, spoke first describing the Danish experience with wind farms. Talking about the highest energy bills in Europe, massive costs, subsidies and failure of energy policy and that all the promised green jobs seemed to have been created in China.
Revd Philip Foster – Climate Sense – A retired English vicar.
He is author of “While the Earth Endures: Creation Cosmology and Climate Change”
(he is also the UK publisher of – Climategate: the CRUtape Letters)
He spoke enthusiastically and confidently about the earth’s previous climate, and how current temperatures were neither unprecedented nor dangerous. He had read the morning headlines
Guardian: Cabal of climate sceptics to descend on UK parliament
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/oct/25/climate-fools-day-sceptics-parliament
Telegraph: Climate sceptics launch campaign to overturn green targets
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8088204/Climate-sceptics-launch-campaign-to-overturn-green-targets.html
Telegraph: “These guys are a remnant group of dinosaurs trying to argue something while frankly the public and political debate has moved on.” from Bob Ward, Policy and Communicatios Director, Grantham Institute.
Revd Philip Foster started with
“Fellow dinosaurs, deniars, flat-earthers we are here today to encourage the Member’s of Parliament to repeal the Climate Change Act”.
He spoke well and confidentally, I imagine 30 years in the pulpit gives very good public speaking skills. He talked about past climate, demonstrating that the climate today was neither unprecedented or a concern.
Revd Philip Foster finished with:
“Belief and Trust is for GOD, Scepticism is for Scientists”
Piers Corbyn: astrophysicist, founder and director of Weather Action long range forecasting
Piers spoke about how the Sun drove the earth’s weather and climate not CO2, he gave a good presentation in front of a receptive audience. He receives a very bad press from the CAGW http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/sep/21/climate-sceptics-evidence-gullible ‘consensus’ media as he is all to easily described by them as a ‘climate denying’ eccentric scientist, (with appropriate hair) but the fact is Weather Action http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.asp?p=wact5
seems to outperform the ‘warmist’ UK Met Office medium and long term weather forecasting, the UK Met Office no longer actively promotes their seasonal forecasts, such was the public and press laughter at their recent ‘barbecue summer’ and ‘wet and mild’ winter predictions.
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/3/5/met-office-to-scrap-seasonal-forecasts.html
Piers demonstrated in his presentation that the IPCC computer model predictions/scenarios for temperatures were higher than actual temperatures in the 21st century.
Peter Gill: Physicist
He described how CO2 has had a bad press, neither toxic nor a pollutant. He covered issues like different definitions of CO2 ‘residence time’, actual amounts of anthropogenic CO2 vs biomass and oceans. The fact that the IPCC have a preference for low ice core figures for the amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, against over 90,000 historic direct measurements of percentages of CO2 in the atmosphere.
One interesting point of discussion was if the IPCC’s definition of CO2 residence time was correct, where had all the anthropogenic CO2 gone. He argues that the “variability of emissions and absorption by natural processes exceeds current anthropogenic emissions.”
Christopher Booker: Veteran Sunday Telegraph Columnist
(author: The Real Global Warming Scandal)
Spoke against the burdensome costs of renewables, including wind farms and solar in the UK and the Costs of the Climate Change Bill, 18.4 billion a year until 2050. He also spoke about the coming Energy gap in the UK, due to the coming closure (2015) of power stations due to the EU CO2 Emissions regulations.
His articles below best describe his presentation.
Renewables will add £880 a year to bills
The Thanet wind farm will milk us for billions
Britain’s Energy Policy is in crisis
Christopher Booker went into a detailed analysis about the craziness and vast cost and subsidies of the dash to wind farm technologies in the UK. He gave a convincing case that the dash to green technology would be ruinous for the UK economy. His fellow journalist James Delingpole, summarized the costs of the Climate Change act, in his Climate Fools Day blog article.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100060540/happy-climate-fools-day
Sammy Wilson (DUP MP): Former Northern Ireland Environment Minister
Sammy was the MP that sponsored the meeting, and thanked everyone for attending.
He told some anecdotes of his time as Environment minister in Northern Ireland, including his experience when he refused to allow the now notorious ‘Bedtime Stories’ TV Ad, to be shown in Northern Ireland, this was withdrawn in the rest of the UK following 900 complaints to ASA (they stopped accepting complaints after 900)http://www.asa.org.uk/Complaints-and-ASA-action/Adjudications/2010/3/Department-of-Energy-and-Climate-Change/TF_ADJ_48225.aspx
ACTONCO2 “Bedtime Stories” TV advertisement, October 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&hl=en-GB&v=w62gsctP2gc
This TV ad was part of the Department of Energy and Climate Change’s, £6 million campaign – Act On CO2, which in the run up to Copenhagen, features a small child being told a bedtime story about the CO2 monster, including drowning cartoon puppies.
I know nothing about Northern Ireland politicians, but I applaud him for that act of political rebellion. Sammy also said he refused to sign up pledges on emission cuts in Northern Ireland, for the very pragmatic political reason, that he would be criticized for failing to meet the pledge, as no one had any idea how to practically achieve them. He explained this with a smile, which probably explains why he is no longer the NI Environment Minister. Sammy came across as a friendly lively Member of Parliament, who I think the backbench MP’s may start to listen to.
John O Sullivan: Climate Realists
Gave a short speech and presented a $10,000 cheque to Piers Corbyn, from a US publisher Stairway Press ( US publisher of A J Montford’s – The Hockey Stick Illusion) They had chosen the Climate Fools Day to present the inaugural Ernst-Georg Beck Award, this was not directly a part of Climate Fools Day, see Climate Realists for the detail.
Dr Ian Strangeways: expert in meteorological thermometry
In the final minutes, reiterated the basic greenhouse physics of a doubling of CO2 levels ( ie an increase of 1.0C + or – 0.5C, his main interest is instrumentation, error skewing results in the temperature data sets and issues like thermometer shrinkage causing an increase in readings over time in the historic datasets.
Both Piers Corbyn and Peter Gill gave their presentations at a Climate Fools Day conference at Imperial College the following day, with the BBC’s Roger Harrabin attending.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/climate_fools_day/print.html
How was Climate Fools day perceived in Parliament?
The meeting had run out of time for a Q & A session, though a hearty debate continued in the corridors of parliament, before a large group went off to the nearest pub.
Two of the invited Members of Parliament failed to turn up, possibly these more prominent MP’s in the declared ‘green’ coalition government had been scared away from associating with sceptics and dinosaurs, because of the newspapers articles written prior to the meeting.
The meeting and presentation (slides, presentation skills, budget) were not a patch on the extremely well funded lobby groups like Greenpeace, WWF, that can afford in-house and external green PR professionals, which in the past means politicians will have dismissed them as amateurs, whilst of course the contradictory mantra of a well funded Climate Change fossil fuel deniers meme is rolled out at every opportunity.
If any passing MP’s or journalist were brave enough to look inside they perhaps might have chuckled and thought what were this group doing (average age 55 – to be kind) and perhaps have dismissed then as ’climate dinosaurs’.
A year ago, I might have thought the same about a retired mining engineer with a blog and a certain retired US TV weatherman’s website. Then On 20th Of November of last year, I followed a link from a UK motoring forum, to Watts Up and then had a read of Harry_read_me.txt for myself.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=205&t=775382&mid=990&i=0&nmt=Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations&mid=990
It has been reported that UK Energy Ministers only have meetings with Energy Companies lobbying for subsidies, and the environment groups like Greenpeace, WWF, Friends of the Erath, Oxfam, Christian Aid, etc (tip – Bishop Hill)
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/10/29/ministerial-meetings.html
The organizers of Climate Fools day intend to hold further meetings at the House of Commons, to explain to the MPs about a sceptical point of view. It may take a while for the leaderships of the political parties to move outside of the protective ‘green’ lobbying bubble that they have inhabited for a decade. I do believe that backbench MPs will start to listen to ‘Climate Sense’ as the economic consequence of the Climate Change act are becoming clear.
Climate Change (man made) in the Political context of the UK
One year ago, pre Copenhagen, the Labour Party had been in power for 13 years, the leadership of all UK political parties were convinced about climate change, the Climate Change Act had been passed. The European Union was pressing for ever wider ties between nation states and carbon taxation was considered a good means to raise an EU tax. The EU was trying to lead the world in unilateral emissions cuts and is berating the United States of America and other nations for failing in this area.
The Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the Minister for the Department of Energy and Climate Change, Ed Milliband used rhetoric such as:
Flat Earther, Sceptics, Climate Deniers, Anti science and worryingly Climate Saboteurs.
Gordon Brown went to Copenhagen saying ’50 days to save the planet’.
A year on from Copenhagen – There is a new UK government, a Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government, that finds that it actually has to do something soon, not a convenient decade or 2 away. There are now a few sceptical politicians, so as the age of austerity, massive UK budget deficit, the realities of the energy gap hit home, more politicians may start to take notice of these sceptical colleagues.
Over 6 million people in the UK are defined already as suffering from fuel poverty,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fuel-bills-blamed-for-50-rise-in-winter-deaths-1826917.html the dash to immature green technologies underwritten by massive subsidies will push energy bills for these poor and vulnerable people ever higher.
Or perhaps the populations of the developing countries will reject catastrophic (man made) climate change. Rev Philip Foster spoke that the governments in the developing world saw that the West would look after their own interests at Copenhagen, the poor of those countries already knew they would never have actually seen any of the Western money anyway. It would have just disappeared into developing countries governmental elites pockets or absorbed into the NGO’s
I personally would love the super rich Al Gore to have a debate, about the effects of Climate Change Legislation on millions of the world’s poorest people, with someone like the Rev. Philip Foster. He worked with the poor as a teacher in Africa in the 70’s and keeps in contact with former pupils from Africa (one now a Professor of Geography) he is equally concerned for the UK poor and for the untold millions of the world’s poorest in developing nations who will be denied cheap energy and held in poverty, for the romantic environmentalist notion of ‘saving the planet’ for future generations, whilst ignoring the reality now for the poor.
Some MP’s like Graham Stringer, who are now in political opposition to a declared ‘green’ coalition government are now concerned by the future implications of the Climate Change Act on the poorest most vulnerable members of their constituencies and in UK society and perhaps finally they will take a harder look at the science and at the lobbying of the environmentalist advocacy groups. .
As a ‘Climate Cynic’, I imagine that quite soon the short term concern of being re-elected will force his fellow politicians to re-look at IPCC consensus climate change and address these concerns.
Links:
A Public Climate Fools debate held at Imperial College.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/climate_fools_day/print.html
Climate Realists have some articles and photographs of the day, and their own perspective of Climate Fools Day, at the links below. (a full video will follow, according to Piers Corbyn)
http://climaterealists.com/?id=6553
http://climaterealists.com/?id=6552
http://climaterealists.com/?id=6551
Who are the Climate Fools? – Climate Fools Day
According to the newspapers a ‘cabal of sceptics’ and ‘dinosaurs’ descended on London on Climate Fools Day. I actually attended the Climate Fools Day meeting in the House of Commons on 27th October 2010, unlike the mainstream media who stayed away.
In the UK, a few politicians are just realizing that in 5 years time (around the time of the next election) about one third of the UK power stations will be FORCED to close to meet strict new European Union Pollution (CO2 emissions) rules.
One of these politicians is Graham Stringer MP, he is on the Science and Technology Committee in the House of Commons, his concern is for the poor. It is perhaps now dawning on some other backbench MP’s that ‘keeping the lights’ on, may be more important than ‘saving the planet’ in 50 – 100 years time, to the majority of general public that actually vote for them.
So who are the Climate Fools?
According to Climate Sense they were the 620 UK Members of Parliament from across all political parties that in 2008 voted for the Climate Change Act that committed the UK to 80% reductions in CO2 emissions by 2050. The UK was the first country in the world and remains the only country to commit to this level of reductions, which has had massive implications to energy policy and investment in energy production in the UK.
Only 4 MP’s voted against the Act, only one MP Peter Lilley queried the costs:
“Neither Parliament nor most of the media bothered to discuss the cost of one of the most immense projects ever adopted in this country”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7746126.stm
As the bill was passed, it was brought to the attention of the House of Commons that for the first time in over 73 years snow was falling in October in London.
Thus, on the 2nd anniversary of the 2008 Climate Change Act, there were two events in the UK Houses of Parliament that were of interest to ‘climate sceptics’, ‘climate heretics’, ‘lukewarmers’ ‘climate deniers’ and ‘climate dinosaurs’ alike. Climate Fools Day and the Science & Technology Select Committee (including Graham Stringer MP) were interviewing Acton, Davies and Sir Muir Russell about some of the discrepancies of the various UK Climategate inquiries.
According to Jens Robdrup, the founder of Climate Sense and the Reverend Philip Foster, the intention of Climate Fools Day (sponsored by Graham Stringer MP, Sammy Wilson MP) was the launch of a campaign to lobby the politicians with the intent to repeal the Climate Change Act.
As no single UK politician, at the time of voting or since has ANY real idea of how to actually achieve the UK and EU targets for CO2 emissions.
The Climate Sense group is made up of Copenhagen Climate Challenge,
http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/
, Weather Action http://www.weatheraction.com
and the Campaign Against Carbon Capitalism
,who previously sent the Copenhagen Challenge to the UN and recently to Prince Charles on the behalf of climate sceptics. The challenge asked the UN and the Prince, who has accused sceptics of “peddling pseudo science”, to prove climate change is happening and is signed by 166 scientists. (including Anthony Watts, Bob Carter, Vincent Gray, Richard Lindzen, Nils-Axel Morner, Ian Plimer, Fred Singer and David Bellamy)
http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64
My thoughts of the Climate Fools Meeting
It was a small enthusiastic, slightly eccentric looking meeting of about 70 people – aimed at persuading MP’s of the folly of the Climate Change Act, (they needed a bigger room than originally planned) Graham Stringer was not there, still busy with the outcome of the morning’s select committee meeting, but according to the Telegraph and the organizers he is now a climate sceptic MP.
Graham Capper: Copenhagen Climate Challenge – acted as the chair
Jens Robdrup: Founder of Climate Sense
Discussed Denmark’s experience with Green Wind farm technology, spoke first describing the Danish experience with wind farms. Talking about the highest energy bills in Europe, massive costs, subsidies and failure of energy policy and that all the promised green jobs seemed to have been created in China.
Revd Philip Foster – Climate Sense – A retired English vicar.
He is author of “While the Earth Endures: Creation Cosmology and Climate Change”
(he is also the UK publisher of – Climategate: the CRUtape Letters)
He spoke enthusiastically and confidently about the earth’s previous climate, and how current temperatures were neither unprecedented nor dangerous. He had read the morning headlines
Guardian: Cabal of climate sceptics to descend on UK parliament
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/oct/25/climate-fools-day-sceptics-parliament
Telegraph: Climate sceptics launch campaign to overturn green targets
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8088204/Climate-sceptics-launch-campaign-to-overturn-green-targets.html
(with a photo of a smoking chmimmney stack)
Telegraph: “These guys are a remnant group of dinosaurs trying to argue something while frankly the public and political debate has moved on.” from Bob Ward, Policy and Communicatios Director, Grantham Institute.
Revd Philip Foster started with
“Fellow dinosaurs, deniars, flat-earthers we are here today to encourage the Member’s of Parliament to repeal the Climate Change Act”.
He spoke well and confidentally, I imagine 30 years in the pulpit gives very good public speaking skills. He talked about past climate, demonstrating that the climate today was neither unprecedented or a concern.
Revd Philip Foster finished with:
“Belief and Trust is for GOD, Scepticism is for Scientists”
Piers Corbyn: astrophysicist, founder and director of Weather Action long range forecasting
Piers spoke about how the Sun drove the earth’s weather and climate not CO2, he gave a good presentation in front of a receptive audience. He receives a very bad press from the CAGW http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/sep/21/climate-sceptics-evidence-gullible ‘consensus’ media as he is all to easily described by them as a ‘climate denying’ eccentric scientist, (with appropriate hair) but the fact is Weather Action http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.asp?p=wact5
seems to outperform the ‘warmist’ UK Met Office medium and long term weather forecasting, the UK Met Office no longer actively promotes their seasonal forecasts, such was the public and press laughter at their recent ‘barbecue summer’ and ‘wet and mild’ winter predictions.
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/3/5/met-office-to-scrap-seasonal-forecasts.html
Piers demonstrated in his presentation that the IPCC computer model predictions/scenarios for temperatures were higher than actual temperatures in the 21st century.
Peter Gill: Physicist
He described how CO2 has had a bad press, neither toxic nor a pollutant. He covered issues like different definitions of CO2 ‘residence time’, actual amounts of anthropogenic CO2 vs biomass and oceans. The fact that the IPCC have a preference for low ice core figures for the amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, against over 90,000 historic direct measurements of percentages of CO2 in the atmosphere.
One interesting point of discussion was if the IPCC’s definition of CO2 residence time was correct, where had all the anthropogenic CO2 gone. He argues that the “variability of emissions and absorption by natural processes exceeds current anthropogenic emissions.”
Christopher Booker: Veteran Sunday Telegraph Columnist
(author: The Real Global Warming Scandal)
Spoke against the burdensome costs of renewables, including wind farms and solar in the UK and the Costs of the Climate Change Bill, 18.4 billion a year until 2050. He also spoke about the coming Energy gap in the UK, due to the coming closure (2015) of power stations due to the EU CO2 Emissions regulations.
His articles below best describe his presentation.
Renewables will add £880 a year to bills
The Thanet wind farm will milk us for billions
Britain’s Energy Policy is in crisis
Christopher Booker went into a detailed analysis about the craziness and vast cost and subsidies of the dash to wind farm technologies in the UK. He gave a convincing case that the dash to green technology would be ruinous for the UK economy. His fellow journalist James Delingpole, summarized the costs of the Climate Change act, in his Climate Fools Day blog article.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100060540/happy-climate-fools-day
Sammy Wilson (DUP MP): Former Northern Ireland Environment Minister
Sammy was the MP that sponsored the meeting, and thanked everyone for attending.
He told some anecdotes of his time as Environment minister in Northern Ireland, including his experience when he refused to allow the now notorious ‘Bedtime Stories’ TV Ad, to be shown in Northern Ireland, this was withdrawn in the rest of the UK following 900 complaints to ASA (they stopped accepting complaints after 900)http://www.asa.org.uk/Complaints-and-ASA-action/Adjudications/2010/3/Department-of-Energy-and-Climate-Change/TF_ADJ_48225.aspx
ACTONCO2 “Bedtime Stories” TV advertisement, October 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&hl=en-GB&v=w62gsctP2gc
This TV ad was part of the Department of Energy and Climate Change’s, £6 million campaign – Act On CO2, which in the run up to Copenhagen, features a small child being told a bedtime story about the CO2 monster, including drowning cartoon puppies.
I know nothing about Northern Ireland politicians, but I applaud him for that act of political rebellion. Sammy also said he refused to sign up pledges on emission cuts in Northern Ireland, for the very pragmatic political reason, that he would be criticized for failing to meet the pledge, as no one had any idea how to practically achieve them. He explained this with a smile, which probably explains why he is no longer the NI Environment Minister. Sammy came across as a friendly lively Member of Parliament, who I think the backbench MP’s may start to listen to.
John O Sullivan: Climate Realists
Gave a short speech and presented a $10,000 cheque to Piers Corbyn, from a US publisher Stairway Press ( US publisher of A J Montford’s – The Hockey Stick Illusion) They had chosen the Climate Fools Day to present the inaugural Ernst-Georg Beck Award, this was not directly a part of Climate Fools Day, see Climate Realists for the detail.
Dr Ian Strangeways: expert in meteorological thermometry
In the final minutes, reiterated the basic greenhouse physics of a doubling of CO2 levels ( ie an increase of 1.0C + or – 0.5C, his main interest is instrumentation, error skewing results in the temperature data sets and issues like thermometer shrinkage causing an increase in readings over time in the historic datasets.
Both Piers Corbyn and Peter Gill gave their presentations at a Climate Fools Day conference at Imperial College the following day, with the BBC’s Roger Harrabin attending.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/climate_fools_day/print.html
How was Climate Fools day perceived in Parliament?
The meeting had run out of time for a Q & A session, though a hearty debate continued in the corridors of parliament, before a large group went off to the nearest pub.
Two of the invited Members of Parliament failed to turn up, possibly these more prominent MP’s in the declared ‘green’ coalition government had been scared away from associating with sceptics and dinosaurs, because of the newspapers articles written prior to the meeting.
The meeting and presentation (slides, presentation skills, budget) were not a patch on the extremely well funded lobby groups like Greenpeace, WWF, that can afford in-house and external green PR professionals, which in the past means politicians will have dismissed them as amateurs, whilst of course the contradictory mantra of a well funded Climate Change fossil fuel deniers meme is rolled out at every opportunity.
If any passing MP’s or journalist were brave enough to look inside they perhaps might have chuckled and thought what were this group doing (average age 55 – to be kind) and perhaps have dismissed then as ’climate dinosaurs’.
A year ago, I might have thought the same about a retired mining engineer with a blog and a certain retired US TV weatherman’s website. Then On 20th Of November of last year, I followed a link from a UK motoring forum, to Watts Up and then had a read of Harry_read_me.txt for myself.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=205&t=775382&mid=990&i=0&nmt=Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations&mid=990
It has been reported that UK Energy Ministers only have meetings with Energy Companies lobbying for subsidies, and the environment groups like Greenpeace, WWF, Friends of the Erath, Oxfam, Christian Aid, etc (tip – Bishop Hill)
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/10/29/ministerial-meetings.html
The organizers of Climate Fools day intend to hold further meetings at the House of Commons, to explain to the MPs about a sceptical point of view. It may take a while for the leaderships of the political parties to move outside of the protective ‘green’ lobbying bubble that they have inhabited for a decade. I do believe that backbench MPs will start to listen to ‘Climate Sense’ as the economic consequence of the Climate Change act are becoming clear.
Climate Change (man made) in the Political context of the UK
One year ago, pre Copenhagen, the Labour Party had been in power for 13 years, the leadership of all UK political parties were convinced about climate change, the Climate Change Act had been passed. The European Union was pressing for ever wider ties between nation states and carbon taxation was considered a good means to raise an EU tax. The EU was trying to lead the world in unilateral emissions cuts and is berating the United States of America and other nations for failing in this area.
The Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the Minister for the Department of Energy and Climate Change, Ed Milliband used rhetoric such as:
Flat Earther, Sceptics, Climate Deniers, Anti science and worryingly Climate Saboteurs.
Gordon Brown went to Copenhagen saying ’50 days to save the planet’.
A year on from Copenhagen – There is a new UK government, a Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government, that finds that it actually has to do something soon, not a convenient decade or 2 away. There are now a few sceptical politicians, so as the age of austerity, massive UK budget deficit, the realities of the energy gap hit home, more politicians may start to take notice of these sceptical colleagues.
Over 6 million people in the UK are defined already as suffering from fuel poverty,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fuel-bills-blamed-for-50-rise-in-winter-deaths-1826917.html the dash to immature green technologies underwritten by massive subsidies will push energy bills for these poor and vulnerable people ever higher.
Or perhaps the populations of the developing countries will reject catastrophic (man made) climate change. Rev Philip Foster spoke that the governments in the developing world saw that the West would look after their own interests at Copenhagen, the poor of those countries already knew they would never have actually seen any of the Western money anyway. It would have just disappeared into developing countries governmental elites pockets or absorbed into the NGO’s
I personally would love the super rich Al Gore to have a debate, about the effects of Climate Change Legislation on millions of the world’s poorest people, with someone like the Rev. Philip Foster. He worked with the poor as a teacher in Africa in the 70’s and keeps in contact with former pupils from Africa (one now a Professor of Geography) he is equally concerned for the UK poor and for the untold millions of the world’s poorest in developing nations who will be denied cheap energy and held in poverty, for the romantic environmentalist notion of ‘saving the planet’ for future generations, whilst ignoring the reality now for the poor.
Some MP’s like Graham Stringer, who are now in political opposition to a declared ‘green’ coalition government are now concerned by the future implications of the Climate Change Act on the poorest most vulnerable members of their constituencies and in UK society and perhaps finally they will take a harder look at the science and at the lobbying of the environmentalist advocacy groups. .
As a ‘Climate Cynic’, I imagine that quite soon the short term concern of being re-elected will force his fellow politicians to re-look at IPCC consensus climate change and address these concerns.
Links:
A Public Climate Fools debate held at Imperial College.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/climate_fools_day/print.html
Climate Realists have some articles and photographs of the day, and their own perspective of Climate Fools Day, at the links below. (a full video will follow, according to Piers Corbyn)
http://climaterealists.com/?id=6553
http://climaterealists.com/?id=6552
http://climaterealists.com/?id=6551
Who are the Climate Fools? – Climate Fools Day
According to the newspapers a ‘cabal of sceptics’ and ‘dinosaurs’ descended on London on Climate Fools Day. I actually attended the Climate Fools Day meeting in the House of Commons on 27th October 2010, unlike the mainstream media who stayed away.
In the UK, a few politicians are just realizing that in 5 years time (around the time of the next election) about one third of the UK power stations will be FORCED to close to meet strict new European Union Pollution (CO2 emissions) rules.
One of these politicians is Graham Stringer MP, he is on the Science and Technology Committee in the House of Commons, his concern is for the poor. It is perhaps now dawning on some other backbench MP’s that ‘keeping the lights’ on, may be more important than ‘saving the planet’ in 50 – 100 years time, to the majority of general public that actually vote for them.
So who are the Climate Fools?
According to Climate Sense they were the 620 UK Members of Parliament from across all political parties that in 2008 voted for the Climate Change Act that committed the UK to 80% reductions in CO2 emissions by 2050. The UK was the first country in the world and remains the only country to commit to this level of reductions, which has had massive implications to energy policy and investment in energy production in the UK.
Only 4 MP’s voted against the Act, only one MP Peter Lilley queried the costs:
“Neither Parliament nor most of the media bothered to discuss the cost of one of the most immense projects ever adopted in this country”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7746126.stm
As the bill was passed, it was brought to the attention of the House of Commons that for the first time in over 73 years snow was falling in October in London.
Thus, on the 2nd anniversary of the 2008 Climate Change Act, there were two events in the UK Houses of Parliament that were of interest to ‘climate sceptics’, ‘climate heretics’, ‘lukewarmers’ ‘climate deniers’ and ‘climate dinosaurs’ alike. Climate Fools Day and the Science & Technology Select Committee (including Graham Stringer MP) were interviewing Acton, Davies and Sir Muir Russell about some of the discrepancies of the various UK Climategate inquiries.
According to Jens Robdrup, the founder of Climate Sense and the Reverend Philip Foster, the intention of Climate Fools Day (sponsored by Graham Stringer MP, Sammy Wilson MP) was the launch of a campaign to lobby the politicians with the intent to repeal the Climate Change Act.
As no single UK politician, at the time of voting or since has ANY real idea of how to actually achieve the UK and EU targets for CO2 emissions.
The Climate Sense group is made up of Copenhagen Climate Challenge,
http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/
, Weather Action http://www.weatheraction.com
and the Campaign Against Carbon Capitalism
,who previously sent the Copenhagen Challenge to the UN and recently to Prince Charles on the behalf of climate sceptics. The challenge asked the UN and the Prince, who has accused sceptics of “peddling pseudo science”, to prove climate change is happening and is signed by 166 scientists. (including Anthony Watts, Bob Carter, Vincent Gray, Richard Lindzen, Nils-Axel Morner, Ian Plimer, Fred Singer and David Bellamy)
http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64
My thoughts of the Climate Fools Meeting
It was a small enthusiastic, slightly eccentric looking meeting of about 70 people – aimed at persuading MP’s of the folly of the Climate Change Act, (they needed a bigger room than originally planned) Graham Stringer was not there, still busy with the outcome of the morning’s select committee meeting, but according to the Telegraph and the organizers he is now a climate sceptic MP.
Graham Capper: Copenhagen Climate Challenge – acted as the chair
Jens Robdrup: Founder of Climate Sense
Discussed Denmark’s experience with Green Wind farm technology, spoke first describing the Danish experience with wind farms. Talking about the highest energy bills in Europe, massive costs, subsidies and failure of energy policy and that all the promised green jobs seemed to have been created in China.
Revd Philip Foster – Climate Sense – A retired English vicar.
He is author of “While the Earth Endures: Creation Cosmology and Climate Change”
(he is also the UK publisher of – Climategate: the CRUtape Letters)
He spoke enthusiastically and confidently about the earth’s previous climate, and how current temperatures were neither unprecedented nor dangerous. He had read the morning headlines
Guardian: Cabal of climate sceptics to descend on UK parliament
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/oct/25/climate-fools-day-sceptics-parliament
Telegraph: Climate sceptics launch campaign to overturn green targets
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8088204/Climate-sceptics-launch-campaign-to-overturn-green-targets.html
(with a photo of a smoking chmimmney stack)
Telegraph: “These guys are a remnant group of dinosaurs trying to argue something while frankly the public and political debate has moved on.” from Bob Ward, Policy and Communicatios Director, Grantham Institute.
Revd Philip Foster started with
“Fellow dinosaurs, deniars, flat-earthers we are here today to encourage the Member’s of Parliament to repeal the Climate Change Act”.
He spoke well and confidentally, I imagine 30 years in the pulpit gives very good public speaking skills. He talked about past climate, demonstrating that the climate today was neither unprecedented or a concern.
Revd Philip Foster finished with:
“Belief and Trust is for GOD, Scepticism is for Scientists”
Piers Corbyn: astrophysicist, founder and director of Weather Action long range forecasting
Piers spoke about how the Sun drove the earth’s weather and climate not CO2, he gave a good presentation in front of a receptive audience. He receives a very bad press from the CAGW http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/sep/21/climate-sceptics-evidence-gullible ‘consensus’ media as he is all to easily described by them as a ‘climate denying’ eccentric scientist, (with appropriate hair) but the fact is Weather Action http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.asp?p=wact5
seems to outperform the ‘warmist’ UK Met Office medium and long term weather forecasting, the UK Met Office no longer actively promotes their seasonal forecasts, such was the public and press laughter at their recent ‘barbecue summer’ and ‘wet and mild’ winter predictions.
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/3/5/met-office-to-scrap-seasonal-forecasts.html
Piers demonstrated in his presentation that the IPCC computer model predictions/scenarios for temperatures were higher than actual temperatures in the 21st century.
Peter Gill: Physicist
He described how CO2 has had a bad press, neither toxic nor a pollutant. He covered issues like different definitions of CO2 ‘residence time’, actual amounts of anthropogenic CO2 vs biomass and oceans. The fact that the IPCC have a preference for low ice core figures for the amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, against over 90,000 historic direct measurements of percentages of CO2 in the atmosphere.
One interesting point of discussion was if the IPCC’s definition of CO2 residence time was correct, where had all the anthropogenic CO2 gone. He argues that the “variability of emissions and absorption by natural processes exceeds current anthropogenic emissions.”
Christopher Booker: Veteran Sunday Telegraph Columnist
(author: The Real Global Warming Scandal)
Spoke against the burdensome costs of renewables, including wind farms and solar in the UK and the Costs of the Climate Change Bill, 18.4 billion a year until 2050. He also spoke about the coming Energy gap in the UK, due to the coming closure (2015) of power stations due to the EU CO2 Emissions regulations.
His articles below best describe his presentation.
Renewables will add £880 a year to bills
The Thanet wind farm will milk us for billions
Britain’s Energy Policy is in crisis
Christopher Booker went into a detailed analysis about the craziness and vast cost and subsidies of the dash to wind farm technologies in the UK. He gave a convincing case that the dash to green technology would be ruinous for the UK economy. His fellow journalist James Delingpole, summarized the costs of the Climate Change act, in his Climate Fools Day blog article.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100060540/happy-climate-fools-day
Sammy Wilson (DUP MP): Former Northern Ireland Environment Minister
Sammy was the MP that sponsored the meeting, and thanked everyone for attending.
He told some anecdotes of his time as Environment minister in Northern Ireland, including his experience when he refused to allow the now notorious ‘Bedtime Stories’ TV Ad, to be shown in Northern Ireland, this was withdrawn in the rest of the UK following 900 complaints to ASA (they stopped accepting complaints after 900)http://www.asa.org.uk/Complaints-and-ASA-action/Adjudications/2010/3/Department-of-Energy-and-Climate-Change/TF_ADJ_48225.aspx
ACTONCO2 “Bedtime Stories” TV advertisement, October 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&hl=en-GB&v=w62gsctP2gc
This TV ad was part of the Department of Energy and Climate Change’s, £6 million campaign – Act On CO2, which in the run up to Copenhagen, features a small child being told a bedtime story about the CO2 monster, including drowning cartoon puppies.
I know nothing about Northern Ireland politicians, but I applaud him for that act of political rebellion. Sammy also said he refused to sign up pledges on emission cuts in Northern Ireland, for the very pragmatic political reason, that he would be criticized for failing to meet the pledge, as no one had any idea how to practically achieve them. He explained this with a smile, which probably explains why he is no longer the NI Environment Minister. Sammy came across as a friendly lively Member of Parliament, who I think the backbench MP’s may start to listen to.
John O Sullivan: Climate Realists
Gave a short speech and presented a $10,000 cheque to Piers Corbyn, from a US publisher Stairway Press ( US publisher of A J Montford’s – The Hockey Stick Illusion) They had chosen the Climate Fools Day to present the inaugural Ernst-Georg Beck Award, this was not directly a part of Climate Fools Day, see Climate Realists for the detail.
Dr Ian Strangeways: expert in meteorological thermometry
In the final minutes, reiterated the basic greenhouse physics of a doubling of CO2 levels ( ie an increase of 1.0C + or – 0.5C, his main interest is instrumentation, error skewing results in the temperature data sets and issues like thermometer shrinkage causing an increase in readings over time in the historic datasets.
Both Piers Corbyn and Peter Gill gave their presentations at a Climate Fools Day conference at Imperial College the following day, with the BBC’s Roger Harrabin attending.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/climate_fools_day/print.html
How was Climate Fools day perceived in Parliament?
The meeting had run out of time for a Q & A session, though a hearty debate continued in the corridors of parliament, before a large group went off to the nearest pub.
Two of the invited Members of Parliament failed to turn up, possibly these more prominent MP’s in the declared ‘green’ coalition government had been scared away from associating with sceptics and dinosaurs, because of the newspapers articles written prior to the meeting.
The meeting and presentation (slides, presentation skills, budget) were not a patch on the extremely well funded lobby groups like Greenpeace, WWF, that can afford in-house and external green PR professionals, which in the past means politicians will have dismissed them as amateurs, whilst of course the contradictory mantra of a well funded Climate Change fossil fuel deniers meme is rolled out at every opportunity.
If any passing MP’s or journalist were brave enough to look inside they perhaps might have chuckled and thought what were this group doing (average age 55 – to be kind) and perhaps have dismissed then as ’climate dinosaurs’.
A year ago, I might have thought the same about a retired mining engineer with a blog and a certain retired US TV weatherman’s website. Then On 20th Of November of last year, I followed a link from a UK motoring forum, to Watts Up and then had a read of Harry_read_me.txt for myself.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=205&t=775382&mid=990&i=0&nmt=Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations&mid=990
It has been reported that UK Energy Ministers only have meetings with Energy Companies lobbying for subsidies, and the environment groups like Greenpeace, WWF, Friends of the Erath, Oxfam, Christian Aid, etc (tip – Bishop Hill)
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/10/29/ministerial-meetings.html
The organizers of Climate Fools day intend to hold further meetings at the House of Commons, to explain to the MPs about a sceptical point of view. It may take a while for the leaderships of the political parties to move outside of the protective ‘green’ lobbying bubble that they have inhabited for a decade. I do believe that backbench MPs will start to listen to ‘Climate Sense’ as the economic consequence of the Climate Change act are becoming clear.
Climate Change (man made) in the Political context of the UK
One year ago, pre Copenhagen, the Labour Party had been in power for 13 years, the leadership of all UK political parties were convinced about climate change, the Climate Change Act had been passed. The European Union was pressing for ever wider ties between nation states and carbon taxation was considered a good means to raise an EU tax. The EU was trying to lead the world in unilateral emissions cuts and is berating the United States of America and other nations for failing in this area.
The Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the Minister for the Department of Energy and Climate Change, Ed Milliband used rhetoric such as:
Flat Earther, Sceptics, Climate Deniers, Anti science and worryingly Climate Saboteurs.
Gordon Brown went to Copenhagen saying ’50 days to save the planet’.
A year on from Copenhagen – There is a new UK government, a Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government, that finds that it actually has to do something soon, not a convenient decade or 2 away. There are now a few sceptical politicians, so as the age of austerity, massive UK budget deficit, the realities of the energy gap hit home, more politicians may start to take notice of these sceptical colleagues.
Over 6 million people in the UK are defined already as suffering from fuel poverty,
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fuel-bills-blamed-for-50-rise-in-winter-deaths-1826917.html the dash to immature green technologies underwritten by massive subsidies will push energy bills for these poor and vulnerable people ever higher.
Or perhaps the populations of the developing countries will reject catastrophic (man made) climate change. Rev Philip Foster spoke that the governments in the developing world saw that the West would look after their own interests at Copenhagen, the poor of those countries already knew they would never have actually seen any of the Western money anyway. It would have just disappeared into developing countries governmental elites pockets or absorbed into the NGO’s
I personally would love the super rich Al Gore to have a debate, about the effects of Climate Change Legislation on millions of the world’s poorest people, with someone like the Rev. Philip Foster. He worked with the poor as a teacher in Africa in the 70’s and keeps in contact with former pupils from Africa (one now a Professor of Geography) he is equally concerned for the UK poor and for the untold millions of the world’s poorest in developing nations who will be denied cheap energy and held in poverty, for the romantic environmentalist notion of ‘saving the planet’ for future generations, whilst ignoring the reality now for the poor.
Some MP’s like Graham Stringer, who are now in political opposition to a declared ‘green’ coalition government are now concerned by the future implications of the Climate Change Act on the poorest most vulnerable members of their constituencies and in UK society and perhaps finally they will take a harder look at the science and at the lobbying of the environmentalist advocacy groups. .
As a ‘Climate Cynic’, I imagine that quite soon the short term concern of being re-elected will force his fellow politicians to re-look at IPCC consensus climate change and address these concerns.
Links:
A Public Climate Fools debate held at Imperial College.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/climate_fools_day/print.html
Climate Realists have some articles and photographs of the day, and their own perspective of Climate Fools Day, at the links below. (a full video will follow, according to Piers Corbyn)
http://climaterealists.com/?id=6553
Most enivros are low-life wiseguys running an an enviromental protection racket, and they and their lawyers are shaking down governments and companies for out of court settlements that is now running into billions of dollars. It is cheaper and more expedient for governments and companies to pay these guys off than fight the law suits in court at great expense. For many conpanies delaying a project results in increased costs and can lead to cancellation of the project.
What happens to an offshore wind farm when a large freighter loses power and drifts into the farm? Those windmills will snap like match sticks and become reefs for sea life.
I’m convinced the idea is to kill off the old folk.
Council, (community?) housing in the UK is being updated. Where once there was central heating electrically controlled but with the backup of a gas fire, the gas fire is being replaced by an expensive to run electric fire. The obvious problem with this is that during a power cut, probably during a cold spell in Winter, there is no backup to the central heating, so the only place to go is bed to try to keep warm.
If the power cut is prolonged, that is where they will find the dead pensioners. They’ll probably just say they died of old age the cynical bastards!
DaveE.
Today might be an extinction event for American politicians supporting government action on climate issues. We have reached a tipping point, it might be much worse than they expect.
“and the Prince, who has accused sceptics of “peddling pseudo science”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252745/Prince-Charles-backed-homeopathy-secret-talks-ministers.html#ixzz149WpGGQP
Prince Charles ‘backed homeopathy in secret talks with ministers’
What is becoming quiet obvious that for the UK wind and solar are not the panacea to solve our energy problems that we once thought. Germany, Spain and other EU countries are now back-tracking on development of wind farms and I expect the next iteration of government’s quest for ‘green’ electricity will be natural gas and nuclear.
The future for wind power is looking bleaker and bleaker with every passing year, but our liberal governments are still clinging to the dream! In view of this I’m certain that the harsh realities of the situation will further delay the current EU deadline on large fossil fuel plants being closed by 2015.
I think I have mentioned here more than once about the ‘law’ of unintended consequences. Furthermore, people are not prepared to die in cold houses when they were not prepared to die in cold caves. Sorry for the drama. It’s as simple as that.
Thanks for the report Barry.
Really informative, great links – a great resource.
As to the main thrust, the British public seem completely unaware of the price we are already paying for emmisions, in our fuel bills. These figures – in this report – might just make sense to them now they have been force-fed, on a daily basis (ad nauseum in fact and for some time now) by the MSM, the scale of the cuts we are facing.
It reminds me of lambs being taken to the slaughter house – none of them knows what is about to happen to them.
2015 sounds like a grim time up ahead, if these people get their way, and I’m afraid it looks as though they will.
This site is a gold mine of rationality.
I do feel sorry for the lambs though.
Harold Pierce Jr said:
I would be more concerned about the foundations. Oceans, by definition, are sedimentary. It’s very hard to find a site on the south or east coast of the US where they can be anchored in rock. Near shore Gulf of Mexico, for example, would be a horrible place. The previous comment about vibration is important here. Building an offshore platform is difficult enough. Thixotrophy would be an engineer’s nightmare.
@ur momisugly Stuart Harmon says:
November 2, 2010 at 10:59 am
Sir,
I doubt very much that Sir Joseph William Bazalgette would have appreciated being referred to as Basil Jet.
Sincerely etc.
Anthony will pressumably confirm his signature to the Copenhagen Challenge
(and by default Prince Charles)
ie… in the link below, including Anthony Watts, Bob Carter, Vincent Gray, Richard Lindzen, Nils-Axel Morner, Ian Plimer, Fred Singer and David Bellamy.
http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64
It would be interesting to hear a bit more about Dr Ian Strangeways thoughts on thermometer creep, if anyone can locate them.
Chas says:
November 2, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Never come across the info on thermometers but I can believe thermometer creep.
Glass is a supercooled liquid and does indeed flow like a liquid over an extended period. What effect this would have on an LIG thermometer I’m not sure but I could envisage closing of the capillary at the bottom of the instrument.
On the other hand, I can also envisage distortion of the bulb reducing, OR increasing the reading over time. Difficult to call either way.
DaveE.
On reflection. I can see how the thickness of the glass surrounding the capillary could lead to a small reduction in bulb size. This would lead to an increase in temperature readings.
DaveE.
Chas says: It would be interesting to hear a bit more about Dr Ian Strangeways thoughts on thermometer creep, if anyone can locate them.
… Ask him yourself:
Email: Dr Ian Strangeways (ian@terradata.co.uk)
Correspondence: Dr Ian Strangeways, TerraData, 7 Cherwell Close, Thames St, Wallingford, Oxon OX10 0HF UK
Dr Ian Strangeways has his own web site at http://www.ianstrangeways.org.uk
Both Piers Corbyn and Peter Gill gave their presentations at a Climate Fools Day conference at Imperial College the following day, with the BBC’s Roger Harrabin attending.
A correction…
I checked on Weather Action Website and this was actually the last Climate Fools Day year at Imperial College. – So I assumed, 2010 as I thought it was the first one, did not realise there was a Climate Fools Day last year..
As it is the first entry on the home page their is a picture of this which said October 28th Oct (no year)
http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.asp?p=wact1&fsize=0
An Update..
A video intro of the climate Fools Day debate is now available
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzaSra4Do-w&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3]
Link to the video, if the embedded video does not work.
http://climaterealists.com/?id=6583
The EU a&%e lickers in the commons voted on a bill they didn’t understand (so what’s new?), they are soooooo caring (not of the world but of their sinecures).
The law of unintended consequences will mean that soon enough the lights will go off in Blighty – how green is that???
When this bill was passed in 2008 I thought to myself, the ‘lights are off ‘ in Parliamentary brains (oxymoron?).
This movement is a start, MP’s are so blinded by dogma, ideology and the AGW miasma, I wonder if it is too late?
The lead (in the EU – HQ central for AGW mongers) will have to come from Germany, another cold winter there will focus the German electorate’s mood marvellously – they’re already climbing down (AGW belief amongst ordinary Germans is well down from 4/5years ago) from the AGW Armageddon bandwagon.
Alas in Britain, the land of the brain dead politician, all is still to play for, though like I said, you gotta start somewhere.
Heads literally need to be knocked together, a good ‘rogering’ for the Dems in the STATES will also help concentrate minds – our politicians in Britain might eventually ‘get it’ – that, there are no votes in promulgating AGW and (by extension) useless palliative measures thereof.
A war of attrition, let battle be joined.
Roger T, a huge laugh for your verse from “The Good Ship Venus.” This was a frequent dinner table refrain at my fraternitiy house at UCLA in the early sixties and, no, it’s not “scurrilous,” but usually salacious and, in some verses, downright pornographic. My guess is that this tune originated with the British Navy and was actually a “chanty,” sung by sailors during periods of serious manual labor.
Wouldn’t it be fun if Anthony (God bless his serious heart) set up an “errata” file where stuff like this could be made available to interested ‘perverts,’ who retain a robust (I mean ribald) sense of humor in the present times?
I can still rememer at least half a dozen verses, all of them side-splittingly funny, over a dinner of prime rib and goodly fellowship, accompanied by proper libations.
Probably the least offensive verse in the repotire is the first (delete if you must, mods, but at least have a good laugh yourselves…)
‘Twas on the good ship Venus,
You really should have seen us,
A figurehead
Of a wh**e in a bed,
And a mate without a p**s!
The ‘chanty’ went on with the Captain and then the officers:
The Captain’s name was O’Slugger,
He was a filthy bugger,
He wasn’t fit
To shovel s**t,
From one one ship to another!
The Captain’s daughter was Mabel,
She was young and pretty and able,
To fornicate
With the Second Mate,
Upon the chartroom table!
Anyway, mods, thanks for a great job, blessings to Anthony, and enjoy what has happened today.
I work in the UK power industry. My company is shutting down plants due to the EU Large Combustion Plant Directive (LCPD). It doesn’t matter if the Large Combustion Plant Directive (LCPD) gets repealed or not.
The plants that are due to shut down haven’t received the maintenance and refurbishment they need to operate until sufficient capacity can be built. This country is going to get very interesting within the decade.
hello!
sorry for the late reply everyone-
@ur momisugly golf charlie, ferchault, cold englishman
Alanbates posted some good info- and i was reffering to this ( the same source, different format.)
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/48432/response/122951/attach/html/3/EIR%20response%2010%202104%20wind%20turbine%20foundations%2027%2010%202010.pdf.html
key workd really is ‘settlement’ (not legal, but foundations). We’re still waiting on the outcome of the detailed tests, but at the very least- settlements have been detected in a significant number of the off-shore wind farms.
@ur momisuglyDave N
GOONS! good to see i’m not the only one who still listens to them.
I’m sure bluebottle would have something to say on the cAGW mess….
november 3rd still have the heaters on in sydney 17 c tomorrow . bring on global warming
We have a real problem with UK politicians. I have tried to engage with my own MP on our energy policy but she has been unable to answer some fairly basic questions after 4 months.
In July I wrote to her expressing my concern over the looming energy gap and to date all I have received back is a ‘cut & paste’ letter about how wonderful everything is going to be once we have green energy. The letter even claimed that green energy could ‘lower fuel costs’. I have been very persistent in asking for an explanation of how this will be achieved but I can get no response apart from being told that ‘there are plenty of green policies’ in the pipeline.
While my MP is very good at appearing in the local newspaper opening a new school canteen or similar, she apparently has no idea of what the hell her government is doing. Furthermore, the correspondence I have received back is a combination off insulting drivel and false claims.
I’m sure that she now thinks that I’m some sort of nutter for persisting in getting an answer from her, but I actually think that it is disgraceful that MY representative in Parliament is unable to provide me with even the most rudimentary answers to a key policy of her party.
Frustrating as it is, I would urge all other UK readers to engage their own MPs about any issue and you will quickly find out whether your own representative is a proper politician or just there for the ride. Mine sadly has come up short.
“In the UK, a few politicians are just realizing that in 5 years time (around the time of the next election) about one third of the UK power stations will be FORCED to close to meet strict new European Union Pollution (CO2 emissions) rules.”
What perfect timing. I can guarantee a string of hard N.H. winters from 2014 to the early 2020`s. About one third of UK citizens will have trouble paying for their electricity by then anyway.
I doubt Charles has any interest in investigating AGW climate claims – http://stream.adamdodson.org/items/view/3368