Sea Ice News #26

The news last week was the quick turnaround, this year it is the speed of ice growth.

JAXA extent shows sharp growth, exceeding the 2009 rate, and almost as fast as 2005:

JAXA AMSR-E Sea Ice Extent -15% or greater – click to enlarge

In the last week, over a half million (505,938) square kilometers of Arctic Sea Ice has been added, one of the fastest gains in the satellite record.

On October 6th  2010 JAXA sea-ice extent has now broken through the 6M km2 line with 6,015,156 km2

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The DMI 30% extent chart could very well exceed the 2006 line in the next day or two, it has already exceeded the 2005 line.

And, compared the 2007 year, the refreeze is looking strong at CT:

Note though that Cryosphere today’s image has not updated since 10/07/10. Hopefully it will be back online tomorrow. There’s been some sensor issues seen at the NANSEN sea ice page the last few days, and since CT also uses the same data, that may be the issue.

UPDATE: Reader “AJB” offers this plot:

Rate of gain/loss - click to enlarge

At Antarctica, after a weather induced dip, ice is rebounding and above normal, as well as ahead of this time last year. We have bipolar growth this week.

NSIDC Antarctic Sea Ice Extent – 15% or greater – click to enlarge 

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Chris Edwards
October 11, 2010 9:58 am

I bet the AGW supporters club got all excited when it dipped and looked like a new min and now it is recovering big time, you could almost think it was the wind what done it! what has happened to the lce floe that calved from Greenland?

Jimbo
October 11, 2010 9:58 am

BBC 12 December 2007
Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.
Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.
………………….
“Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007,” the researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California, explained to the BBC.
“So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative.”

Here is Al Gore at Copenhagen in December, 2009 saying more or less the same thing.
Then when the Arctic ice goes in the opposite direction they will talk of uncertainties. As Booker once said we have the weather and time on our side.

John F. Hultquist
October 11, 2010 10:04 am

Bubbagyro, (@9:21)
All good ideas, except the Goracle has instructed us about the high temperatures deep in the Earth so that probably isn’t a good place to store frozen stuff. Consider the top of wind machines. Build them tall enough to reach really cold temps and they would also be strong enough to have a container perched on top. The blades could be about 3 kms long and produce lots of energy. Two birds with one stone, as they say.

October 11, 2010 10:09 am

Freddie says:
October 11, 2010 at 3:19 am
How many Manhattans??
————————————————————————————————
Apparently ~1 every 2 minutes.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/10/11/death-spiral-arctic-ice-at-a-record-high-in-the-dmi-database/

rbateman
October 11, 2010 10:50 am

Chris Edwards says:
October 11, 2010 at 9:58 am
You mean what happened to the calved Ice Shelf from the Pederman Glacier?
It got cemented into the rapidly freezing Nares Strait as it rounded the corner, and should now be known as the Pederman Plug.

simpleseekeraftertruth
October 11, 2010 12:26 pm

Scott BL says:
October 11, 2010 at 5:13 am
“Also, someone who’s good with the numbers. Is there a correlation between the extreme ice min or max and the speed of the increase/decrease of the ice that follows it?”
________
To my mind, the area under the curve has more meaning than max/min extent alone conveys. As you point out, the speed of the increase/decrease is also of interest. IMO ice volume changes would be the best measure for annual comparisons but for that you need thickness.

October 11, 2010 12:50 pm

rbateman says:
October 11, 2010 at 10:50 am
Chris Edwards says:
October 11, 2010 at 9:58 am
You mean what happened to the calved Ice Shelf from the Pederman Glacier?
It got cemented into the rapidly freezing Nares Strait as it rounded the corner, and should now be known as the Pederman Plug.
Actually it didn’t, it’s presently drifting into the mouth of Glacier strait between Ellesmere Island and Coburg Island.
If you don’t know the answer you don’t have to make one up.

Jackstraw
October 11, 2010 1:00 pm


This has been the principal AGW premise, that positive albedo feedbacks are required to make CO2 scary, and one of the primary reasons for the attention on the arctic ice. But I disagree, there is a very strong negative feedback at work here. If you look at the DMI, the average yearly air temp is around -15C. Ice is a very good insulator, and the less ice there is, the more the cooldown of the arctic waters. This is why low ice minimums are always followed by high refreeze rates.
Negative feedbacks are how nature works, and is the reason why life has been able to thrive here.
If instead you believe that the earth’s climate “balances” on a knife edge, this has to beg the question: How exactly did the planet get propped up in such a precarious position in the first place?

rbateman
October 11, 2010 1:43 pm

Phil. says:
October 11, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Actually it didn’t, it’s presently drifting into the mouth of Glacier strait between Ellesmere Island and Coburg Island.
If you don’t know the answer you don’t have to make one up.

Did you bother to watch as it got deep-froze into place by all the rapidly accelerating sea ice by visiting the daily Aqua/Terra images?
As for your assertion that I don’t know the answer:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100903072655.htm
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Earth_From_Space_Giant_Iceberg_Enters_Nares_Strait_999.html
http://www.polarfield.com/blog/tag/petermann-glacier/
The world seems to disagree with you, Phil. . They say it drifted into the Nares Strait.
I watched it get surrounded and pinned by advancing Sea Ice.
What exactly is your point?

October 11, 2010 1:55 pm

If you look at the nice new graphic on the sea Ice pages out up by Ryan Maue;
http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/extreme/gfs/current/nh_raw_temp_000.png
there is one heck of a warm up going on (from -40C to -10C) over Greenland that has been the result of an ongoing massive snowstorm as the 74 degree dew point air left over from “TS Nicole” and lately “Otto” dropping down to -10 to -12 degrees C, (can you say two week long white out Blizzard?) that makes me think the mass loss of Greenland is slowing down at the moment.
There is already developing a lot of the loopy jet stream pattern that I think is going to dominate the global circulation for the next 3 to 4 years before we drop back into a more uniform zonal flow pattern again.
It is a good thing they renamed “Global Warming” to “Climate disruption” cause the GW handle sure isn’t gonna fit.

Michael Proctor
October 11, 2010 2:07 pm

@Mooloo
Great, thanks for pointing that out, of course it would recover quicker with a colder climate, makes sense. 😉
Maybe I should be on the IPCC I can read graphs and get out of them what I think not what they say. Would be nice to have near double my wage for forging err… citing brochures and essays.

Stephan
October 11, 2010 2:19 pm

Amazed that Phil & de Witt pain even bother any more…. the game is definitely over. NH ice is tracking 2006 and the AUC (area under curve for period is ABOVE 2009). Ice will “normalize” (which is meaningless anyway but the AGW crowd like it) completely this year 2010-11, and looks like tempos are dropping dramatically too….hahahaha

rbateman
October 11, 2010 2:40 pm

Richard Holle says:
October 11, 2010 at 1:55 pm
It is a good thing they renamed “Global Warming” to “Climate disruption” cause the GW handle sure isn’t gonna fit.

They cannot come straight out and admit natural Global Cooling as Earth’s
response to natural Global Warming, nor can they summon the nerve to point the stick in the direction of anything but CO2.
It’s all about a trace gas inflating a trace hypothesis with ginormous taxes to fight a trace problem.
Following thier terminology:
Global Warming (warm phase)
Climate Change (twilight zone of warming/cooling phases)
Global Climate Disruption (cool phase).

James Allison
October 11, 2010 2:46 pm

Record ice gain is entirely consistent with climate disruption.

Jimbo
October 11, 2010 2:53 pm

Where is Mr. R. Gates? I want to hear his views on this bi-polar disorder. ;O)

John from CA
October 11, 2010 3:48 pm

James Allison says:
October 11, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Record ice gain is entirely consistent with climate disruption.
=====
LOL, here we go — Weather is now Climate.
Or, have we given up on Climate because the world knows the models are a mess and just throw darts at whatever is currently happening and call it a problem?

John from CA
October 11, 2010 3:50 pm

Sorry James,
I couldn’t resist and realize you were joking.

ROM
October 11, 2010 4:01 pm

Anthony, thanks for the Antarctic Ice graph.
It’s about time that the very remote South end of this Planet was given some exposure so as to speak as after all it does contain many times more ice and covers a lot more area than the Arctic which draws all the available research money and attention.
The Great Southern Ocean rings the planet right around the Antarctic continent and as the Southern Ocean is also the only connection between all of the world’s major ocean basins it may eventually prove to be far more influential in the long term changes in the Global Climate than any Arctic influences ever were.
The state of the Arctic ice and temperature regimes may be an indicator only of the short term global climate.
The state of the Antarctic ice and the Great Southern Ocean may be eventually be proven to be some of the more influential drivers of the long term global climate.
We simply don’t know because the Antarctic continent and the Southern Ocean, two of the largest features of this planet, are basically ignored by nearly all of the northern hemisphere based climate researchers as well as those of just about every other discipline.

R. Gates
October 11, 2010 5:01 pm

Yawn….
Wake me if:
1) The Arctic Sea Ice extent ever gets back above it’s longer term (30+ year) average.
2) CryoSat 2 Data is released.
Otherwise, it’s business as usual as the Arctic Sea ice extent continues below average, and currently, global sea ice total extent is as well.
REPLY: As you wish! We’ll hear no more from you then until one of these conditions are satisfied, all future comments from you on sea ice will be rejected. – Anthony

jorgekafkazar
October 11, 2010 5:01 pm

I’m not impressed yet. We’re looking at short periods of jiggly numbers. Slopes of jiggly plots are even goosier, less accurate than the numbers they’re derived from. Wait until the 2010 curve hits “the kNovember knot” where geographic constraints usually start affecting the growth of ice. Then we’ll see some action. Or (k)not.

John F. Hultquist
October 11, 2010 5:11 pm
ES
October 11, 2010 6:07 pm

The Petermann Ice Island fractured into two pieces on September 9 after colliding with, and then scraping along, Joe Island at the mouth of the Petermann Fiord.. On September 17, Environment Canada successfully dropped a beacon on PII-A. It can be followed here:
http://sailwx.info/shiptrack/shipposition.phtml?call=47557
It did circles north of its present position for 10 days and today moved into the entrance to Jones Sound.
http://www.ec.gc.ca/glaces-ice/default.asp?lang=En&n=D32C361E-1&wsdoc=082CD667-6A9B-4205-AE25-A12B00D4E32B#Update2
Also from EC: “At the end of September, the two Petermann Ice Island fragments were respectively located in Kane Basin and at the entrance to northern Baffin Bay.” So it looks the gig island has broken free, but it does not have a beacon.

Steve from Rockwood
October 11, 2010 6:35 pm

Anthony,
Why should R Gates be banned just because we are watching our belly buttons on Arctic ice Extent. I quite like his irritating posts.
WUWT seems to allow dissenting points of view. And if those dissenters insist on shooting at their toes, why clamp down?

Crashex
October 11, 2010 8:33 pm

Explain this:
The AMSR-E area plot shows the 2010 area greater than or equal to 2005 and 2006.
But,
The Cryosphere area anomoly plot has the current anomoly substantial less than the minimum anomolies for those years.
How can that be right?

EFS_Junior
October 11, 2010 8:57 pm

Well I finally found Mark Serreze’s Arctic Sea Ice Death Spiral;
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_QiMvdrrujF4/TLPZq5hb2tI/AAAAAAAAABM/IZzS7s4yRmY/Arctic%20Death%20Spiral.png.jpg
It goes round and round, as it goes down and down.
UIUC Data Source;
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.anom.1979-2008