Who are the Climate Fools? – Climate Fools Day Recap

Guest post by Barry Woods, London.

According to the newspapers a ‘cabal of sceptics’ and ‘dinosaurs’ descended on London on Climate Fools Day. I actually attended the Climate Fools Day meeting in the House of Commons on 27th October 2010, unlike the mainstream media who stayed away.

In the UK, a few politicians are just realizing that in 5 years time (around the time of the next election) about one third of the UK power stations will be FORCED to close to meet strict new European Union Pollution (CO2 emissions) rules.

One of these politicians is Graham Stringer MP, he is on the Science and Technology Committee in the House of Commons, his concern is for the poor. It is perhaps now dawning on some other backbench MP’s that ‘keeping the lights’ on, may be more important than ‘saving the planet’ in 50 – 100 years time, to the majority of general public that actually vote for them.

So who are the Climate Fools?


According to Climate Sense they were the 620 UK Members of Parliament from across all political parties that in 2008 voted for the Climate Change Act that committed the UK to 80% reductions in CO2 emissions by 2050. The UK was the first country in the world and remains the only country to commit to this level of reductions, which has had massive implications to energy policy and investment in energy production in the UK.

Only 4 MP’s voted against the Act, only one MP Peter Lilley queried the costs:

Neither Parliament nor most of the media bothered to discuss the cost of one of the most immense projects ever adopted in this country”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7746126.stm

As the bill was passed, it was brought to the attention of the House of Commons that for the first time in over 73 years snow was falling in October in London.

Thus, on the 2nd anniversary of the 2008 Climate Change Act, there were two events in the UK Houses of Parliament that were of interest to ‘climate sceptics’, ‘climate heretics’, ‘lukewarmers’ ‘climate deniers’ and ‘climate dinosaurs’ alike. Climate Fools Day and the Science & Technology Select Committee (including Graham Stringer MP) were interviewing Acton, Davies and Sir Muir Russell about some of the discrepancies of the various UK Climategate inquiries.

According to Jens Robdrup, the founder of Climate Sense and the Reverend Philip Foster, the intention of Climate Fools Day (sponsored by Graham Stringer MP, Sammy Wilson MP) was the launch of a campaign to lobby the politicians with the intent to repeal the Climate Change Act.

As no single UK politician, at the time of voting or since has ANY real idea of how to actually achieve the UK and EU targets for CO2 emissions.

The Climate Sense group is made up of Copenhagen Climate Challenge,

http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/

, Weather Action http://www.weatheraction.com

and the Campaign Against Carbon Capitalism

,who previously sent the Copenhagen Challenge to the UN and recently to Prince Charles on the behalf of climate sceptics. The challenge asked the UN and the Prince, who has accused sceptics of “peddling pseudo science”, to prove climate change is happening and is signed by 166 scientists. (including Anthony Watts, Bob Carter, Vincent Gray, Richard Lindzen, Nils-Axel Morner, Ian Plimer, Fred Singer and David Bellamy)

http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64

My thoughts of the Climate Fools Meeting

It was a small enthusiastic, slightly eccentric looking meeting of about 70 people – aimed at persuading MP’s of the folly of the Climate Change Act, (they needed a bigger room than originally planned) Graham Stringer was not there, still busy with the outcome of the morning’s select committee meeting, but according to the Telegraph and the organizers he is now a climate sceptic MP.

Graham Capper: Copenhagen Climate Challenge – acted as the chair

Jens Robdrup: Founder of Climate Sense

Discussed Denmark’s experience with Green Wind farm technology, spoke first describing the Danish experience with wind farms. Talking about the highest energy bills in Europe, massive costs, subsidies and failure of energy policy and that all the promised green jobs seemed to have been created in China.

Revd Philip Foster – Climate Sense – A retired English vicar.

He is author of “While the Earth Endures: Creation Cosmology and Climate Change”

(he is also the UK publisher of – Climategate: the CRUtape Letters)

He spoke enthusiastically and confidently about the earth’s previous climate, and how current temperatures were neither unprecedented nor dangerous. He had read the morning headlines

Guardian: Cabal of climate sceptics to descend on UK parliament

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/oct/25/climate-fools-day-sceptics-parliament

Telegraph: Climate sceptics launch campaign to overturn green targets

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8088204/Climate-sceptics-launch-campaign-to-overturn-green-targets.html

Telegraph: “These guys are a remnant group of dinosaurs trying to argue something while frankly the public and political debate has moved on.” from Bob Ward, Policy and Communicatios Director, Grantham Institute.

Revd Philip Foster started with

Fellow dinosaurs, deniars, flat-earthers we are here today to encourage the Member’s of Parliament to repeal the Climate Change Act”.

He spoke well and confidentally, I imagine 30 years in the pulpit gives very good public speaking skills. He talked about past climate, demonstrating that the climate today was neither unprecedented or a concern.

Revd Philip Foster finished with:

Belief and Trust is for GOD, Scepticism is for Scientists

Piers Corbyn: astrophysicist, founder and director of Weather Action long range forecasting

Piers spoke about how the Sun drove the earth’s weather and climate not CO2, he gave a good presentation in front of a receptive audience. He receives a very bad press from the CAGW http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/sep/21/climate-sceptics-evidence-gullible ‘consensus’ media as he is all to easily described by them as a ‘climate denying’ eccentric scientist, (with appropriate hair) but the fact is Weather Action http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.asp?p=wact5

seems to outperform the ‘warmist’ UK Met Office medium and long term weather forecasting, the UK Met Office no longer actively promotes their seasonal forecasts, such was the public and press laughter at their recent ‘barbecue summer’ and ‘wet and mild’ winter predictions.

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/3/5/met-office-to-scrap-seasonal-forecasts.html

Piers demonstrated in his presentation that the IPCC computer model predictions/scenarios for temperatures were higher than actual temperatures in the 21st century.

Peter Gill: Physicist

He described how CO2 has had a bad press, neither toxic nor a pollutant. He covered issues like different definitions of CO2 ‘residence time’, actual amounts of anthropogenic CO2 vs biomass and oceans. The fact that the IPCC have a preference for low ice core figures for the amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, against over 90,000 historic direct measurements of percentages of CO2 in the atmosphere.

One interesting point of discussion was if the IPCC’s definition of CO2 residence time was correct, where had all the anthropogenic CO2 gone. He argues that the “variability of emissions and absorption by natural processes exceeds current anthropogenic emissions.”

Christopher Booker: Veteran Sunday Telegraph Columnist

(author: The Real Global Warming Scandal)

Spoke against the burdensome costs of renewables, including wind farms and solar in the UK and the Costs of the Climate Change Bill, 18.4 billion a year until 2050. He also spoke about the coming Energy gap in the UK, due to the coming closure (2015) of power stations due to the EU CO2 Emissions regulations.

His articles below best describe his presentation.

Renewables will add £880 a year to bills

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8068402/Renewables-will-add-880-a-year-to-bills.html

The Thanet wind farm will milk us for billions

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8025148/The-Thanet-wind-farm-will-milk-us-of-billions.html

Britain’s Energy Policy is in crisis

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8010926/Britains-energy-policy-is-in-crisis.html

Christopher Booker went into a detailed analysis about the craziness and vast cost and subsidies of the dash to wind farm technologies in the UK. He gave a convincing case that the dash to green technology would be ruinous for the UK economy. His fellow journalist James Delingpole, summarized the costs of the Climate Change act, in his Climate Fools Day blog article.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100060540/happy-climate-fools-day

Sammy Wilson (DUP MP): Former Northern Ireland Environment Minister

Sammy was the MP that sponsored the meeting, and thanked everyone for attending.

He told some anecdotes of his time as Environment minister in Northern Ireland, including his experience when he refused to allow the now notorious ‘Bedtime Stories’ TV Ad, to be shown in Northern Ireland, this was withdrawn in the rest of the UK following 900 complaints to ASA (they stopped accepting complaints after 900)http://www.asa.org.uk/Complaints-and-ASA-action/Adjudications/2010/3/Department-of-Energy-and-Climate-Change/TF_ADJ_48225.aspx

ACTONCO2 “Bedtime Stories” TV advertisement, October 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&hl=en-GB&v=w62gsctP2gc

This TV ad was part of the Department of Energy and Climate Change’s, £6 million campaign – Act On CO2, which in the run up to Copenhagen, features a small child being told a bedtime story about the CO2 monster, including drowning cartoon puppies.

I know nothing about Northern Ireland politicians, but I applaud him for that act of political rebellion. Sammy also said he refused to sign up pledges on emission cuts in Northern Ireland, for the very pragmatic political reason, that he would be criticized for failing to meet the pledge, as no one had any idea how to practically achieve them. He explained this with a smile, which probably explains why he is no longer the NI Environment Minister. Sammy came across as a friendly lively Member of Parliament, who I think the backbench MP’s may start to listen to.

John O Sullivan: Climate Realists

Gave a short speech and presented a $10,000 cheque to Piers Corbyn, from a US publisher Stairway Press ( US publisher of A J Montford’s – The Hockey Stick Illusion) They had chosen the Climate Fools Day to present the inaugural Ernst-Georg Beck Award, this was not directly a part of Climate Fools Day, see Climate Realists for the detail.

Dr Ian Strangeways: expert in meteorological thermometry

In the final minutes, reiterated the basic greenhouse physics of a doubling of CO2 levels ( ie an increase of 1.0C + or – 0.5C, his main interest is instrumentation, error skewing results in the temperature data sets and issues like thermometer shrinkage causing an increase in readings over time in the historic datasets.

Both Piers Corbyn and Peter Gill gave their presentations at a Climate Fools Day conference at Imperial College the following day, with the BBC’s Roger Harrabin attending.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/climate_fools_day/print.html

How was Climate Fools day perceived in Parliament?

The meeting had run out of time for a Q & A session, though a hearty debate continued in the corridors of parliament, before a large group went off to the nearest pub.

Two of the invited Members of Parliament failed to turn up, possibly these more prominent MP’s in the declared ‘green’ coalition government had been scared away from associating with sceptics and dinosaurs, because of the newspapers articles written prior to the meeting.

The meeting and presentation (slides, presentation skills, budget) were not a patch on the extremely well funded lobby groups like Greenpeace, WWF, that can afford in-house and external green PR professionals, which in the past means politicians will have dismissed them as amateurs, whilst of course the contradictory mantra of a well funded Climate Change fossil fuel deniers meme is rolled out at every opportunity.

If any passing MP’s or journalist were brave enough to look inside they perhaps might have chuckled and thought what were this group doing (average age 55 – to be kind) and perhaps have dismissed then as ’climate dinosaurs’.

A year ago, I might have thought the same about a retired mining engineer with a blog and a certain retired US TV weatherman’s website. Then On 20th Of November of last year, I followed a link from a UK motoring forum, to Watts Up and then had a read of Harry_read_me.txt for myself.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=205&t=775382&mid=990&i=0&nmt=Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations&mid=990

It has been reported that UK Energy Ministers only have meetings with Energy Companies lobbying for subsidies, and the environment groups like Greenpeace, WWF, Friends of the Erath, Oxfam, Christian Aid, etc (tip – Bishop Hill)

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/10/29/ministerial-meetings.html

The organizers of Climate Fools day intend to hold further meetings at the House of Commons, to explain to the MPs about a sceptical point of view. It may take a while for the leaderships of the political parties to move outside of the protective ‘green’ lobbying bubble that they have inhabited for a decade. I do believe that backbench MPs will start to listen to ‘Climate Sense’ as the economic consequence of the Climate Change act are becoming clear.

Climate Change (man made) in the Political context of the UK

One year ago, pre Copenhagen, the Labour Party had been in power for 13 years, the leadership of all UK political parties were convinced about climate change, the Climate Change Act had been passed. The European Union was pressing for ever wider ties between nation states and carbon taxation was considered a good means to raise an EU tax. The EU was trying to lead the world in unilateral emissions cuts and is berating the United States of America and other nations for failing in this area.

The Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the Minister for the Department of Energy and Climate Change, Ed Milliband used rhetoric such as:

Flat Earther, Sceptics, Climate Deniers, Anti science and worryingly Climate Saboteurs.

Gordon Brown went to Copenhagen saying ’50 days to save the planet’.

A year on from Copenhagen – There is a new UK government, a Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government, that finds that it actually has to do something soon, not a convenient decade or 2 away.  There are now a few sceptical politicians, so as the age of austerity, massive UK budget deficit, the realities of the energy gap hit home, more politicians may start to take notice of these sceptical colleagues.

Over 6 million people in the UK are defined already as suffering from fuel poverty,

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fuel-bills-blamed-for-50-rise-in-winter-deaths-1826917.html the dash to immature green technologies underwritten by massive subsidies will push energy bills for these poor and vulnerable people ever higher.

Or perhaps the populations of the developing countries will reject catastrophic (man made) climate change. Rev Philip Foster spoke that the governments in the developing world saw that the West would look after their own interests at Copenhagen, the poor of those countries already knew they would never have actually seen any of the Western money anyway. It would have just disappeared into developing countries governmental elites pockets or absorbed into the NGO’s

I personally would love the super rich Al Gore to have a debate, about the effects of Climate Change Legislation on millions of the world’s poorest people, with someone like the Rev. Philip Foster. He worked with the poor as a teacher in Africa in the 70’s and keeps in contact with former pupils from Africa (one now a Professor of Geography) he is equally concerned for the UK poor and for the untold millions of the world’s poorest in developing nations who will be denied cheap energy and held in poverty, for the romantic environmentalist notion of ‘saving the planet’ for future generations, whilst ignoring the reality now for the poor.

Some MP’s like Graham Stringer, who are now in political opposition to a declared ‘green’ coalition government are now concerned by the future implications of the Climate Change Act on the poorest most vulnerable members of their constituencies and in UK society and perhaps finally they will take a harder look at the science and at the lobbying of the environmentalist advocacy groups. .

As a ‘Climate Cynic’, I imagine that quite soon the short term concern of being re-elected will force his fellow politicians to re-look at IPCC consensus climate change and address these concerns.

Links:

A Public Climate Fools debate held at Imperial College.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/climate_fools_day/print.html

Climate Realists have some articles and photographs of the day, and their own perspective of Climate Fools Day, at the links below. (a full video will follow, according to Piers Corbyn)

http://climaterealists.com/?id=6553

http://climaterealists.com/?id=6552

http://climaterealists.com/?id=6551

Who are the Climate Fools? – Climate Fools Day

 

 

According to the newspapers a ‘cabal of sceptics’ and ‘dinosaurs’ descended on London on Climate Fools Day. I actually attended the Climate Fools Day meeting in the House of Commons on 27th October 2010, unlike the mainstream media who stayed away.

 

In the UK, a few politicians are just realizing that in 5 years time (around the time of the next election) about one third of the UK power stations will be FORCED to close to meet strict new European Union Pollution (CO2 emissions) rules.

 

One of these politicians is Graham Stringer MP, he is on the Science and Technology Committee in the House of Commons, his concern is for the poor. It is perhaps now dawning on some other backbench MP’s that ‘keeping the lights’ on, may be more important than ‘saving the planet’ in 50 – 100 years time, to the majority of general public that actually vote for them.

 

So who are the Climate Fools?

 

According to Climate Sense they were the 620 UK Members of Parliament from across all political parties that in 2008 voted for the Climate Change Act that committed the UK to 80% reductions in CO2 emissions by 2050. The UK was the first country in the world and remains the only country to commit to this level of reductions, which has had massive implications to energy policy and investment in energy production in the UK.

 

Only 4 MP’s voted against the Act, only one MP Peter Lilley queried the costs:

 

Neither Parliament nor most of the media bothered to discuss the cost of one of the most immense projects ever adopted in this country”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7746126.stm

 

As the bill was passed, it was brought to the attention of the House of Commons that for the first time in over 73 years snow was falling in October in London.

 

Thus, on the 2nd anniversary of the 2008 Climate Change Act, there were two events in the UK Houses of Parliament that were of interest to ‘climate sceptics’, ‘climate heretics’, ‘lukewarmers’ ‘climate deniers’ and ‘climate dinosaurs’ alike. Climate Fools Day and the Science & Technology Select Committee (including Graham Stringer MP) were interviewing Acton, Davies and Sir Muir Russell about some of the discrepancies of the various UK Climategate inquiries.

 

According to Jens Robdrup, the founder of Climate Sense and the Reverend Philip Foster, the intention of Climate Fools Day (sponsored by Graham Stringer MP, Sammy Wilson MP) was the launch of a campaign to lobby the politicians with the intent to repeal the Climate Change Act.

 

As no single UK politician, at the time of voting or since has ANY real idea of how to actually achieve the UK and EU targets for CO2 emissions.

 

The Climate Sense group is made up of Copenhagen Climate Challenge,

http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/

, Weather Action http://www.weatheraction.com

and the Campaign Against Carbon Capitalism

,who previously sent the Copenhagen Challenge to the UN and recently to Prince Charles on the behalf of climate sceptics. The challenge asked the UN and the Prince, who has accused sceptics of “peddling pseudo science”, to prove climate change is happening and is signed by 166 scientists. (including Anthony Watts, Bob Carter, Vincent Gray, Richard Lindzen, Nils-Axel Morner, Ian Plimer, Fred Singer and David Bellamy)

http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64

 

My thoughts of the Climate Fools Meeting

 

It was a small enthusiastic, slightly eccentric looking meeting of about 70 people – aimed at persuading MP’s of the folly of the Climate Change Act, (they needed a bigger room than originally planned) Graham Stringer was not there, still busy with the outcome of the morning’s select committee meeting, but according to the Telegraph and the organizers he is now a climate sceptic MP.

 

Graham Capper: Copenhagen Climate Challenge – acted as the chair

 

Jens Robdrup: Founder of Climate Sense

 

Discussed Denmark’s experience with Green Wind farm technology, spoke first describing the Danish experience with wind farms. Talking about the highest energy bills in Europe, massive costs, subsidies and failure of energy policy and that all the promised green jobs seemed to have been created in China.

 

Revd Philip Foster – Climate Sense – A retired English vicar.

 

He is author of “While the Earth Endures: Creation Cosmology and Climate Change”

(he is also the UK publisher of – Climategate: the CRUtape Letters)

 

He spoke enthusiastically and confidently about the earth’s previous climate, and how current temperatures were neither unprecedented nor dangerous. He had read the morning headlines

 

Guardian: Cabal of climate sceptics to descend on UK parliament

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/oct/25/climate-fools-day-sceptics-parliament

Telegraph: Climate sceptics launch campaign to overturn green targets

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8088204/Climate-sceptics-launch-campaign-to-overturn-green-targets.html

(with a photo of a smoking chmimmney stack)

Telegraph: “These guys are a remnant group of dinosaurs trying to argue something while frankly the public and political debate has moved on.” from Bob Ward, Policy and Communicatios Director, Grantham Institute.

Revd Philip Foster started with

Fellow dinosaurs, deniars, flat-earthers we are here today to encourage the Member’s of Parliament to repeal the Climate Change Act”.

He spoke well and confidentally, I imagine 30 years in the pulpit gives very good public speaking skills. He talked about past climate, demonstrating that the climate today was neither unprecedented or a concern.

Revd Philip Foster finished with:

Belief and Trust is for GOD, Scepticism is for Scientists

Piers Corbyn: astrophysicist, founder and director of Weather Action long range forecasting

 

Piers spoke about how the Sun drove the earth’s weather and climate not CO2, he gave a good presentation in front of a receptive audience. He receives a very bad press from the CAGW http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/sep/21/climate-sceptics-evidence-gullible ‘consensus’ media as he is all to easily described by them as a ‘climate denying’ eccentric scientist, (with appropriate hair) but the fact is Weather Action http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.asp?p=wact5

seems to outperform the ‘warmist’ UK Met Office medium and long term weather forecasting, the UK Met Office no longer actively promotes their seasonal forecasts, such was the public and press laughter at their recent ‘barbecue summer’ and ‘wet and mild’ winter predictions.

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/3/5/met-office-to-scrap-seasonal-forecasts.html

Piers demonstrated in his presentation that the IPCC computer model predictions/scenarios for temperatures were higher than actual temperatures in the 21st century.

 

Peter Gill: Physicist

 

He described how CO2 has had a bad press, neither toxic nor a pollutant. He covered issues like different definitions of CO2 ‘residence time’, actual amounts of anthropogenic CO2 vs biomass and oceans. The fact that the IPCC have a preference for low ice core figures for the amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, against over 90,000 historic direct measurements of percentages of CO2 in the atmosphere.

One interesting point of discussion was if the IPCC’s definition of CO2 residence time was correct, where had all the anthropogenic CO2 gone. He argues that the “variability of emissions and absorption by natural processes exceeds current anthropogenic emissions.”

Christopher Booker: Veteran Sunday Telegraph Columnist

(author: The Real Global Warming Scandal)

 

Spoke against the burdensome costs of renewables, including wind farms and solar in the UK and the Costs of the Climate Change Bill, 18.4 billion a year until 2050. He also spoke about the coming Energy gap in the UK, due to the coming closure (2015) of power stations due to the EU CO2 Emissions regulations.

 

His articles below best describe his presentation.

 

Renewables will add £880 a year to bills

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8068402/Renewables-will-add-880-a-year-to-bills.html

 

The Thanet wind farm will milk us for billions

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8025148/The-Thanet-wind-farm-will-milk-us-of-billions.html

 

Britain’s Energy Policy is in crisis

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8010926/Britains-energy-policy-is-in-crisis.html

 

Christopher Booker went into a detailed analysis about the craziness and vast cost and subsidies of the dash to wind farm technologies in the UK. He gave a convincing case that the dash to green technology would be ruinous for the UK economy. His fellow journalist James Delingpole, summarized the costs of the Climate Change act, in his Climate Fools Day blog article.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100060540/happy-climate-fools-day

 

 

Sammy Wilson (DUP MP): Former Northern Ireland Environment Minister

 

Sammy was the MP that sponsored the meeting, and thanked everyone for attending.

He told some anecdotes of his time as Environment minister in Northern Ireland, including his experience when he refused to allow the now notorious ‘Bedtime Stories’ TV Ad, to be shown in Northern Ireland, this was withdrawn in the rest of the UK following 900 complaints to ASA (they stopped accepting complaints after 900)http://www.asa.org.uk/Complaints-and-ASA-action/Adjudications/2010/3/Department-of-Energy-and-Climate-Change/TF_ADJ_48225.aspx

 

ACTONCO2 “Bedtime Stories” TV advertisement, October 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&hl=en-GB&v=w62gsctP2gc

 

This TV ad was part of the Department of Energy and Climate Change’s, £6 million campaign – Act On CO2, which in the run up to Copenhagen, features a small child being told a bedtime story about the CO2 monster, including drowning cartoon puppies.

 

I know nothing about Northern Ireland politicians, but I applaud him for that act of political rebellion. Sammy also said he refused to sign up pledges on emission cuts in Northern Ireland, for the very pragmatic political reason, that he would be criticized for failing to meet the pledge, as no one had any idea how to practically achieve them. He explained this with a smile, which probably explains why he is no longer the NI Environment Minister. Sammy came across as a friendly lively Member of Parliament, who I think the backbench MP’s may start to listen to.

 

John O Sullivan: Climate Realists

Gave a short speech and presented a $10,000 cheque to Piers Corbyn, from a US publisher Stairway Press ( US publisher of A J Montford’s – The Hockey Stick Illusion) They had chosen the Climate Fools Day to present the inaugural Ernst-Georg Beck Award, this was not directly a part of Climate Fools Day, see Climate Realists for the detail.

Dr Ian Strangeways: expert in meteorological thermometry

In the final minutes, reiterated the basic greenhouse physics of a doubling of CO2 levels ( ie an increase of 1.0C + or – 0.5C, his main interest is instrumentation, error skewing results in the temperature data sets and issues like thermometer shrinkage causing an increase in readings over time in the historic datasets.

 

Both Piers Corbyn and Peter Gill gave their presentations at a Climate Fools Day conference at Imperial College the following day, with the BBC’s Roger Harrabin attending.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/climate_fools_day/print.html

 

How was Climate Fools day perceived in Parliament?

The meeting had run out of time for a Q & A session, though a hearty debate continued in the corridors of parliament, before a large group went off to the nearest pub.

 

Two of the invited Members of Parliament failed to turn up, possibly these more prominent MP’s in the declared ‘green’ coalition government had been scared away from associating with sceptics and dinosaurs, because of the newspapers articles written prior to the meeting.

 

The meeting and presentation (slides, presentation skills, budget) were not a patch on the extremely well funded lobby groups like Greenpeace, WWF, that can afford in-house and external green PR professionals, which in the past means politicians will have dismissed them as amateurs, whilst of course the contradictory mantra of a well funded Climate Change fossil fuel deniers meme is rolled out at every opportunity.

 

If any passing MP’s or journalist were brave enough to look inside they perhaps might have chuckled and thought what were this group doing (average age 55 – to be kind) and perhaps have dismissed then as ’climate dinosaurs’.

 

A year ago, I might have thought the same about a retired mining engineer with a blog and a certain retired US TV weatherman’s website. Then On 20th Of November of last year, I followed a link from a UK motoring forum, to Watts Up and then had a read of Harry_read_me.txt for myself.

 

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=205&t=775382&mid=990&i=0&nmt=Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations&mid=990

 

It has been reported that UK Energy Ministers only have meetings with Energy Companies lobbying for subsidies, and the environment groups like Greenpeace, WWF, Friends of the Erath, Oxfam, Christian Aid, etc (tip – Bishop Hill)

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/10/29/ministerial-meetings.html

 

The organizers of Climate Fools day intend to hold further meetings at the House of Commons, to explain to the MPs about a sceptical point of view. It may take a while for the leaderships of the political parties to move outside of the protective ‘green’ lobbying bubble that they have inhabited for a decade. I do believe that backbench MPs will start to listen to ‘Climate Sense’ as the economic consequence of the Climate Change act are becoming clear.

 

Climate Change (man made) in the Political context of the UK

 

One year ago, pre Copenhagen, the Labour Party had been in power for 13 years, the leadership of all UK political parties were convinced about climate change, the Climate Change Act had been passed. The European Union was pressing for ever wider ties between nation states and carbon taxation was considered a good means to raise an EU tax. The EU was trying to lead the world in unilateral emissions cuts and is berating the United States of America and other nations for failing in this area.

 

The Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the Minister for the Department of Energy and Climate Change, Ed Milliband used rhetoric such as:

 

Flat Earther, Sceptics, Climate Deniers, Anti science and worryingly Climate Saboteurs.

 

Gordon Brown went to Copenhagen saying ’50 days to save the planet’.

 

A year on from Copenhagen – There is a new UK government, a Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government, that finds that it actually has to do something soon, not a convenient decade or 2 away.  There are now a few sceptical politicians, so as the age of austerity, massive UK budget deficit, the realities of the energy gap hit home, more politicians may start to take notice of these sceptical colleagues.

 

Over 6 million people in the UK are defined already as suffering from fuel poverty,

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fuel-bills-blamed-for-50-rise-in-winter-deaths-1826917.html the dash to immature green technologies underwritten by massive subsidies will push energy bills for these poor and vulnerable people ever higher.

 

 

Or perhaps the populations of the developing countries will reject catastrophic (man made) climate change. Rev Philip Foster spoke that the governments in the developing world saw that the West would look after their own interests at Copenhagen, the poor of those countries already knew they would never have actually seen any of the Western money anyway. It would have just disappeared into developing countries governmental elites pockets or absorbed into the NGO’s

 

I personally would love the super rich Al Gore to have a debate, about the effects of Climate Change Legislation on millions of the world’s poorest people, with someone like the Rev. Philip Foster. He worked with the poor as a teacher in Africa in the 70’s and keeps in contact with former pupils from Africa (one now a Professor of Geography) he is equally concerned for the UK poor and for the untold millions of the world’s poorest in developing nations who will be denied cheap energy and held in poverty, for the romantic environmentalist notion of ‘saving the planet’ for future generations, whilst ignoring the reality now for the poor.

 

Some MP’s like Graham Stringer, who are now in political opposition to a declared ‘green’ coalition government are now concerned by the future implications of the Climate Change Act on the poorest most vulnerable members of their constituencies and in UK society and perhaps finally they will take a harder look at the science and at the lobbying of the environmentalist advocacy groups. .

 

As a ‘Climate Cynic’, I imagine that quite soon the short term concern of being re-elected will force his fellow politicians to re-look at IPCC consensus climate change and address these concerns.

 

Links:

 

A Public Climate Fools debate held at Imperial College.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/climate_fools_day/print.html

 

 

Climate Realists have some articles and photographs of the day, and their own perspective of Climate Fools Day, at the links below. (a full video will follow, according to Piers Corbyn)

http://climaterealists.com/?id=6553

http://climaterealists.com/?id=6552

http://climaterealists.com/?id=6551

Who are the Climate Fools? – Climate Fools Day

According to the newspapers a ‘cabal of sceptics’ and ‘dinosaurs’ descended on London on Climate Fools Day. I actually attended the Climate Fools Day meeting in the House of Commons on 27th October 2010, unlike the mainstream media who stayed away.

In the UK, a few politicians are just realizing that in 5 years time (around the time of the next election) about one third of the UK power stations will be FORCED to close to meet strict new European Union Pollution (CO2 emissions) rules.

One of these politicians is Graham Stringer MP, he is on the Science and Technology Committee in the House of Commons, his concern is for the poor. It is perhaps now dawning on some other backbench MP’s that ‘keeping the lights’ on, may be more important than ‘saving the planet’ in 50 – 100 years time, to the majority of general public that actually vote for them.

So who are the Climate Fools?

According to Climate Sense they were the 620 UK Members of Parliament from across all political parties that in 2008 voted for the Climate Change Act that committed the UK to 80% reductions in CO2 emissions by 2050. The UK was the first country in the world and remains the only country to commit to this level of reductions, which has had massive implications to energy policy and investment in energy production in the UK.

Only 4 MP’s voted against the Act, only one MP Peter Lilley queried the costs:

Neither Parliament nor most of the media bothered to discuss the cost of one of the most immense projects ever adopted in this country”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7746126.stm

As the bill was passed, it was brought to the attention of the House of Commons that for the first time in over 73 years snow was falling in October in London.

Thus, on the 2nd anniversary of the 2008 Climate Change Act, there were two events in the UK Houses of Parliament that were of interest to ‘climate sceptics’, ‘climate heretics’, ‘lukewarmers’ ‘climate deniers’ and ‘climate dinosaurs’ alike. Climate Fools Day and the Science & Technology Select Committee (including Graham Stringer MP) were interviewing Acton, Davies and Sir Muir Russell about some of the discrepancies of the various UK Climategate inquiries.

According to Jens Robdrup, the founder of Climate Sense and the Reverend Philip Foster, the intention of Climate Fools Day (sponsored by Graham Stringer MP, Sammy Wilson MP) was the launch of a campaign to lobby the politicians with the intent to repeal the Climate Change Act.

As no single UK politician, at the time of voting or since has ANY real idea of how to actually achieve the UK and EU targets for CO2 emissions.

The Climate Sense group is made up of Copenhagen Climate Challenge,

http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/

, Weather Action http://www.weatheraction.com

and the Campaign Against Carbon Capitalism

,who previously sent the Copenhagen Challenge to the UN and recently to Prince Charles on the behalf of climate sceptics. The challenge asked the UN and the Prince, who has accused sceptics of “peddling pseudo science”, to prove climate change is happening and is signed by 166 scientists. (including Anthony Watts, Bob Carter, Vincent Gray, Richard Lindzen, Nils-Axel Morner, Ian Plimer, Fred Singer and David Bellamy)

http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64

My thoughts of the Climate Fools Meeting

It was a small enthusiastic, slightly eccentric looking meeting of about 70 people – aimed at persuading MP’s of the folly of the Climate Change Act, (they needed a bigger room than originally planned) Graham Stringer was not there, still busy with the outcome of the morning’s select committee meeting, but according to the Telegraph and the organizers he is now a climate sceptic MP.

Graham Capper: Copenhagen Climate Challenge – acted as the chair

Jens Robdrup: Founder of Climate Sense

Discussed Denmark’s experience with Green Wind farm technology, spoke first describing the Danish experience with wind farms. Talking about the highest energy bills in Europe, massive costs, subsidies and failure of energy policy and that all the promised green jobs seemed to have been created in China.

Revd Philip Foster – Climate Sense – A retired English vicar.

He is author of “While the Earth Endures: Creation Cosmology and Climate Change”

(he is also the UK publisher of – Climategate: the CRUtape Letters)

He spoke enthusiastically and confidently about the earth’s previous climate, and how current temperatures were neither unprecedented nor dangerous. He had read the morning headlines

Guardian: Cabal of climate sceptics to descend on UK parliament

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/oct/25/climate-fools-day-sceptics-parliament

Telegraph: Climate sceptics launch campaign to overturn green targets

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8088204/Climate-sceptics-launch-campaign-to-overturn-green-targets.html

(with a photo of a smoking chmimmney stack)

Telegraph: “These guys are a remnant group of dinosaurs trying to argue something while frankly the public and political debate has moved on.” from Bob Ward, Policy and Communicatios Director, Grantham Institute.

Revd Philip Foster started with

Fellow dinosaurs, deniars, flat-earthers we are here today to encourage the Member’s of Parliament to repeal the Climate Change Act”.

He spoke well and confidentally, I imagine 30 years in the pulpit gives very good public speaking skills. He talked about past climate, demonstrating that the climate today was neither unprecedented or a concern.

Revd Philip Foster finished with:

Belief and Trust is for GOD, Scepticism is for Scientists

Piers Corbyn: astrophysicist, founder and director of Weather Action long range forecasting

Piers spoke about how the Sun drove the earth’s weather and climate not CO2, he gave a good presentation in front of a receptive audience. He receives a very bad press from the CAGW http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/sep/21/climate-sceptics-evidence-gullible ‘consensus’ media as he is all to easily described by them as a ‘climate denying’ eccentric scientist, (with appropriate hair) but the fact is Weather Action http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.asp?p=wact5

seems to outperform the ‘warmist’ UK Met Office medium and long term weather forecasting, the UK Met Office no longer actively promotes their seasonal forecasts, such was the public and press laughter at their recent ‘barbecue summer’ and ‘wet and mild’ winter predictions.

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/3/5/met-office-to-scrap-seasonal-forecasts.html

Piers demonstrated in his presentation that the IPCC computer model predictions/scenarios for temperatures were higher than actual temperatures in the 21st century.

Peter Gill: Physicist

He described how CO2 has had a bad press, neither toxic nor a pollutant. He covered issues like different definitions of CO2 ‘residence time’, actual amounts of anthropogenic CO2 vs biomass and oceans. The fact that the IPCC have a preference for low ice core figures for the amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere, against over 90,000 historic direct measurements of percentages of CO2 in the atmosphere.

One interesting point of discussion was if the IPCC’s definition of CO2 residence time was correct, where had all the anthropogenic CO2 gone. He argues that the “variability of emissions and absorption by natural processes exceeds current anthropogenic emissions.”

Christopher Booker: Veteran Sunday Telegraph Columnist

(author: The Real Global Warming Scandal)

Spoke against the burdensome costs of renewables, including wind farms and solar in the UK and the Costs of the Climate Change Bill, 18.4 billion a year until 2050. He also spoke about the coming Energy gap in the UK, due to the coming closure (2015) of power stations due to the EU CO2 Emissions regulations.

His articles below best describe his presentation.

Renewables will add £880 a year to bills

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8068402/Renewables-will-add-880-a-year-to-bills.html

The Thanet wind farm will milk us for billions

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8025148/The-Thanet-wind-farm-will-milk-us-of-billions.html

Britain’s Energy Policy is in crisis

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8010926/Britains-energy-policy-is-in-crisis.html

Christopher Booker went into a detailed analysis about the craziness and vast cost and subsidies of the dash to wind farm technologies in the UK. He gave a convincing case that the dash to green technology would be ruinous for the UK economy. His fellow journalist James Delingpole, summarized the costs of the Climate Change act, in his Climate Fools Day blog article.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100060540/happy-climate-fools-day

Sammy Wilson (DUP MP): Former Northern Ireland Environment Minister

Sammy was the MP that sponsored the meeting, and thanked everyone for attending.

He told some anecdotes of his time as Environment minister in Northern Ireland, including his experience when he refused to allow the now notorious ‘Bedtime Stories’ TV Ad, to be shown in Northern Ireland, this was withdrawn in the rest of the UK following 900 complaints to ASA (they stopped accepting complaints after 900)http://www.asa.org.uk/Complaints-and-ASA-action/Adjudications/2010/3/Department-of-Energy-and-Climate-Change/TF_ADJ_48225.aspx

ACTONCO2 “Bedtime Stories” TV advertisement, October 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&hl=en-GB&v=w62gsctP2gc

This TV ad was part of the Department of Energy and Climate Change’s, £6 million campaign – Act On CO2, which in the run up to Copenhagen, features a small child being told a bedtime story about the CO2 monster, including drowning cartoon puppies.

I know nothing about Northern Ireland politicians, but I applaud him for that act of political rebellion. Sammy also said he refused to sign up pledges on emission cuts in Northern Ireland, for the very pragmatic political reason, that he would be criticized for failing to meet the pledge, as no one had any idea how to practically achieve them. He explained this with a smile, which probably explains why he is no longer the NI Environment Minister. Sammy came across as a friendly lively Member of Parliament, who I think the backbench MP’s may start to listen to.

John O Sullivan: Climate Realists

Gave a short speech and presented a $10,000 cheque to Piers Corbyn, from a US publisher Stairway Press ( US publisher of A J Montford’s – The Hockey Stick Illusion) They had chosen the Climate Fools Day to present the inaugural Ernst-Georg Beck Award, this was not directly a part of Climate Fools Day, see Climate Realists for the detail.

Dr Ian Strangeways: expert in meteorological thermometry

In the final minutes, reiterated the basic greenhouse physics of a doubling of CO2 levels ( ie an increase of 1.0C + or – 0.5C, his main interest is instrumentation, error skewing results in the temperature data sets and issues like thermometer shrinkage causing an increase in readings over time in the historic datasets.

Both Piers Corbyn and Peter Gill gave their presentations at a Climate Fools Day conference at Imperial College the following day, with the BBC’s Roger Harrabin attending.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/climate_fools_day/print.html

How was Climate Fools day perceived in Parliament?

The meeting had run out of time for a Q & A session, though a hearty debate continued in the corridors of parliament, before a large group went off to the nearest pub.

Two of the invited Members of Parliament failed to turn up, possibly these more prominent MP’s in the declared ‘green’ coalition government had been scared away from associating with sceptics and dinosaurs, because of the newspapers articles written prior to the meeting.

The meeting and presentation (slides, presentation skills, budget) were not a patch on the extremely well funded lobby groups like Greenpeace, WWF, that can afford in-house and external green PR professionals, which in the past means politicians will have dismissed them as amateurs, whilst of course the contradictory mantra of a well funded Climate Change fossil fuel deniers meme is rolled out at every opportunity.

If any passing MP’s or journalist were brave enough to look inside they perhaps might have chuckled and thought what were this group doing (average age 55 – to be kind) and perhaps have dismissed then as ’climate dinosaurs’.

A year ago, I might have thought the same about a retired mining engineer with a blog and a certain retired US TV weatherman’s website. Then On 20th Of November of last year, I followed a link from a UK motoring forum, to Watts Up and then had a read of Harry_read_me.txt for myself.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=205&t=775382&mid=990&i=0&nmt=Climate Cat out of the Bag? Potentially dynamite revelations&mid=990

It has been reported that UK Energy Ministers only have meetings with Energy Companies lobbying for subsidies, and the environment groups like Greenpeace, WWF, Friends of the Erath, Oxfam, Christian Aid, etc (tip – Bishop Hill)

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/10/29/ministerial-meetings.html

The organizers of Climate Fools day intend to hold further meetings at the House of Commons, to explain to the MPs about a sceptical point of view. It may take a while for the leaderships of the political parties to move outside of the protective ‘green’ lobbying bubble that they have inhabited for a decade. I do believe that backbench MPs will start to listen to ‘Climate Sense’ as the economic consequence of the Climate Change act are becoming clear.

Climate Change (man made) in the Political context of the UK

One year ago, pre Copenhagen, the Labour Party had been in power for 13 years, the leadership of all UK political parties were convinced about climate change, the Climate Change Act had been passed. The European Union was pressing for ever wider ties between nation states and carbon taxation was considered a good means to raise an EU tax. The EU was trying to lead the world in unilateral emissions cuts and is berating the United States of America and other nations for failing in this area.

The Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the Minister for the Department of Energy and Climate Change, Ed Milliband used rhetoric such as:

Flat Earther, Sceptics, Climate Deniers, Anti science and worryingly Climate Saboteurs.

Gordon Brown went to Copenhagen saying ’50 days to save the planet’.

A year on from Copenhagen – There is a new UK government, a Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government, that finds that it actually has to do something soon, not a convenient decade or 2 away.  There are now a few sceptical politicians, so as the age of austerity, massive UK budget deficit, the realities of the energy gap hit home, more politicians may start to take notice of these sceptical colleagues.

Over 6 million people in the UK are defined already as suffering from fuel poverty,

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fuel-bills-blamed-for-50-rise-in-winter-deaths-1826917.html the dash to immature green technologies underwritten by massive subsidies will push energy bills for these poor and vulnerable people ever higher.

Or perhaps the populations of the developing countries will reject catastrophic (man made) climate change. Rev Philip Foster spoke that the governments in the developing world saw that the West would look after their own interests at Copenhagen, the poor of those countries already knew they would never have actually seen any of the Western money anyway. It would have just disappeared into developing countries governmental elites pockets or absorbed into the NGO’s

I personally would love the super rich Al Gore to have a debate, about the effects of Climate Change Legislation on millions of the world’s poorest people, with someone like the Rev. Philip Foster. He worked with the poor as a teacher in Africa in the 70’s and keeps in contact with former pupils from Africa (one now a Professor of Geography) he is equally concerned for the UK poor and for the untold millions of the world’s poorest in developing nations who will be denied cheap energy and held in poverty, for the romantic environmentalist notion of ‘saving the planet’ for future generations, whilst ignoring the reality now for the poor.

Some MP’s like Graham Stringer, who are now in political opposition to a declared ‘green’ coalition government are now concerned by the future implications of the Climate Change Act on the poorest most vulnerable members of their constituencies and in UK society and perhaps finally they will take a harder look at the science and at the lobbying of the environmentalist advocacy groups. .

As a ‘Climate Cynic’, I imagine that quite soon the short term concern of being re-elected will force his fellow politicians to re-look at IPCC consensus climate change and address these concerns.

Links:

A Public Climate Fools debate held at Imperial College.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/climate_fools_day/print.html

Climate Realists have some articles and photographs of the day, and their own perspective of Climate Fools Day, at the links below. (a full video will follow, according to Piers Corbyn)

http://climaterealists.com/?id=6553

http://climaterealists.com/?id=6552

http://climaterealists.com/?id=6551

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74 thoughts on “Who are the Climate Fools? – Climate Fools Day Recap

  1. It’s almost funny to realize that none of these power plants are going to be shut down, none of these reductions are going to be made. They were only done because of a magical belief that acting “sincerely” would make things all better – and of course it would get other people to do the same. It’s kind of like Linus in the pumpkin patch waiting for the Great Pumpkin.

    And what happens when the shutdown time comes? They simply won’t do it, and then they’ll just say “never mind!” For the warmists, they’re going to find out why it’s so foolish to trust professional liars (politicians) on anything – they’re more than happy to go back and switch tracks no matter what they promised in the past.

    That’s the trick of Magical thinking – if you can magically make things better with stupid actions, it’s easy to come up with magic that will make things better if you don’t do anything at all.

  2. Brilliant post.

    Today the US, and particularly Californians have a chance of reversing the trend, and setting an example to the rest of the world.

    Apart from the Russians and Chinese, of course, who always knew AGW was a scam, and have watched their economies grow, as the US and European economies are reduced to begging

  3. Thanks Barry, I wondered how the event had gone, would of attended myself but didn’t find out about it until the day before from an Australian website.

    Perhaps the event will receive more publicity next year as the MSM plays catch up.

  4. Nice round-up Barry. Was not aware that the event was actually happening like this- i may have actually popped down to see if i could squeeze in had i known!

    Again it’s worth re-iterating to our American (and rest of the world) readers that it is the UK alone that has so far signed up to the crippling co2 reduction by 2050 scheme, lucky us.

    Finally- is anyone here following the uk-offshore wind turbine foundation fiasco?? The FOI reports are in and it doesn’t look good for the turbines…..

  5. It would be brilliant if those power stations that are due to shut down to give a single days demonstration across the UK to see what the future is like.

    It would also be a great opportunity for David Cameron to show off his daddy-in-laws wind turbines taking over from the fossil fuel ghastly beasts. :)

    The anti fossil fuel lobby along with the greeniac ploiticans would be rounded up and dumped in the Thames.

    Tbh, the coal industry accused so often of lobbying actually need to wake up and fight these numbskulls at there own game.

  6. Oops, some of the formating , font size and layout seems to have gone a bit wrong.
    The intention was to imbed the links in behind the text, only one graphic has made it in missing ones including; (Deniars, Playing Cards, below)

    Speakers – Christopher Booker and Sammy Wilson, MP have the place in the Guardians Deniars Hall of Shame.

    Guardian: (George Monbiot)
    Monbiot’s royal flush: Top 10 climate change deniers
    My shortlist of people who have done most for the denialist cause – in playing card form

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/mar/06/climate-change-deniers-top-10?showallcomments=true#end-of-comments

    The Guardian’s Latest….

    Guardian: Is climate science disinformation a crime against humanity?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2010/nov/01/climate-science-disinformation-crime

    Though a slight sense of reality may be sinking in.

    Guardian: Fantasy images of climate migration will fuel existing prejudices
    “Climate change is not a reason to use sensationalist images and language that would be unacceptable in any other public exhibition”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2010/oct/27/london-futures-climate-change-exhibition

    Never mind about the layout, some politicians are begining to realise the consequences of the various Climate Change Acts for the world’s poorest people.

    Even if, 1 in 10 floods in Bangladesh/Pakisatn were proved to be AGW, for example, the hundreds of billions being wasted on emmisions, carbon trading, carbon taxation, could be used to mitigate against the natural extreme weather events.

    Which of of course would also help the poor against any ‘extreme’ AGW events – (real or imagined)

    Could a mod, please tidy up the links, font sizes, and embed the links ,when they are in the middle of text… (the youtube ‘Bedtime Stories’ video was intented to be embedded as well)

    REPLY: The MS Word doc was horribly formatted. MS Word is the absolute worst tool to use for writing web content. None of the images were embedded properly, the formatting was wild. After trying to beat it into shape, I gave up. – Sorry. – Anthony

  7. This is the new slavery. If the energy prices triple and the middle to poor classes see food costs rise at the same rate, they will be dependent on federal aid to eat and stay warm. Ag commodities went up a lot last 2 months again. The currency is falling. We will be freezing and hungry if the socialists have thier way.

  8. The entire Western world has politicians who are making laws in total opposition to the benefit of their citizens. And they only care when their poltical seat is in doubt because of their actions. Why, because their philosophy is in opposition to that of their voters.

  9. A correction, please…

    Stairway Press is not the publisher of The Hockey Stick Illusion. I am reselling this fabulous book with a bookplate signed by the Bish (while the supply lasts) and I’m happy to do anything I can to promote this lovely book. However, as pleased as I would be to be the publisher of this book, I do not have this honor (it is published by Stacey International).

  10. Let us hope that leaders will take up these challenges, and think through their policies. They will not be thanked for it by many of their short-sighted colleagues. But deaths are mounting already from inflated energy prices and policies. This news needs to get around.

    In the US we elect some new leaders today. Then they must learn their new jobs. Let us encourage them stay grounded in reality, not utopian dreams, well-funded or otherwise.

  11. The British public is getting pretty sick of the so-called “green” lobby. For a start, they’re all hypocrites. Do we really believe that after a hard day’s putting up of our carbon taxes, they walk/cycle/roller-skate home to keep themselves and their children in a “carbon-free” house, the only heat and light coming from a couple of tallow candles around which they cluster while feeling so smug about “saving the planet”?

    In fact, most of these eco-fascists have a nice standard of living thank you very much, and some of them have become very rich indeed promoting all sorts of climate scares (i.e. lying to the mainstream media and governments and dressing it all up in pseudo-scientific language).

    Yesterday, a new set of carbon taxes was imposed upon all flights leaving the UK. These are not small amounts, either. For example, a family of four flying to Florida will have to pay an extra £240. It’s this sort of thing that starts making people question why they are paying these taxes and start asking where the money is going and what good is it doing to the environment.

    When the EU Carbon Exchange opens this tax will jump again along with a most prices because it’s actually a tax on all human activity so the tax can land on anything. If they could slap a meter on our lungs and charge us for breathing, they would.

    As the weather gets colder, and none of the disasters predicted by the global warming liars and their “useful idiot” mouthpieces, more and more of the public will see this massive fraud for what it is.

  12. Perhaps the ‘road to madness’ that Britain has gone down is all meant to be. Perhaps the world needs to see a Britain, suffering the consequences of its climate policy madness. I hope we do see this. Why? Because we would see the misery suffered by the British people, and the damage done to the British economy, which would send a message… how could so few (British Parliamentarians), have caused so much chaos and harm (social and economic) to so many (the people) in pursuit of a false political ‘man-made global warming’ dogma?

  13. The “spin” coming from the promoters is amazing.

    Telegraph: “These guys are a remnant group of dinosaurs trying to argue something while frankly the public and political debate has moved on.” from Bob Ward, Policy and Communicatios Director, Grantham Institute.

    The public hasn’t moved on, they’ve been led on by a concerted effort to steer them to the desired conclusions. And even then, the public are not solidly behind the promoters.

    Amazing. What hubris.

  14. REPLY: The MS Word doc was horribly formatted. MS Word is the absolute worst tool to use for writing web content. None of the images were embedded properly, the formatting was wild. After trying to beat it into shape, I gave up. – Sorry. – Anthony

    Hi Anthony.

    Sorry for the formatting, as I said in an email, I didn’t it know how embedded links in word, would copy into wordpress… and I sent the graphics seperately (may have been lost in spam filter), I hoped that a mod could sort that out (I’m no expert at web content)

    Oh well we live and learn… (little 10:10 joke)

    Thank you very, very much for publishing it.

    I thought it worth talking about, how the political debate was non-existant in the last 15 years in the EU and UK, and only now are one or 2 politicians getting interested again as the consequences become real.

    AGW is always mixed up as a political issue in the USA, the debate at Watts up and all the US centric blogs reflect that and the issue is totally mixed up with US partisan politics.

    It is largely an apolitical issue in the UK and EU (ie ALL main party leaderships are commited to AGW consensus science)

    What is the best format for you, by the way….(I’m no web expert, as you can see!)

  15. If you think the British government’s aim of reducing co2 usage by 80% by 2050 is doomed to failure, you haven’t seen the Scottish government’s plans.
    The Scottish government (with the enthusiastic support of all the opposition parties) now thinks it can provide all of Scotland’s electricity from renewable sources by 2020. This ludicrous and completely impossible ambition is based on a green group’s proposals which claimed it was achievable. Even more bonkers, this aim is going to be achieved by (principally) wind power. When the wind doesn’t blow, presumably everyone here in Scotland is going to sit in the dark knitting sporrans.

  16. As Kate says…

    Guardian: Air passenger duty: environmentally necessary or cash-hoovering ruse?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/oct/29/air-passenger-duty-treasury

    To the government, air passenger duty is a necessary tax that helps offset aviation’s contribution to the UK’s carbon dioxide emissions. To the aviation industry, it is a cash-hoovering ruse, the proceeds of which far exceed the environmental cost of flying.

    The screw is also set to tighten for years to come. APD is expected to earn the Treasury £2.3bn this year, rising to £3.8bn by 2015 – an increase of 65%. The Treasury sidestepped the row today, saying it was introducing changes set by Gordon Brown’s administration.

  17. Good report. The meeting was great fun, informative and ended with a good positive message from Sammy Wilson. Can’t wait for the next one!

  18. Many thanks for putting up this report Barryt at WUWT, you have promoted the event very well and I hope your with us NEXT YEAR (I also hope this silly situation is over by then but I think not)

    A note to the USA readers, the use of the name “Climate Fools Day” is NOT exclusive to the UK, just drop me a line at Climate Realists and I will have changes made to the CFD site to promote your cause.

  19. It seems that there is a lot of people, in the western hemisphere, absolutely convinced and eagerly passionate to commit suicide. Perhaps it is their inevitable destiny, their unavoidable doom. What are we “sceptics peddling pseudo science”, no matter how well intentioned and altruistically, trying to avoid them going unequivocally to “somewhere else” over the rainbow to find a illusory “golden pot”, which we all know is hell itself, if they are so willingly committed to do so?
    I think the time has arrived to allow them, with our consciences absolutely free of any remorse, to achieve their most intimate and hysterical desires.
    Sometimes experience it is the best teacher, then, let’s them enjoy the experience!
    Anyway, as it is written in the “Apocalypse of Saint John”, there will be only 144,000 just people which will survive. :-)

  20. When the lights go out.

    1) The people will blame the power suppliers.
    2) The power suppliers will blame the regulators and policy.
    3) The regulators will blame the government.
    4) The government will blame the previous governments.
    5) The ex governments will blame the scientists and the suppliers.
    6) The sceptics will comb the internet to prove that they were all guilty.
    7) The PM will remind the public that we are all in the dark so that others will see what a noble thing we are doing to save the planet.
    8) The public will remind the PM that angry crowds don’t need electricity to express their noble opinion, unless it involves electrodes.

  21. Anthony, Sorry to see you didn’t make it into Moonbat’s playing cards! This is an outrageous oversite, IMHO.

  22. to Echo Golf Charley:

    Lab Munkey –
    “Finally- is anyone here following the uk-offshore wind turbine foundation fiasco?? “

    – Is there a link we can look at please?

  23. Is anyone among Climate Fools capable of stopping or prohibiting a Volcano to erupt?
    Monday 1st November 2010
    Grimsvotn Volcano, Iceland
    A possible eruption has begun at Grimsvotn volcano, Iceland. A flood has started in Gigja in south-east Iceland. The disturbance occurred under the Vatnajokull glacier near Grimsvotn Volcano on Sunday afternoon. There was an increase in flow of water by 30 cm but other rivers running from the glacier are dry. The flood may take 4-5 days to reach maximum. On Sunday the volume of water in Gigja was 130 cubic metres per second, and electrolyte levels double that of normal. Grimsvotn is the most active volcano in Iceland.

    http://www.volcanolive.com/news.html

  24. @Bill Toland

    I guess those Scottish politicos will follow the example of the rather scurrilous song “The Good Ship Venus”:
    “The first mate’s name was Carter
    By heck he was a f@rter
    When the wind wouldn’t blow
    And the ship wouldn’t go
    Carter the f@rter would start ‘er”
    :)

  25. This always depended on an ever larger flow of money to keep everybody pointing in the same direction. I just hope that when europe realises how weak our democracies has become to be taken over so easily by such tall tales they strip the EU back to the bare minimum of benefit to its citizens rather than its beaurocrats. There is hardly an institution left on the world stage with any credibility. Pretty much all of them have been selling not only the same problem but the same muppet solution – whatever their expertise is supposed to be. In my view this and the financial crisis are interlinked, the west is heading to insolvency and this is going to be a roller coaster ride.

    Maybe there is a bigger point, however. Agriculture freed up people for the industrial revolution. Potentially we now have too many people to be actively employed in industry and agriculture combined. I don’t believe in Malthusian overpopulation, but Moore’s law pretty well shows you can’t just throw resources into advancement. Maybe the human race needs a new challenge – something to keep busy all those idle hands. Space exploration perhaps – something that really would leave a legacy and provide new tools if ever there were a real crisis.

  26. Hi Barry

    Many thanks for posting this article at WUWT, you have helped us to promote this event use in the future.

    If there are people wishing to use the name “Climate Fools Day” to drop me a line at ClimateRealists.com, and I will change the heading to promote your event etc.

    Gabriel

  27. The scientific debate has never to my knowledge “moved on”. The politics did for sure. Not the scientific debate, that’s still raging. First of all you send in the sleepers, people who are carefully put forward as this candidate or that candidate for public service, who have your sympathies at heart, they could be scientists, political advisors, people in authority, etc, gradually taking over everywhere political influence can be exercised, any place of authority. Give them money, lots of money, because everyone wants to please their paymasters. The objective, as all good card carrying green socialists will tell you, (who learned from Goebbels so well), is to advance the “political debate” on as quickly as possible, to create a state of fear with a scare story, so that the proletariate will look to you for salvation, shout down your oponents with ridicule, insults & derision, perform a complete character assassination upon them, before your lies & deceptions are discovered, by then of course it’s all too late. They have the power, the money, the control, they have the lot! Tax at will!

  28. Today the US, and particularly Californians have a chance of reversing the trend, and setting an example to the rest of the world.

    But no pressure!

  29. LabMunkey says:
    November 2, 2010 at 6:34 am
    Finally- is anyone here following the uk-offshore wind turbine foundation fiasco?? The FOI reports are in and it doesn’t look good for the turbines…..

    Yes, as an experienced engineering surveyor, I’d say they have little experience with the vibro loads on these offshore turbines. Having watched hundreds of vibro piles in my time, I’d say we’ll be seeing a few fall over.

  30. Vuk etc. says:
    November 2, 2010 at 9:13 am
    As Dr.”S” would say: That’s only a correlation….only numerology :-)
    However if population increases while power production decreases…troubles ahead will increase and some heads will suddenly decrease, being abruptly separated from its bodies, as it has happened several times in the past……Buy more popcorn! :-)

  31. Here in Oregon,USA California’s mini-me-we have the possibility of re-electing our old greenie Governor, Kitzhaber , D-Retread, who wants to blow up dams and tear down Coal plants.
    No Nukes, either. This man has “Hayduke Lives:” and “Earth First” on his bumper
    stickers. Nice to see some sanity somewhere…

  32. What we were anticipating here at WUWT: Finally a Computer Model/Game has arrived for everyone to emulate Post Normal Climate “Scientists”:
    Fate of the World is a global strategy game that puts our future in your hands. Decide how the world will respond to rising temperatures, heaving populations, dwindling resources, crumbling ecosystems and brave opportunities.
    Now there will be a lot of competitors to J.”Trains”H or “Mann-made” Climate Changes:
    http://www.fateoftheworld.net/

  33. The implications for the UK are analysed at this blog

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/

    Paul is a weather presenter and climate correspondent for BBC Look North in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. However the BBC rarely give prominence to his website which sheds a critical eye on the climate change claims.

  34. Anthony

    After importing a word doc into WordPress, I would select all of the text and hit the “remove all formatting” button. Then it becomes a lot easier.

    You can still select the rest of the document you missed and do this.

    I’d do it but I don’t have the privileges.

  35. I’m breathlessly awaiting all these “sustainable” energy sources. Maybe Cameron will provide a tree we can all plug into for our energy, as well as gardens with an endless supply of fruit and vegetarian protein. And we’ll get minature flying dragons to get around.

    When are these people going to get into the real world? Energy isn’t free or sustainable. Even slaves were worked to death in ancient times instead of being sustained. large animals with teeth and claws aren’t cuddly, and humans evolved to eating meat for a reason.

    The only Green movement I’m awaiting is St. Patricks’ day. Don’t like it, move to California; one or two more homeless won’t make a difference.

  36. End the climate debate now. Close the 30% of power stations for 6 weeks and then hold a referendum to ask the people if they wish to continue with this madness.

  37. Britain clearly has Lurgi:

    “Greenslade:
    Following the dramatic disclosure in Parliament, Dr. Ned Seagoon has been put in full charge of the Anti-Lurgi Campaign.

    Moriarty:
    …You will need to order 4 million E Flat trombones.

    Seagoon:
    That’s going to cost something isn’t it?

    Moriarty:
    Cost! Cost! Lives are at stake, man!

    Seagoon:
    Yes.

    Grytpype:
    If you can save Britain from Lurgi the government won’t mind the expenditure.”

  38. Posted at Channel 4 1st Nov 2010
    Once upon a time a long time ago in a place called London Dr John Snow discovered that cholera was caused by polluted water after an outbreak in Central London. Basil Jet designed one of the greatest engineering projects of the time to take sewage out to sea.
    Over the years environmental concerns were addressed throughout the uk whether it be in the work place, asbestos and dust in the mines or the pollution of the seas and water courses.

    This did not go far enough and Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth were founded in the 1970’s and in fact raised many issues of concern which were relevant to everyone whatever political persuasion.

    Then a problem occurred, a virus spread through the environmental movement the virus known as Superhomos complexus. (Superman complex). This virus affected the central nervous system, whereby normally rational people were overcome with the urge to save the planet, save the whale.

    The virus is still virulent but many people are now totally immune to it’s effects albeit there are many who still believe deeply that the world is doomed in 10, 20, 30 or whatever number they make up and so they must fly around the world staying in expensive hotels to save the planet?

  39. I doubt Mr Cameron and his coalition have seriously thought about keeping the lights on, if they did they would not have asked Chris Huhne to oversee the country’s energy needs. It would seem as if the political classes here are obsessed with playing games whose logical outcome is to reduce us all to penury and starvation. Still, should it happen we might get warm, for a while at least, burning our ineffectual parliament down.

  40. Allow me to take this opportunity to express my sincere condolences and heartfelt sympathies to our fellow brothers and sisters across the pond in the UK.

    I strongly suggest you gather up your neighbours with axes and chainsaws in hand, and head out to the forests for a “lumberjack party” to start stock piling your new source of heat… You won’t be able to afford to warm your tootsies in front of the heat register anymore.

    If that’s not enough, I hear there’s this big ol’ building on Buckingham Palace Road that stocks plenty of firewood…

  41. old44 says:
    November 2, 2010 at 10:38 am

    End the climate debate now. Close the 30% of power stations for 6 weeks and then hold a referendum to ask the people if they wish to continue with this madness.

    In the UK, just let those clowns that tried to shut the station just outside Nottingham close down Drax & the other station about 2 miles away down. Then Ferrybridge, That’s about 9Gw gone. Remember, we’re so marginal here that a single failure during a time when stations are offline for maintenance can drive us over the cliff.

    Then wait for the backlash!

    DaveE.

  42. Re: Query about FOI request on wind turbine foundations (first raised here by LabMunkey)

    I know nothing about this but there is the result of a freedom of information request dated 27 Oct 2010 at:

    http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/48432/response/122951/attach/3/EIR%20response%2010%202104%20wind%20turbine%20foundations%2027%2010%202010.pdf

    The FOI response is a list of e:mails on the subject. I am in no position to comment on the significance (or otherwise). The e:mails include a link to an article in the (London) Times in April 2010:

    “Hundreds of offshore wind turbines could be suffering from a design flaw that makes them sink into the sea”
    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article7096654.ece

  43. The challenge asked the UN and the Prince, who has accused sceptics of “peddling pseudo science”, to prove climate change is happening and is signed by 166 scientists. (including Anthony Watts, …

    Surely that’s a misquotation. Anthony is very unlikely to ask for that proof. The issues are causality and, perhaps, magnitude.

  44. Most enivros are low-life wiseguys running an an enviromental protection racket, and they and their lawyers are shaking down governments and companies for out of court settlements that is now running into billions of dollars. It is cheaper and more expedient for governments and companies to pay these guys off than fight the law suits in court at great expense. For many conpanies delaying a project results in increased costs and can lead to cancellation of the project.

  45. What happens to an offshore wind farm when a large freighter loses power and drifts into the farm? Those windmills will snap like match sticks and become reefs for sea life.

  46. I’m convinced the idea is to kill off the old folk.

    Council, (community?) housing in the UK is being updated. Where once there was central heating electrically controlled but with the backup of a gas fire, the gas fire is being replaced by an expensive to run electric fire. The obvious problem with this is that during a power cut, probably during a cold spell in Winter, there is no backup to the central heating, so the only place to go is bed to try to keep warm.

    If the power cut is prolonged, that is where they will find the dead pensioners. They’ll probably just say they died of old age the cynical bastards!

    DaveE.

  47. Today might be an extinction event for American politicians supporting government action on climate issues. We have reached a tipping point, it might be much worse than they expect.

  48. What is becoming quiet obvious that for the UK wind and solar are not the panacea to solve our energy problems that we once thought. Germany, Spain and other EU countries are now back-tracking on development of wind farms and I expect the next iteration of government’s quest for ‘green’ electricity will be natural gas and nuclear.

    The future for wind power is looking bleaker and bleaker with every passing year, but our liberal governments are still clinging to the dream! In view of this I’m certain that the harsh realities of the situation will further delay the current EU deadline on large fossil fuel plants being closed by 2015.

  49. “…about one third of the UK power stations will be FORCED to close to meet strict new European Union Pollution (CO2 emissions) rules.”

    I think I have mentioned here more than once about the ‘law’ of unintended consequences. Furthermore, people are not prepared to die in cold houses when they were not prepared to die in cold caves. Sorry for the drama. It’s as simple as that.

  50. Thanks for the report Barry.

    Really informative, great links – a great resource.

    As to the main thrust, the British public seem completely unaware of the price we are already paying for emmisions, in our fuel bills. These figures – in this report – might just make sense to them now they have been force-fed, on a daily basis (ad nauseum in fact and for some time now) by the MSM, the scale of the cuts we are facing.

    It reminds me of lambs being taken to the slaughter house – none of them knows what is about to happen to them.

    2015 sounds like a grim time up ahead, if these people get their way, and I’m afraid it looks as though they will.

    This site is a gold mine of rationality.

    I do feel sorry for the lambs though.

  51. Harold Pierce Jr said:

    What happens to an offshore wind farm when a large freighter loses power and drifts into the farm? Those windmills will snap like match sticks and become reefs for sea life.

    I would be more concerned about the foundations. Oceans, by definition, are sedimentary. It’s very hard to find a site on the south or east coast of the US where they can be anchored in rock. Near shore Gulf of Mexico, for example, would be a horrible place. The previous comment about vibration is important here. Building an offshore platform is difficult enough. Thixotrophy would be an engineer’s nightmare.

  52. @ Stuart Harmon says:
    November 2, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Sir,
    I doubt very much that Sir Joseph William Bazalgette would have appreciated being referred to as Basil Jet.
    Sincerely etc.

  53. It would be interesting to hear a bit more about Dr Ian Strangeways thoughts on thermometer creep, if anyone can locate them.

  54. Chas says:
    November 2, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Never come across the info on thermometers but I can believe thermometer creep.

    Glass is a supercooled liquid and does indeed flow like a liquid over an extended period. What effect this would have on an LIG thermometer I’m not sure but I could envisage closing of the capillary at the bottom of the instrument.

    On the other hand, I can also envisage distortion of the bulb reducing, OR increasing the reading over time. Difficult to call either way.

    DaveE.

  55. On reflection. I can see how the thickness of the glass surrounding the capillary could lead to a small reduction in bulb size. This would lead to an increase in temperature readings.

    DaveE.

  56. Chas says: It would be interesting to hear a bit more about Dr Ian Strangeways thoughts on thermometer creep, if anyone can locate them.

    … Ask him yourself:

    Email: Dr Ian Strangeways (ian@terradata.co.uk)

    Correspondence: Dr Ian Strangeways, TerraData, 7 Cherwell Close, Thames St, Wallingford, Oxon OX10 0HF UK

    Dr Ian Strangeways has his own web site at http://www.ianstrangeways.org.uk

  57. Both Piers Corbyn and Peter Gill gave their presentations at a Climate Fools Day conference at Imperial College the following day, with the BBC’s Roger Harrabin attending.

    A correction…
    I checked on Weather Action Website and this was actually the last Climate Fools Day year at Imperial College. – So I assumed, 2010 as I thought it was the first one, did not realise there was a Climate Fools Day last year..

    As it is the first entry on the home page their is a picture of this which said October 28th Oct (no year)
    http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.asp?p=wact1&fsize=0

    An Update..

    A video intro of the climate Fools Day debate is now available

    Link to the video, if the embedded video does not work.
    http://climaterealists.com/?id=6583

  58. The EU a&%e lickers in the commons voted on a bill they didn’t understand (so what’s new?), they are soooooo caring (not of the world but of their sinecures).

    The law of unintended consequences will mean that soon enough the lights will go off in Blighty – how green is that???

    When this bill was passed in 2008 I thought to myself, the ‘lights are off ‘ in Parliamentary brains (oxymoron?).

    This movement is a start, MP’s are so blinded by dogma, ideology and the AGW miasma, I wonder if it is too late?

    The lead (in the EU – HQ central for AGW mongers) will have to come from Germany, another cold winter there will focus the German electorate’s mood marvellously – they’re already climbing down (AGW belief amongst ordinary Germans is well down from 4/5years ago) from the AGW Armageddon bandwagon.

    Alas in Britain, the land of the brain dead politician, all is still to play for, though like I said, you gotta start somewhere.

    Heads literally need to be knocked together, a good ‘rogering’ for the Dems in the STATES will also help concentrate minds – our politicians in Britain might eventually ‘get it’ – that, there are no votes in promulgating AGW and (by extension) useless palliative measures thereof.

    A war of attrition, let battle be joined.

  59. Roger T, a huge laugh for your verse from “The Good Ship Venus.” This was a frequent dinner table refrain at my fraternitiy house at UCLA in the early sixties and, no, it’s not “scurrilous,” but usually salacious and, in some verses, downright pornographic. My guess is that this tune originated with the British Navy and was actually a “chanty,” sung by sailors during periods of serious manual labor.

    Wouldn’t it be fun if Anthony (God bless his serious heart) set up an “errata” file where stuff like this could be made available to interested ‘perverts,’ who retain a robust (I mean ribald) sense of humor in the present times?

    I can still rememer at least half a dozen verses, all of them side-splittingly funny, over a dinner of prime rib and goodly fellowship, accompanied by proper libations.

    Probably the least offensive verse in the repotire is the first (delete if you must, mods, but at least have a good laugh yourselves…)

    ‘Twas on the good ship Venus,
    You really should have seen us,
    A figurehead
    Of a wh**e in a bed,
    And a mate without a p**s!

    The ‘chanty’ went on with the Captain and then the officers:

    The Captain’s name was O’Slugger,
    He was a filthy bugger,
    He wasn’t fit
    To shovel s**t,
    From one one ship to another!

    The Captain’s daughter was Mabel,
    She was young and pretty and able,
    To fornicate
    With the Second Mate,
    Upon the chartroom table!

    Anyway, mods, thanks for a great job, blessings to Anthony, and enjoy what has happened today.

  60. I work in the UK power industry. My company is shutting down plants due to the EU Large Combustion Plant Directive (LCPD). It doesn’t matter if the Large Combustion Plant Directive (LCPD) gets repealed or not.

    The plants that are due to shut down haven’t received the maintenance and refurbishment they need to operate until sufficient capacity can be built. This country is going to get very interesting within the decade.

  61. hello!

    sorry for the late reply everyone-

    @ golf charlie, ferchault, cold englishman

    Alanbates posted some good info- and i was reffering to this ( the same source, different format.)

    http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/48432/response/122951/attach/html/3/EIR%20response%2010%202104%20wind%20turbine%20foundations%2027%2010%202010.pdf.html

    key workd really is ‘settlement’ (not legal, but foundations). We’re still waiting on the outcome of the detailed tests, but at the very least- settlements have been detected in a significant number of the off-shore wind farms.

    @Dave N

    GOONS! good to see i’m not the only one who still listens to them.

    I’m sure bluebottle would have something to say on the cAGW mess….

  62. We have a real problem with UK politicians. I have tried to engage with my own MP on our energy policy but she has been unable to answer some fairly basic questions after 4 months.
    In July I wrote to her expressing my concern over the looming energy gap and to date all I have received back is a ‘cut & paste’ letter about how wonderful everything is going to be once we have green energy. The letter even claimed that green energy could ‘lower fuel costs’. I have been very persistent in asking for an explanation of how this will be achieved but I can get no response apart from being told that ‘there are plenty of green policies’ in the pipeline.
    While my MP is very good at appearing in the local newspaper opening a new school canteen or similar, she apparently has no idea of what the hell her government is doing. Furthermore, the correspondence I have received back is a combination off insulting drivel and false claims.
    I’m sure that she now thinks that I’m some sort of nutter for persisting in getting an answer from her, but I actually think that it is disgraceful that MY representative in Parliament is unable to provide me with even the most rudimentary answers to a key policy of her party.
    Frustrating as it is, I would urge all other UK readers to engage their own MPs about any issue and you will quickly find out whether your own representative is a proper politician or just there for the ride. Mine sadly has come up short.

  63. “In the UK, a few politicians are just realizing that in 5 years time (around the time of the next election) about one third of the UK power stations will be FORCED to close to meet strict new European Union Pollution (CO2 emissions) rules.”

    What perfect timing. I can guarantee a string of hard N.H. winters from 2014 to the early 2020`s. About one third of UK citizens will have trouble paying for their electricity by then anyway.

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