Watch the "Great Debate" on California's Prop 23 suspend the AB32 global warming law

Readers may recall yesterday when I wrote about the event sponsored by Chico State University that I was “disinvited” from because I was not allowed to use visuals that I wanted to explain the science.

Well, good news, even though I won’t be allowed to speak there, the world gets to watch it live via webcast.

At left is a snapshot from the student debate in progress now, but the Main Event that I was supposed to speak at comes later, at 6:30PM Pacific Time. I encourage WUWT readers to watch.

If nothing else, WUWT readers can demonstrate their collective global impact on the number of viewers of this event. Given that the city council streaming video webserver generally handles just a few dozen to a few hundred viewers, depending on the topic, we have a very good chance of setting an all time viewership record.

Here’s the details on the agenda and the link to live video.

REGULAR CHICO CITY COUNCIL MEETING — October 28, 2010

Chico Municipal Center, Council Chamber, 421 Main Street

1.
THE CHICO GREAT DEBATE – OCTOBER 28, 2010            The Great Debate is a cooperative project between the City of Chico and California State University, Chico, to create a public space for civil discourse.  This semester’s topic is:  “AB 32: To Suspend or Not to Suspend” – The Global Warming Solutions Act
2.
Listing of the proposed events:  You can also view these sessions on Cable Channel 11.
9:30 – 10:30 a.m.        PG&E Panel
11:00 -12:00 noon        Panels on Skin Cancer and Green Energy
12:30 – 1:30 p.m.        Panels on Financial Sponsors, Oil Industry and Solar Power
2:00 – 3:00 p.m.          Debate on Proposition 23
3:30 – 4:30 p.m.          Panels on Agricultural Industry and Environmentalists
6:30 p.m.            Main Event Debates – Community Member Debate Teams
3.
ADJOURNMENT

To watch it live click this link:

http://chico-ca.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=2

…and then click on “view event” right at the top.

UPDATE: Some people are concerned that WUWT viewers may crash the server, and I’ll get blamed. I don’ t think it is likely to happen. The company that runs the server for them handles much much larger cities and towns also, and they host it. So I think they can handle thousands of simultaneous connections. I actually put in the first streaming server for the city council chambers, and they replaced mine (donated) with this, and it is pretty well done.

If I thought there was any chance of crashing that streaming server I would not bother to suggest it. We may however set a viewer record for them. – Anthony

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gcapologist
October 29, 2010 4:12 pm

I don’t post that often, but here’s why when I do, I do it anonymously:
By virtue of my job and employer, I am considered to be a “public official.” I work in an environmental field. A few years back I was subject to a vicious libel and slander campaign because my findings and position did not support that of our local environmental activists. The activists even managed to convince one outlet of our local media that based on only my job title, they were sure I played fast and loose with the data and manipulated outcomes of scientific analyses to support a predetermined agenda. (Of course they had no evidence whatsoever to support their notion because it was totally untrue.) The whole thing took a toll on me emotionally at the time (it was very hard to ignore), and I know that there was harm done to my reputation.
Fortunately for now, I have yet to be assigned to anything climate change related, for I am certain that if my positions on CAGW become publically known, I will be hit with severe criticisms again. I’m not ready for that. Until I am, I sign public blogs with an anonymous moniker.

Darren Parker
October 29, 2010 4:19 pm

Just delete Pa32r’s posts – we don’t need them here and why shouldn’t we censor like RealClimate does? All of us know he’s a moron.
REPLY: No, he’s not a moron, he just has a bad case of this affliction: http://xkcd.com/386/
– Anthony

October 29, 2010 4:20 pm

PA32R, You’re starting to sound like a troll now, so this is the last reply from me. For far too long, the warmist community have stifled real debate about the issues and merits of Global Warming, Climate Change, Climate Disruption, call it what you will.
Between ClimateGate and the realisation that the science behind their claims is shoddy beyond belief, people don’t believe them anymore, yet we still see attempts by them to try and frame the debate in their own favour.
This CSU thing is another example of exactly that. Invite someone from the other side of the debate, and then deny them the chance to genuinely inform people. They get away with it because by and large they have the pursestrings, and the media and the politicians on their side turning a blind eye to it.
The reason they can’t handle a slideshow is because people like Anthony have done their homework, and are fully informed about the state of the science. The question any right-minded person should be asking is why does a university, a supposed centre of learning, not want to inform people. Answer that, and then you get to question us.

October 29, 2010 4:29 pm


I’ve sampled some of the debate at Chico, and thus far I find nothing whatsoever to be impressed about, beginning with the quality of the introductory presentations made by the Mayor of the town (Ann Schwab), Provost Sandra Flake, et alia.
Particularly Sue Peterson, Director of the Speech and Debate Program at CSU Chico, who has that absolutely insufferable Californian tendency (as does Mayor Schwab to a lesser extent) to inflect just about every goddam declarative sentence as if it were an interrogatory.
Makes the thumbs to twitch with an urge to reach across the continent and close upon a windpipe or two.
The ineptitude of these “award winners” on the CSU Chico student speech and debate team is also altogether disquieting. These guys would have been dead meat as opponents (and other competitors) when I was doing debate and extemporaneous speaking in National Forensic League activities back in high school.
The first two speakers, for example – in support of the resolution and opposing – neither raise their eyes from their manuscripts nor vary from a deadly monotone, and throughout the content of their utterances fail to support their assertions with little other than appeals to authority, and stumble into a wealth of other logical fallacies which my debate team adviser would never have allowed me to bring into any such prepared presentation.
The second negative speaker actually not only reads verbatim from her prepared text but follows that text with her fingertip.
Is this the student who is supposed to be a pre-med major? An undergraduate interested eventually in practicing the profession of medicine?
Oh, my god.
Shall we begin discussing the next California ballot initiative? I suggest that the folks out there in the Golden State consider the immediate defunding of the California State University system, and letting it subside completely into bankruptcy and cease operations altogether.

October 29, 2010 4:58 pm

@Paulhan:
I’m sure CSUC would be cynically bemused to hear how they control any pursestrings whatsoever.
In any case, not wanting to be accused of being a troll, I’ll depart the thread.
@Anthony:
Eeyup, I’m afflicted with SIWOTI syndrome. I’ve blogged about my flareups here and here.

NW Libertarian
October 29, 2010 11:31 pm

Boy, things have changed since I was in college, you sure this isn’t the local high school?
I can’t figure out how a disease can be a “Stakeholder”, what are they teaching there?
How about a year of Econ & Biz required for their first year.

Jack Simmons
October 30, 2010 3:07 am

California is in need of some adult supervision.

Stephen Brown
October 30, 2010 1:26 pm

Tucci78 October 29, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Hear hear, my dear sir. I concur completely!
“… that absolutely insufferable Californian tendency to inflect just about every goddam declarative sentence as if it were an interrogatory.
Makes the thumbs to twitch with an urge to reach across the continent and close upon a windpipe or two. ”
That vocal inflection and the vile abuse of that innocent word “like”, both cause my blood to boil!

October 31, 2010 3:56 am

Interesting article on Valero, the primary backer of Prop 23.
[Try to disregard the pseudo-science; it’s the LA Times, they can’t help themselves.]

DirkH
October 31, 2010 4:52 am

Don’t worry, citizens of California.
James Cameron and Eric Schmidt are here to help you.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/james-cameron-and-google-ceo-questioning-warming-science-is-criminal.html
I know, it’s prisonplanet, but they have a video of the two philosophers working out the plan. Watch it. It’s good.

Frederic
October 31, 2010 6:19 am

As the executive officer receives the hand note “come quick, bring packs”. The rest of the story is history.
How much did this College event cost$$$? Perhaps government would need to begin teaching themselves accounting 101, meaning all of the staff/resources included in such an event. Electricity$ alone?
Ms Peterson – “I believe that mistakes are the foundation of learning. I try to design my classes to provide a safe, but challenging environment, where students who are willing to take risks and learn from their mistakes are rewarded.”
Ms Peterson – “in order to use the valuable experience I had gained through my work with the Urban Debate League- Fulerton on the college level.” (why she returned to CSU)
If this event is what an accredited University (accountable to a body of intellectual sheriffs) is capable of producing for mass education, the world is not savable-compatible with a notion of common sense.
Aren’t there no order of school learnin? Dialectic – Didactic. I did listen to the one orator of skill (professional grand finale) that must have learned the art of debate outside of CSU.

October 31, 2010 1:07 pm

My beliefs on why Prop 23 will not matter much, one way or the other, to California’s future. The ship of state is sinking with or without Prop 23. It’s only a question of when.
http://sowellslawblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/showdown-over-prop-23-and-ab-32-in.html

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