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Some weeks we are given gifts from on high. This week was one of them.

Give thanks to George Monbiot for this gem, from his essay:

Climate change enlightenment was fun while it lasted. But now it’s dead

The best outcome anyone now expects from December’s climate summit in Mexico is that some delegates might stay awake during the meetings.

But nobody cares enough to make a fight of it. The disagreements are simultaneously entrenched and muted. The doctor’s certificate has not been issued; perhaps, to save face, it never will be. But the harsh reality we have to grasp is that the process is dead.

George still doesn’t get this bit though:

Greens are a puny force by comparison to industrial lobby groups, the cowardice of governments and the natural human tendency to deny what we don’t want to see.

It was regular citizens, blogs, and somebody who had the courage to bring CRU’s emails to sunlight to show the world what they were really dealing with. There wasn’t any “industrial lobby”, just a bunch of regular folks who were fed up with being fed mushroom food. Once it was out in the open, exposed by this rag tag bunch of citizens and bloggers, the greens pretty much did the rest themselves by their pathetic public relations on the situation.

And soon, they’ll be on to the next big scare.

Read the whole article here

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Lew Skannen

“It was regular citizens, blogs, and somebody who had the courage to bring CRU’s emails to sunlight to show the world what they were really dealing with. There wasn’t any “industrial lobby”, just a bunch of regular folks who were fed up with being fed mushroom food. ”
Absolutely right. Well stated, Anthony.
THAT is the message that I would like to see put out there. These guys are now trying to play the victim card while they have been the dishonest manipulators all along.

MarkG

“Missing from the proposed cuts are the net greenhouse gas emissions we have outsourced to other countries and now import in the form of manufactured goods. Were these included in the UK’s accounts, alongside the aviation, shipping and tourism gases excluded from official figures, Britain’s emissions would rise by 48%.”
So even Moonbiot admits that the primary effect of artificially increasing the cost of industrial production in the UK has been to increase CO2 emissions by pushing the jobs out to countries which aren’t committing economic suicide, where production is far less energy-efficient and the products have to be shipped thousands of miles.
Good one, Greenies!

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

Meeting in Cancun, partying, eating a lot of Mexican food, drinking a lot of Mexican beer, all those drinks using that local Mexican water…
Hope they bought enough equivalent carbon offsets for all those methane releases.
Offsets for the lost carbon sequestration due to consumption of processed coca plant derivatives are optional….

Scarface

LOL his last try to get attention for the sinking ship of CAGW.
And in the comments at the original article, Moonbat reacts to someone, saying:
“In the meantime, if you want an intelligent debate, please drop stupid terms like ecofascism. Read a little history and find out what fascism looked like.”
In his article he does use ‘denier’ by himself. What a hypocrite this man is.
How low can one go? He did hit rock bottom here imho. In content and in language.

Rob R

It may help George M if he were to stop worrying about the Politics of Climate. At least for just long enough that he can have an honest look at why so many climate realists link that the Alarmism he has personally helped to Foster is somewhat overblown.

Steve Keohane

Thanks for all you have done, Anthony. The fantasy that big industry is funding some anti-Climate Change movement is amazing.

Leon Brozyna

Next big scare … hmmmm … walruses … no, that’s so last year.
I know! Let’s shovel a whole lotta fertilizer on genetically enhanced foods, aka Frankenfoods (love that scary handle). Just have a bunch of crazed out wackos run around with pretty signs for the cameras.

John Q Public

Some big industrial lobby group … bloggers.
The reality is that Sally House-coat and Johnny Lunchbucket woke up and realized that they were being sold a bill of goods by the “fear-brigade”. The pathologically afraid and all those trying to cash in on it … including the fund seeking universities, the politicians and the MSM. The alarmists huffed, and they puffed, but they couldn’t blow the house down. Nice try, Al. Back to the drawing board, hey? Maybe you can dream up a new fear next year.
Chalk one up for the little guy!
Arrogance and self-interest takes it on the chin.

R. de Haan

Anthony, thank you very much for the article but I think we are creating the false impression here that the MSM climate change scare has been overcome.
This is IMO absolutely not the case.
The government of my former country for example is still in the process of building a 100 billion Euro water defense because the politicians believe there will be a drastic rise of ocean levels by 2050 and in the USA governmental budgets for climate spending are beyond belief.
World wide the quest for cap & trade is still underway and even in the USA the subject still slumbers on many agenda’s.
The overall economic and social consequences at this moment in time are mind boggling and the consequences for millions of people are devastating.
Thousands of pensioners in the UK can no longer pay their energy bills, many people in development countries can no longer afford the minimum amount of food necessary to survive and the flood of climate change propaganda still has not ceased.
In China an entire region has been banned from the use of coal without sufficient alternative energy sources available to make it through the next (cold)winter and in Sudan people are beaten up and punished for using camel dung for cooking with no other fuel at their disposal.
The Thompson family in Australia risking to lose their land is only the tip of of a giant iceberg from what’s really going on right now.
Politicians and policy makers have gone “underground” in regard to the decision making process of budgets and regulation to fight Climate Change and serious efforts are undertaken to bypass the public. Any opposition, no matter how polite, is demonized and often punished by blocking careers, budgets and people, including scientists, journalists and meteorologists are even losing their jobs.
I am convinced that we are just at the beginning of a long and hard battle that will bring us far beyond the scientific aspects of climate science.
At this moment in time we might have won the climate change battle by arguments, but we still haven’t won the war ergo we are not even engaged in the fighting.
Please don’t regard my comments in any way as criticism because I think you and the entire WUWT community are doing a terrific job with effects far beyond my expectations with an ever growing global public.
I am just trying to make the point that this is just the beginning of a huge battle with an highly uncertain outcome.
Lord Monckton has taken the fight on a political level when he joined a political party in the UK.
I think his initiative is a strong hint where the next battle will take place.
I think it will be very difficult to avoid any political engagement.
I don’t know how or in what form so I am left with a qyestion.
Watts Next?

GM

It was regular citizens, blogs, and somebody who had the courage to bring CRU’s emails to sunlight to show the world what they were really dealing with. There wasn’t any “industrial lobby”, just a bunch of regular folks who were fed up with being fed mushroom food. Once it was out in the open, exposed by this rag tag bunch of citizens and bloggers, the greens pretty much did the rest themselves by their pathetic public relations on the situation.

Because, of course, the “regular citizens” and bloggers, are more competent climatologists than the people who have spent their entire lives studying the subject. Because science is decided by popular vote and expertise matters nothing. Because those “regular citizens” have not at all been influenced by organized campaigns to discredit climate science – they came to the conclusion that it was false entirely on their own, completely independently. Because those “regular citizens” put science first and ideology second – because there is absolutely no correlation between political and religious convictions and acceptance of AGW and because those convictions were arrived at after their mind was made up on AGW, not long before that. Because Monbiot would absolutely write such a desperate piece if he was an agent of a vast conspiracy to tax the common folk over some non-issues….
I definitely see the logic…
REPLY: What’s really interesting is that “regular citizens” like myself, have the integrity to put their name to their words, even if unpopular, while academics like yourself take no- risk pot-shots from the comfort of anonymity. Class act there perfesser. You and Eli Rabbet should compare notes. – Anthony

savethesharks

Monbiot says: “I don’t know. These failures have exposed not only familiar political problems, but deep-rooted human weakness. All I know is that we must stop dreaming about an institutional response that will never materialise and start facing a political reality we’ve sought to avoid. The conversation starts here.”
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Hmmm. The institution is in your camp, bud, not ours.
If they are not your friend….then, the “Institution”…wow… they DEFINITELY are not our friend.
Ask your friends Lisa Jackson, Al Gore, or John Holdren.
Or to take a step further past the Political Establishment and into the “Scientific” Establishment, ask Michael Mann, James Hansen, or Ben Santer, for that matter.
I am sure they and Gavin Schmidt and others would snuggle up to you discussing issues at a coffee shop, before they would even begin to give us the time of day.
Your whining, George, is pitiful.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Greens are a puny force? Perhaps Monbiot is just being prescient.
I suspect, though, that Joanne Nova surprised herself when she tapped the power behind “just a bunch of regular folks who were fed up with being fed mushroom food.”
I predict it will be a cold autumn and winter for the more rabid of the greens. What next? Demonstrations to defer closing power plants?

mr.artday

Read the whole article and all the comments. George hasn’t lost a scintilla of his faith in CAGW. Poor George! Poor, poor George!! Oh the humanity!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!

It may not be the next big scare, but California is moving down the road to being even more hopelessly un-competitive in the world market. This is the greens’ requirement known as the Green Chemistry Initiative. This will be a complete disaster, causing jobs losses, business departures, and, as stated above, increased pollution via manufacturing in far away places then transporting products long distances.
see http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/pollutionprevention/greenchemistryinitiative/index.cfm

Gator

[snip – off topic, wrong thread, feel free to repost on sea ice news]

Chuck

Before there was a climate hoax owned by morons, One of the first Christian Crusades was that of The Children Crusade.
After roaming Europe for a while, off to Italy they went. Upon entering Italy, the Italians took over the crusade and obliged the children into slavery or a life as whores. .
As for this end of the world climate disruption hoax, History symbolically repeats itself again.

Engchamp

“And soon, they’ll be on to the next big scare.”
… solar magnetism under threat?
or… carbon radioactivity alarms politicians?

Roger Carr

R. de Haan says: (September 20, 2010 at 8:51 pm) I am convinced that we are just at the beginning of a long and hard battle that will bring us far beyond the scientific aspects of climate science.
I fully endorse the general tenor of your comment, R. de Haan.
     There is more confirmation daily that this never was about “climate change” or science (although many of both good and ill will even now believe it was and is), but was, and again is, about power; about money; about control — and perhaps even bitterness (the loser’s revenge?).
     The major difficulty I see in defeating this whole juggernaut is the convincing of good people in positions of power that… that they’ve been had (to use shorthand).
     These people of goodwill have to be firstly shown they have been misled; then shown they have the support of the people in standing up for truth ─ because that is not always easy for politician or scientist or policymaker.
     Most of them need to know they will not have to defend the bridge on their own ─ although there will always be the good and the brave who will step forward as individuals and make a stand (we should not forget them).

MarkG

“Because science is decided by popular vote and expertise matters nothing.”
I believe you’ll find that it’s the alarmists who have been claiming that science is decided by ‘consensus’ rather than by facts.
And the problem Moonbiot has is that the supposed ‘facts’ collapse the moment that anyone with half an ounce of scientific training looks at them. My tutors at Oxford would have laughed me out of the room if I’d presented them with what passes for science in the ‘global anthropogenic climate disruption’ scam these days.

Michael Larkin

I smiled at one of the comments (from saigonio):
“Well done, George — you are one of the first of the Warmies to make it to Stage 4 of the grieving process for a lost love.
The Five Stages Of Grief are:
1. Denial and Isolation.
2. Anger.
3. Bargaining.
4. Depression.
5. Acceptance.”
I think there may be something to this. The unspoken truth may be that sometimes, people feel embarrassed and just want to crawl in a hole where past indiscretions can be suppressed, and notoriety outlived. Fat chance of that, mind.
They still can’t come right out and say they’re wrong. They take home their ball and won’t come out to play, and it’s all the fault of those pigheaded folk who wouldn’t let them be the team captain; one day, they’ll be sorry…

But nobody cares enough to make a fight of it.
Actually George, the people you say don’t want to fight are in reality, seeing ‘global warming’ isn’t real. They likely don’t want to waste the life fighting an imaginary problem. They have a real life of their own to take care of.
Also, George, I still remember your rudeness, really, it was viciousness, to Ian Plimer. You rabid actions did more harm to your fight than good. Your character in dealing with your opponent revealed something about global warming that makes people smell a rat.

CRS, Dr.P.H.

…it’s always fun to laugh out loud at the Moonbat
(“Even so, none of them are real. Missing from the proposed cuts are the net greenhouse gas emissions we have outsourced to other countries and now import in the form of manufactured goods. Were these included in the UK’s accounts, alongside the aviation, shipping and tourism gases excluded from official figures, Britain’s emissions would rise by 48%.”)
…Tourism gases?? I’ll hold the wisecracks!
However, folks, I know this crowd very well, having worked in the environmental consulting business for over 25 years, much of it dealing with alternative energy and methane mitigation. Don’t consider the fight over yet, there is far too much power, money and influence at stake.
USEPA will make their move shortly, now that cap and trade legislation is dead. Watch for it. My clients are quietly preparing for the eventuality of carbon regulation. EPA has all the authority they need, backed up by the US Supreme Court.

Evan Jones

It was regular citizens, blogs, and somebody who had the courage to bring CRU’s emails to sunlight to show the world what they were really dealing with.
It was also a select few. Such as Anthony. (Et al., but I don’t want to list some and leave others out.)
What an honor to be a part of it!

George M. wrote: “The enlightenment? Fun while it lasted.” It may have been fun for some, ignorant pendants perhaps, but enlightening, I question that? This whole AWG foolishness has been and is anything but. He did get his punctuation correct, I do give credit for that. Probably some underpaid copy editor in reality.

John Murphy

It greatly pleases me to see George M weeping, whining and complaining.

jorgekafkazar

“It was regular citizens, blogs, and somebody who had the courage to bring CRU’s emails to sunlight to show the world what they were really dealing with. There wasn’t any “industrial lobby”, just a bunch of regular folks who were fed up with being fed mushroom food. ”
Meanwhile, the mainstream media stood by and did…nothing.

Evan Jones

Because, of course, the “regular citizens” and bloggers, are more competent climatologists than the people who have spent their entire lives studying the subject.
Um, yes.
Surprisingly more so.
Because science is decided by popular vote and expertise matters nothing. Because those “regular citizens” have not at all been influenced by organized campaigns to discredit climate science – they came to the conclusion that it was false entirely on their own, completely independently.
Oh! The irony! It burns!
Because those “regular citizens” put science first and ideology second – because there is absolutely no correlation between political and religious convictions and acceptance of AGW and because those convictions were arrived at after their mind was made up on AGW, not long before that.
Well, I’m, a non-believer, myself, but to be on the safe side, I’ll predict an average increase in lightning strikes in your general vicinity.

rbateman

Judging from the last 120 years of 4 climate panics, the Big Chill Out will eventually put many of the activists on the Next Ice Age scare. The timing of the ship jumping will depend entirely on how hard & fast the icing-down of the climate manifests itself.

charles nelson

I agree with many people that climate change alarmism is a kind of modern, secular religion for many of its ordinary followers but I have long suspected that those at the top end of the AGW hierarchy think of it as a ‘brand’.
Indeed it was during the pathetic UK summer of 1996 that I first noticed how global warming stories always/only appeared in the media during (rare) spells of warm or sunny weather…rather like the local radio commercials for sunscreen, ice-cream and holiday attractions that only get scheduled when the temperature goes above an agreed setpoint.
It was clear to me then, that there was a coherent marketing/pr strategy at work and given the frisson of millenial panic in the air at the time, I was not surprised that within a few years ‘media saturation’ had been achieved.
However even the most popular and successful ‘campaigns’ have a definite life cycle. And we know how hard the creative teams work to ‘re-invent or re-invigorate’ the brand. (Note I haven’t even mentioned the quality of the actual ‘product’ yet.)
For the next five years the ‘creatives’ worked hard at their brief and as it turned out luck was on their side. There were indeed a series of unusually mild winters and to cap it all a perfect English summer in 2003.
Once upon a time the pale population of that country would have celebrated such a scorcher by roasting themselves pink and drinking copious amounts of beer but with all the media singing from the same hymn-sheet, this beautiful summer weather was repackaged and sold as a early symptom imminent planetary doom. The AGW brand reigned supreme and vast numbers of decent people were genuinely frightened that environmental Apocalypse was just round the corner.
Of course the following year, the predicted Sahara like conditions failed to materialize and as I recall it was grey, damp, chilly and in every way ‘normal’ British Summer. In retrospect we can identify that summer as the peak of the carefully engineered hysteria. Without Al Gore and his dodgy graphs and charts the whole idea would have been forgotten shortly thereafter. Undoubtedly ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ reached a vast audience and did give the brand a new lease of life but the product was the same.
In the ad business there’s an old adage…’you can’t polish a turd’ and Gore’s effort to gloss the AGW brand with ‘science’ rang as hollow as those ads where models in white coats, and glasses carrying clipboards tell us about creams scientifically proven to hide signs of aging.
One of the problems faced by the team at AGW today as they struggle with their now weary old ‘brand’ is that in the exhuberence of the early days they fired off rather too many of their big guns at once. Startling, nay, terrifying claims rolled out thick and fast; five foot sea level rises, mosquito plagues, blistering summers, droughts, floods, tidal waves, famines, mass extinctions…No More Snow! Not only have none of these things come to pass, they have exhausted people’s ability or willingness to be frightened. Not only was the damned product useless when it came to accurately predicting Armagiddeon, it was massively over-hyped!
With a few tragi-comical exceptions, like the ABC here in Australia, few self respecting media outlets are prepared to print the ‘press release’ verbatim (complete with absurd headline.) The love affair between the scaremongers and the media is over.
So next time you hear of some warmist academics holding a meeting about better ways to get their ‘message’ across, think of them as if they were slightly shabby ‘ad-men’ in a dreary little provincial agency wrestling with a dying brand.
It certainly makes me feel better!

Iren

USEPA will make their move shortly, now that cap and trade legislation is dead. Watch for it. My clients are quietly preparing for the eventuality of carbon regulation. EPA has all the authority they need, backed up by the US Supreme Court.

Not if they’re reined in by Congress. The ray of sunshine is that many of the selected candidates on the GOP side are sceptics. A bit of defunding of the EPA would do wonders, both for the environment and the budget bottom line!

Rod Grant

Good one, GM! You just proved that you haven’t been taking notice. The common people for years have been fed AGW propaganda, why any honest scientist has been side-lined, black listed, or even dismissed by the AGW cartel. Some of us common people needed a wake-up call, but now awake are quite capable of understanding some stuff (in spite of having no science experience beyond middle high school). Messrs Mann, Briffa, Jones et al, CANNOT hide the medieval warm period, the little ice age, the normal regular variation in the climatic cycle, or any other thing that is proven beyond doubt. We, the common people, know all about past. We even remember the prognostications of the Holdrens, Schneiders etc, of the 1970s when we were all going to die of frostbite!
Mr(s) GM, if you have data that proves the man-induced nature of global warming, climate change, climate disruption, then please produce it. But, here’s the caveat, let it be real data; non-homogenised, not anecdotal, not manipulated, not adjusted, not from weather stations that have been overrun by urban development or that are 1000 miles away, and not induced from tree rings when the growth is inconsistant with the KNOWN climate conditions. Oh yeah, and not lost.

Neil Jones

“And soon, they’ll be on to the next big scare.”
“THE PLANET’S FREEZING!”

Huth

I agree with the zzzzzzzz. People are just tired of being bombarded with unconvincing ‘facts’ and directions about how to behave. Sceptics are right to say that climate disruption, or whatever the latest buzz word is, has become a religion.
Result: people like me have decided to just carry on regardless. Nothing we do is going to make a discernible difference so we might as well carry on being good citizens guided by our own internal morality. Once the spouting about how to behave comes from ‘on high’, it’s time to walk away.

GM;
Because those “regular citizens” have not at all been influenced by organized campaigns to discredit climate science – they came to the conclusion that it was false entirely on their own, completely independently>>
I can’t speak for others, but for myself, that is exactly correct. The first detailed document I ever read in regard to Global Warming was IPCC AR4. The misleading statements, the exagerated claims, the vague references made me suspiscious. I started asking questions, some dumb ones, some tough ones on various warmist blogs and soon learned that tough questions just disappear, or get edited and responded to out of context to make the questioner look foolish. The more I dug into the warmist literature, official and otherwise, the more discrepancies, exagerations, half truths and outright lies I found. I was a skeptic long before I discovered WUWT, not because of debunking articles, but because legitmate questions of the warmist literature are met not with answers or explanations, but with ridicule or are simply snipped out of existance. These are the classic signs of a cover up.
So yes GM, I did get to that conclusion all on my own, mostly by reading the very literature that you claim is the scientific consensus.
CO2 is logarithmic. If all you know about science is what that statement means, then you know enough to be a skeptic.

JPeden

“GM says:
September 20, 2010 at 8:53 pm”
Not to worry, GM, the lust to save dominate the World, manage it correctly loot it and help enslave its peoples does not die easily, if ever.

Mooloo

GM says:
September 20, 2010 at 8:53 pm
because there is absolutely no correlation between political and religious convictions and acceptance of AGW

The first rule of correlations is that correlation is not causation.
Even if there is a correlation between political beliefs and views on AGW, it would be highly unscientific to assume there was causation without very good cause. Being on the opposite side of the political spectrum would not be very good cause. It would be the worst sort of reasoning – from political stance.
I believe that you would struggle to find any strong correlation in any case. Too many AGW-sceptics are university educated, left-leaning conformists in every other situation except AGW.

GM says:
September 20, 2010 at 8:53 pm
“”Because, of course, the “regular citizens” and bloggers, are more competent climatologists than the people who have spent their entire lives studying the subject.””
Reply; Some of us regular citizens have been studying ALL aspects of the weather and climate puzzle for longer than the “competent climatologists” have spent studying how to game the CO2 scam for the profit of their handlers.
“”Because those “regular citizens” have not at all been influenced by organized campaigns to discredit climate science – they came to the conclusion that it was false entirely on their own, completely independently.””
Reply; Watching “the team” shift the recorded temperature data base to suit their own gaming plans, for the past 20 years while I have been trying to fit more pieces of the puzzle together than “the team” even knows about, most of what they just beginning to suspect that I already knew, they were suppressing as they wanted to play “in God mode” (using cheat codes) that allow them to control the game, unlimited funds, press releases, paid travel expenses to all of the important meetings, leveraged manipulation of journals and their editorial staff, selecting “team members” for their “peer reviews.”
It is hard to watch the gradual progression of “team” control over the progress of grant fund misdirection, from areas of study yielding the most truth on how the weather and climate works, into areas most profitable to their handlers. For years and not know the smell of what is rotten in Denmark.
Mixed cattle feces and urine is mild compared to the smells that came out of piles of hurricane Camile debris, containing tens of human bodies, and hundreds of rotting mixed livestock, and wild animals the second and third weeks in the high heat and humidity conditions I worked in assisting cleanup efforts.

FrankK

Things are not dead yet downunder. The CEO of one of the worlds largest mining companies BHP has said its time for a carbon tax in Oz. What are the motives behind this is anyones guess. The Greens who are in cahoots with the current Labour government agrees. The opposition which 50% of Ozzies voted for are opposed.
It remains to seen what the outcome of all of this will be.

My comment is in the bin,
could dig it out again?
Reply: Requests such as this are a waste of space and moderator time. The spam bin gets checked regularly. ~ ctm

Peter Miller

The scary thing is if George Monbiot was a happy guy today, it would mean the rest of us would be experiencing a repeat of the 1930s’ economic depression.
Blogs like WUWT and Climate Audit, and people like Monkton and Anthony, have helped expose the bad science and widespread fraud practiced by climate ‘scientists’ .
Slowly but surely, even the most tax grabbing of our political masters are realising this is a subject best left alone or rejected. Perhaps, a good analogy of today’s situation is that the original underdogs, the sceptic allies, are now in the equivalent of late 1943.

Porlicue Wombaster

@Dennis Nikols, P. Geol.: Please… ‘pedants’, not ‘pendants’!

John Diffenthal

“… I don’t know. These failures have exposed not only familiar political problems, but deep-rooted human weakness. All I know is that we must stop dreaming about an institutional response that will never materialise and start facing a political reality we’ve sought to avoid. The conversation starts here. …”
I’m with R. de Haan. Too many of these comments make it sound as if the battle is over. I don’t think that George has gone away and I don’t think that the end of the problem is in sight. This isn’t a case of What is right, it’s Who is right, and George and his friends are still convinced that it isn’t the guys on our side of the argument.

Roger Carr

Nuh. There is no victory yet — or, if there is, no one has told the N Y Times about it…

The Kochs and their allies are disastrously wrong about the science, which shows that man-made emissions are largely responsible for global warming, and wrong about the economics.
Editorial (NYTimes 20 September, 2010)
The Brothers Koch and AB 32

Andrew30

GM says: September 20, 2010 at 8:53 pm
“Because, of course, the “regular citizens” and bloggers, are more competent climatologists than the people who have spent their entire lives studying the subject.“
Often;
‘Learned men are the cisterns of knowledge, not the fountainheads’: Anonymous
“Because science is decided by popular vote and expertise matters nothing.”
They tried to decide by a ‘consensus’ of less than 100 people on a planet of 6 billion of which millions are informed and understand the science. Nice try.
“Because those “regular citizens” have not at all been influenced by organized campaigns to discredit climate science – they came to the conclusion that it was false entirely on their own, completely independently.”
Completely independently as they read the leaked emails and then started to think for themselves.
“I definitely see the logic”
As do I. You can not fool all of the people all of the time. You got away with fooling most of the people for over 10 years, that must be some kind of record; but alas, you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
That the leaked email and blogs did was to give the people the courage to speak out in the face of what had been an imposed doctrine of thought. Once they realized that they were not actually the only ones that though ‘different’ they began to combine their understanding, knowledge and research. The internet was the enabler; climate-gate was the common ground, the frame of reference, and yes the Google search term that the people had been lacking.
Equipped with the search term ‘climategate’, it did not take long for the people to find each other in the darkness.
Some of them found their way here.
I did.

KenB

So some ARE seeing the inevitability of failure of the whole CAGW farago.
Sorry I think the fight has just begun in earnest. Until such time as those that got their five minutes of ill gotten fame by promoting an untrue picture of the science to scare the masses, are properly investigated and, exposed along with their shoddy science, this is never over.
They will sit in the background making excuses, denying their culpability, dreaming up new ways to re-invent their glory days as the elite of Climate Science.
We need and the world deserves, a searching investigation of how the scientific process was circumvented, the publication and peer review process corrupted. Yes that will shame and blame and shake science, but it needs to be shaken and blame accepted by the culpable. Then and only then can science be re-built with rigorous checks and balances to ensure nothing like this happens again.
Too much, economically and politically, hangs on the veracity and purity of science to let the issue slide. The high stake in this issue was the agenda of central control and the creation of new economic prosperity and wealth for the few at the expense of many. Serving the interests of those behind the scene promoters and the “insiders” prospect of controlling the billions of dollars in funding, exploring Geo engineered solutions to control non existent or natural processes and problems.
God help humanity if such poor quality science was used to politically project us into accepting these “last resort” solutions (that must be undertaken with haste, as we are already on the path to doom and the clock is ticking) ?? Just as this propaganda has been promoted – by “scientists” ?/ and their fellow travelers.

Jordan

GM: “Because, of course, the “regular citizens” and bloggers, are more competent climatologists than the people who have spent their entire lives studying the subject.”
I know – the indignity of those qualified specialists, sitting in universities, and losing the initiative to the Great Unwashed. But that’s what happened. Even the recent cases of sea ice blunders being raised in public are small examples of it. It just shouldn’t have happened, but it did, so get used to it.
Perhaps the specialists will learn the value of good honest scientific method – if they are prepared to give it a shot. But it would be a return to boring obscurity, less funding and far fewer papers in those prestigious journals.

Cassandra King

GM said:
“Because, of course, the “regular citizens” and bloggers, are more competent climatologists than the people who have spent their entire lives studying the subject. Because science is decided by popular vote and expertise matters nothing.”
No GM you are dead wrong, the AGW fraud has and will affect us all and it will directly affect those least able to afford it, the poor will suffer because of the greed,fanaticism,dishonesty and arrogance of the self appointed new parasite class. Ordinary people have a moral duty to audit and check the rampant fraud and malpractice of the so called climate science cabal because if we do not then who will?
Ordinary people have exposed hundreds of examples of ignorance,stupidity, laziness and downright fraud within the insular and lavishly funded climate science community while this new ‘science’ sector has overlooked and even conspired to cover up fraud and bad practice and error.
The so called climate ‘science’ had its chance to be open and honest and fair but they chose the political way instead and now the climate ‘science’ industry is paying the price, a price they would not be paying if it were not for the actions of ordinary people.
All we want is the truth, all we have ever wanted is the truth. The AGW socio political movement demands such massive and lasting changes to our way of life and the damage will be so great if the theory is wrong that to gamble on the so called precautionary principle is too risky.
You may sneer at the ordinary citizen daring to get involved but it has been the so called ordinary people that have been behind many of the scientific and industrial advances of the last three hundred years.
I am proud to be an ordinary person, it is this group more than any other that has built the world we live in and given us the comforts we enjoy, yes we must trust those gifted scientists at the top but as my all time hero Ronald Reagan once said “trust but verify”. Trust has to be earned and the climate science community has destroyed that gift by its arrogant and selfish actions and now the onus is on those climate ‘scientists’ to earn that trust all over again.
The moral of the story is of course, never ever place unlimited faith and trust in a few people who promise to look after you interests, always ask questions, always verify and always doubt the consensus.

rbateman says:
September 20, 2010 at 10:21 pm (Edit)
Judging from the last 120 years of 4 climate panics, the Big Chill Out will eventually put many of the activists on the Next Ice Age scare. The timing of the ship jumping will depend entirely on how hard & fast the icing-down of the climate manifests itself.

Ah, that would be ‘Global Climate Disruption’, allowing a seamless shift to funding pastures icefields new.
Get ready for re-reuns of ‘The Day After Tomorrow’ on TV.
All our fault of course.

Richard Briscoe

People who want to grasp the true seriousness of our predicament should read this report of drowned polar bear washed up in Cornwall.

Paul Deacon, Christchurch, New Zealand

Geroge Monbiot’s newspaper, The Guardian, which has been loss-making for years (by design), is coming under increasing financial strain. The new government is withdrawing job advertisements from it (which was the previous means for the Labour government of funding the pro-Labour newspaper). A recent FOI request found that 86% of the recruitment advertising spend of the BBC (left leaning government-owned state broadcaster) was channelled to The Guardian (a newspaper with relatively low circulation). The BBC is coming under increasing scrutiny, no doubt this revenue too will be lost too.
So perhaps George is really crying at the realisation that he might lose his job.