Comment of the week – counterpoint to Fuller on Cuccinelli

This rebuttal comment to I’ll Trade You Cuccinelli For Splattergate With A Player To Be Named Later was so well written, and so extensive, I felt that it deserves the honor of a guest post status.

– Anthony

D. Patterson says:

Guest Post by Thomas Fuller

But it didn’t rise to a criminal level (that was the UK deleting emails in advance of Freedom of Information requests, not Michael Mann). What Ken Cuccinelli is doing is going fishing for wrongdoing without an allegation of such wrongdoing–and that’s not how we should be doing things in this country.

I’ll get a lot of flack from you on this–and don’t be shy, I can take it. But remember as you write–District Attorneys are not always Republican, and controversial scientists can be skeptics at times, too. Don’t let your desire for a short term victory in the daily news cycle let you ignore what would be an erosion of all our civil liberties, I beg of you.

Let’s begin by examining the validity of your statement, “But it didn’t rise to a criminal level (that was the UK deleting emails in advance of Freedom of Information requests, not Michael Mann). What Ken Cuccinelli is doing is going fishing for wrongdoing without an allegation of such wrongdoing–and that’s not how we should be doing things in this country.” On the contrary, there are outstanding allegations of wrongdoing.

Michael Mann and the University of Virginia refused to comply with the law and a citizen’s lawful FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request for e-mail held by the University, claiming the e-mail no longer existed. When Virginia Attorney General Cuccinelli served a subpoena on the University to deliver the e-mail, the supposedly deleted and non-existent e-mail was recovered from the University computer servers. Consequently, it appears there is every reason to suspect a crime was committed when the citizen’s FOIA request was denied on the basis of a fraudulent claim of destruction of the e-mail. Unlike the case with the University of East Anglia, the statute of Limiitations is likely to remain in force in the Virginia case. It remains to be determined whether or not the evidentiary discovery will support misdemeanor and/or felony charges. That is the purpose and due process of law for which the CID is needed and proper.

Then there is the issue of the $466,000 (nearly a half million dollars) in grant monies Michael Mann solicited and received from the State of Virginia and its taxpayers, in addition to the huge sums of money he and the University of Virginia received from the U.S. Government. It has been argued by a group of scientists and others that Michael Mann and the University of Virginia should somehow be uniquely immune from a Civil Investigative Demand (CID) in a prima facie FOIA and/or fraud criminal case on the basis of some unwritten gentleman’s agreement to avoid interference with the intellectual freedom of scientists. Thusly, these same people see no cognitive dissonance, hypocrisy, or injustice when they punished, sanctioned, threatened, intimidated, and/or defrauded non-scientists and dissenting scientists by dismissing state climatologists, dissenting climate scientists, dissenting meteorologists, academics, students, political appointees, and others without any Civil Investigative Demand, administrative board hearing, arraignment and trial, or other due process of law thay are now claiming for Michael Mann and the University of Virginia without any statutory or constitutional right.

Rubbing salt into the wounds of the public they have wronged for many years, they are trying to carve out a privileged position of immunity for themselves just as the Members of Congress have done so before them. Discriminating against other classes of citizens, these so-called scientists want to enjoy an immunity from investigation and prosecution not enjoyed by other citizens in our society. Expressing outrage that anyone would seek to interfere with the privacy of their communications and right to publish their communications while remaining immune from due process of law, members of their class of citizens have been running rampant in innumerable criminal cases of defrauding governments, businesses, private citizens, and causing the deaths of private citizens.

For one example, Dr. Scott Reuben pled guilty to numerous charges of fraud in which he faked numerous medical studies published in medical journals as peer reviewed research for such companies as Pfizer. Despite the peer reviews, Dr. Reuben didn’t even have any patients enrolled in his faked patient studies. Physicians relied upon these faked perr reviewed papers to provide medical care to their patients. It was subsequently determined that Dr. Scott Reuben had been faking a number of medical studies for some thirteen years without being discovered and prosecuted.

Somewhere there is someone reading the forgoing and saying Dr. Reuben is just an isolated case, and his fraud is not representative of any widespread scientific fraud. Unfortunately, they are just plain wrong and ignorant of the facts.

Take for another example, the problem with widespread fraud due to ghostwritten peer reviewed science papers. Acta Crystallographica Section E was compelled to retract more than 70 peer reviewed papers ghostwritten by Chinese scientists as faked or fraudulent studies. Pharmaceutical companies have a reputation for ghostwriting peer reviewed studies in-house and then paying medical doctors and scientists to permit their name to b used for publication of the studies. This fraudulent practice has been reported to be widespread in the pharmaceutical industry and some academia for many years as an outgrowth of the academic practice of using graduate students to perform service for their superiors holding doctorates. The University of Alabama at Birmingham has been yet another academic institution which had to retract a number of fraudulent peer reviewed papers and remove eleven proteins registered in a database of such proteins used in science.

The fallout from the notoriously fraudulent stem cell research of Hwang Woo-suk and the investigation of his associate, Professor Gerald P. Schatten of University of Pittsburgh have been ongoing.

Closer to NASA there is the case of Samim Anghaie, his wife, and their business, NETECH, which fraudulently obtained 2.5 million dollars in contracts from NASA among the 13 U.S. government contracts totalling 3.4 million dollars.

Within climate science there has been a number of incidents of suspected fraud, one of which was reported by Dr. S. Fred Singer described the allegations of either fabrication of Chinese weather station data or plagiarism by Wei-Chyung Wang, University of Albany, from work by his colleague in China, Zhaomei Zeng.

Suffice it to observe, scientific fraud is not at all uncommon, and some commentators describe scientific fraud as being rampant. Looking at the known incidents of scientific fraud, it can be seen the perpetration of such fraud is highly rewarding with grants and contracts amounting in various examples as $70,000, $466,000, and $3,400,000. Whistleblowers are typically punished for their honesty, resulting in great reluctance to disclose such scientific fraud or enthusiastic cooperation with such fraud.

In your statement, “But remember as you write–District Attorneys are not always Republican, and controversial scientists can be skeptics at times, too,” you indulge in a fallacy seemingly common to many so-called Liberal-Left Democrats. You see opponents as necessarily being some kind of badly fundamental religious Right-wing extremist or at least some misguided minority Right-wing-nut Republican. Well, such ideas are extremist fantasies. There ae a great many people who describe themselves, as Republicans, yes, but also Democrats, Libertarians, independents, and others who insist upon honesty, integrity, and impartiality. A great many of these people cheerfully wish a pox on all politicians, activists, and Lamestream journalists who seek to frustrate the ability of ordinary citizens to govern their own lives free of interference by by people who think they know better what is best for other people besides themselves and seek to make themselves immune from the same rules and burdens they would impose on others. Whether it is the special immunities and privileges the MainStream Media (MSM) seek to deny ordinary citizen journalists or the climate data and information climate scientists attempt to deny ordinary citizen observers of climate science, you don’t have to be a Republican, a political conservative, or a right-wing-nut, to join with our political opponents in demanding non-discriminatory application of the due process of law to scientists the same as other citizens and professions.

At the very least, the University of Virginia and/or Michael Mann appear to be liable to investigation and prosecution for the violation of laws relating to the FOIA release of the e-mail evidencing Michael Mann’s involvement in the handling of $466,000 of state grant funds. There is more than ample evidence that scientific fraud is a common enough crime to warrant investigations, and convincing evidence of at least some violations of law with respect to FOIA disclosures. Scientists are not yet privileged with the immunity needed to commit FOIA violations and scientific fraud with complete immunity from investigation and prosecution. let the Attorney General represent the citizens of Virginia and safeguard their taxpayer monies and their right to the freedom of information guaranteed by written laws.

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Ted Gray
October 6, 2010 9:50 pm

Mr. D. Patterson
Congratulations your letter is precise, eloquent and easy to understand and gets to the heart of the matter with pinpoint accuracy without belaboring the principle involved. Truth and honesty will always bubble to the surface of even the dirtiest scum pond eventually thanks to people such as yourself.
Thank you.

Dave F
October 6, 2010 9:55 pm

A high five for D. Patterson! Or, if you live in Ohio, I owe you a beer at the very least. Consider also that there may be actual frauds to be uncovered in the Anglia emails that involve US monies. I will again point to this particular email as an instance where the communication certainly lends a person to believe that a US government agency has been cheated out of money:
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=332&filename=1056478635.txt
This email is probable cause all by itself, if only the British government were concerned with securing US taxpayer monies. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Since it is not, it is best to determine if there has been additional frauds with taxpayer money by investigating those who had professional contacts with this agency (CRU) in and around 2003. Does Michael Mann fall into that category?

October 6, 2010 9:56 pm

Yes what these people did was just shy of criminal; but, science will loose credibility for a long time.

rbateman
October 6, 2010 10:04 pm

Let the investigations proceed.
I don’t like it when my tax dollars are misused, no matter what political party the offenders belong to.
Neither does most of America.

Dave F
October 6, 2010 10:05 pm

Ok, this is weird. Second time in two days, and on the same topic, that I have included a link from the East Anglia Emails website and had a comment not show up as waiting on moderation. Is the link dumping me into the spam filter?
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/index.php
I popped that in to see if it is.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/06/comment-of-the-week-counterpoint-to-fuller-on-cuccinelli/#comment-501498
That is the URL of the comment I am talking about. Sorry to be a bother, but the only link I can find between the two is the link I posted my guess is that the link got me rejected. It’s like prom all over again, haha. 😀

Adam
October 6, 2010 10:10 pm

Good letter. I am glad to see that this blog is still a source for open, rational debate. Which is probably in contradiction to the desires of all politicians, activists, and Lamestream journalists, whom I cheerfully wish a pox upon.

jorgekafkazar
October 6, 2010 10:20 pm

Thank you, DPatterson, Anthony. Great post.

Peter Miller
October 6, 2010 10:21 pm

Of course, we should not overlook the very obvious fact that if Mann was: i) an honest individual, and/or ii) his ‘science’ was real, he would have released the original emails a long time ago.
If he was innocent, he would have nothing to hide – it is as simple as that.
Anyhow, great article.

Leon Brozyna
October 6, 2010 10:25 pm

Well written.
I don’t always agree with them, but thank God for all those state Attorneys General, who often combine to bring actions, sometimes against the Federal Government. Sometimes I think they overstep their bounds, but at other times, it is their work that keeps us as free as we are.

ZT
October 6, 2010 10:31 pm

I completely agree with Peter Miller; science is honesty.
Mann (et al) should have nothing to fear or oppose.
Their scientific responsibility is to be honest.

Richard111
October 6, 2010 10:42 pm

I wonder if the word “scientist” will come to mean “someone who tells lies for money”?

Policyguy
October 6, 2010 10:42 pm

Mr. D Patterson
Kudos!! Nice piece.
Mr. Cuccinelli:
Go for it, though I note the judge is giving you a hard time.
Mr. Fuller:
Very thoughtful, but as they say in 10:10, “no problem”. What thoughtful, objective, fair-minded, political party members have created that label for themselves? I see no need to label Mr. Cuccinelli. He’s doing his job.

Bill in Vigo
October 6, 2010 10:49 pm

I suspect that Dr. Mann shall have to answer some very pointed questions along with certain other folks at the university. I suspect that we shall have to also watch out for the possibility of grant monies being used to “lawyer up” pending the progress of the investigations. I wonder how many times the 5th Amendment will be used during these interesting sessions. I do hope that at some time they become public and some reputable media outlets cover the proceedings.
Bill Derryberry

Amino Acids in Meteorites
October 6, 2010 10:53 pm

…FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request for e-mail held by the University, claiming the e-mail no longer existed. When Virginia Attorney General Cuccinelli served a subpoena on the University to deliver the e-mail, the supposedly deleted and non-existent e-mail was recovered from the University computer servers. Consequently, it appears there is every reason to suspect a crime was committed when the citizen’s FOIA request was denied on the basis of a fraudulent claim of destruction of the e-mail.
Interesting.
Most people think that when they delete something it’s gone. But it is still on hard drive. Just in a different place.

Amino Acids in Meteorites
October 6, 2010 10:56 pm

The Influence of Federal Dollars

Doug UK
October 6, 2010 10:59 pm

Very interesting post for someone in the UK considering that our Information Commissioner stated that the UoEA did break the law, but cannot be prosecuted because here in the UK there is a stupid 6 month period after which any FoI request “falls through the cracks”.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/27/uea-hacked-climate-emails-foi
So from this side of the pond – I say go for it! – and if your legal process as applied to Mann identifies and brings to a wider audience the wrongdoing of the CRU at the UoEA, then that would be a bonus given that in the UK, the law is an ass and allowed Jones et al to slip of the hook.

Doug in Seattle
October 6, 2010 11:03 pm

While I have some doubts about the intentions of politicians of all stripes, Mann’s deliberate evasion of polite requests for data and code from Steve McIntyre looks suspicious, and his email exchanges with others in the climategate disclosures provides further justification for suspicion.
I think it is important for the UVA CID to be followed to its conclusion. Perhaps Cuccinelli will end up looking like a fool, but perhaps it will end otherwise. I don’t think Cuccinelli will be able lay charges without clear evidence of wrong doing. And if he does not succeed it will help Mann more than harms him.
My only hope is that what Cuccinelli is doing will help make climate science more open to outside scrutiny. Something that won’t likely happen in the absence of a proper inquiry – Which has not occurred to date with respect to any of the Climategate principals.

Olaf Koenders
October 6, 2010 11:04 pm

Definitely well-written. I knew that CID against Mann was going to be interesting. I also knew the statement:
“What Ken Cuccinelli is doing is going fishing for wrongdoing without an allegation of such wrongdoing”
..is incorrect. The allegations are in the CID, and the evidence, as we all know, is all over the net.

Bill H
October 6, 2010 11:07 pm

the mere fact that FOIA laws were broken, Mann and the university lied about the e-mails which were subject to the law, and they were not destroyed as purported is primafacia evidence to continue investigation at full speed.
One must ask why they knowingly hid the data? this act does not bode well fro Mann or the college… it indicates premeditation.

Olaf Koenders
October 6, 2010 11:08 pm

Thomas Fuller:
This is just a minor misunderstanding. I always like your posts and will continue to read them.. 🙂

October 6, 2010 11:10 pm

AGW folks and U.Va. want their asymmetrical application of civil and legal rights:
Excerpted from http://www.thegwpf.org/climategate/1050-us-university-at-center-of-battles-over-climate-change.html
… U.Va. has before it separate demands for information — a civil subpoena from the state attorney general and a Freedom of Information request from Greenpeace…
[Protect the AGW side]
U.Va. last month filed a petition in Albemarle County Circuit Court seeking to block Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli’s civil investigative demands, or CIDs, for climate research by former U.Va. professor Michael Mann. [Judge ruled in their favor.]
[Help the AGW side attack the sceptics]
The university has sought an extension to the FOI request that Greenpeace filed in December for information on former state climatologist Patrick J. Michaels and another retired professor, both of whom are outspoken skeptics of global warming, as is Cuccinelli. [not denied, just give us more time]
What’s not mentioned, but implied, is when U.Va. said that they don’t have the Mann emails and papers, they told Grenpeace that U.Va. only needed more time to produce the Michaels and Singer materials that would be used by Greenpeace to discredit the skeptics.
In short, denial for Mann papers and “just a second” for the Michaels and Singer papers. Could it be any more clear that they wish “special privileges for me, but not for thee.”

October 6, 2010 11:20 pm

Anyone who has studied the way climate science works realises that this area is obviously susceptible to fraud: no one can re-measure the global temperature, it simply isn’t possible to retrospectively investigate the measurements -particularly where you have a small group of people of a like mind who control the collection, storage and analysis of data.
Unfortunately, if the climategate inquiries did anything it was to give a green light to the sloppy practices, poor standards and lack of first class resources & personnel which encourage & nurture fraud.
To be frank, there’s no independent scrutiny of climate “science”, dissenting voices have been eliminated by the likes of Mann and therefore far from increasing confidence, the public have rightly lost all confidence in this “science”.
Paradoxically, if these lawsuits do come to court, and the public do see that climate scientists are “not above the law”, there may be a short term dip in confidence as the ardent warmers lose confidence, but long term the effect is bound to increase confidence by the general public if they see that there is effective independent scrutiny.
Ironic isn’t it!

John Whitman
October 6, 2010 11:28 pm

D. Patterson,
Well said. Thank you.
Additionally, I think the UoV will start to cooperate, probably is cooperating as we speak.
John

October 6, 2010 11:40 pm

Mr. Patterson,
You make a cogent argument for the prosecution. However, I still must defend my previous post and disagree with you.
Regarding the FOI request, I believe the University has a lower level of diligence required of it to search for and produce information for FOI than say, in response to a subpoena. If I’m wrong, I’ve no doubt we’ll hear of it quickly here in comments. If I’m correct, it explains without need for wrongful intent or action why an email not found in one instance can be found in another.
I don’t believe scientists are more honest than other humans and I do believe they should be bound by law. If prima facie evidence exists of a crime then I believe action is warranted. To date, I don’t see evidence of that. You cite numerous other cases where criminal behaviour has been found, but I don’t see their applicability to Mann’s situation or the University’s, for that matter.
The United States has seen fit to treat differing classes of industry sectors differently in regards to various laws. The most obvious is the greater license granted to journalists, given what the state recognizes as a compelling need for a fourth estate to monitor the behaviour of the great and mighty. A scientist resorting to desperate measures to defend his work can be by turns disgusting, pitiable and infuriating. I would submit that Michael Mann has been all of these. But given the adversarial nature of scientific publishing–very much like litigants–it does not venture far from the norm in this type of case.
The threat of creating a chilling environment for scientific publications must be considered. Do we not have enough of a perverse incentive leading to piggy back publications regarding climate change and other controversial topics? Is it not possible that overzealous prosecution will impede scientific progress?
When I wrote that district attorneys (should have been Attorneys General) are not always Republican, what I should have probably said was that the scientist in the crosshairs may not always be from the well-defended and funded consensus position. I greatly fear that this may serve as a precedent that will be used to marginalize and even silence scientists that publish papers that may offend the majority rather than support it, as in Mann’s case.
So although I think you make a strong case, for me it fails.

UK Sceptic
October 7, 2010 12:05 am

Bravo D. Patterson!

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