URGENT – A call to action for the WUWT community

NOTE: Updates have been posted below, including the tally.

I need your help, because they need your help. Please read this whole story and consider if you can help. WUWT readers may recall this story: Death of a Feedlot Operator …in which the anal-retentive government of West Australia has “licensed” a family farm out of operation due to some shonky science and arbitrary application of the “sniff test”. Yes that’s right, cattle farms smell, so do pig farms, as does any farm. But now it’s reason to shut one out due to baseless complaints from the local greens. And, it all started when Matt Thompson started doubting global warming and talking about it publicly.

I’ve never made a plea to the WUWT worldwide readership for help, I’m making one now to donate to these people to stave off eviction. If nothing else, do it to spite the government of Western Australia and the greens (Environmental Defender’s Office WA)  that have turned farming into a “crime”. The real crime is that government listens to these hotheads. From Jo Nova’s website:

4 days notice! The Thompsons are served notice of eviction.

Will, Abbey, Janet, Luke, Matt and Kate on their farm. April 2010

From Agmates (and many emails), news comes that The National Bank served notice today that the Thompsons have to be off their property in four days.

This is a family with four young children, who ran a profitable business; they filled in every form and ticked every box. They have broken no laws, and there are no outstanding environmental notices, but yet, they came to Western Australia with their life savings and they are losing everything. (Note: Matt and Janet are from the USA, Hugo, Oklahoma – Anthony)

Don’t bring your investment dollars to Western Australia — not while the Department of the Environment effectively controls the state.

The Thompsons waited a full year to get Works Approval for a 15,000 head feedlot. After they had already committed the capital, the rules kept shifting. They discovered they’d need ongoing licenses as well. After several years of ramping up the capacity on these licenses, things changed.  Matt spoke out as a skeptic. About that time, the renewals were delayed, then the numbers were cut in half, and new conditions were added that were impossible to meet. To feed and supply water for thousands of cattle the Thompsons had to sign agreements in advance to pay for hundreds of thousands of dollars of goods they could not use, but had no way of knowing that at the time. When they appealed, it took 18 months to get “vindicated” but by then there was only six months left on the “two year”  license. Not enough to set up all the contracts and run a business. The new sub-clauses meant that even licenses for a qualified “10,000″ head had vague untestable conditions: the license you have when you don’t have a license.

I am ashamed of what our government has done.

If the media won’t cover this, shame on them too.

I’ve written before in more detail:

Tyranny: How to destroy a business with environmental red tape

Smell that evidence

There is much discussion on Agmates, and a call for donations (see below):

URGENT HELP – Thompson family in trouble

NAB had not long ago told Matt & Janet that they were not going to move on them before December 31st. But it appears that they have changed their mind.

Those familar with previous discussions on Agmates will know that the Thompson family have no funds available to them to face being thrown out on their ear by the bank. Donations are needed ASAP to help provide a roof over the children’s head. Please consider donating what you are able into the following bank account that has been set up so as any donations can’t be seized with all other assets of Matt & Janet including the few dollars left in their own bank account.

Account Name:  L&S Ballard
Description:  Kate/Aby/Will/Luke
BSB:  016 770
Account Number:  439863697
ANZ:  Bintamilling Arcade, Egerton Street, Narrogin, Western Australia
SWIFT Code:  ANZBAU3M

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For International money transfers, or payment by credit cards, Jo Nova has set up a special PayPal donation button (in US dollars). This will go to her bank account, with an ID that means it will be recorded as a donation for Matt and Janet. She will transfer it to their account. I have complete trust here. Please give anything you can, no amount is too small.

I’m confident WUWT readers can turn this around.

LINK TO PAYPAL DONATION HERE

You can also use your credit/debit card if you don’t have a PayPal account.

(note this takes you to an intermediate page, which I have to do since wordpress.com won’t allow me to insert the full code).

Also for those who have other websites, or who frequent other forums, bulletin boards, and blogs, I ask your help in getting the word out.

As Michael D. Smith writes in comments below:

Let’s show the Aussie Government what “We The People” can do…

Thanks for your consideration – Anthony

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UPDATE1:

Dale Stiller writes in comments: Thank you all who have sent donations for the Thompson family. You can also help by emailing your disgust to Main Stream Media in Western Australia. Below are a few email addresses.

W A Newspaper contacts:

The West

http:au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/contact/

(does not give a Perth email, only phone no (08) 94823111 )

Email for Sydney Rep Office (The West) cdsilva@wansydney.com.au

Western Australian statewide rural newspaper

farmweekly@ruralpress.com

W A Radio – Perth National:

ABC News Radio – http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/about/contact.htm

ABC News Rural – wwwabc.net.au/rural/contact/

ABC Midwest & wheatbelt http://www.abc.net.au/contact/contactabc.htm

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UPDATE2:

Janet Thompson responds to the issues raised by some saying she said in a public meeting: “there will be no odour”. Given Matt’s and Janet’s extensive involvement in animal agriculture, including feedlots and saleyards, in the States prior to coming to Western Australia, I find it hard to believe that she’d say this. Here is an excerpt of her response:

The myth has been propagated that I stated at our original open public meeting in March 2002 that I made the statement that there would be no odour.  In considering any proposition in which animals are to be located in one area, it is ludicrous for anyone to state that there would be no odour.  (And, I submit, for anyone to blindly believe such a statement.)  I know places that have one horse, and there is odour to manage.  Whatever statement that was made that night has been taken out of context, and now many people who were not even in attendance that night are repeating this myth.  We spoke about manure smelling when it was wet, and for that reason, found it desirable to be located on the south side of town, when prevailing winds are away from town.  We were always open about this, and are gravely disappointed in friends who have not come to us to discuss things, but instead worked actively behind our backs to wreak havoc in our lives, and to attempt to destroy our livelihood, the livelihoods of our employees and contractors, and our life savings.

Here’s the document as PDF. FYI, You’ll see today’s date on it since I made the PDF today from a Word DOC sent to me.

Thompson Response to community members LCCC

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UPDATE3: HOW TO WRITE A LETTER Reader Mark from Australia writes and provides sample letter ideas for contacting MP’s in Australia and members of the media:

People should reword as they desire and add questions if they have any specialist knowledge or expertise, especially in the feedlot business. They MUST keep it civil. People should send FOUR SEPARATE letters or emails. One to each Minister. That is important. Each MUST be answered so they must put their return addresses on them. I will be sending mine as letters, today.

Be sure to edit this to cover the points you want to include and your own words. Note that simpler hand written letters are likely to carry more weight. It is important to distinguish between EDO Environmental Defenders Office (which is the Non Governmental Organization) and DEC Department of Environment and Conservation (which is the state department of environment and conservation, which is responsible for licensing and the decisions that have been made). In that vein, most of the questions should be about DEC, not EDO (although the funding ones are great to ask).

Premier The Honourable Colin Barnett MEc MLA

Minister for State Development

24th Floor, Governor Stirling Tower,

197 St Georges Terrace,

PERTH Western Australia 6000

Tel: (08) 9222 9888 Fax: (08) 9322 1213

e-Mail: wa-government@dpc.wa.gov.au

The Honourable Brendon Grylls MLA

Minister for Regional Development & Lands; Minister Assisting the Minister for State Development

9th Floor, Dumas House,

2 Havelock Street,

WEST PERTH Western Australia 6005

Tel: (08) 9213 7000 Fax: (08) 9213 7001

e-Mail: Minister.Grylls@dpc.wa.gov.au

The Honourable Terry Redman MLA

Minister for Agriculture and Food

Address: 11th Floor, Dumas House, 2 Havelock Street, WEST PERTH WA 6005

Telephone: (08) 9213 6700 Fax: (08) 9213 6701

e-Mail: Minister.Redman@dpc.wa.gov.au

The Honourable Donna Faragher MEd(Hons) BA(Hons) GradDipEd JP MLC

Minister for Environment

10th Floor, Dumas House,

2 Havelock Street,

WEST PERTH WA 6005

Tel: (08) 9213 7250 Fax: (08) 9213 7255

e-Mail: Minister.Faragher@dpc.wa.gov.au

MINISTERIAL REQUEST – NARROGIN BEEF PRODUCERS

Background Information

Matt and Janet Thompson moved from the USA to establish a feedlot business about 4 km outside Narrogin, WA. The business started operation in 2003 and employed about 20 locals at peak. This represents a success for WA and a success for Australia in attracting foreign investment.

Following his publicly expressing doubt as to the effect of the cattle industry on ‘global warming’ in June 2008, the West Australian Environmental Defenders Office (EDO) took an interest in complaints by Narrogin greens against the Thompson’s business.

In 2008, the Thompson’s applied to the West Australian Department of Environment and Conservation for an increase in their licence capacity from 10,000 to 15,000 head. Instead, the DEC cut their licence conditions back to 6,000 head, effectively closing the business by removing its economies of scale. The feedlot remains closed. This closure also played a role in the suicide of one of the employees, Mr Lindley Boseley.

The reasoning given by EDO on use of regulation to destroy this business is not available but seems subjective, indeed, specious (Reference page 2 of EDO newsletter at http://www.edowa.org.au/newsletters/200803Newsletter.pdf).

The EDO newsletter is itself disturbing. It displays the hallmarks of both a ‘captured bureaucracy’ and an issue-motivated NGO. It is positively triumphs the ‘Green cause’.

Questions

1.The Environmental Defenders Office is jointly funded by the West Australian State Government and the Federal Government. Why is WA funding this organisation when it seems to be little more than an arm of ‘The Greens’?

2.On what scientific grounds was the Thompson’s licence capacity reduced from 10,000 head to 6,000 head?

3.Was the viability of the Thompson’s business considered by the EDO in making this determination?

4.What are the scientific or other relevant qualifications of those who made this decision within the EDO?

5.Was this decision subject to review by anyone with skills in determining its impact on the viability of the Thompson’s business?

a.If so, who, and what are their business qualifications and experience?

b.If the EDO decision was not subject to review to determine the impact of the decision on the Thompson’s business by a person with appropriate business qualifications and skills, why not?

c.If the EDO decision included no business impact review from a person qualified to determine its impact on their business, were ‘the rules constantly changed’ in respect of the Thompsons applications?

i.If so, why and on what grounds?

ii.If so what were the qualifications of the person(s) making these ‘rule changes’?

d.Was ‘natural justice’ denied to the Thompsons in their application?

e.What appeals processes were available to the Thompsons?

f.Were they made aware of these in time to make effective use of them?

6.Why are the Thompsons being evicted from their property on 21 September 2010 instead of in December?

7.Are the WA Ministers for State Development, Agriculture, and State Development and Lands aware of the ability of the EDO to close any WA agricultural business on apparently subjective and/or ideological grounds?

8.Are the appropriate WA Ministers (State Development, Agriculture, and State Development and Lands) aware that this case is now attracting very adverse international attention to WA, due to the Thompsons being international investors in WA?

9.Are the appropriate WA Ministers (State Development, Agriculture, and State Development and Lands) aware that this case is causing damage to WA’s ‘brand’ as a safe place for international investment in agriculture?

10.Is there a link between Mr Thompson’s ‘offence’ against a Green ideological belief in ‘global warming’ and the EDO’s patently apparent belief in that same ideology?

11.Was Mr Thomson’s business targeted by the EDO on the basis of this ideology?

12.Did the ‘Green ideology’ so apparent in the EDO’s publications play any role in their determination?

a.If so, why is ‘Green ideology’ permitted to destroy a business and 20 jobs?

b.If not, what was the scientific basis for their decision to deny their application for an increase in license numbers from 10,000 head to 15,000 head?

13.Will the WA Government review the funding and operations of the EDO to prevent further damage to WA’s ‘brand’ as an investment destination?

Yours Sincerely

NAME

ADDRESS

DATE

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UPDATE4:

Jo Nova reports that WUWT readers have given generously! Over $27,000 was raised in two days from 670 donations. My humble and sincerest thanks to you all for coming to their aid when asked. Jo Nova reports that the fund will go into the Thompson children’s names.

Of course the alarmist community has been silent, there’s not been one word of support that I’m aware of.

See the latest from Jo Nova of how the DEC defines ditches at farms, and you’ll understand the sort of green tyranny the Thompsons face.

People should reword as they desire and add questions if they have any specialist knowledge or expertise, especially in the feedlot business. They MUST keep it civil.

People should send FOUR SEPARATE letters or emails. One to each Minister. That is important.

Each MUST be answered so they must put their return addresses on them. I will be sending mine as letters, today.

Hope this helps.

If you must refer to me, then please just keep it as ‘Reader Mark from Australia’

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Actively Concerned and about to do soemthing cashy about it!
September 18, 2010 8:39 am

Please could you provide a link to Jo Nova’s special PayPal donation button.

chris y
September 18, 2010 8:46 am

Anthony, thanks for posting this. Donation sent.

Milwaukee Bob
September 18, 2010 8:47 am

Could you have made it any more difficult to donate? Where’s the link?
When you go to Jo Novas blog, if it’s there, it’s not very obvious. And if you go to Agmates you have to log in…. WUWT? Come on. Put up a direct link and I’m in….
But make me hunt all over the place and/or have to create another login wherin I don’t know if it’s there….

Engchamp
September 18, 2010 8:59 am

Have just tried transferring some cash for Matt and Janet, but the 9 digit a/c number is not recognised by my bank, who ask for either an 8 or 10 digit no.
Is 439863697 correct?

September 18, 2010 9:00 am

I have donated, posted on my site and I’ll be Twittering the hell out of it all weekend.

MathMom
September 18, 2010 9:00 am

Am I just terribly dense, or is there no button to click through to help by PayPal? Please advise.

dkkraft
September 18, 2010 9:12 am
Michael D Smith
September 18, 2010 9:13 am

Anthony, it might help to post a link directly to the payment site… I’m sure I’ll find it but a direct link might be, well, more direct… Thanks, Mike S.

Michael D Smith
September 18, 2010 9:13 am

Oops, sorry I didn’t see others had already suggested this…

Douglas Dc
September 18, 2010 9:15 am

I’ll get this out to my Oregon Cattlemen’s association friends and relatives.

Michael D Smith
September 18, 2010 9:18 am

This will get you to the donate button. Let’s show the Aussie Government what “We The People” can do…
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/09/4-days-notice-the-thompsons-are-served-notice-of-eviction/
REPLY: Thanks fixed now on WUWT, see my note above – Anthony

September 18, 2010 9:21 am

Done. Thanks for posting, Anthony.

September 18, 2010 9:21 am

It’s scary. If you want to see the kids with their mother on happy days, see
http://www.rotary5830.org/Alumni/WhereAreThey/thompson.htm
The bureaucrats who are responsible for this should eventually face tough punishments for this atrocious [snip] behavior but before that, I hope that they will gather the resources they need to decently survive.

Tom Rowan
September 18, 2010 9:22 am

The Austrailian government sees fit to spend 3 million to fly Oprah Winfrey’s audience to Austrailia and writes it off as “advertising.”
The same Austrailian government sees fit to put farming out of business.
Hey Oprah! Have your audience pack globalony sandwiches! Food is being outlawed in Austrailia!

Milwaukee Bob
September 18, 2010 9:24 am

Hey s–t happens. Donation done. And I have to say this – I feel a new sense of unity, so thanks for that also Doc. Your The Man!

Joanie
September 18, 2010 9:28 am

Sent a little donation, thank you for making us aware. Poor people. Stupid government.

Engchamp
September 18, 2010 9:42 am

Thanks Anthony – done it via Pay Pal.
Good luck Matt and Janet.

September 18, 2010 9:45 am

My compliments to Anthony. Running a blog is tedious and HARD.
FIXING the link within the hour or two that he did is MARVELOUS!
I’ll see about maybe $10 myself. Despite being unemployed for a year. USA Federal money. It’s OK, they put me out of work anyway!
REPLY: Compared to fighting the idiocy of government, running a blog is a breeze. Thanks – Anthony

David, UK
September 18, 2010 9:48 am

Thanks Anthony – I had already read the story earlier over at Jo’s site but was then called away before making a donation, and forgot. Thanks to your post here I have now made a small donation.
To the Thompsons, if you are reading this: you follow in the steps of many other victims of an oppressive state, and sadly more will follow you. Who knows which of us will be next. One day the good freedom lovers of the world will unite and crush these leftist b*****ds. I know which side I’ll be on. Best to you.

John F. Pittman
September 18, 2010 9:49 am

Hit the jar. Good Luck Matt and Janet.

John Bennett
September 18, 2010 9:50 am

Sent a donation. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

martywd
September 18, 2010 9:51 am

Online donation sent!
.

johnnythelowery
September 18, 2010 9:52 am

After all the non-sense i’ve posted over here that the moderators have had to review. It’s the least I can do. Done. “….Because the Aussie Govt. doesn’t give a Four Ex about the owners of smelly farms!”

Ed Waage
September 18, 2010 9:54 am

The PayPal site worked fine. Donation sent.

johnnythelowery
September 18, 2010 9:56 am

Anthony: …..and I think Speak for the regulars over here….if you ever need a bit of cash…..just let us know. JOhnnny

Tom in Texas
September 18, 2010 9:57 am

Looked for the Paypal donate button here but couldn’t find it.
Went to Nova’s site, finally found it there, and donated.
Got back here and there’s the button in plain sight.
Anyway, thanks Anthony. I hope we can make a difference.
Seems to me, a multimillion $ lawsuit would be in order.
Find a hungry US lawyer and sue for loss of income, pain, suffering, etc, etc.

September 18, 2010 9:59 am

I’m shocked. This is just small-minded and vicious behaviour by napoleanic bureaucrats. I think all the blogs need to post something about this. Hopefully some media will pick up on it and show the rest of society what this movement is really all about.

dr.bill
September 18, 2010 9:59 am

This has a remarkable “canary in a coal mine” feel to it, but who knows how many times it has already happened, in Australia and around the world, without public attention. This lunatic eco-juggernaut needs to be brought under control – soon. The only way this will happen is to force governments to change what they do, and the only way to accomplish that is to change the lists of those who govern. Use your vote – wherever you live.
/dr.bill

Milwaukee Bob
September 18, 2010 10:01 am

Tom Rowan said at 9:22 am
The Austrailian government sees fit to spend 3 million to fly Oprah Winfrey’s audience to Austrailia and writes it off as “advertising.”
You can’t be serious! Are you saying BILLIONAIRE Winfrey DIDN’T pay for that?? You have proof of that? She gets all the kudos while the Aussie Gov. forks over taxpayer money to ???? What? Pamper a few hundred Americans? Or kiss her butt? Three million! Wow! I didn’t you folks were doing so well down under…..
That’s just not right! And don’t anyone even speculate that if per chance I was in the audience that day if I found this out before leaving that I would still go. And Australia is on my buck list! [snip]

T Gough
September 18, 2010 10:02 am

I feel ashamed to say that I have Australian links, although the problem of the bully boys goes much wider. This won’t win the war but we might win the battle. Donation sent.

Richard deSousa
September 18, 2010 10:03 am

I sent a small donation. I hope it helps to drive the nutty environmentalist [snip] crazy!

September 18, 2010 10:06 am

Donation sent. Once again, well done Anthony and team. Aye, Bob

Anthony Jackson
September 18, 2010 10:07 am

Just made a donation – it couldn’t be easier.

September 18, 2010 10:07 am

Thanks for posting this. I’ve been somewhat following their plight on JoNova. When I first read it there, there was no paypal option. Donation sent.

stephen p
September 18, 2010 10:08 am

Donation done via Paypal. Hope the campaign is successful. Keep us posted at the top of the WUWT file for a few days.

Nick
September 18, 2010 10:20 am

I have filled out the donate page three times.
My credit card information is not accepted!

September 18, 2010 10:26 am

Will link from Examiner site directly.

steve
September 18, 2010 10:28 am

How much do they need?

Jim Barker
September 18, 2010 10:33 am

Donation sent. Thanks Anthony.
Good luck to Matt, Janet and the children:).

Viv Evans
September 18, 2010 10:39 am

Words fail me – can’t even think – I’m that angry!
Donation on its way.
Thanks for the link.

stephen richards
September 18, 2010 10:40 am

ça y est. Sorry it’s only $20 but hope it helps.

Richard Sharpe
September 18, 2010 10:43 am

Hmmm, however, it sounds, at first glance, like the bank in this case is the villain rather than the unnamed individuals in the state government department who seem to be retaliating against Matt Thompson for expressing skepticism about AGW.
Until those individuals are named, and everyone in their neighborhood can see who it really was that destroyed the livelihood of real people, unnamed bureaucrats will continue to do these things on a whim.

dave ward
September 18, 2010 10:45 am

I filled out the card details, and my address, which is presumably to cross check. My email I can just about understand for confirmation purposes, but when it demanded my phone number I’m afraid I cancelled. There is NO WAY they need, or are going to get, that information from me.
I’m going to the bank on Monday to try and arrange a direct transfer….

Gordon Ford
September 18, 2010 10:46 am

Donated
Lived in rural WA in the 1960s (Northhampton) chasing lead zinc mines, including some that had been mined by convicts in the 1800s. Visited often in the early 1970s, again chasing mines mainly around Kal and the Northwest (Lyndon Station)
Lovely people – Salt of the earth.
How things must have changed

September 18, 2010 10:51 am

We’re in.
Good luck !!

Steamboat McGoo
September 18, 2010 10:51 am

OK, Anthony – they just got all my “blogger gift fund” money for the month.
Let’s hope it does some good.

George Bell
September 18, 2010 10:53 am

Just donated. This is a disgrace – well done to Jo for letting everyone know

trbixler
September 18, 2010 10:54 am

Donation sent. Thank you for the opportunity.

George Bell
September 18, 2010 10:54 am

Go to paypal for easy donation

John Cooper
September 18, 2010 10:54 am

Donation sent.

roger
September 18, 2010 10:56 am

Good luck to them! Donated.

Lloyd Graves
September 18, 2010 10:57 am

Done. Until we all start putting our money and effort into fighting for what we believe we will be treated just as quiescent sheep. Defeat Eco tyranny!

Al Marinaro
September 18, 2010 11:02 am

The American Media might cover this, how about a communication campaign to Fox News? This is what happens when governments across the world become out of control.

DJ Meredith
September 18, 2010 11:17 am

Donation on it’s way.
Gawd, that was fun.

Virveli
September 18, 2010 11:21 am

Perhaps someone would like to see what the actual neighbours wrote about the facility in their own words?
http://narroginlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/neighbour-presentations.pdf

u.k.(us)
September 18, 2010 11:29 am

Donation made.
Hope you will give us occasional updates on amount received?

PJP
September 18, 2010 11:30 am

Donated.
Please post links to this on any forums/boards you are members of (as appropriate).
The more people that see this the better.

KlausB
September 18, 2010 11:30 am

Donation sent.

kwik
September 18, 2010 11:31 am

Okay. Donated using the Donate button on top here. I love PayPal !!!!!
Hope I hereby have irritated some socialist government type in Australia.

Bad Andrew
September 18, 2010 11:33 am

Donation made and prayers for the Thompson family are on the way.
Andrew

Darell C. Phillips
September 18, 2010 11:33 am

This is the first donation I’ve done in years as I make far below even a pittance and lost my home and went bankrupt to boot in the last several years. I hope they can pay off the bank and be done with them.

Colin J Ely
September 18, 2010 11:37 am

Anthony
Where is Sarah Palin and her 30/30 when you need her? 😉

Rick K
September 18, 2010 11:38 am

Anthony, I donated what I could. Thanks for letting us know about this.
Please keep us informed regarding this situation.
If there is more we can do either financially or by contacting certain authorities please let us know.
Rick

Robert of Ottawa
September 18, 2010 11:45 am

Shocking.
To paraphrase Ronald Reagan “I’m from the government; I can crush you”
Just wait ’til the US EPA gets going.

Editor
September 18, 2010 11:50 am

Are they protected against fraud/deception adequately?
Donation made; but with their number above for donations, doesn’t that threaten them with theft and unauthorized withdrawals as well?

pete
September 18, 2010 11:50 am

payment sent, I hope my small donation helps take away some of the stress for them.

Robert of Ottawa
September 18, 2010 11:52 am

Donated $20. Why do they need a license in the first place? Why are country folk complaining about farm smells? Do we know who the complainants were or where from?
Eco-facism at work.

DJ Meredith
September 18, 2010 11:54 am

For machininst type people, this WUWT link is posted here:
http://cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=825795#post825795
…just spreadin’ the word… 🙂

September 18, 2010 11:56 am

Donation easy with the Paypal button.
Well done, Anthony. You are much talk and more action. What a blogger!

Slabadang
September 18, 2010 11:57 am

Ahhh so this is the impact on humans caused by “global warmists”!
Now we see what they meant when they said that there would be “climate refugees”
and a great “negative impact” on human beeings.Well they were perfectly right!
Maby this family can get political asylum as refugees from political herassment and persecution. The UN maybe..no sorry they are involved in the percecution maby Venezuela will accpet them or Brazil?
Pay Pal here I come!!! Fight the [snip] movement!

Esther Cook
September 18, 2010 12:04 pm

It is NOT true that real farms smell. Read some of Joel Salatin’s books about his Polyface farm, which has hundreds of animals and smells good.
Gigantic BigAg farms smell, and their product is not as healthy as wildcrafted animal food.
Nonetheless, this is an example of Government trashing the Rule of Law. It is happening in the United States, too–and if we do not recover the USA, this story is proof that we will not have sanity anywhere else, either. If we want civilization, we have to fight for it.

Messenger
September 18, 2010 12:08 pm

All good luck in the future to Matt and Janet. Small donation sent with my best wishes.
I visited friends in Oz this spring and I am appalled that this could happen in your lovely country.

RebelTx
September 18, 2010 12:18 pm

Anthony, just sent e-mails to Hotair.con@Foxnews.Also sent my donation. May God bless those folks.

phlogiston
September 18, 2010 12:18 pm

What does SIEG HEIL sound like with an Australian accent?
Something like “seeeg hoiyal mate” I guess.
where’s my credit card …

Peter Hearnden
September 18, 2010 12:24 pm

Virveli says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:21 am
Perhaps someone would like to see what the actual neighbours wrote about the facility in their own words?
http://narroginlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/neighbour-presentations.pdf

Thanks for that, people here really ought to read some of the comments. Several of them are from retired people – they’re just more ‘leftists b*****ds’ though I guess…
Are several people who said Janet Thompson said ‘There will be no odour’ mistaken?

Paul H.
September 18, 2010 12:30 pm

Made a donation. Terrific thing to do Anthony.

Al Cooper
September 18, 2010 12:31 pm

Anthony
I am in Oklahoma City, USA. The PayPal site does not accept my state/zip, is there another way?

Erik
September 18, 2010 12:32 pm

If you dont use Paypal:
To pay with credit card is real easy through the link provided – I found it much easier to to pay with credit card directly that to top up my own Paypal account
..and remember to turn on coockies in you browser or you will get a:”Fatal Failure”

September 18, 2010 12:32 pm

PayPal is the best thing since baseball!
Actually, baseball makes me yawn so passionately I risk a jaw dislocation.
Originally it was a Russian game played by children, called “lapta” [lahp-TAH]. We played it when I was 8-10 years old, using sticks for bats and an old empty tin can instead of ball. I didn’t know then that this rather unintellectual pastime is a big business in America. Russians brought lapta to Alaska and California in 17th century, Spaniards picked it up, and much later it was commercialized, called “baseball” and made into a big deal.
There is something obscene in the fact that each one of these ugly guys with sticks makes in a year more than any hard-working person makes in his lifetime.

Little Blue Guy
September 18, 2010 12:36 pm

Donated.
Jo Nova posted that $1000 US was received in less than an hour after she set up her paypal button, and $6000+ as of her last update. We’re making a difference.

R. Eddington
September 18, 2010 12:38 pm

Just donated…. thanks Anthony for bringing this injustice to our attention.

Virveli
September 18, 2010 12:39 pm

(Robert of Ottawa)
“Do we know who the complainants were or where from?”
As per my link above they were ordinary people from around the facility & the local agricultural college. Please see the College Principal’s statement on the observed effects of the feeding lot.
link again:
http://narroginlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/neighbour-presentations.pdf

September 18, 2010 12:42 pm

Donation button worked quite well.
To Matt and Janet, I hope you receive enough funds to hire a good lawyer. All the best to you!

Steve from Rockwood
September 18, 2010 12:52 pm

Donation sent.
I’m not buying any more Aussie wine until this is resolved. Believe me, that will hurt their entire economy. You should see the empty wine bottles.

Tom in Texas
September 18, 2010 12:54 pm

Thought you all (y’all) might like an update from Nova’s site:
UPDATE 4:
My intray is long overrun with emails of notification of donations. Thanks to one and all! I had intended to write a short personal thank you to each of you, but I’d be writing all day tomorrow and next week… The tally is now up to $6000 plus USD.
Sorry I can’t stay up to keep up with the tally!

Derek
September 18, 2010 12:55 pm

The eco-loons haven’t a brain cell between them.
Donation made!

adrian
September 18, 2010 12:57 pm

Thanks
Virveli says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:21 am
Perhaps someone would like to see what the actual neighbours wrote about the facility in their own words?
http://narroginlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/neighbour-presentations.pdf
people need to read those letters

PaulH
September 18, 2010 1:02 pm

My modest donation was just sent via PayPal.
And remember, everyone: Australia is a liberal democracy. It’s not Saudi Arabia or Sudan or a similar hellhole. And yet tyranny like this can easy occur once people stop paying attention.

September 18, 2010 1:10 pm

The PayPal roundabout worked. Thanks Anthony, Joanne. My best wishes for Abbey, Janet, Luke, Matt and Kate.

Marlene Anderson
September 18, 2010 1:11 pm

Donation sent.
People enjoy their steaks and chops and also like to move out to the country where the farms are located. And then they’re offended to find life in the country has its own realities. Farms smell from animal waste. That’s a fact of life yet city folk are so divorced from their food source they think it’s possible to operate one odor-free. City sewage treatment systems deal with human waste to stink to high heaven – worse than a farm, yet we force these noxious odors on rural people and all the fauna within smelling distance. The enviro-nazies literally think their sh+t doesn’t stink nor do they recognize every time they flush that they add their own pollution to the earth. We have governments held in thrall to the illogical green ideology and unless ordinary people rise up and speak out it will get worse and worse.

Robin Pittwood
September 18, 2010 1:15 pm

Thanks Anthony for promoting this,
I’ve been and made a donation and forwrded your link on to 30 of my ‘climate’ friends.
Cheers and have a happy day!
Robin

mycroft
September 18, 2010 1:18 pm

Donation sent,only a small amount, unfortunately i am not on large pay,but i have a roof over my head.
Perhaps Oprah would like to donate something to a good cause,anyone got an e-mail
for her production company HARPO!!

Lars Silen
September 18, 2010 1:19 pm

Donated!

Keitho
Editor
September 18, 2010 1:20 pm

This is a terrible thing.
We had 4500 farmers thrown off their land here a few years ago , and their employees numbering over 300 000 plus their families were evicted with 24 hours notice and they lost everything. Crops, farm equipment, furniture , vehicles and homes burnt down. Domestic pets were cruelly beaten and burned to death. Pigs, cows, sheep were hacked with machetes and left to die from lack of food and water. Irrigation pipes and pumps were dug up and melted down for scrap, fences were taken down and used as snares to catch wild animals. Not one person has been compensated for any loss ten years down the road and agricultural output is still less than a third of what it was in 2000.
That was also political.
There is no tag for Zimbabweans to contribute, regrettably, this country is not seen as a viable source of money yet it would seem. All I can offer is my sympathy for their desperate situation and I am sure the help being given by others will see them clearing this hurdle in their road to successful farming.

Gary Robinson
September 18, 2010 1:28 pm

Donated.
Thanks for the opportunity to help.

1DandyTroll
September 18, 2010 1:28 pm

Well there’s not a few non distinct servers in Ukraine one could go through for starters, maybe double back and go through a few south american servers (they’re always open for business so to speak, hehehe) and then through the lonliest ISP in the Whole Wide World out there in the deep south pacific tha fabled Pitcairn Islands. Jump through a couple of pacific hoops then through New Zeeland up to Papua New Guinea and some unsuspecting ISP host in Port Moresby down to down under and straight in to their puny government servers with worse security than even Pentagon (how that could even be possible is beyond me, but hey which hacker complaining I ask?)
Then it’s all about psychology really, like changing an alarming 0.5 degree change to 5.0 degrees, or changing the address of the recipient of all 15000 animals to the main aussie government building, because they do tend to take care of all them poor animals right?

JT
September 18, 2010 1:29 pm

Done! and glad to do it. Now lets start a legal fund to right this wrong.

Frederick Davies
September 18, 2010 1:31 pm

My money is on its way.
Come on, people: let’s show them the power of WUWT!
Frederick

Editor
September 18, 2010 1:47 pm

Thanks for posting this. Will post a link on the website too.

September 18, 2010 1:48 pm

I’m in…

Vince Causey
September 18, 2010 1:52 pm

Donation made. I hope this story breaks into the msm.

Jose Suro
September 18, 2010 1:53 pm

Donation sent. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Please keep us posted.

John Wolf
September 18, 2010 1:57 pm

Thank you for the head’s up. Donation sent.

Ralph
September 18, 2010 1:57 pm

This is certainly a tragic story and shows once more what bureaucracy can do to well meaning people. And it’s honourable that Anythony is going out of his way to help his friends.
However, a couple of things don’t quite add up. There’s a report dated April 2008 saying that the DEC wanted the number of cattle be reduced because of odour and waste managment issues.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/09/2211844.htm?site=news
So this was two months before that beef indusrty meeting Matt Thompson attended. There are also several complaints from neigbours, and coming from a small town in the middle of nowthere myself, I know that country folks and people in the beef industry usually are not overly concerned about global warming. Hence, I don’t really see the connection to an AGW campaign.
Still, the authority’s behaviour seems like changing the goalposts, and I wish the Thompsons all the best.

Pleione
September 18, 2010 2:00 pm

Donated $10 by Paypal
Sadly, the AGW is becoming a monster out of control with the ability to devastate our society. It’s time to start actively fighting it in order to get it confined back to the science domain and out of our normal lives.
My best wishes to the Thompsons from Spain.

John from CA
September 18, 2010 2:01 pm

sorry Anthony,
Great family shot but I can’t honestly donate to a feedlot operation that has no commitment to properly manage waste.
If you can demonstrate that they are properly managing the feedlot to minimize the stink for their neighbors, I’ll be happy to donate.
Sincerely,
John from CA

Philip Thomas
September 18, 2010 2:05 pm

Donation sent. Please could you keep us updated about their future.

Dan in California
September 18, 2010 2:06 pm

Just donated and I have a suggestion. When this is tallied a few days from now, somebody local there needs to contact the local press with the rescue story (assuming there is one). With luck, that story could go global and do more good elsewhere.

hotrod ( Larry L )
September 18, 2010 2:08 pm

Donation sent!
A high profile situation like this is how you send a message to the eco-fascists that normal people are mad as hell and are not going to put up with this crap any more.
I used to have a signature on one of the forums I hang out that said:
Global warming the next inquisition!
At the time I used it, the comment was mostly in jest, if there is not a solid effort to push back against this sort of abuse of government by narrow minded zealots, it could become real.
I normally do not make donations of this type prefering to avoid “organized efforts” as they usually skim too much money off the top, how ever I trust both Anthony and Jo Nova will do the right thing and see the money gets where it is intended to go.
Abbey, Janet, Luke, Matt and Kate — we all wish you well, and hope this sorts out in the best way possible for you and yours.
Larry

hotrod ( Larry L )
September 18, 2010 2:10 pm

Additional note —
If the government is big enough and powerful enough to do everything “for you” they are big enough and powerful enough to do “anything to you”.
Larry

Simon
September 18, 2010 2:15 pm

Donated! Nice to be able to do something to help what in what is such a ludicrous predicament

September 18, 2010 2:19 pm

No hesitation.
This gets the message across more than any amount of protest, emailing, mailing or the other stuff.
Money talks. Let’s shout.
Off now to tell everyone I know.

Alberta Slim
September 18, 2010 2:30 pm

Would it be possible to do a land/farm swap with someone further out in the boonies?
A landholder further out may get interested if he can obtain land close to town.
Probably I am just dreaming.

September 18, 2010 2:30 pm

I did send a donation to Oz.
But also, Keith Battye, thanks for that reminder about Zimbabwe.
What I see in places like that is the Chinese coming in, in about 15 years’ time, to rebuild the infrastructure. For their benefit, sure, but because everyone will benefit, and there are no denialists in their way.
After all, the UN one-world-governmentalists, the evangelical warmist-activist greens, and the scientists at the top of the scientific establishment, are the real deniers – the blind leading the blind. They deny the self-evident right for each person to check the basic science for themselves. And they deny their projection of their own denialism onto those who are not in denial.

September 18, 2010 2:43 pm

John from CA says:
September 18, 2010 at 2:01 pm
sorry Anthony,
Great family shot but I can’t honestly donate to a feedlot operation that has no commitment to properly manage waste.
If you can demonstrate that they are properly managing the feedlot to minimize the stink for their neighbors, I’ll be happy to donate.

______________________________________
John, you are looking at this case from the prejudiced point of view. All over the Earth there are all kinds of conflicts among neighbors, including those related to the agricultural use of land. In more or less sane countries there are courts to decide on such cases, and to settle such conflicts.
However, when the environmentalist activism is involved to influence the judgment, we must do everything we can to separate this new religion from the government. Otherwise, in few years we wouldn’t be able to clean our noses without getting a permit from some government-subsidized, authority-abusing group of self-righteous wackos imposing their minority will on the majority of the population.
Postponing a solution of this problem by citing various qualifications and stipulations just won’t do. We need to stop this nonsense in its tracks here and now.

PaulS
September 18, 2010 2:43 pm

Anthony,
Thanks for bringing this to our attention, and letting a family know that City Hall doesn’t always have the last say!

Phil
September 18, 2010 2:47 pm

How can these greenies live with themselves? How Dare they. I’ll donate as much as I reasonably can.

Bernie in Pipewell
September 18, 2010 2:47 pm

Sent a little.
September 18, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Where do they come from ?

Tom R. H.
September 18, 2010 2:51 pm

Donated $20, hope that my small contribution helps.
Good luck from Norway!

Jimmy Haigh
September 18, 2010 2:52 pm

All the best to the Thomsons.
I’ve sent a bit – many a mickle maks a muckle!

LearDog
September 18, 2010 2:54 pm

Anthony – sent small donation to you, would appreciate if you could pass it on. I couldn’t figure out how to make the link work via my mobile device, sorry for the bother.
Dave.

arthur
September 18, 2010 2:57 pm

hope it works out, donation sent

Jeremy
September 18, 2010 3:14 pm

Donation sent. If we do not fight the Green Fascists then God only knows what kind of “Final Solution” will be imposed upon us all! There is no doubt that a kind of Western version of a Khmer Rouge movement is raising its ugly head and cutting its teeth….this family may be one of the first victims but eventually these Green Fascists will establish momentum and get us all – that is, if we do not ACT NOW!
I recall that Himmler also believed that it was all necessary and that the end justified the means. He joined the Artamanen society, a sort of idealistic back-to-the-land youth group. They were essentially romantic idealists…traits that are so very much in common with the extremist position adopted by a some Greens today. Just as in the past, the targets of the Greens conveniently happen to be those in control of the commanding heights of the economy: industry, manufacturing, energy and resources as well as the land owners and farmers. They are not far short of the final step which will be to annex or appropriate this wealth and these assets for their cause (it will not end in Carbon Taxes….this is only the beginning). Will it or could it all go as far as Himmler did…perhaps not so unlikely as it seems, after all few, including Chamberlain imagined what horrors would ultimately be perpetrated some 70 years ago….

September 18, 2010 3:16 pm

Ok, Anthony, should have some time after I get to Joliet to answer the call.

Dave Johnson
September 18, 2010 3:19 pm

Thanks for posting this Anthony, donation sent

Cornfed
September 18, 2010 3:19 pm

Done.
Thanks for the heads up.
Good luck from the Florida Keys.

Dr. Dave
September 18, 2010 3:24 pm

Made a donation. Hope it helps. I wonder how much they need to keep the wolf from the door? American donors respond well to goals and targets.
I read some of the nonsense written by their neighbors. It is impossible to make an odorless feedlot. These folks should visit West Texas some time. Amarillo, Texas has a population of over 160,00 and is downwind of the Randall County Feedlot, the Wildorado Feedlot and (indirectly) the Hereford Feedlot. It doesn’t take long before you don’t even notice it. These “neighbors” would choke to death if they drove through Hereford, Texas!

paulsnz
September 18, 2010 3:30 pm

The food NAZI are hard at work here in New Zealand ..
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/4143070/Biddys-cheeses-caught-in-TV-trap..
Food safety BS… they allow all manner of Chinese toxins AND US GMO crops into NZ without the bat of an eye YET are going out of their way to make LIFE for home grown, AND safe operations a misery… Our own backyard gardens are next!.

Doug S
September 18, 2010 3:36 pm

donation sent. These government bas***ds must be defeated and driven out of civilized society. Good luck Thompson family, we’re pulling for you.

Noelene
September 18, 2010 3:41 pm

I donated 25.
I e-mailed the Liberal party of WA.Perhaps if they get a lot of mail they will at least look at the issue.
http://www.wa.liberal.org.au/index.php?option=com_qcontacts&view=contact&id=1&Itemid=185

Editor
September 18, 2010 3:52 pm

When I see the actions that well funded and staffed organizations like Greenpeace or WWF can do, I begin to wonder what else we can do besides spread the word and teach the science.
I bet a lot of us will see this both as a chance to help the Thompsons, send a wakeup call to a heavy-handed government, and demonstrate a disorganized gaggle like us can make a direct impact. Joanne has $6,000 as of four hours ago. She’s going to be astounded when she gets up this morning.
I haven’t spent much time at her site ever since Climategate broke, but I’ve exchanged notes with her in the past. She will handle this effort well, at least what she expected to come from it. I’m confident she’s the right person to handle what it may turn into.
I posted on her site:
The US Libertarian Party pioneered the use of “money bombs” – part fund raising and part demonstration of how many supporters there are. Some of them have brought in a remarkable amount of money for various political campaigns.
You may want to start thinking about how to use the extra money that may show up. As for mine (through WUWT), you have my permission to use it any way you think appropriate. My recommendation is public education about the excesses of your government, followed by starting something like the opposite of Greenpeace, paying some of your costs in this effort or the rest of your work, or lots and lots of chocolate. Oh wait – I can only speak for my money. A pound or so of good chocolate is all you get.

Ordinarily all she asks for is chocolate….

TimC
September 18, 2010 4:01 pm

Anthony – this rather sceptical old lawyer has a problem. If I send a payment from the UK you say it will go to Jo Nova’s account “recorded as a donation for Matt and Janet”. Unfortunately this means that it is exposed to creditor claims, perhaps from the mortgage lender or from the general farm creditors, where Jo says debts are accruing “by the minute”.
I would be very happy to make a (modest) donation purely for the children’s benefit (which would need separate trustees for the children) to try to help keep a roof over their heads. I am afraid I am not sure about a donation to Matt and Janet. This may only benefit creditors as above. I sense there may be another side to this story – see the “neighbour presentations” link from Virveli and Peter Hearnden above. I also think it was rather risky for apparent newcomers to the territory to sink all their savings into a capital-intensive farming business which needed biennial re-licensing in order to operate at all. Sorry, but that’s my “take” on all I have read to date.

csanborn
September 18, 2010 4:01 pm

Done. Good luck from Texas.

JFA in Montreal
September 18, 2010 4:05 pm

First, let me say that they have no authority to do that unless you give them the authority. But they are very sneaky in getting your consent as a Man. If you admit to be the “person” of the birth certificate, they beat you. If you do not claim equitable interest in your land, you loose.
I suggest you research the legal creature called a “claim of right”. Laws of all Commonwhealth countries are similar.
Art 39 to 41 of the Criminal Code of Canada state that WITH a claim of right, you can use whatever force necessary to protect your property, EVEN IF the persons coming to take it have the LEGAL RIGHT to take it, i.e. your Anglo-Saxon Common Law right of property supercede THEIR (needing of your consent) legislations, acts and statutes.
What you have to do is find the counterpart article in your local law code, and understand and issue a claim of right. And the provisions ARE into the Aussie law too.
(I will quote below the precise articles.)
The guy to contact is Robert Menard, in Canada, ASAP. He’s a wizz at law, more precisely, Anglo-Saxon Common Law and it’s opposition to civil law. The former recognises you have rights, the second grants you privileges. The second operates only on “persons”, e.g. legal fictions. No courts or lawyer will ever bring you out of the realm of civil “law” (not truly laws but more legislation, acts and statutes, e.g. contracts that have to be voluntarily adhered to).
You’ll find Robert Menard’s videos on Youtube. I don’t know how to get a hold of him in a hurry. Try ThinkFree.ca , try to send a message as if you ordered his package, try everything, and he’ll probably help you.
Then, there is Eldon Warman in Alberta, Canada, who’s also dissected and understood the law very well. He too can help you craft documents. http:www.DetaxCanada.org
In four days, you have enough time to get to watch Robert Menard’s video several times.
Watch The Magnificent Deception, and Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception, and then With Lawful Excuses, and a few others. It will give you a lot of ammunition to stop them.
Finally, research in a hurry the Principalty of Hutt River, one farmer that would have been screwed like you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River
They have ambassies, so you might be able to get a hold of them quite easily. Despite the fact that most articles about them say “yeah, yeah, we don’t recognise them”, you cannot miss the fact that gov’t had to spit out a huge chunk.
Criminal Code of Canada
Defence with claim of right
39. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of personal property under a claim of right, and every one acting under his authority, is protected from criminal responsibility for defending that possession, even against a person entitled by law to possession of it, if he uses no more force than is necessary.
Defence without claim of right
(2) Every one who is in peaceable possession of personal property, but does not claim it as of right or does not act under the authority of a person who claims it as of right, is not justified or protected from criminal responsibility for defending his possession against a person who is entitled by law to possession of it.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 39.
Defence of dwelling
40. Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using as much force as is necessary to prevent any person from forcibly breaking into or forcibly entering the dwelling-house without lawful authority.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 40.
Defence of house or real property
41. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using force to prevent any person from trespassing on the dwelling-house or real property, or to remove a trespasser therefrom, if he uses no more force than is necessary.
Assault by trespasser
(2) A trespasser who resists an attempt by a person who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, or a person lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority to prevent his entry or to remove him, shall be deemed to commit an assault without justification or provocation.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 41.
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Note here the distinction between legal possession and lawful possession. the first is related to the Roman law jurisdiction (civil law) where persons only have privileges, the second is Anglo-Saxon Common Law right which applies to all and every Man (woman included).
Rob Menard and Eldon Warman (and a few others) have been successful in repelling a lot of legal, but unlawful gov’t actions. They are publicly attacked pretty much from everywhere, but they held their end and in the end, the Law (Anglo-Saxon) prevailed.
They have a lot of detractors with a vested interest in the present legal deception.
Best of luck.

Editor
September 18, 2010 4:12 pm

I read the link posted by Virveli
http://narroginlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/neighbour-presentations.pdf
It appears that the case isn’t as one-sided as it has been portrayed, and that there was a major odour problem. The document appears to be genuine, as it contains identification of the WA College of Agriculture Narrogin who would surely complain loudly if misrepresented (their home page is http://www.narroginag.wa.edu.au/ [link not working ~ac]). Their letter certainly does complain about the odours, but it also says “On an individual basis, I have no problems with the Thompsons, their management, or the operations of the beef feedlot. I applaud their community interaction and engagement and I honestly want the Thompsons and Narrogin Beef Feedlot to remain in the Narrogin district.“.
Maybe the Thompsons had the right business in the wrong place. It certainly appears that the whole dispute has been extraordinarily badly managed, and maybe it was hijacked and corrupted by ideological interests (I’ve no time to research this but such comments have been made). Hopefully the money we have sent in will allow the Thompsons to rebuild their business in the right place, with the support of the college and others, and to the benefit of everyone in the district.
Whether the legal/bureaucratic system can be fixed, and the (possible) ideologues sorted out, is another matter …..

Dena
September 18, 2010 4:18 pm

Money is tight but I put some in the kitty to help out.

September 18, 2010 4:18 pm

Virveli says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:21 am
“Perhaps someone would like to see what the actual neighbours wrote about the facility in their own words?
http://narroginlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/neighbour-presentations.pdf
Virveli, you are pointing to what is commonly called anecdotal evidence. In other words, it is evidence that may stand up to scientific and objective scrutiny but far more often does not.
It is too bad that the Thompsons were suckered into locating their feedlot as close to town as they did, but at least they made an attempt in assessing the perceived problem in an objective manner. Did you look at both sides of the argument? If not, check some of the links in the main post, for instance
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/smell-that-evidence/
Even the most biased judge makes at the very least a pretense that he tries to determine where in between the two sides of an argument the truth lies.
The Thompsons played by the rules. They got a license, and someone kept changing the rules on them. That is not fair. If someone moves into farming country and is bothered by the smell of manure, maybe he should have moved into town somewhere instead.
Aside from all of that and the fact that the issue needs to be resolved in court, right now the Thompson family needs to be able to survive, so they can avoid being thrown out onto the garbage pile. One man already died on account of the situation. How many more lives will it take before some people switch from seeing the Thompsons as villains to seeing them as the victims of a vendetta by a bureauracy?
Please, consider,

Bear in mind, the Thompsons have broken no laws. Most of this case boils down to a small number of complaints about odour. I would not wish foul smells on anyone, but the evidence there is suggests the problem is minor, and the level of complaints has no relation to the number of stock on the Thompson’s farm in any case. There is the troubling possibility that if someone took a dislike to another party, or had another vested interest in property nearby, or in a competing business, theoretically they could solicit complaints and exaggerate. How would we know? It’s hard to photograph a smell. It’s an avenue ripe for exploitation. Lets keep things in perspective, Janet and Matt live at their farm, closer than anyone else to any odours and emissions, and their farm is next to a piggery (ferrgoodnesssake) which has been there for more than 20 years.
From 5 km away in the town could anyone tell if a waft of something not-nice was from a cow, or a pig, or the roadkill around the corner? http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/tyranny-how-to-destroy-a-business-with-environmental-red-tape/

Can all of those who complain about the smell of manure tell the difference between hog- and cattle manure? The smell of hog-manure is many times worse!
Anyway, the Thompsons need help right now, and I sent $50.–.
In addition, I posted Anthony’s introduction to the Thompson story to my two blogs and hope that will help bring in more contributions.

pouncer
September 18, 2010 4:28 pm

Done.

Dr A Burns
September 18, 2010 4:31 pm

Thompson says he is “in the hands of a government department that has grown unchecked for the last 30 years”. I feel his situation is representative of the overgrowth in government in Australia generally, such that we now have one government [snip] for every 2 real workers.

Charles Higley
September 18, 2010 4:47 pm

What fun! As soon as Management (my better half) returns home, its done – she does not know of this travesty as yet.

jaypan
September 18, 2010 4:48 pm

Done.
Good luck for the Thompsons.
Anthony, thanks for posting.
Stop green dictatorships, as well as others.

Atomic Hairdryer
September 18, 2010 4:48 pm

Donation sent and the Thompsons really need a lawyer with balls. My comment from Jo’s site, and my avatar is apt-
“This is an utter disgrace and just demonstrates what happens when the lunatics take over the asylum. Where do they think their food comes from? This really needs a lawyer to challenge the eviction notice, then the licence conditions to stop this happening to anyone else. First they come for the livestock farmers, then they’ll come for arable if pollen gets added to ‘unreasonable emissions’. I hope this works out well for the Thompsons and think a suitable form of punishment for the people that did this to them might be to fence them into a patch of land, stick up some webcams and watch them try to be self sufficient and sustainable.”

Konrad
September 18, 2010 4:49 pm

I have sent a donation. Hopefully some one in WA can organise the donation of several truckloads of feed lot waste to the doors of NAB and the responsible government office. The implication that this behaviour on the part of the Environmental Defender’s Office WA is a result of the Thompsons publicly expressing doubt over global warming is sadly believable. The fact that there are other large feed lot operations in the area proves the lie to the government actions (and on some matters intentional delay). There is a possibility that the civil servants complicit in this act of green vengeance have been too arrogant to have covered their tracks with regard to responding to the demands of the environmental groups. Emails and paperwork could exist. FOI may be warranted. Even if this proved unsuccessful, dealing with the investigation would be a wake up call to other cowardly bureaucrats. Also gathering evidence of the environmentalists involved admitting to their successful collusion with or influence of the Environmental Defender’s Office may be possible.

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September 18, 2010 4:50 pm

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JJB MKI
September 18, 2010 5:06 pm

Done, and good luck to them. I’m suspicious of the odour arguments if there is a nearby pig farm – pig manure is many times more pungent and unpleasant than cattle manure, and would easily overpower it. Also if they live in a farming community there must be many cattle farms within the 5K radius of the complainants- why were the Thompsons singled out? Smells like vendetta.

Baa Humbug
September 18, 2010 5:07 pm

Reading all of the above comments has brought a lump to my throat.
At the moment, though I’m ashamed to be an Aussie, I am so so proud to be a member of the WUWT and JoNova community.
Thankyou to each and every one of you. There is hope for humanity afterall.

Lance
September 18, 2010 5:08 pm

Done.

1DandyTroll
September 18, 2010 5:15 pm

Peeps are to kind. I think they’re too kind because they don’t fully get the hardship this hardworking family’s going through. Truly, who can? Anyone been in the same situation recently?
Alas but when your government is trying to [snip] for no good god damn reason, [snip] government back up [snip] for no good [snip] reason.
Use every law to your own advantage.

Robert of Texas
September 18, 2010 5:18 pm

Would like to see some indication of how much they need versus how much has been raised. Any chance you can post a graphic – you don’t need to show the actuall amounts just the relative progress.
Anyway, good luck to my fellow Okies… (born and raised there)

Treeman
September 18, 2010 5:23 pm

Anthony
Reading through the comments I see that a few have posted the complaints from neighbours. They would do well to have a look at Jo Nova’s Smell the evidence post here: http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/smell-that-evidence/ This story has gotten longer and stronger legs since Jo first wrote about the Thompsons and it is most heartening to see so many familiar names lending support.
Update, I see Walter Schneider September 18, 2010 at 4:18 pm has beaten me to the punch. On the money Walter.
Anyway thank you Anthony for getting behind this. As an Australian I’m amazed that we are a quantum leap behind when it comes to exposing fraudulent environmentalism. Government agencies need to become more responsible/responsive to all stakeholders and this issue has the potential to bring that about.

1DandyTroll
September 18, 2010 5:32 pm

I don’t get it, don’t the people of australia give a [snip] about their own peeps?
Not that I don’t mind the whole saving people thingy but give me a frakking break will ya I alone can only do so much. Apparently, of course, this is more then the whole pathetic Aussie hackers alone are able to achieve.
Pfft.

morgo
September 18, 2010 5:34 pm

I am a australian but it is sad to say we are being taken over by the greens just like newzealand has, their farmers are going to be destroyed next month as there govt are going to vote on charging farmers green house gases ie methane cows farting .in australia Bob Brown of the greens have done a deal with labour to form a govt who are pushing the ETS and you name it . most of the the gooses have been recruted from the union movment say no more . GOD SAVE AUSTRALIA

Wondering Aloud
September 18, 2010 5:48 pm

I had no trouble donating with Paypal.

Kev-in-UK
September 18, 2010 5:53 pm

Firstly, I would like to say that on the face of it – the problem seems relatively small (as in, the number of complainants) relative to the potential economic benefits to the area.
I would also certainly take the view that the licensing authority and planners should have considered all of the ‘aspects’ of the feedlot at the time of application.
On the basis of (original) licensing conditions having been met – there seems little reason to withhold ‘re-licensing’ but I can see why they may wish to impose extra conditions (though clearly, as an outsider, I cannot comment on whether those extra conditions have been ‘beefed up’ by local action groups – excuse the pun – to deliberately try and put the venture out of business.)
I am intrigued as to what detailed environmental monitoring has or has not been used by either party (or parties) to confirm or deny the presence of significant odour at the suggested distance of 4 to 5 km away.
My suggestion would have been to install appropriate air quality sampling points along the ‘route’ to town. If the odour production really is that strong (as suggested by the complaints link given above) I would have no doubt that gas sampling and analysis would be able to ‘pinpoint’ the source – I would also be reasonably confident that pig manure and cow manure would generate different odour ‘signatures’, for example?
Would there be any merit in doing such analysis now – even though there are no cattle on the feedlot? – in other words, could there be a ‘control’ set of samples, along with a survey of citizens – which (one would presume) would confirm the ‘no cattle odour’ state of play. Thereafter, on appeal (or as a condition of the appeal being granted?), perhaps a few thousand cattle could be introduced, and with additional sampling immediately adjacent to the feedlot, and further sampling (and survey) of the route to town after an appropriate period. Surely, this would/could scientifically confirm the presence of absence of ‘odour’?
One complainant specifically mentions H2S – which is easily detected in very small concentrations with readily available and not too expensive equipment, for example (I used to do this myself!)
A period of monitoring and scientific analysis could perhaps be offered as some type of agreement between all parties?. If the monitoring clearly shows the problem, and defines how serious it is – correct decisions could be made without either party feeling unreasonably aggrieved – (i.e. control, shut down or continuation as before). It could transpire that the odour IS a problem, but on only certain days, conditions, etc – or that it IS from somewhere else entirely! As the human nose is highly sensitive to H2S – it may simply be the H2S concentration thats the problem, which could be addressed by different feeds, etc, etc (and no – I dont know anything about feeds, farming, or cow farts ! – I am just wildly speculating in the hope it may trigger some reasonable thoughts in others?).
As I read it – there needs to be some serious legal arbitration rather than the us and them ‘fight’ attitude.
I find it amazing that the livelihood of a (supposedly) successful operation seems to be reliant on what really amounts to anecdotal evidence (this is only from what I have read, so I cannot be sure of this!). The environmental health dept, etc, should surely have some scientific evidence before they strap on their size 12 boots and start laying into folk??
I try write this from a neutral view – though I agree with the majority of anti-establishment type comments and can fully sympathise with the Thompsons position.
However, my view (and I don’t mean to sound patronising) would always be to fight fire with fire and try to produce scientific facts. Here in the Uk, we have quite grim odour at the moment with manure spreading, but it never extends ‘kilometres’ – though I’d admit to not wanting to have to suffer it for more than the time it usually takes to drive past – and of course, it is usually a temporary thing anyway. The ‘rural’ area argument is unfair – of course, we expect manure smells in the country – but not suddenly or ‘newly’ imposed on a constant basis on our homes. Hence, if it was shown to be say only a couple of days a month – that would surely be considered ‘normal’ for rural life? It is this kind of information that is difficult to extract from the reporting, but it is exactly this kind of information that needs to be made available for anyone to make a reasonable assessment.
Just my view… and good wishes to the Thompsons

September 18, 2010 5:57 pm

I can understand some readers may be sceptical. I am sure the issue is not as simple as it may at first seem, from either side.
However, I trust Anthony, he’s always been straight and clear, and he has actually met these people. I also trust Jo.
I have been a victim of bureaucracy influenced by unscrupulous malicious individuals. My family was threatened with deportation from Australia because some thoroughly unpleasant person (whom I had demonstrated as being professionally incompetent) decided to make allegations regarding my professional activities that had breached my visa conditions. The Department of Immigration saw fit to believe the allegations, and I had to spend $10k on lawyers to prove that what I was doing was within the conditions that the department themselves had set, ie to prove to them what their own conditions actually were! As such, I have every sympathy for the victims here.
My donation sent.

September 18, 2010 6:00 pm

1DandyTroll says:
September 18, 2010 at 5:32 pm

I don’t get it, don’t the people of australia give a [snip] about their own peeps?
Not that I don’t mind the whole saving people thingy but give me a frakking break will ya I alone can only do so much. Apparently, of course, this is more then the whole pathetic Aussie hackers alone are able to achieve.
Pfft.

Not sure I get your point? I could take offence at a possible insult to Australians, but I’ll give you the benefit.

RexAlan
September 18, 2010 6:06 pm

Donated via PayPal.
What has happened to the Thompson family is outrageous. Will this lunacy never end?

HB
September 18, 2010 6:11 pm

@Ralph says:
September 18, 2010 at 1:57 pm
This is certainly a tragic story and shows once more what bureaucracy can do to well meaning people. And it’s honourable that Anythony is going out of his way to help his friends.
However, a couple of things don’t quite add up. There’s a report dated April 2008 saying that the DEC wanted the number of cattle be reduced because of odour and waste managment issues.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/09/2211844.htm?site=news
It’s pretty clear from the information in Jo Nova’s article (particularly the links to the council agenda) that despite her appeal to emotions, there’s no link to the climate sceptic comments. the problem had been recognised years earlier. Hence the headcount restriction already occurring before the meeting where the comments were apparently made.
It’s clear that a number of people in the town had strong concerns about the odours. It’s also clear that the authorities tried to work with the Narrogin Beef Producers to improve their standards. One-on-one consultations and liaising with the complainants to try to settle differences without resorting to restrictions etc.
I think a number of occurrences are being conflated to make a conspiracy theory work on this one. Cooler heads might have found a solution, but launching a PR campaign isn’t.
Now, giving money to stop the foreclosure is going to solve what exactly? I know it feels good, and you’re propagandising this to the hilt. But its really just extending the agony for this family isn’t it? Are they going to keep fighting on with something that they can’t afford to run with the current licence?
Better to make a clear break and move on, IMHO.

R. Craigen
September 18, 2010 6:12 pm

Given the actual neighbors’ complaints against the Thompsons, this isn’t a matter only of helping them keep their farm. There needs to be a solution to the smell problem. From the neighbors’ descriptions, it is an unusually strong smell. This can happen for subtle reasons, not always easily controlled. But perhaps the college that wrote in complaint might also provide the manpower to study the situation and come up with a solution. In the meantime there is a well-known solution to feedlot odour problems: a little thing called Zeolite. I don’t know if it’s available in Oz, but though it increases costs, it improves relations to neighbours and has the benefit of improving the soil-enriching qualities of manure.

Sean McHugh
September 18, 2010 6:20 pm

Apart from donating, I think it could also help if politicians in Australia could be made aware of the concern that this is causing. I therefore think it would might a good idea for everyone to voice their objection (or appeal) to the WA State Premier. Here is the contact link for Colin Barnett:
http://www.premier.wa.gov.au/Pages/Contact.aspx
Perhaps a link could be included in the main article. It doesn’t matter if you aren’t an Australian resident; the fact that the concern has global extent, will only help get their attention.
Tony Abbott, leader of the federal Opposition in Australia (against Labor/Greens), could also be made aware of this. He, at least, has taken a tentative stand against Warmunism. Here is his contact link:
http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/ContactTony.aspx

DirkH
September 18, 2010 6:20 pm

Mike Jonas says:
September 18, 2010 at 4:12 pm
“[…]a major odour problem. The document appears to be genuine, as it contains identification of the WA College of Agriculture Narrogin who would surely complain loudly if misrepresented ”
Excuse me, a COLLEGE OF AGRICULTURE that complains about smells from an agricultural business? That’s like a programmer complaining about the need to sit in front of a screen.

1DandyTroll
September 18, 2010 6:28 pm

@JERoME
‘Not sure I get your point? I could take offence at a possible insult to Australians, but I’ll give you the benefit.’
Why? If yer an australian hacker I frakking insult ya all the way and then some and then I frakking spit on ya, just for a good measure and to make a point, right. But jesus, what kind of a pathetic person are you if you don’t take care of your own?

Rachelle
September 18, 2010 6:28 pm

Thanks for the heads up. Donation sent.

September 18, 2010 6:32 pm

Sent them Ulysses S Grant as a goodwill ambassador. ☺

hotrod ( Larry L )
September 18, 2010 6:47 pm

Smokey says:
September 18, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Sent them Ulysses S Grant as a goodwill ambassador. ☺

I suspect some would think a re-enactment of Sherman’s march to the sea would be appropriate.
Larry

R John
September 18, 2010 6:58 pm

Donated some $$$. Good luck and God bless to the Thompson’s.

Bruce Cunningham
September 18, 2010 7:04 pm

Donation sent. Good job Anthony for helping carry the torch with Jo and the others on this one!

Spartan79
September 18, 2010 7:06 pm

Thanks for the post. I’ll send along a donation, and linked your post at Free Republic; some response might come from their readers.
This is by no means a problem unique to our friends down under. Numerous American farmers have been subject to legal harassment after city folks bought their place in the county and were shocked, SHOCKED! to discover that agriculture sometimes is associated with smells, dust, and noise. Its like folks who buy a home underneath the departure path of some major metropolitan airport only to discover to their amazement that noisy airplanes are roaring overhead all day. Next thing you know they’re lawyering up.

Stephan
September 18, 2010 7:19 pm

Thats why I left Australia and took my business elsewhere DVM Msc, PhD

savethesharks
September 18, 2010 7:22 pm

Done.

Editor
September 18, 2010 7:23 pm

Treeman : “Reading through the comments I see that a few have posted the complaints from neighbours. They would do well to have a look at Jo Nova’s Smell the evidence post here: http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/smell-that-evidence/
I have now read it. Seems there is a second smell!
DirkH : “Excuse me, a COLLEGE OF AGRICULTURE that complains about smells from an agricultural business?
Not the main point, perhaps, but a good one.
It seems to me that, as usual, it is best to cut through the noise and find the main points. Maybe Jo Nova has done this satisfactorily. Even if JN is out somewhat, it is surely the case that the Thompsons were treated [add appropriate adjective] unfairly and our support of them is highly justified.
Would someone care to say when “Matt Thompson started doubting global warming and talking about it publicly” so that we can see where it fits on Jo Nova’s chart?

hotrod ( Larry L )
September 18, 2010 7:31 pm

Unfortunately true, unlike water rights in the U.S. Property usage is not protected by priority of use.
In water law the oldest water claim has priority over all other junior claims. In land use matters the prevailing attitude and accepted norms of the majority trump even land owners who have been doing the same thing for generations.
This has been a problem for all sorts of specialty uses such as agriculture, airports, racing venues (drag strips) out door movie theaters etc.
You could have a working cattle ranch that has been in continuous use for 100 years and if enough environmental whackos move in as your neighbors, you be come the nuisance and they become the “community” and define define the “acceptable use” in the neighborhood.
It would be nice if people actually had to be responsible for their decisions, but in land use situations that is not the case. If I could get enough people of similar world view and attitude to move into a community, I can dictate what long time natives of the community can do, even though I could have and should have known that they all had homes with private hangers and a small air strip in their back yards and like to fly every Saturday morning at 7:00 am, if enough new neighbors move in and complain about the noise from that activity you can drive them out of the their own neighborhood.
It would be very nice if someone some where could get a land mark case ruling that the oldest prevailing use has seniority over newer uses. If there is a pig farm nearby that has been in operation for some time, there is no legitimate claim that a cattle feed lot is a nuisance due to odors.
The same tactic has been used to shut down commercial businesses as it is nearly impossible to prove the negative that your business is not responsible for an odor problem alleged by some hyper sensitive neighbor.
Larry

September 18, 2010 7:32 pm

When properly calibrated, this machine could be located upwind to test complainants’ olfactory objectivity.

John Andrews
September 18, 2010 7:44 pm

It says something about the WUWT blog and Anthony in particular that in order to get to this point on this page after donating a few dollars, I had to wade through seemingly hundreds of similar messages. Thanks for what you to Anthony.

Gary
September 18, 2010 7:46 pm

Donation sent.
Keep us posted on how it goes.
Thanks

Gordon Ford
September 18, 2010 7:50 pm

What all states and provinces need is a “Right to Farm Act” as follows:
http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/ministry/legsum/FPPR.stm
One buys peacefull pastoral views at their peril. It saves a lot of grief and court time.

DonB
September 18, 2010 8:06 pm

As I made my contribution I had some thoughts on smells and people:
I grew up in rural Oklahoma among farms and oil wells. One uncle was a rancher and raised cattle and another was an oilman and raised oil. Anyone who has lived near either will know that they smell. A sour well produces a smell like no other and cow manure stinks. But as my uncles, aunts and cousins didn’t seem to mind the smell that put food on the table I got used to it too.
I later moved to the middle part of the state of Georgia. It was there that I met my wife of 44+ years. Her parents lived in an area that was “blessed” with a paper mill. Now there is a smell with a capital S. During my courtship I was reluctant to visit if the wind was blowing the smell toward the house but I figured that if I wanted to make this beautiful woman my wife that I’d have to get used to it. So I did.
People can get used to any kind of smell if there’s a reason to do so. On the other hand there are those who just salivate at the thought of making trouble. Witness the shenanigans that are the fodder of the neighborhood/homeowners associations. I once bought a large piece of property near Atlanta, Georgia. At the closing I got a 40 page set of covenants – rules as to what was allowed and not allowed on any piece of property. We built our home deep in the woods and well away from the road. In fact, the house could not be seen unless you drove down the drive for several hundred feet, over a hill and around a curve. I was surprised to receive a letter from the attorney representing the homeowners association telling me that I had to remove my boat from the property as it was not allowed. I never did find out how anyone knew that there was a boat on the property nor why it bothered them. A group of small minded people can make nasty neighbors in any country

James allison
September 18, 2010 8:14 pm

Ah yes the National Bank – the fair weather friend. Just donated. Good luck Thompson family.

Jim
September 18, 2010 8:19 pm

The problem for us in the US is that we are on the same path. TWO MORE MONTHS!! Donation sent.

September 18, 2010 8:27 pm

Another donation from a former Okie. The point about smells is important: sane people will tolerate a smell if it’s part of their community’s productivity. When you get rid of the smell you diminish your own wealth. (Caveat: real pollution like lead is a whole different matter.)

hotrod ( Larry L )
September 18, 2010 8:33 pm

polistra says:
September 18, 2010 at 8:27 pm
Another donation from a former Okie. The point about smells is important: sane people will tolerate a smell if it’s part of their community’s productivity. When you get rid of the smell you diminish your own wealth. (Caveat: real pollution like lead is a whole different matter.)

That is why in many rural communities if someone from outside complains about the odor the answer is usually “thats the smell of money”!
Lots of industries have characteristic smells — if you don’t like the smell live someplace else.
Larry

John
September 18, 2010 8:46 pm

Tom Rowan says:
The Austrailian government sees fit to spend 3 million to fly Oprah Winfrey’s audience to Austrailia and writes it off as “advertising.”
The same Austrailian government sees fit to put farming out of business.

No, not the same government, the Thompson’s is a state issue.
The WA state government is centre-right, roughly the Australian equivalent of the Republicans or Tories, so not exactly the leftist conspiracy it’s being made out to be.

mick
September 18, 2010 8:51 pm

Donation underway.

hide the decline
September 18, 2010 9:04 pm

Donation sent.
I am ashamed to call myself Australian. The tyranny of the unproductive minority and the unadulterated clueless class.

Methow Ken
September 18, 2010 9:09 pm

I grew up on a dry-land wheat farm in ND that my grandfather homesteaded 111 years ago. Also traveled fairly extensively around Australia in the 1980’s: Good people; good country; seemed like an island of sanity in the larger mad world around them. And now:
How in the world did that fair land and people ever get themselves saddled with government bureaucrats who would do such a thing for no good reason to hard-working farmers ??… Sad. Very sad.
I had some spare dollars bouncing around my PayPal account; threw a few in the Thompson family direction via the Jo Nova link. Thanks 2 both Jo Nova and WUWT for shining some daylight on this crazy situation.

September 18, 2010 9:11 pm

Dear Amazing People of this World-
We’re overwhelmed — not with our problems, but with YOUR goodness. The extremists of this world would have everyone believe that people are bad and a blight to this planet. We have ever increasing proof that the truth is anything but that. Cash donations, offers of housing, offers of legal advice, food… your generosity is moving, to say the least.
“Thank You” seems utterly inadequate, but it’s all we can say. We hope to repay you by continuing to fight, and hopefully using our atrocious story to make a positive difference.
We’re scrambling to figure out our next move(s). We have no idea what to expect, but are getting advice from all quarters as to how we can respond when action is taken.
In the mean time, know that we are buoyed by your kindness, your support, and most importantly, your recognition that we fight something dangerous and much bigger than just us. We are but one example of the “unintended consequences” of centralised control.
The principles of our story apply to many, many stories right around the world. When non-producers stand over producers and have the power to stop production through complaints and activism, our society is in big trouble.
Warm Regards and Many Thanks,
Matt & Janet
(and Kate, Abby, Will & Luke!)

John
September 18, 2010 9:16 pm

May I please point out that the WA state gov’t are centre-right, and hence I really doubt the leftist-greens conspiracy that some are suggesting?

September 18, 2010 9:21 pm

Used to live in Northern Nevada. Lots of farming and cattle in the valley south of Carson. California Liberals moved into the area and were passing around petitions to stop the ranching. Ranching is so…so…distasteful. As the Libs nibbled their brie and sipped their chardonnay, the odor and flies were a disagreeable presence that lessened their enjoyment of the charmingly simple pastoral experience.
Mothers, tell your children that California Liberals (and liberals in general) are the Ninth Plague of the Bible. The Plague of Darkness.
Sent a donation, but…..
We have the same trouble right here in River City.
The Spotted Owl Episode was built on a hoax because the liberal activists who had taken over the bureaucracy thought that lumbering was “distasteful”. Some 150,000 jobs were lost. There were no other jobs in those small communities so the people lost everything. Homes, dreams. college for the kids. Everything gone and families crushed by bureaucratic fiat.
A humanitarian disaster greater than Hurricane Katrina. And the vile elitist pigs didn’t care about those people. The people were insignificant, just dirt to be ground under their self-righteous boots.
As the New York Times once said about the murder of 10,000,000 people in the Ukraine (1930’s): “You can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs”. And you can’t make a Utopian Paradise if you worry about the insignificant. Like you and me.
Franz Kafka understood. “Everyman” being crushed by a mindless self-serving bureaucracy. “The Trial” comes to mind.
http://www.kafka-online.info/the-trial.html
or for just an overview
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial
Pray for our country and the Thompson family.
We all deserve better.
Steamboat Jack (Jon Jewett’s evil twin)

E.M.Smith
Editor
September 18, 2010 9:52 pm

Just emptied my remaining paypal balance into it. Best of luck.

Wild Violet
September 18, 2010 9:54 pm

Anthony thank you for your continuing support for Matt and Janet.
I am Australian, 7th generation to be exact – i too like the Thompson’s had our home taken by stealth of regulation under the guise of “for the good of the environment” and all that encompasses our children lost their home, their land, their country.
Farmers in Australia are now being displaced at an ever increasing rate. Our farmers are suiciding at an escalating pace – i fear for my own son and daughters.
Australian’s do fight! We do stand up – however it appears that a well oiled “green machine” has a very good head start – and we all – world wide need to catch up, stand up, and support our producers on every continent –
Power to the People to reinstate common sense, reinstate Property Rights and bring back compassion and humanity !

CRS, Dr.P.H.
September 18, 2010 9:58 pm

Janet H. Thompson says:
September 18, 2010 at 9:11 pm
Dear Amazing People of this World-
—–
Dear Janet, Matt, and family….
YOU are the amazing people of the world!! Thank you for your adherence to your beliefs, and we all hope that you will prevail.
If you have any neighborhood issues with odors from livestock manure, please have Anthony contact me by email. That is one of my areas of expertise. One way to beat these slugs is to engage them in their own tactics, such as using best sustainable practice for your operation (I’m willing to bet that you do that already).
People like you are the foundation of humanity, providing us all with food, raw materials and valuable lessons about life. Your story has touched many.
Cheers, Charles the Dr.P.H. (University of Illinois, USA)

Adam (Just out of Newcastle...)
September 18, 2010 10:05 pm

The biggest issue I see here isn’t with the “stink”. The problem more than likely lies with the fact that the Western Australian government has this thing about crushing farmers to make way for mining. I wouldn’t mind betting that within 10 years, there’s going to be a big old dirty open cut mine where this “dirty” feedlot was planned to be… Neighbours be damned.
I do have a suggestion for Matt & Janet though, coming from someone in the industry. Come east 😉 There’s still plenty of room for good hardworking people like you here in central west NSW.

Mike G
September 18, 2010 10:08 pm

Used to live two miles from the end of an air force runway back before they made engines so powerful the planes could gain a lot of altitude before they passed over my house, on full after-burner. It never occurred to me to complain about the “sound of freedom” passing overhead and rattling my china out of the cabinet. Oh, the other major employer in the area was a paper mill. The smell was terrible but I never complained about that because I knew people who depended on that plant for their livelihood.

Richard
September 18, 2010 10:31 pm

I’ve just made a donation to the bank and also e-mailed the story to some of my contacts and asked them to do the same. Hopefully people will continue to do the right thing by the Thompsons. They are such a genuine couple that it would be wrong not to help them out. Good luck in the future, we have not heard the last of Matt and Janet.
Is it possible to have an update of how many have donated?

John Whitman
September 18, 2010 10:37 pm

Sent some Yankee dollars their way.
I grew up on an upstate New York dairy farm. We also ran some pigs, chickens, ducks, bees, you name it. I always thought it smelled good. : ) Whenever I run across the smell, it reminds me of my youthful home.
John

Andrew P.
September 18, 2010 11:05 pm

Virveli says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:21 am
Perhaps someone would like to see what the actual neighbours wrote about the facility in their own words?
http://narroginlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/neighbour-presentations.pdf

Thanks for this, there is always two sides to a story. First let me say that I live on the edge of a small town, less than 1km from 2 cattle farms, and we occasionally have to endure some fairly pungent smells when the farmers are muck speading on the surrounding fields. I have no problem with this, it is part of country life, and the farms were here long before me and my neighbours.
I read the neighbours’ (and the Agricultural College’s) compliants and there clearly is a very serious odour problem. (I have also read Jo Nova’s response to these, and her graph (of numer of cattle v. number of complaints) is interesting but flawed, as people wouldn’t complain so much early on because they would be cutting the Thompsons slack, in the hope that the smells were teething problems. and there surely be many other factors). The neighbouring residents don’t appear to be typical greens or eco-tards (their points are well reasoned unlike most ecotards’ posts on the Guardian or Independent). Some made the important point that they had settled in the town 50 years ago, and had had no problem with the old pig farm, as they recognised that as a typical rural activity (and it was there before them). The Thompsons came to the area only a few years ago with a new much larger scale agricultural operation. It seems that public assurances given to locals that there would not be any smells proved to be false, and many of the neighbours can longer spend anytime outside, and have to close up all their windows, and retreat indoors (and switch off the A/C), which cannot be pleasant in a hot climate.
So it seems fairly clear that this cattle feeding lot should not have been granted a license as it is far too close to the existing residents and town. And 10,000 cattle may be small compared to what they have in Texas, but I have no doubt that 10,000 intensively reared cattle will make a hell of a stink, even with good waste management policies and practices.
So while I have sympathy for the Thompsons, and recognise that they have undoubtedly been messed around by the bureaucrats in the environmental agency, they started the enterprise in the wrong location. The root of the problem is not the bureaucrats trying to shut down the Thomsons, it is that they granted them a license in the first place. Sadly, the long term solution is for the Thompsons to cut their losses and relocate the business to somewhere more appropriate. So I am with John in CA and Mike Jonas and won’t be donating.

September 18, 2010 11:28 pm

“The root of the problem is not the bureaucrats trying to shut down the Thomsons, it is that they granted them a license in the first place.”
So, you’re saying it’s still not their fault, but that’s your rationale for not helping? That’s [snip].
I hit the button, and I hope it helps!

Noelene
September 18, 2010 11:43 pm

John says:
May I please point out that the WA state gov’t are centre-right, and hence I really doubt the leftist-greens conspiracy that some are suggesting?
The centre right government as you call it took over in Sept 2008,after the damage had already been done.
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/tyranny-how-to-destroy-a-business-with-environmental-red-tape/
just to clarify: We obtained a Works Approval (#3600) from the Department of Environment in 2002, and final go-ahead in 2003, after being on hold over a year. That works approval (permission to build) was site-specific. We received permission to construct a 14,940 head beef cattle feedlot in this location. We’ve had 5 licences so far, and had staged our development, so there is a different throughput noted on each one.
We have built to a capacity of 10,000, and operated at that level prior to 2008, when the DEC cut our throughput to 6,000 head max. They knew that we could not cash flow this, because we had already invested the capital to build the infrastructure to 10,000. Even if there were true environmental problems (which there weren’t), surely an established business should be able to effectively operate through those problems. As someone has so rightly pointed out, the piggery was allowed to do so (although the piggery was still very much on the front page when we came to town…the complainants just turned their attention to us; the piggery is a great neighbour, and we have a great life on-site, but you know what? It smells often, and occasionally, it smells horrendously. We would never complain, as we knew they were there before we bought our property, and we are proud that they are producing Australian pork!)

Noelene
September 18, 2010 11:48 pm

John says:
May I please point out that the WA state gov’t are centre-right, and hence I really doubt the leftist-greens conspiracy that some are suggesting?
The libs formed a coalition government with independents in Sept 2008,after the damage had been done to the Thompsons
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/tyranny-how-to-destroy-a-business-with-environmental-red-tape/
just to clarify: We obtained a Works Approval (#3600) from the Department of Environment in 2002, and final go-ahead in 2003, after being on hold over a year. That works approval (permission to build) was site-specific. We received permission to construct a 14,940 head beef cattle feedlot in this location. We’ve had 5 licences so far, and had staged our development, so there is a different throughput noted on each one.
We have built to a capacity of 10,000, and operated at that level prior to 2008, when the DEC cut our throughput to 6,000 head max. They knew that we could not cash flow this, because we had already invested the capital to build the infrastructure to 10,000. Even if there were true environmental problems (which there weren’t), surely an established business should be able to effectively operate through those problems. As someone has so rightly pointed out, the piggery was allowed to do so (although the piggery was still very much on the front page when we came to town…the complainants just turned their attention to us; the piggery is a great neighbour, and we have a great life on-site, but you know what? It smells often, and occasionally, it smells horrendously. We would never complain, as we knew they were there before we bought our property, and we are proud that they are producing Australian pork.

Wild Violet
September 19, 2010 12:03 am

@
Andrew P. says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:05 pm
“So while I have sympathy for the Thompsons, and recognise that they have undoubtedly been messed around by the bureaucrats in the environmental agency, they started the enterprise in the wrong location. The root of the problem is not the bureaucrats trying to shut down the Thomsons, it is that they granted them a license in the first place.”
The root of the problem is that the bureaucrats APPROVED this feedlot – Matt & Janet played by the rules – they complied as the bureaucrats directed – on the bureaucrats directive –
So let me get this straight, you sympathize, yet you do not think that the bureaucrats are accountable in any way here? Pfffft!
Further that this is Matt and Janets fault – seriously! (ref “So it seems fairly clear that this cattle feeding lot should not have been granted a license as it is far too close to the existing residents and town.”)
Ah yes the complaints – i happen to be very familiar with them – i suggest that everybody read them.
Hm, environmental group, wild accusation’s about other people investing money, oh i cant have a BBQ, and the biggy – it affects my value of my land to subdivide!
And they all mention these points well, almost word perfect! What a jolly coincidence! Amazing!
It could be claimed that with an operating feedlot, that like the piggery and the Ag College, for other residents who wish to subdivide – this could be a great incentive for young people to come into the area build and have employment opportunities WITH an operating feedlot – it appears the “boat has sailed” for that marketing opportunity for the complainants!
Maybe that wasn’t the reason after all – really does stink doesn’t it – just cant seem to pinpoint the odor problem – well, it seems to waft from the bureaucrats imho.
Good to read this point of view though, (above) it just strengthens the plight of the Thompson Family is fact – the family have been “screwed over” with all accountability on them , and none on the bureaucrats, financial facilities own scrutinizing on the loans – after all they must have believed the bureaucrats (DEC / EDO) as well – bugger ‘ay!

Editor
September 19, 2010 12:03 am

Andrew P. : “The root of the problem is not the bureaucrats trying to shut down the Thomsons, it is that they granted them a license in the first place. Sadly, the long term solution is for the Thompsons to cut their losses and relocate the business to somewhere more appropriate.“.
If the bureaucrats granted a licence then the Thompsons are entitled to compensation if they have their licence revoked or reduced or are forced out – provided they complied with the licence conditions of course.
Andrew P. “So I am with .. Mike Jonas and won’t be donating.“.
I assume that you mean you are with me on the logic, and not that you are making an assumption about whether I have donated. But re the logic – my last comment said “it is surely the case that the Thompsons were treated [add appropriate adjective] unfairly and our support of them is highly justified.“, and I don’t quite see how that leads to not donating (not that it is any of my business whether or not you donate).

Nylo
September 19, 2010 12:29 am

I am not in a good economical situation right now, but what the h*ll…
My two cents.
I mean, my 10 dollars.
Please someone sue those inhuman “environmentalists”. Is there no australian lawyer reading these news?

Jessie
September 19, 2010 12:35 am

adrian says: September 18, 2010 at 12:57 pm Kev-in-UK says: September 18, 2010 at 5:53 pm Mike Jonas says: September 18, 2010 at 7:23 pm and others
Thank you for your posts,
Miasma (foul air), an early theory of diseases (refer to wiki) led to much of the global public health agenda and travel in mapping disease and providing relief. The medical profession prefer in their history to omit the work of engineers in alleviating disease and death.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/bazalgette_joseph.shtml
This article provides a reasonable overview of the work of the metereological and epidemiological societies in dealing with the cholera http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1081893/pdf/medhist00108-0037.pdf
Miasma theory evolved to post-facto measurement of death (notably children most at risk of death from cholera), the pulling of the communal pump handle by Dr Snow and spatial mapping http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2010/04/john_snow.php
The media has reported a large number of suicides of recent in Narrogin, http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/narrogin-suicide-fund-runs-out-20090202-7vmd.html and the international NGO Oxfam has responded by injecting funds, with a new model of health proposed, through state funding, to alleviate these reported events.
The WA Coroner does not provide information about this dreadful situation http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/I/inquest_findings.aspx?uid=9349-4756-3915-2531 so there is little information that other agencies can employ to further avert such human catastrophe in a small regional town.
Given the funding expected by the Narrogin Agricultural College ($22 million+8), it is very concerning that a rural town with such potential for industry and innovation has so many problems. http://narrogin.wa.gov.au/COUNCIL/Minutes/Full%20Council/2009/2.%20Mar09%20OCmins.pdf
For anyone interested in the work by Koch, mining and engineers on malaria and TB, wiki has a link:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasma_theory_of_disease and SSPI also has a recent article on malaria and the legacy of banning DDT. ‘Three billion and counting’ http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/
I wish the Thompson family all the best in this situation. My thoughts are also with families and colleagues, of those young men who died.

Nylo
September 19, 2010 12:37 am

@ Andrew P:
“The root of the problem is not the bureaucrats trying to shut down the Thomsons, it is that they granted them a license in the first place”.
Then if the problem has been created by the bourocrats, it is THEM who have to solve it. If their wrong doing has caused severe losses to the Thompsons, THEY should run with the debts. Is it expensive? Well, sorry. It was THEIR decision and it is THEIR responsibility. When they pay, I’m sure that the Thompsons will have no problem at all moving the business to another location.
Or, if they don’t want to pay, they can just allow the business that they had already allowed back in time.

Patrick Davis
September 19, 2010 12:43 am

This is yet another sad day for Australia. And sorry, I still don’t have any spare money to donate with either to these people or any others TBH, I have to work because there are so many on welfare here that I am forced to support.
Bob Brown, the Greens MP, is pushing for voluntary euthanaisa laws to be relaxed. Hummm….thin edge me thinks!

September 19, 2010 12:44 am

Dear Andrew P., et al-
Thank you for making comments in this open public forum, so as to allow us an opportunity to respond directly. We appreciate that heaps.
We definitely encourage everyone to look at all sides of the story. The link provided above does not do that very well, as it is to a pdf with only a small portion of the opinions on this story. Here is the link that contains everything that happened at the Local Community Consultative Committee meetings:
http://narroginlibrary.wordpress.com/whats-on/community-stuff/
The “neighbour” presentations demonstrate very well the ulterior motives that exist behind some of these complainants.
Property values actually increased dramatically while we were operating. There is a link provided.
Also provided are comments from neighbours who were positive about our business. “Neighbour Report – Bill Furness” is from Bill and Pete Furness, who live between the feedlot and a couple of the most bitter complainants.
There is a link to “Farmer Presentations” in which local farmers speak positively about the feedlot.
We have been open and honest about our business from Day 1. We’re proud of that, we’re proud of our facility, and we’re proud of our community. Please, if you have genuine questions or concerns, put them up here and we’ll attempt to answer. Anthony Watts and Joanne Nova at least provide that venue for communication. Without this, the white ants (termites) would never be exposed to the light of day.
We’re thankful for the Internet and for good people who care about truth.

Ross
September 19, 2010 12:56 am

Andrew P — if the solution is that Matt and Janet have to relocate then it should be the bureaucrats or the organisation that employs them they “should cut their losses” and PAY for Matt and Janet to relocate. As you correctly say they gave the licence and permits in the first place (ie they made the errors –if indeed there were any errors) .If they now what to change the rules THEY PAY.

UK Sceptic
September 19, 2010 1:05 am

Donated my bit to help stave of this disgusting piece of green fascism.

Gareth Phillips
September 19, 2010 1:25 am

While my heart goes out to this family I believe feedlots are not an acceptable farming method. They increase the rate of problems such as Salmonella and have been described as concentration camps for cattle. I am an environmental sceptic, and believe much of what is published here makes a lot of sense, but as a small holder in Wales I still think animal welfare is important and would rather pay more for good quality beef, than see animals suffer for the sake of cheap burgers.

meltemian
September 19, 2010 1:33 am

Donation made.
Disgraceful situation – I hope everything works out for them.

Ferdinand
September 19, 2010 1:54 am

Can we have the name of the Principal officer in the Australian Government driving this matter ? Our donations need to be backed up by forcedful direct criticism of his/her conduct.

Ralph
September 19, 2010 2:19 am

The account will need a Swift number, or at least an IBAN code, to make an international transfer.

Ralph
September 19, 2010 2:21 am

Just as important. … Which newspapers do we write to?

Ross @ Cairns
September 19, 2010 2:24 am

Andrew P.
Your comments give a great insight into your character.
Unlike you I am more than happy to make my donation to this unfortunate family.

September 19, 2010 2:41 am

Hope you will all bear with me as I comment in response to a genuine question and a couple of comments above.
Matt spoke out publicly against greenhouse gases being included in the National Pollutant Inventory (NPI) reporting in Australia in May 2007 (I think it was the 17th). That, we believe, is when the Environmental Defender’s Office (EDO) got involved. They came to Narrogin and got the local handful of people opposed to us organised – got them incorporated and taught them how to use the legal system to gum up the works.
That group of complainants existed from the beginning. We were on hold over a year getting all approvals in the beginning, and the core local complainant appealed that approval. This same group was complaining bitterly about the piggery before we moved here, and before we had any cattle. They were determined to be against us.
As for DEC, Matt first reared his head in 2005 on the NPI issue, as this Government entity was going to force producers to admit to polluting annually (subject to a fine) and then put up all personal details on one centralised database. The whole NPI system was fraught with problems – lack of science being the primary one. We have an email that we got through the second FOI request (they had succeeded in hiding it the first time!) in which an NPI employee writes to our regulator and says, “Heads up, this guy’s causing trouble.” (I paraphrase.)
In summary:
Complaints existed from the beginning;
Complaints increased whenever we went to renew our licence;
DEC only began relying heavily upon those complaints after Matt began “causing trouble” on the NPI / Greenhouse Gas issue, but MUCH more obviously after the May 2007 public meeting in Perth;
The EDO of WA, animal rights activists and many ulterior motives have been actively at play on our case.
*****
In response to the animal rights comments, we take offence at generalisations that imply or openly state that feedlots are bad for animals. We are VERY proud of our animal welfare standards, and we were friends with Temple Grandin before Hollywood made her famous outside of animal agriculture circles.
Please watch our two-part YouTube video for a 12-minute summary of our story:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgFPDcPr5yA
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCsi1Inc-rE&feature=related
Again, thank you all for your support and your willingness to engage.
Kind Regards,
Janet

September 19, 2010 2:43 am

1DandyTroll says:
September 18, 2010 at 6:28 pm

@JERoME
‘Not sure I get your point? I could take offence at a possible insult to Australians, but I’ll give you the benefit.’
Why? If yer an australian hacker I frakking insult ya all the way and then some and then I frakking spit on ya, just for a good measure and to make a point, right. But jesus, what kind of a pathetic person are you if you don’t take care of your own?

Now I’m sure I don’t get your point.
Q1: What do you mean by “an australian hacker”?
Q2: What makes you think I/we “don’t take care of [our] own”?
Are you trying to say you refuse help because Australians are not helping? If so, it is obvious they are. I might also point out there a bloody sight more Americans here who can help, and the guy was originally an American as I understand it.
A may be failing to address your point, and for sure you have the right to cast insults, but they tend to be more effective when comprehensible!

Stephen Brown
September 19, 2010 2:56 am

I’ve done my bit to support the Thompsons, well done Anthony for setting up this appeal.
Whilst reading Jo Nova’s blog about the Thompsons, I came across this link which was posted in the Comments:

It’s 16 minute video which demonstrates quite clearly that a very similar situation is happening right now in the USA. The description of the video from the site is “A short documentary covering the emotional and economic woes of the residents of Hatteras Island in the Outer Banks of North Carolina due to beach closures and excessive measures taken by the National Park Service and environmental groups.”
Amongst other official actions of crass stupidity the video depicts perfectly how NOT to preserve and protect a particular species of creature (in this case the piping plover).
At the instigation of the Audubon Society the National Parks Service is shooting any predatory species in the “sanctuary”. This is NOT the way to ensure a healthy population of the prey species.
It is the heartbreak of the affected human population which is the worst thing to watch.
The self-appointed green “authorities” are doing to the people of the USA what the same greeny-inspired “authorities” are doing to the Thompsons in Western Australia.

Barry Sheridan
September 19, 2010 3:12 am

Thank you Anthony for bringing this story to light. Donation sent via PAYPAL.
What is it with politicians in this world. Can anyone tell me why they are so intent on destroying.?

Erik
September 19, 2010 3:17 am

@Ralph
September 19, 2010 at 2:19 am
“The account will need a Swift number, or at least an IBAN code, to make an international transfer.”
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IBAN and Swift is not a world wide thing, but you can use a credit card on the link provided, I used my Visa Card, very fast and no problem whatsoever

KenB
September 19, 2010 3:47 am

Messages sent, money on the way. It is time to make a stand, I hope that it is significant enough reaction and result to define the anger and frustration at the way we are being treated.
May the US path be made easier too with this demonstrated groundswell of support.
Time to jolt some politicians!!

Ziiex.Zeburz
September 19, 2010 4:06 am

Pressed the button,
The world is your back yard,
on the 1st of July here in Germany we held a barbecue in our back yard, Police, (6 ) Fire engines (3) court costs Euros 1,750… It is Verboten to barbecue in a residential area, in court we learned that the police had received complaints from 6 of our neighbors, (even the good smells ) but this is Germany and I still have 1 year and 4 months of my contract before I can get out, not even if they double my very generous salary!

Editor
Reply to  Ziiex.Zeburz
September 19, 2010 5:44 am

Ziiex.Zeburz,
I am shocked!

BSM
September 19, 2010 4:23 am

Whether or not there really is an iussue with smelln is not the point here.
The permits were given and they inveseted their money based on this.
If the laws change or the particular government department concerned has a change of mind is not good enough. If that is the case they should at least have been given leniency or financial assistance in order to comply with the new situation or even to relocate.
The department changing their minds on a whim is not good enough when it destroys lives.
I think the whole issue stinks!!
I welcome the Thompsons to Australia. We need more like you.
Donation made by direct online transfer.

BSM
September 19, 2010 4:27 am

Ziiex.Zeburz says:
September 19, 2010 at 4:06 am
here in Germany we held a barbecue in our back yard, Police, (6 ) Fire engines (3)
3 Fire engines. must have been one helluva BBQ! Or maybe they are a little over sensitive to smoke and fire!

Robert
September 19, 2010 4:30 am

Is anyone reading this post chums with Christopher Booker of the Telegraph? If so, let him know – it’d be great to see an article about this in a UK broadsheet. As an investigative journalist, this is right up his street. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/

esin
September 19, 2010 4:56 am

~Done

John
September 19, 2010 5:21 am

Noelene:
The centre right government as you call it
I do.
took over in Sept 2008,after the damage had already been done.
Nevertheless, they are in charge now, and have been for over a year. They are not powerless to act. The responsible state minister is Donna Faragher.

Erik
September 19, 2010 5:40 am

@Ziiex.Zeburz
“It is Verboten to barbecue”
How about this then:
I live in Denmark, next to Germany
Imported from Germany 2 air-guns, completely legal to own (and plink with in your garden whilst barbecuing) in Denmark of cause
Did all the papers, lots of red-tape involved
A couple of month after, I was contacted by my very friendly local sheriff, he had just received a letter from Interpol about these air-guns and he wanted to know what it was all about..
Told him, case closed (you do not need and cannot get a license in Denmark for something that do not require a license of cause)

Editor
September 19, 2010 5:43 am

I also read the link posted by Virveli
http://narroginlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/neighbour-presentations.pdf
It is good to have some of the other side of the story and to hear directly from Janet Thompson. I have some experience of being on both sides of this kind of thing.
As a resident in the midst of a group opposing local planning planning permission, I had only minor concerns and was prepared to work constructively with the planned site rather than against it, but I saw my fellow residents come up with absolutely ridiculous objections grounded on nothing more than unquantified fears and speculations.
In a professional capacity I have been involved as a technical advisor to a facility seeking planning permission for expansion of a processing site that does generate smells. There was local objection and they did have some grounds for complaint, but the company had constantly exceed their regulatory obligations. The processing site had been historically part of the area and predates the occupancy of the most vocal residents. We have seen activist groups come in and organise the residents and pull in irrelavant extrapolations from other unconnected locations.
The objections in Narrogin seem to me to have some valid basis, but as each one reads in a similar way there is that sort of organised ‘group think’ in operation.
One that jumped out at me was the man who was concerned about dangerous levels of hydrogen sulphide. I’m not even sure of the importance of hydrogen sulphide in this case (ammonia may be as strong in the odour), but quoting those levels is just silly. Hydrogen sulphide is detectable (and identifiable as the characteristic rotten egg smell) by the human nose at 0.2ppm or less. 10ppm is the 8 hour occupational exposure limit. If it was ever anywhere near the levels of 50+ppm he quotes, it would have had serious health implications for the animals never mind the residents.

Jessie
September 19, 2010 6:02 am

Hello Janet and family,
I am sure the WUWT and JN bloggers would like to assist more.
With four children and a pet blue tongue, your family’ situation is of prime concern in the coming days.
I have some suggestions on behalf of the blogging family:
Someone(s) to direct and pull info posted together or for the media to be aware of this site and take direct information for reporting purposes.
Anthony and team to do meterological data of area
Someone, as I can see, to follow up on legal issues
Raise issue with the media and others
Economics of area
Brief history of your area
Someone to take Library info and analyse (I am happy to do some of this, as there interesting issues with the community consultation statistics already noted)
If we can use our skills and perhaps use this site or CAPS site to bring all the information posted together.
I understand that there are many more people (Ontario thread) but likely in Australia that have had similar stories of red tape, including the grief of having lost a family member(s) or colleague(s) through suicide.

Tom Rowan
September 19, 2010 6:05 am

Tom Rowan says:
September 18, 2010 at 9:22 am
The Austrailian government sees fit to spend 3 million to fly Oprah Winfrey’s audience to Austrailia and writes it off as “advertising.”
The same Austrailian government sees fit to put farming out of business.
Hey Oprah! Have your audience pack globalony sandwiches! Food is being outlawed in Austrailia!
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Milwaukee Bob says:
September 18, 2010 at 10:01 am
Tom Rowan said at 9:22 am
The Austrailian government sees fit to spend 3 million to fly Oprah Winfrey’s audience to Austrailia and writes it off as “advertising.”
You can’t be serious! Are you saying BILLIONAIRE Winfrey DIDN’T pay for that?? You have proof of that? She gets all the kudos while the Aussie Gov. forks over taxpayer money to ???? What? Pamper a few hundred Americans? Or kiss her butt? Three million! Wow! I didn’t you folks were doing so well down under…..
That’s just not right! And don’t anyone even speculate that if per chance I was in the audience that day if I found this out before leaving that I would still go. And Australia is on my buck list! [snip]
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John says:
September 18, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Tom Rowan says:
The Austrailian government sees fit to spend 3 million to fly Oprah Winfrey’s audience to Austrailia and writes it off as “advertising.”
The same Austrailian government sees fit to put farming out of business.
No, not the same government, the Thompson’s is a state issue.
The WA state government is centre-right, roughly the Australian equivalent of the Republicans or Tories, so not exactly the leftist conspiracy it’s being made out to be.
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http://celebrifi.com/gossip/Oprah-makes-Australian-govt-pay-33-million-to-fly-her-entire-audience-down-under-3519399.html
Oprah makes Australian gov’t pay $3.3 million to fly her entire audience down under
Technically I should title this story “Oprah lets Australian government pay…” because it’s not like she forced them to foot the bill and the details are vague as to whose idea it was. Oprah claimed on her Show that she thought it up. It’s still possible that the Australian government pitched the idea to Oprah’s people as a way to boost Tourism, or maybe it was Oprah’s people’s idea and the Aussies signed on and even offered to pay. Either way, officials seems to be thrilled that Oprah is coming to Australia with her peeps and they’re more than happy to pay for it. Technically it’s the Australian people who are paying for it through their Tax Dollars and it’s not like they got to vote on it. In comparison to a lot of other government expenditures, this seems like chump change. Still, this is Billionaire Oprah we’re talking about, she could have paid for it.
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So, if Western Austrailia is a state like California, then Austrailia’s “federal” government is sitting on its hands as eco-terrorists gut the farming industry.
Do I have that about right?
Now that makes perfect sense.
In California, water was cut off to farmers to “save” a minnow.
Obama and Oprah have sat on their hands as eco-terrorists as California eco-terrorists “cause(d) a loss of 60,000 to 80,000 jobs and over $2 billion in lost revenue” in California’s central valley.
Same eco-terrorists posing as concerned government bearucrats and “enviromentalists.”
Same [snip], different continent.

Pablo
September 19, 2010 6:17 am

I’ve done my bit too and donated. Thanks to Anthony and co for bringing it to our attention.

Vince Causey
September 19, 2010 6:31 am

It seems strange that there were no complaints for 2 years, until 2007, and then you had 10 or 20 per month. Were these complainants the same 20 or so individuals making multiple complaints, or does each complaint represent one unique individual? What percentage of the total population of the town does this represent? The point I am getting at, is if the odour problem is as bad as some are implying, then I would expect the whole town to be complaining. If these complaints actually represent a small number of the same individuals, then that smacks of activism for political reasons – persecution really.

JJB MKI
September 19, 2010 6:41 am

@HB
September 18, 2010 at 6:11 pm
It seems you haven’t really bothered to read the articles and comments from Jo Nova’s site in any detail, or you wouldn’t be dismissing the reasoned analyses and level-headed responses to criticism there (some from the Thompsons themselves) as an ‘appeal to emotion’. Complaints evidently centred around a small group of people (who had been complaining about local farms prior to the Thompsons setting up their business), were not backed up with any evidence and seemed to intensify following the involvement of an activist NGO- this suddenly after Mr Thompson vocalised his AGW scepticism. This organisation proceeded to organise and mobilise the complainants into launching a concerted effort to shut the Thompsons down. A local official reminding the Thompsons that ‘they got Al Capone in the end’ [sic], while not only painting a sinister picture of the spitefulness of WA officialdom, confirms in my mind that this issue goes way beyond a few nasty smells (particularly as complaints do not correlate with meteorological conditions, number of cattle and are unsubstantiated outside the 20 or so complainants). A conspiracy theory isn’t necessary to see this for what it is – bullying by a leftist eco-lobby that has ingratiated itself with the Government machine, and chooses to assert its sanctimonious, unproven world view by making an example of those who disagree with it. The Thompsons it seems did everything in their power to minimise the environmental impact of their farm and engage in sustainable farming practices (read their comments) – if they are being punished for this, where will the idiocy end?

RR Kampen
September 19, 2010 6:56 am

I agree with the gist of this message. But I don’t see how the Freudian adjective to the West Australian government can help.
REPLY: You don’t get it, you are over thinking it. It’s satire and a humor play on the topic – think source of the smell. – Anthony

Jessie
September 19, 2010 6:59 am

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/discovering-how-to-sniff-a-glass-of-wine.html
The British Society of Perfumers http://www.bsp.org.uk/
International Flavours and Fragrances http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/perfume/article/0,28804,1618617_1618614,00.html
From Narrogin Library files: 3/5/2009
Local Consultative Committee to CEO of DCE with cc to Minister of Environment
………….. In and following the Minister’s appeal decision of early this year she created the Narrogin Local Community Consultative Committee to provide advice relating to the licencing and operation of the Narrogin Beef Lot.
P6 Improved odour performance.
Under the auspices of the Department of Agriculture and Food there has been odour monitoring in Narrogin town for several years. In May two years ago the monitoring evolved to be based on the following:
_____________________________________________________________
Three trained and anonymous odour observers at three confidential locations in town were to make odour observations every day at 9 AM, 3PM and 9PM. Odour levels were assessed on a scale of 0 to 6. This yields about 6000 observations over two years.
__________________________________________________________
with thanks to Baa Humbug on the ‘Gavin to attend AAAS We Shall Overcome Seminar’ blog

Al Cooper
September 19, 2010 7:34 am

Anthony
PayPal worked for me today.
Donation done!

September 19, 2010 7:47 am

HB says:
September 18, 2010 at 6:11 pm

….Now, giving money to stop the foreclosure is going to solve what exactly? I know it feels good, and you’re propagandising this to the hilt. But its really just extending the agony for this family isn’t it? Are they going to keep fighting on with something that they can’t afford to run with the current licence?
Better to make a clear break and move on, IMHO.

There are four children involved, fairly young ones at that. Giving money will provide their parents with a chance to house, clothe and feed them.
Perhaps there will be enough money to hire a lawyer. Now that the Thompsons no longer have to service their debts, they will be able to spend some of the money they receive to get the qualified legal help that they have no been able to get until now. That is, provided their creditors do not seize all of their means to receive money. That often happens in such cases.
I don’t see how your argument is any less emotional than those for giving the Thompsons a helping hand. Let me see. To shorten the agony will do what, prevent the Thompsons from being able to buy enough rope to hang themselves with and thereby keep all of them safe and sound?
Is being thrown on the garbage pile a better solution than to have the Thompsons feed themselves and their children for a while longer until they manage to get legal government assistance in the form of welfare payments?
To shorten the agony means that the children are made to pay for the sin of their parents — political incorrectness — right now, rather than later.

RR Kampen
September 19, 2010 7:48 am

“REPLY: You don’t get it, you are over thinking it. It’s satire and a humor play on the topic – think source of the smell. – Anthony”
I know, and I giggled 🙂 I was just thinking of a fraction of your potential public for this message who might be put off by it. On the other hand, you may win some people for this little joke.

September 19, 2010 7:49 am

Sorry, should have been “they have not been able to get until now.”

ward
September 19, 2010 7:53 am

I’m in for 100.00, for a couple of reasons, because its terrible what is being done, because Anthony saw fit to ask for help on their behalf and I respect and trust him, and because despite spending an awful lot of time on this blog, I had never hit the paypal button to contribute to it. So consider my donation sent in your name Anthony.

roger samson
September 19, 2010 7:59 am

I have worked in agriculture for 25 years as an agronomist and scientist. In canada this farmer would not have the right to get as big as possible to be more cost efficient. Many municipalities have banned large industrial type operations of piggeries or cattle feedlots. If he made the expansion without the necessary permits for the 15000 head feedlot he took that risk and he did so knowingly. Rather than his global warming denier ideology being punished as Anthony suggests, its more likely the more common scenario of public pushing back against industrial farming. The fact is these large farms cause both odour , waste management and ground water and should be built well away from towns etc. I think the farmer should be compensated if its proven the permits were revoked after he expanded but if he assumed he would get the permits then it’s his mistake alone.

JimM
September 19, 2010 8:23 am

the world is truly upside down these days, link worked fine for me BTW

Enneagram
September 19, 2010 8:32 am

The Green Fundamentalism it is worse than any other fundamentalism because it spreads wider and its fanaticism menaces the future of the human kind.
It WAS a joke to laugh at, now it is a loaded gun pointed at the head of humanity.

Jim
September 19, 2010 8:56 am

*****
HB says:
September 18, 2010 at 6:11 pm
Now, giving money to stop the foreclosure is going to solve what exactly? I know it feels good, and you’re propagandising this to the hilt. But its really just extending the agony for this family isn’t it? Are they going to keep fighting on with something that they can’t afford to run with the current licence?
*****
If it buys the family one more month to fight this idiotic, socialist-leaning government for one more month and keep the story going, it will have been worth it. I’m not knocking Australia only for this, the US is going down the exact same road and we in the US need to take a lesson from it. Vote against the most socialistic party in the US in November!!!

Squidly
September 19, 2010 8:56 am

On the Oprah Winfrey topic:
Look Here, Here and finally, from the BBS Here

The Australian government said it was spending AUS$3 million (£1.8m) to help bring The Oprah Winfrey Show to the country as a way to boost tourism.

Disgusting!!!
People need to make some noise about this BS!!!

Dan
September 19, 2010 8:59 am

Just donated.
I know exactly how it feels to be cut up by the little STASI-people existing everywhere.
Hope you make it.
Dan

Squidly
September 19, 2010 9:02 am

Peter Hearnden says:
September 18, 2010 at 12:24 pm
“Virveli says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:21 am
Perhaps someone would like to see what the actual neighbours wrote about the facility in their own words?

Yeah, reminds me of the people that buy a house on a golf course and then bitch about betting hit by golf balls.

ozspeaksup
September 19, 2010 9:08 am

Virveli says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:21 am
Perhaps someone would like to see what the actual neighbours wrote about the facility in their own words?
http://narroginlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/neighbour-presentations.pdf
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thank you for the opportunity to see what the rest of the immediate community says.
I suggest everyone needs to read this as well.
while I personally do not like the Govt of WAs attitutude on green and climate issues and MIS use of the same in other instances.
recent examples. allowing GM crops into the state.
forcefully resuming 3X the stated land for a GAS? project in privately owned and native title lands?
taking the artesian water rights ON a farmers land, and giving it to a new Posh housing estate for the rich on the bay next door, leaving him unable to farm or use or sell his land.
Jailing a man for clearing regrowth bush to farm on, while all around IS cleared for grain.
this is a quandary for someone who disapproves of CAFO operations at all.
I posyted a heads up due to the facts that:
The Thompsons were encouraged to come and allowed to function.
then, the rules changed, and for that reason I protested.
it appears there are 2 Councillors with stated VESTED financial interests?
It pays to ask WHY?? is the bank foreclosing now, after stating a later date?
I would wonder what sense that makes?
unless?
they have one of the Other OS based CAFO operators looking for a real bargain?
being real No One else would be able to buy or use it for anything else unless the entire site is gutted.
The Thompsons made one Huge mistake, they placed their HOME on the said business property thereby allowing themselves to be forced from their home in forelosure. its why you never mortgage the home to your busines either. lose one lose all.
I do feel sorry for them, however I wonder how many of you would be happy to have a feedlot near your home? seriously?
Americas own soil and water has serious issues from this style of massive scale farms right now.
do you think that Aus or anywhere else needs it, I wonder.
watch Food Inc or Dirt.
the E coli salmonella and antibiotic resistance issues in American Beef is from this type of CAFO and processing.
cattle have 4 stomachs to digest lignins in grasses and woody browse, they are NOT meant to eat garin in large amounts, soy and corn GM waste and trash, GM cottonseed meal (or bits of other animals, remember mad cow? animal meat and bone IN feed.(still happening IN america people)
they oddly enough also dont double their growth using Implants to speed development in their natural form either.
In Aus we have massive areas that need to be browsed to keep fires down, yet the Green laws Ban that? they are not suitable for any other income or use in most cases, cattle survive where sheep die.
The recent huge fires were fuelled by undergrowth that needed to be thinned and grazed.
Kyoto agreement made any clearing or grazing like this a bad thing.
yet? this style of farming is energy intensive, locally a problem, and we have a whole damn continent that needs a good trimming bush and grass wise?
the Carbon would be recycled direct to the soil along with natural bacteria to support beneficial fertilising, and not a smell to be sniffed.
oh and it would feed people healthy natural food.
Hmm?
hard one, or is it?
Is it an issue of a Family being harrassed?
or is it a fair few other citizens, who lived there prior, being severely inconvenienced?
is it? an appropriate use of the EPA regs.
or is it the new Carbon and other nuttiness gaining ground?
another point.
IF the business went ahead, as planned, the family at least (unlike others OS businesses here) hired locals and paid Australian Taxes.
Fairly good profits in a wideopen market too, lets face it they came here to make money. At Home the markets are fairly well sewn up between a very few massive interests. tyson etc.
its an issue of one families desires to make money over the losses of revenue to the local owners and it appears businesses also. the letter in the link from the local ag college Does need to be read. page 15 16.
people dont take it wrong I feel for the Thompsons, but I have severe isues with the ethics of factory Farms.
hope others consider both sides too.
but Yes! our Govts and the agenda 21 millenium and IPCC Carbon crud are severe issue regardless.
Americas HR 510 is an attempt to make this big agri style farming ALL that you get BTW, you need to check it out, seriously. if you want farmners markets and local fresh food anyway.
being constructive,
The smell factor could be turnd to Huge advantage by underground tanking the watse and powering the town with the methane, then using that waste for worms as Matt already uses the manure
maybe the Govt should fund THAT!!! as a green initiative for renewable powewr resources.
also the phosphates/urea, From the urine are worth a mint to the ag industry if separated.

Jaymez
September 19, 2010 9:10 am

To those who have questioned whether the Thompsons applied and were given appropriate permits before making the huge capital commitment, and those who have questioned the quality of the waste management systems:
1. Licences were applied for and granted prior to the commitment of capital. Amended licence requirements came later after a few complaints from a small number of people. The vast majority of the locals support the feedlot business and the Thompson family.
2. You would expect the register of complaints about odour to increase when the feedlot had more cattle and decrease when stock was significantly less. The log of complaints do not correlate in this way which is indicative of a campaign rather than genuine complaints about odour.
3. Waste management at the feedlot is state of the art including a significant worm farm.
4. The original license approval was for 15,000 head – which is not large compared some other feedlots in Australia and certainly not large by international standards. Unfortunately, while the Dept of Environment and increase the obligations on the feedlot increasing costs and making economies of scale even more important for profitability, it has reduced the to just 10,000 head, but only after a bunch of hurdles are jumped when it reaches 5,000 head.
5. It is virtually impossible to know whether the obligations of the licence will be met because the clause is so vague. It requires the feedlot to ensure odours escaping from the feedlot do not cause unreasonable loss of amenity to locals. This is far too subjective. Does it mean they could be shut down if on a few occasions a year when operating at peak capacity and the climatic conditions are just right (wind, humidity, temperature), a couple of locals lodge a complaint about the odour? What level of odour would be considered to be unreasonable? Under the new licence conditions the Thompsons could be closed down at any time and if they have to await a departmental enquiry before a determination can be made about any new complaint the business could go broke regardless of the outcome.
6. An extensive piggery has been operating on the property next door for 20 years. The complaints ‘campaign’ about odours seems to have coincided with the Thompsons public expression of scepticism regarding climate change alarmism.
I do not know the Thompsons personally, I have read various reports on the project and have corresponded extensively with members of the Government including the Minister of Environment in Western Australia.
As far as I can tell, the Thompsons have approached the feedlot development in a very professional manner, have taken all reasonable ‘best practice’ steps regarding animal welfare, waste management and environmental care. They have done everything reasonable to meet concerns raised and adjust to the changing license conditions regardless of whether they were justified.
What’s happening to them is a business person’s worst nightmare. How much harder must it be when you are trying to raise four young children in your adopted country?

Virveli
September 19, 2010 9:11 am

I researched a bit into this:
From the minutes of the Narrogin Shire Council, where Mrs Thomson sits as a Councillor, May 17, 2007:
http://www.narroginshire.wa.gov.au/council_information/meetings/minutes/2007minutes/17thmay2007minutes/view?searchterm=narrogin%20beef%20producers
“Mr and Mrs Thompson were asked why the feedlot is carrying more than the 6,000 head which is the number identified in the preamble to its current licence. Mr Thompson explained that in August, 2005 the company sought approval from DEC to increase numbers to 10,000 head. He understood that approval would be forthcoming, although it [b]did not appear on the licence[/b] issued at the time. [b]He believed that he had been given verbal approval[/b] by Officers of the Department.” (My emphasis)
I don’t think there’s any legal case to be presented here by the Thompsons.
Mrs Thompson, we’re frank and square here. Who are in the “Thompson Family Foundation” that registered the internet domain of “the Coalition of Agricultural Productivity” that shares your postal address? You seem also to be accepting donations through the Coalition, of which you’re a cofounder, and apparently the sole operator?
From the Minutes:
“If [the feedlot] cannot obtain a licence, the business will not get the necessary accreditation from the organisation that monitors the feedlot industry.”
Do you currently carry such an accreditation? If not, when did that cease?
REPLY: “Who are in the “Thompson Family Foundation” that registered the internet domain of “the Coalition of Agricultural Productivity” that shares your postal address? ”
Ah “Virvelli”, this is typical FUD of anonymous cowards like yourself. Smear other people with their public info from the safe comfort of anonymity yourself. Despicable. But you have proven an important point, that website speaks out about global warming as it relates to agriculture, and the Thompsons had the integrity to put their name on it their words, unlike you. So it’s “ok” for the Environmental Defenders Office of Western Australia to have a website talking about global warming, but not Matt and Janet, and for them to do so, you imply is wrong. Double despicable. They are fighting for their life, doing it in the open, with words, deeds, and education, while you fight from the shadows. How noble.- Anthony

Jim
September 19, 2010 9:23 am

All this discussion about this or that license is an indicator of how big and intrusive the government is. Sometime, and I’m not saying this is the case here, a developer will build a subdivision near a facility or manufacturing plant and then the residents complain and shut down the business. Is this fair? No, it isn’t. With less regulations, the idiot developer or the idiots that bought the houses would have to take responsibility for their actions. I would also point out that even if the man took on more cattle expecting permission to be forthcoming, he could be told to take the number back down to 6,000. Also, it’s the timing of this action that is very suspect. We all know it isn’t about the feedlot, it’s about him not swallowing the global warming BS. I hope the money will allow him to keep up the fight and win. But if not win, at least be a pain in the government’s nether region for a lot longer. Also, the government there shouldn’t be telling people what they can or can’t do with their private property. If they feel they need to cut brush for whatever reason, it is their land and their choice. All this talk about “the commons” is nothing but BS!

Richard Sharpe
September 19, 2010 9:39 am

I wonder if Virveli is one of those organized complainers?

ozspeaksup
September 19, 2010 9:47 am

Lucy Skywalker says:
September 18, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I did send a donation to Oz.
But also, Keith Battye, thanks for that reminder about Zimbabwe.
What I see in places like that is the Chinese coming in, in about 15 years’ time, to rebuild the infrastructure. For their benefit, sure, but because everyone will benefit, and there are no denialists in their way.
——————
Lucy its already happening in a Huge way in Africa and elsewhere,
and the locals do NOT profit, they lose water and land rights employment is not as much as you think its mechanised artificial fertilisers and agri chem. the food and the profit goes to russia china USA and Uae for eg even UK is doing it..
it does NOT help the people of the land, same as IMF loans don’t, all that happens is they have to grow more food to send OS to pay the IMF and their own still starve.
they dont rebuild infrastructure. they get huge incentives like free water dirt cheap land and low wage labour and make Max profit from it. any required infrastructure is provided by the said govts, or not needed as its fly out, on company craft.
try one african area sold the entire fishing rights to a foriegn country, so no one there has the right to free food to supplement their meagre protien intake.
when land bordering a river is blocked off from the local tribesfolk, how do they drink, water their stock, bathe and water their land?
when the artesian bores go dry or saline, the agribiz can leave after milking it for all the profit it can, the people left behind have no options, and no water.

September 19, 2010 10:13 am

Thanks Anthony for this action.
I have made a donation through Paypal and posted a short notice, with redirection to WUWT and Jo Nova, on the french skeptics blog Skyfall,
http://www.skyfall.fr/?p=579 #883
I intent to make a longer translation tonight and to repost it tomorrow at the same place.

Gordon Richmond
September 19, 2010 10:14 am

Donation sent. I hope it helps.

John from CA
September 19, 2010 10:45 am

Alexander Feht says:
September 18, 2010 at 2:43 pm
John, you are looking at this case from the prejudiced point of view. …
Postponing a solution of this problem by citing various qualifications and stipulations just won’t do. We need to stop this nonsense in its tracks here and now.
====
To be fair Alexander, I was simply asking for additional information.
Thanks Janet for the link to the youtube videos and to Jaymez for the explanation related to waste management practices.
If I’m understanding the situation correctly, the Thompsons are the only party abiding by original contracts for the feedlot development and the Dept. of Environment grandfathered restrictions to the contracts that has caused insolvency.
Its therefore logical to assume the parties representing the water and feed contracts as well as other investors will in turn sue Dept. of Environment for damages under any bankruptcy reorganization. Your tax dollars at work again.
I’ll make a donation later today
Seems like there could be a viable alternative — couple of suggestions:
1. Consider co-oping with the other affected farmers and ranchers and offer an IPO under reorganization. The initial common stock offering would create a resource sufficient to mitigate the legal issues and other public corporations are likely to offer extensive support.
2. In the US, a variety 501c3 alternatives for business including a 501c3 for profit exist. Consider a co-op 501c3 for profit (if its available in Australia) where the feedlot price is locked in for the duration of membership. Inflation is going to be a big issue down the road so producers are likely to see the merit of paying more now to pay less later. The feed contracts could be undercut by members who are also in trouble due to the Grandfathered changes.
3. Consider alternatives like contracts with the UN or wildlife organizations for Rehabilitation of Endangered Species stock to offset the additional 9,000 head. You’d probably end up making more with the offset.
4. Consider contacting the Ag and Industrial Design schools in Australia and offer a competition to elevate an awareness of the situation and to possibly deliver new solutions and better gov. policies.
Wishing the Thompson Family the Best,
John from CA

LearDog
September 19, 2010 10:51 am

I hope these donations help – but it seems to me that if the business is run in manner consistent with industry standard practices, approvals can’t be unreasonably withheld when no breach can be demonstrated. Are ALL feedlots in Australia governed by constraints from odor?
This isn’t an Administrative conflict – it needs to be resolved in the Courts. Long passed time to talk to lawyers. Real damages with a cause for action.

Rogue Male
September 19, 2010 10:56 am

Donation sent.

wmar
September 19, 2010 10:56 am

Donated … my first post here at WUWT as well.
Such actions by government are a perversion. In these difficult times, to remove one dynamic family, employer, and upstanding member of the community from the economy, from their basic rights of self-determination, based on technicalities such as this, are how countries signal their collapse, an all-too familiar tale history informs us of, about which we must stand-fast in opposition.
Good luck to this wonderful family – and by extension, to us all who face, or who may face, the ugly presence of an overlarge and involved government such as the founders warned us about in their writings and speeches.
wmar

Enneagram
September 19, 2010 11:03 am

As for other actions of the Greens it will be a good future business the manufacture of CANDLES.

Ike
September 19, 2010 11:13 am

donated 30 bucks. hope that can help a little

Dr T G Watkins
September 19, 2010 11:29 am

As an Aussie/Welsh Brit.,I’m not overly surprised at the behaviour of Aus. politicians and some bureaucrats. Far too many British ideas from the ‘loony’ left were imported to Aus. with a generally negative effect on business and competitiveness.
I’ve followed the story here and on Jo Nova’s blog. I virtually never support charities, RNLI excepted, but I’m happy to donate A$25.to this unfortunate, hardworking family.
Done, direct to Jo.

Vince Causey
September 19, 2010 11:30 am

I dare say that, with the benefit of hindsight, the Thompson’s invoked the wrath of these activists on that fateful day when Matt handed out dvd’s of GW Swindle. At that moment they were perhaps considered to have crossed the line, from business owners to sworn enemies. They then became targets; their weapons of choice – environmental legislation designed to protect local communities.
When these enviromental laws were passed, it may well have been with the best of intentions; to provide a safety valve to protect communities from exposure to unacceptable levels of pollution and nuisance. Most would agree that these are laudable aims. Yet, following the link to the EDO newsletter is quite an eyeopener to see the way that legislation designed to protect the public is being hijacked by activists to pursue their political goals. It is easy for those with that sort of mind, to come up with the methods to do so. If a law stipulates that if a large number of residents are aggrieved by a nuisance and can close down a business by the sum total of their aggregate complaints, then an activist sees not a safety valve, but a weapon to be wielded. We have seen how they have co-opted the like minded, the zealots and the activists, and organised a carousel of complaints, which accumulating month after month, activate the levers of the state apparatus to achieve their ends. The fact that most residents are not aggrieved and have not complained is forgotten completely.
And the Thompsons are not the only victims either. By hijacking the law in this way, these activists have offended against democracy and the spirit in which these laws were framed – the protection of the vulnerable.

John from CA
September 19, 2010 11:37 am

Donation sent.
Note: Just a thought, there are 100 million sheep in Australia. Seems like 10-15k sheep are equal in the feedlot to 6k steers?
Regards,
John from CA

SteveO
September 19, 2010 11:42 am

Small donation made, hope it helps in some way. Good Luck!

September 19, 2010 11:51 am

Andrew P. says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:05 pm
Thanks for this, there is always two sides to a story.

Actually it’s “there are” not “there is” when the subject is plural.

So while I have sympathy for the Thompsons, and recognise that they have undoubtedly been messed around by the bureaucrats in the environmental agency, they started the enterprise in the wrong location. The root of the problem is not the bureaucrats trying to shut down the Thomsons, it is that they granted them a license in the first place. Sadly, the long term solution is for the Thompsons to cut their losses and relocate the business to somewhere more appropriate. So I am with John in CA and Mike Jonas and won’t be donating.

I tend to agree. The stringing them along as they spent all their money is the more egregious offense, however, not the family trying to start a legitimate business.

John Williamson
September 19, 2010 12:21 pm

Contribution made. Good luck to the Thompsons from Scotland.

Steve (Paris)
September 19, 2010 12:28 pm

Donated. Fight the good fight.

Nick
September 19, 2010 12:40 pm

A Little story about the environmental movement here, in Oz,
My Ex-wife wanted to do something diffreent with a career.
Her father was a “Bushy”. He’d moved to the bush as a young man during the depression and learnt to look after himself and his family. Which also meant learning about the environment he was in.
My ex-wife therefore had a connection to the bush.
She’d decided to go back to school to learn land managment.
She subsequently spent the next 6 months drudging through our legaslative and legal system learning environmental law, and did very little land managment eductaion. A coule of field trips in 6 months doesn’t constitute an education.
She’s since given the course away.
My point is… these groups are finding their legal and beuracratic talent through the eductaion system, then fostering that talent in the political and beauracratic system to fight people like the Thompsons.
This is discusting, and very subversive.
Even fighting them, we have years of catching up to do.

Enneagram
September 19, 2010 1:34 pm

The intellectual perpetrators are safe away at at the UN offices in NY

JinOH
September 19, 2010 2:42 pm

I didn’t have much to donate at the time, but I made a donation anyway. I hope everyone can stave off this nightmare for these good people!
You da man, Anthony!
God bless the Thompson family.

September 19, 2010 2:52 pm

Donation sent.
rgds.

Dr. Dave
September 19, 2010 2:55 pm

Just for fun I’ve been following this story around the blogosphere. I’m a little surprised. There is definitely a “snoot” factor at some sites. Now I admit, I look at this story through “American eyes” and I have no real concept of how things work in Australia. There is open contempt for Jo Nova and WUWT expressed at some sites. I’m not talking about the usual slums of RealClimate or ClimateProgress, either. These are sites Anthony links to on WUWT! The common complaint is one of a political agenda. Guess what kids…the AGW is now much more of a political debate than it is a scientific one.
The story of the Thompsons illustrates this perfectly.
REPLY: And these other sites stand idly by, criticizing from the sidelines. How gallant of them. – Anthony

Olaf Koenders
September 19, 2010 3:34 pm

Copied my own post on JoNova’s site:
“Greenies are the sand in the gears of modern civilisation – and they intend to be. I have donated $100 to the family and sent all links, including charts (sniff tests versus complaints) from this story to my local member and various parties for urgent perusal and consideration. A “how dare you!?” including all the above was sent to those responsible for this “environmental” fiasco.
Greenies despise the modern world, however use and live comfortably within it with endless complaint. I suggest all contact their local members and those responsible as I did to ensure the message (and our disgust) is duly noted and, hopefully acted upon in a very favourable manner.”
I still have to pay my own child support for a Son I’m not allowed to see – until I can afford the court costs to right the wrongs. This was so easy to give to, I just had to.

vigilantfish
September 19, 2010 3:59 pm

Donation sent! Thanks for making it so easy to do what is right, Anthony. I sure hope this works. A pox on faceless, bullying bureaucrats!

Terrapod
September 19, 2010 4:20 pm

God bless your entire family and WUWT for bringing this to our attention. Small donation made, may the army of Davids win this one.

chopbox
September 19, 2010 4:36 pm

Donation sent. Best of luck to Matt and Janet.

mbabbitt
September 19, 2010 5:18 pm

I thought I was donated out for this month — until I read about this crime. I hope the Thompsons can keep their farm and that some powerhouse attorneys can help them against the greenie fascists. The world today is just nuts.

Ralph Bullis
September 19, 2010 5:46 pm

Done – contribution made. Thanks Anthony and Jo for the links and info. Jo’s link to Paypal works a treat. Good luck to the Thompsons. And to hell with the Greens!!!

Dave Trimble
September 19, 2010 6:41 pm

I donated last night and have become frustrated with some of the negative posts. For those who haven’t investigated these folks, here are some links on them and their operation along with a link to a satelite view of their place.
http://www.rotary5830.org/Alumni/WhereAreThey/thompson.htm
http://www.narroginbeef.com/index_files/Page3144.htm
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl It should be their property in the bottom left of the map. That’s about 5 kilometers/2.5 miles SSW of town.
Dave

Vic Cooper