Note: There’s a response and analysis to this post here.
NOTE: Predictably, Joe Romm has turned this post into a personal bashing of me over at his Climate Progress blog. For some eye opening viewpoints from his side of the argument, have a look at the 495 comments on his parent blog “Think Progress” here. UPDATE: many of those ugly and violent comments at TP have been “sanitized” since I drew embarrassing attention to them. The word “filthy” in my post below, is pointing to the multiple use of the word to describe humans in the manifesto of the gunman, also published below. I realize that may upset some people, and for that I apologize. However, it is instructive to read the manifesto to see how global warming hype drove this man to do what he did. From this MSNBC story:
Lee said he experienced an ‘‘awakening” when he watched former Vice President Al Gore’s environmental documentary ‘‘An Inconvenient Truth.”
UPDATE: It’s over, from MSNBC:
Police shot a gunman who held three hostages for several hours Wednesday at the Discovery Communications building in Silver Spring, Md., authorities said. They said the hostages were safe and the gunman was in custody. Police said the gunman’s condition was unknown. At least one explosive device went off when he was shot, and other explosive devices could still be in the building in Montgomery County in suburban Washington, D.C., they said.
UPDATE2: MSNBC is now reporting the gunman has been killed.
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Well, you filthy readers, see what happens when we don’t acquiesce? In case you haven’t heard by now, a gunman named James Lee, an Asian man with a years-long vendetta against the Discovery Channel cable network has entered the building and got an armed hostage taking situation going on right now.
Some news coverage here:
Armed Man Believed to Be Environmental Protester Takes Hostages in Discovery Channel Building
Among his demands from the manifesto on his website:
Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!
MSNBC reports:
Lee said he experienced an ‘‘awakening” when he watched former Vice President Al Gore’s environmental documentary ‘‘An Inconvenient Truth.”
Perhaps inspired by Gore, and Dr. James Hansen’s recent call for civil disobedience, we have today’s environmental public relations train wreck turned armed hostage situation.
THE MANIFESTO OF JAMES LEE:
(downloaded before traffic took it down):PDF here at TMZ
The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
1. The Discovery Channel and it’s affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn’s “My Ishmael” pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other’s inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!
2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs’ places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.
3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!
4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn’t, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??
5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)
6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don’t build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!
7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people’s brains until they get it!!
8. Saving the Planet means saving what’s left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You’re the media, you can reach enough people. It’s your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!
9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.
10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!
11. You’re also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.
Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what’s left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.
For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human’s lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!
It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It’s like a couple are having 30 babies even though it’s just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!
Also, war must be halted. Not because it’s morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!
The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.
Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.
The humans? The planet does not need humans.
You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!
I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.
These are the demands and sayings of Lee.
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h/t to the Seattle Weekly blogs and WUWT DocattheAutopsy
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Keith Kloor says:
September 1, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Many of you (but not all I stress), including Anthony, are swimming in some slimy waters on this one. Here’s my take:
http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2010/09/02/demagogue-meet-demagogue/
Keith, thanks for the quick synopsis from the “Progress” side. Anthony did not provide a link, and I try to avoid that site in any event.
Leo Norekens (September 2, 2010 at 1:32 am) quoted Flemish journalist Paul Belien: “The bullets come from the left. Intolerance today (…) has but one synonym: Left”
Quote that to the family of Dr. George Tiller and see what response you get.
To generalize: Many in this thread have claimed this man James Lee was driven to his mad act by “warmist” incitement, especially by statements from
Al Gore and James Hansen. But advocating civil disobedience is far different from advocating violence.
More to the point, how can this discussion of incitement have gotten so far with no mention of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and their ilk?
Keith Kloor says:
September 2, 2010 at 5:44 am
…….The rest of you who see nothing wrong with the headline or the derogatory references to Gore, Hansen, et al are showing impressive powers of rationalization, especially when you point to the liberal comment thread carrying similarly derogatory references to conservatives.
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…But seriously, can you point to specific comments by Gore or Hansen that incite people to violence? What criminality have they called for “in pursuit of their pet cause”?
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These men are professionals, they are in the public eye and therefore have a “higher accountability” for their actions just as a doctor is held to a higher stand than that of a layman. That is the part most people miss. If a singer on stage shouts FIRE into a microphone he is more “accountable ethically” than some smart mouthed teenager in the back row.
So how about this for evidence they were intentionally stirring people up?
“For two decades, scientists and environmental campaigners have been on an ongoing quest for imagery and analogies sufficiently jarring to focus public attention on global warming and motivate a climate-friendly change in how we get and use energy.”
Mr. Naasz wrote:
“The suggestion that coal utilization for electricity generation can be equated with the systematic extermination of European Jewry is both repellant and preposterous”
Dr. Hansen response on this point was:
“There is nothing scientifically invalid about the above paragraph. If this paragraph makes you uncomfortable, well, perhaps it should.”
They even used Stan Greenberg a very talented propagandist for a multi-year campaign on global warming. Republican pollster Frank Luntz says “Stan Greenberg scares the hell out of me. He doesn’t just have a finger on the people’s pulse; he’s got an IV injected into it. He’s the best.”
For criminality you have to look no further than Al Gore, Maurice Strong and the Molten Metal Inc Scam run on the First Earth Day no less.
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/04/us/panel-to-quiz-clinton-s-96-campaign-chief-on-stock-gift.html?sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
Lawsuit:
http://securities.stanford.edu/1008/AxlervMoltenMeta/001.html
House Committee investigation:
http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20040830154236-07181.pdf
It is about time public figures are held accountable for their irresponsible behavior. I do not care who they are or what side of an argument they represent.
Anthony, I really don’t understand why you are choosing to trumpet James Lee as some kind of example of the left. This has far more to do with the mental stability of one individual than any given issue. Lee could have just as easily been “awakened” by something Glenn Beck said.
Taking a stance like this with your blog has the potential to come back and bite you when someone else comes out to take hostages based on fears of the NWO based on the presentations of Chris Monckton.
To use the psychosis of one individual as a platform for your issues puts you on a very shaky stage. My suggestion would be to stick to firmer ground. This would apply both you and Joe Romm.
REPLY: see the main page for the latest post on the issue – Anthony
Rod McLaughlin says:
September 2, 2010 at 7:11 am
Whereas on this site, everyone cherrypicks the global warming references in this madman’s manifesto, the commentators on the other site Think Progress notice he is anti-immigration.
Incorrect. His diatribe against “anchor babies” indicates he is anti ILLEGAL immigrants since legal ones do not have “anchor babies”. They do not need them. They are living here legally.
James Sexton (September 2, 2010 at 6:26 am ) wrote: “Duckster, for today, whether we like it or not, CO2 emissions are proxy for economic growth.”
Sure. So is pollution. It does not follow that more pollution, or more CO2, is desirable.
“Any carbon tax will inhibit growth and initiative.”
Except when it stimulates the initiative to develop less expensive means of generating and delivering clean energy, and fosters the growth of jobs and industries based on them.
“Wealth ‘redistribution’ is a socialist/communist concept.”
How about the recent Republican attempt to end the estate tax? That would have cost the government close to a trillion dollars over ten years, while benefitting only the wealthiest 0.3 percent of Americans. Does that qualify as wealth redistribution? If not, why not?
I do not see anything illogical about what he is saying. It all follows perfectly from basic environmental doctrine of the destruction of the earth calculated in terms of human population and consumption – that is, “sustainability.”
The shock is that it is directed at the actual purveyers of the sustainablility propaganda.
My2Cents (September 2, 2010 at 12:25 am) wrote:
“While this guy obviously had problems, he, unlike the vast majority of the public that buys into AGW and other environmental fads, was both intelligent enough and honest enough to see through to the conclusions and obvious course of action that his beliefs required. Unfortunately he will be dismissed as just a crank and nut job, otherwise the public might be forced to confront the contradictions inherent in their beliefs that only minor adaptations are required to produce the solutions that they have been convinced are necessary.
The public believes that solving AGW is simple and painless, however any rational evaluation of the cuts in emissions that are called for in currently scientific (not political) proposals for solving the anticipated crisis can only be achieved by reducing the current global population by at least 60% in the next decade. But this fact has been carefully hidden from the public in all discussions of AGW and its solutions.”
How could they believe “solving AGW is simple and painless” when even the first-step measures (like the Kyoto Protocol) are derided by so many voices — mostly of the Republican persuasion — as disastrously punitive to the point of “destroying the economy”?
And who has said the solution requires the deaths of three-fifths of the world’s population over the next ten years? Because I’ve been following the AGW controversy for years, and I’d never seen that claim until you made it.
And to hypothesize: Suppose this became widely believed. Might it drive some other unbalanced individual to violence?
Ref – Djozar says:
September 2, 2010 at 8:34 am
No slight intended. The two of you gave me the idea for the thought I expressed. As you say, they’ve been with us a long, long time. Thanks again!
Rob Honeycutt says:
September 2, 2010 at 8:47 am
I really don’t think Anthony is doing any “trumpeting”, but, of course you are correct. One whacko doesn’t make an entire movement. That being said, it is fun to watch the leftistas dance the jig of hypocrisy. I can’t tell you how many times in print I read where Dr. Tiller’s murder was predictable because of the rhetoric of the right-to-life people. Or how OK city is laid at the feet of conservatives. Domestic terrorist I believe was the term thrown around so often. It was all so predictable at the time, with all the right-wing rhetoric and Rush Limbaugh and all. Yet today, Lee, isn’t an ideologue, he isn’t a terrorist, he’s just a whack-job. Same as the guy at Ft. Hood.
To the leftists so quick to blame conservatism for Tiller and OK city,……………… dance puppet boys! Talk yourself into circles. Now you want the rhetoric to be toned down? Shouldn’t you had said something when Hansen was doing his death train gig? Or all the other insipidly vapid statements made disparaging anyone who dared to doubt CO2 as a cause for our certain doom? Dance.
We were warned…..but we didn’t listen.
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/green/articles/2009/02/09/climate_change_takes_a_mental_toll/
There you have it, everything is caused by global warming. If we only ruined our economy.
Interesting to see the very people who created the nonsense of scary predictions as justified by a conception of post normal/modern science, and even when shown to be wrong, can’t admit they were wrong, or even slightly wrong, and continue to project blind zealous faith, now blame everyone else for those consequences. They have filled fragile minds with incredible garbage in the name offlawed science, yet they can’t make the connection when those fragile minds cut loose.
I get concerned when I drop by some of the blogs and see the fruits of their labour wishing that mankind would perish so the world would be better off, and even worse comments like we need a better aids epidemic, as if that is a panacea for all the scary science these guys have invented, cast from their “tell me the answer I want, climate models” or is it crystal ball science.
Time that thinking scientists spoke up and squashed this stupidity before more people are hurt.
Without the Hysteria generated by the likes of Al Gore in promotion of his agenda, and that of the UN, we may have sorted the unknowns of climate science, by way of rational discussion between scientists and, in that orderly and truly scientific process, saved more than enough in terms of money to provide health programs and social improvement throughout the World.
The Romms and their fellow travellers of post modern science, have set this scenario in the way they hyped the minimum then whipped up the scare to the maximum and twisted results to create a climate of fear. They need to take a good hard look at themselves before trying to accuse others.
Lee said he experienced an ‘‘awakening” when he watched former Vice President Al Gore’s environmental documentary ‘‘An Inconvenient Truth.”
“Hey – it’s a planetary emergency, a climate crisis. We have only a few years, or months even. The tipping point is here. This summer’s extremes confirm it. So action has to be taken!
“Nothing is more important than saving … the Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels. The humans? The planet does not need humans.”
As I posted this earlier.
If I read what science Czar Holdren says, Lee seems pretty accurate in tracking the green and warmista agenda.
The sex poodle is such a teaser. Has James Hansen done his press release?
JimF says:
September 1, 2010 at 9:47 pm
“[…]So, how do we measure the rights of future generations? If, for example, Henry Ford had a prophetic dream and saw the carnage of 40,000 deaths per year on the highway because of his development of an affordable car, would he have built it?[…]”
Yes, because that would have been a real improvement over the number of people killed or injured in horse- and oxcart-related accidents; taking number of kilometers travelled and population growth into account. You know, horses have an abysmal safety track record. Also, the number of horse stables in a city like New York together with the need for straw to feed them resulted in frequent fires.
‘First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
– Mahatma Gandhi
“Lee said he experienced an ‘‘awakening” when he watched former Vice President Al Gore’s environmental documentary ‘‘An Inconvenient Truth.”
“Fortunetellers, Soothsayers, Doomsayers, Climate Forecasters, all illegal in Maryland”
http://pathstoknowledge.net/2009/08/28/fortuntellers-soothsayers-doomsayers-climate-forecasters-all-illegal-in-maryland/
So now Al Gore has not just broken the Law of Maryland by Soothsaying Doomsday with his movie but one can rationally argue he’s contributed to the delinquency of a person in a very serious way with that very same movie resulting in the unfortunate incident at the Discovery Channel offices in Maryland.
Our words do matter.
It sure looks to me that Keith Oberman helped him compose the manifesto.
Chris Winter says:
“How could they believe “solving AGW is simple and painless” when even the first-step measures (like the Kyoto Protocol) are derided by so many voices — mostly of the Republican persuasion — as disastrously punitive to the point of “destroying the economy”?
Well Chris, I think you’ve just answered your own question. It is precisely because the public believe that AGW mitigation is being blocked by certain interest groups – Republicans, Big Oil etc – that they perceive it to be no more than a political battle. If this is in doubt, a recent poll suggested an absurdly low level of understanding of what actions individuals need to take to mitigate against climate change. On average, the more ‘green’ the respondent, the more clueless they were; most thought that actions such as changing light bulbs and unplugging appliances from the wall were sufficient.
So, yes, there is a huge disconnect between what the public believe they need to do, and what they would actually have to do to mitigate against CO2 emissions (I won’t say mitigate against climate change because that is a nonsense).
NBC talked to Lee for 10/15 minutes:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38957360#38969518
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38957360#38969528
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38957360#38963183
Where might the whole audio be available?
Ecotretas
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pwl,
And it seems possible that old AG has contributed somewhat to the delinquency of several masseuses too. ; )
John
JimF says:
September 1, 2010 at 9:47 pm
…..Yes, because that would have been a real improvement over the number of people killed or injured in horse- and oxcart-related accidents…
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You are correct.
According to renowned trainer John Lyons, the horse is the most dangerous animal to humans. At the seminar I was at he asked how many had been injured by a horse – everyone raised their hands. He then asked how many knew someone who was killed by a horse – one third to one half of the hands were raised.
These were all horse back riders. When you start talking carriages the possibility for accidents goes up tremendously because a runaway horse with a rider is not nearly as potentially fatal as a runaway horse pulling a carriage and wearing blinders. I have been through both experiences and was injured in the one carriage accident but never injured in the dozens of ridden runaways while retraining a very dumb ex-race horse.
The though of going back to horse and carriage with all the “brain washed bambi lovers” trying to control ill-trained horses in a city setting….. Words fail
“How about the recent Republican attempt to end the estate tax? That would have cost the government close to a trillion dollars over ten years, while benefitting only the wealthiest 0.3 percent of Americans. Does that qualify as wealth redistribution? If not, why not?”
Seriously? This is a question?
It isn’t wealth REdistribution if the original owner of the wealth keeps it, or passes it on to those he names. Since you do see it as REdistribution of wealth to the wealthy, I take it that you believe that the Government actually owns all money and everything, and that by letting the rich keep it then the government is giving them money at the expense of the poor.
This is a very wrong headed way to think about taxes and government.
@Vince Causey:
We could argue over polls until the Sun enters its red giant phase, and still the only light shed on the question would be that of the Sun. Especially when you don’t tell me which poll you refer to.
If the public is misinformed, the obvious thing to to is to set them straight.
You wrote: “So, yes, there is a huge disconnect between what the public believe they need to do, and what they would actually have to do to mitigate against CO2 emissions (I won’t say mitigate against climate change because that is a nonsense).”
So then, you believe CO2 emissions have nothing to do with climate change? I think that’s incorrect.
Chris Winter;
“So then, you believe CO2 emissions have nothing to do with climate change? I think that’s incorrect.”
Maybe. My problem with the concentration on the impact of CO2 is the degree of the said impact and ignoring other contributing factors to the climate. That’s why I get irrated at being called a “denier”; I’m not denying but I am skeptical that all the factors have been evaluated without political, emotional or religious hyperbole.
Chris Winter says:
Yes, we know you do. Isn’t that the basis of the whole disagreement? “WE” think CO2 is plant food and beneficial in almost every way. “YOU” think CO2 is the doom and end of the planet. See the difference?
This thread has actually been great… for identifying the next cadre of comment spammers/polluters…
My favorite so far is the guy who thinks estate taxes are only a concern of “the rich” and that by not stealing that money from families the government is being robbed.