Some weeks we are given gifts from on high. This week was one of them.
Give thanks to George Monbiot for this gem, from his essay:
Climate change enlightenment was fun while it lasted. But now it’s dead
The best outcome anyone now expects from December’s climate summit in Mexico is that some delegates might stay awake during the meetings.
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But nobody cares enough to make a fight of it. The disagreements are simultaneously entrenched and muted. The doctor’s certificate has not been issued; perhaps, to save face, it never will be. But the harsh reality we have to grasp is that the process is dead.
George still doesn’t get this bit though:
Greens are a puny force by comparison to industrial lobby groups, the cowardice of governments and the natural human tendency to deny what we don’t want to see.
It was regular citizens, blogs, and somebody who had the courage to bring CRU’s emails to sunlight to show the world what they were really dealing with. There wasn’t any “industrial lobby”, just a bunch of regular folks who were fed up with being fed mushroom food. Once it was out in the open, exposed by this rag tag bunch of citizens and bloggers, the greens pretty much did the rest themselves by their pathetic public relations on the situation.
And soon, they’ll be on to the next big scare.
Read the whole article here
“It was regular citizens, blogs, and somebody who had the courage to bring CRU’s emails to sunlight to show the world what they were really dealing with. There wasn’t any “industrial lobby”, just a bunch of regular folks who were fed up with being fed mushroom food. ”
Absolutely right. Well stated, Anthony.
THAT is the message that I would like to see put out there. These guys are now trying to play the victim card while they have been the dishonest manipulators all along.
“Missing from the proposed cuts are the net greenhouse gas emissions we have outsourced to other countries and now import in the form of manufactured goods. Were these included in the UK’s accounts, alongside the aviation, shipping and tourism gases excluded from official figures, Britain’s emissions would rise by 48%.”
So even Moonbiot admits that the primary effect of artificially increasing the cost of industrial production in the UK has been to increase CO2 emissions by pushing the jobs out to countries which aren’t committing economic suicide, where production is far less energy-efficient and the products have to be shipped thousands of miles.
Good one, Greenies!
Meeting in Cancun, partying, eating a lot of Mexican food, drinking a lot of Mexican beer, all those drinks using that local Mexican water…
Hope they bought enough equivalent carbon offsets for all those methane releases.
Offsets for the lost carbon sequestration due to consumption of processed coca plant derivatives are optional….
LOL his last try to get attention for the sinking ship of CAGW.
And in the comments at the original article, Moonbat reacts to someone, saying:
“In the meantime, if you want an intelligent debate, please drop stupid terms like ecofascism. Read a little history and find out what fascism looked like.”
In his article he does use ‘denier’ by himself. What a hypocrite this man is.
How low can one go? He did hit rock bottom here imho. In content and in language.
It may help George M if he were to stop worrying about the Politics of Climate. At least for just long enough that he can have an honest look at why so many climate realists link that the Alarmism he has personally helped to Foster is somewhat overblown.
Thanks for all you have done, Anthony. The fantasy that big industry is funding some anti-Climate Change movement is amazing.
Next big scare … hmmmm … walruses … no, that’s so last year.
I know! Let’s shovel a whole lotta fertilizer on genetically enhanced foods, aka Frankenfoods (love that scary handle). Just have a bunch of crazed out wackos run around with pretty signs for the cameras.
Some big industrial lobby group … bloggers.
The reality is that Sally House-coat and Johnny Lunchbucket woke up and realized that they were being sold a bill of goods by the “fear-brigade”. The pathologically afraid and all those trying to cash in on it … including the fund seeking universities, the politicians and the MSM. The alarmists huffed, and they puffed, but they couldn’t blow the house down. Nice try, Al. Back to the drawing board, hey? Maybe you can dream up a new fear next year.
Chalk one up for the little guy!
Arrogance and self-interest takes it on the chin.
Anthony, thank you very much for the article but I think we are creating the false impression here that the MSM climate change scare has been overcome.
This is IMO absolutely not the case.
The government of my former country for example is still in the process of building a 100 billion Euro water defense because the politicians believe there will be a drastic rise of ocean levels by 2050 and in the USA governmental budgets for climate spending are beyond belief.
World wide the quest for cap & trade is still underway and even in the USA the subject still slumbers on many agenda’s.
The overall economic and social consequences at this moment in time are mind boggling and the consequences for millions of people are devastating.
Thousands of pensioners in the UK can no longer pay their energy bills, many people in development countries can no longer afford the minimum amount of food necessary to survive and the flood of climate change propaganda still has not ceased.
In China an entire region has been banned from the use of coal without sufficient alternative energy sources available to make it through the next (cold)winter and in Sudan people are beaten up and punished for using camel dung for cooking with no other fuel at their disposal.
The Thompson family in Australia risking to lose their land is only the tip of of a giant iceberg from what’s really going on right now.
Politicians and policy makers have gone “underground” in regard to the decision making process of budgets and regulation to fight Climate Change and serious efforts are undertaken to bypass the public. Any opposition, no matter how polite, is demonized and often punished by blocking careers, budgets and people, including scientists, journalists and meteorologists are even losing their jobs.
I am convinced that we are just at the beginning of a long and hard battle that will bring us far beyond the scientific aspects of climate science.
At this moment in time we might have won the climate change battle by arguments, but we still haven’t won the war ergo we are not even engaged in the fighting.
Please don’t regard my comments in any way as criticism because I think you and the entire WUWT community are doing a terrific job with effects far beyond my expectations with an ever growing global public.
I am just trying to make the point that this is just the beginning of a huge battle with an highly uncertain outcome.
Lord Monckton has taken the fight on a political level when he joined a political party in the UK.
I think his initiative is a strong hint where the next battle will take place.
I think it will be very difficult to avoid any political engagement.
I don’t know how or in what form so I am left with a qyestion.
Watts Next?
Because, of course, the “regular citizens” and bloggers, are more competent climatologists than the people who have spent their entire lives studying the subject. Because science is decided by popular vote and expertise matters nothing. Because those “regular citizens” have not at all been influenced by organized campaigns to discredit climate science – they came to the conclusion that it was false entirely on their own, completely independently. Because those “regular citizens” put science first and ideology second – because there is absolutely no correlation between political and religious convictions and acceptance of AGW and because those convictions were arrived at after their mind was made up on AGW, not long before that. Because Monbiot would absolutely write such a desperate piece if he was an agent of a vast conspiracy to tax the common folk over some non-issues….
I definitely see the logic…
REPLY: What’s really interesting is that “regular citizens” like myself, have the integrity to put their name to their words, even if unpopular, while academics like yourself take no- risk pot-shots from the comfort of anonymity. Class act there perfesser. You and Eli Rabbet should compare notes. – Anthony
Monbiot says: “I don’t know. These failures have exposed not only familiar political problems, but deep-rooted human weakness. All I know is that we must stop dreaming about an institutional response that will never materialise and start facing a political reality we’ve sought to avoid. The conversation starts here.”
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Hmmm. The institution is in your camp, bud, not ours.
If they are not your friend….then, the “Institution”…wow… they DEFINITELY are not our friend.
Ask your friends Lisa Jackson, Al Gore, or John Holdren.
Or to take a step further past the Political Establishment and into the “Scientific” Establishment, ask Michael Mann, James Hansen, or Ben Santer, for that matter.
I am sure they and Gavin Schmidt and others would snuggle up to you discussing issues at a coffee shop, before they would even begin to give us the time of day.
Your whining, George, is pitiful.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Greens are a puny force? Perhaps Monbiot is just being prescient.
I suspect, though, that Joanne Nova surprised herself when she tapped the power behind “just a bunch of regular folks who were fed up with being fed mushroom food.”
I predict it will be a cold autumn and winter for the more rabid of the greens. What next? Demonstrations to defer closing power plants?
Read the whole article and all the comments. George hasn’t lost a scintilla of his faith in CAGW. Poor George! Poor, poor George!! Oh the humanity!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!
It may not be the next big scare, but California is moving down the road to being even more hopelessly un-competitive in the world market. This is the greens’ requirement known as the Green Chemistry Initiative. This will be a complete disaster, causing jobs losses, business departures, and, as stated above, increased pollution via manufacturing in far away places then transporting products long distances.
see http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/pollutionprevention/greenchemistryinitiative/index.cfm
[snip – off topic, wrong thread, feel free to repost on sea ice news]
Before there was a climate hoax owned by morons, One of the first Christian Crusades was that of The Children Crusade.
After roaming Europe for a while, off to Italy they went. Upon entering Italy, the Italians took over the crusade and obliged the children into slavery or a life as whores. .
As for this end of the world climate disruption hoax, History symbolically repeats itself again.
“And soon, they’ll be on to the next big scare.”
… solar magnetism under threat?
or… carbon radioactivity alarms politicians?
R. de Haan says: (September 20, 2010 at 8:51 pm) I am convinced that we are just at the beginning of a long and hard battle that will bring us far beyond the scientific aspects of climate science.
I fully endorse the general tenor of your comment, R. de Haan.
There is more confirmation daily that this never was about “climate change” or science (although many of both good and ill will even now believe it was and is), but was, and again is, about power; about money; about control — and perhaps even bitterness (the loser’s revenge?).
The major difficulty I see in defeating this whole juggernaut is the convincing of good people in positions of power that… that they’ve been had (to use shorthand).
These people of goodwill have to be firstly shown they have been misled; then shown they have the support of the people in standing up for truth ─ because that is not always easy for politician or scientist or policymaker.
Most of them need to know they will not have to defend the bridge on their own ─ although there will always be the good and the brave who will step forward as individuals and make a stand (we should not forget them).
“Because science is decided by popular vote and expertise matters nothing.”
I believe you’ll find that it’s the alarmists who have been claiming that science is decided by ‘consensus’ rather than by facts.
And the problem Moonbiot has is that the supposed ‘facts’ collapse the moment that anyone with half an ounce of scientific training looks at them. My tutors at Oxford would have laughed me out of the room if I’d presented them with what passes for science in the ‘global anthropogenic climate disruption’ scam these days.
I smiled at one of the comments (from saigonio):
“Well done, George — you are one of the first of the Warmies to make it to Stage 4 of the grieving process for a lost love.
The Five Stages Of Grief are:
1. Denial and Isolation.
2. Anger.
3. Bargaining.
4. Depression.
5. Acceptance.”
I think there may be something to this. The unspoken truth may be that sometimes, people feel embarrassed and just want to crawl in a hole where past indiscretions can be suppressed, and notoriety outlived. Fat chance of that, mind.
They still can’t come right out and say they’re wrong. They take home their ball and won’t come out to play, and it’s all the fault of those pigheaded folk who wouldn’t let them be the team captain; one day, they’ll be sorry…
But nobody cares enough to make a fight of it.
Actually George, the people you say don’t want to fight are in reality, seeing ‘global warming’ isn’t real. They likely don’t want to waste the life fighting an imaginary problem. They have a real life of their own to take care of.
Also, George, I still remember your rudeness, really, it was viciousness, to Ian Plimer. You rabid actions did more harm to your fight than good. Your character in dealing with your opponent revealed something about global warming that makes people smell a rat.
…it’s always fun to laugh out loud at the Moonbat
(“Even so, none of them are real. Missing from the proposed cuts are the net greenhouse gas emissions we have outsourced to other countries and now import in the form of manufactured goods. Were these included in the UK’s accounts, alongside the aviation, shipping and tourism gases excluded from official figures, Britain’s emissions would rise by 48%.”)
…Tourism gases?? I’ll hold the wisecracks!
However, folks, I know this crowd very well, having worked in the environmental consulting business for over 25 years, much of it dealing with alternative energy and methane mitigation. Don’t consider the fight over yet, there is far too much power, money and influence at stake.
USEPA will make their move shortly, now that cap and trade legislation is dead. Watch for it. My clients are quietly preparing for the eventuality of carbon regulation. EPA has all the authority they need, backed up by the US Supreme Court.
It was regular citizens, blogs, and somebody who had the courage to bring CRU’s emails to sunlight to show the world what they were really dealing with.
It was also a select few. Such as Anthony. (Et al., but I don’t want to list some and leave others out.)
What an honor to be a part of it!
George M. wrote: “The enlightenment? Fun while it lasted.” It may have been fun for some, ignorant pendants perhaps, but enlightening, I question that? This whole AWG foolishness has been and is anything but. He did get his punctuation correct, I do give credit for that. Probably some underpaid copy editor in reality.
It greatly pleases me to see George M weeping, whining and complaining.