Note: There’s a response and analysis to this post here.
NOTE: Predictably, Joe Romm has turned this post into a personal bashing of me over at his Climate Progress blog. For some eye opening viewpoints from his side of the argument, have a look at the 495 comments on his parent blog “Think Progress” here. UPDATE: many of those ugly and violent comments at TP have been “sanitized” since I drew embarrassing attention to them. The word “filthy” in my post below, is pointing to the multiple use of the word to describe humans in the manifesto of the gunman, also published below. I realize that may upset some people, and for that I apologize. However, it is instructive to read the manifesto to see how global warming hype drove this man to do what he did. From this MSNBC story:
Lee said he experienced an ‘‘awakening” when he watched former Vice President Al Gore’s environmental documentary ‘‘An Inconvenient Truth.”
UPDATE: It’s over, from MSNBC:
Police shot a gunman who held three hostages for several hours Wednesday at the Discovery Communications building in Silver Spring, Md., authorities said. They said the hostages were safe and the gunman was in custody. Police said the gunman’s condition was unknown. At least one explosive device went off when he was shot, and other explosive devices could still be in the building in Montgomery County in suburban Washington, D.C., they said.
UPDATE2: MSNBC is now reporting the gunman has been killed.
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Well, you filthy readers, see what happens when we don’t acquiesce? In case you haven’t heard by now, a gunman named James Lee, an Asian man with a years-long vendetta against the Discovery Channel cable network has entered the building and got an armed hostage taking situation going on right now.
Some news coverage here:
Armed Man Believed to Be Environmental Protester Takes Hostages in Discovery Channel Building
Among his demands from the manifesto on his website:
Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!
MSNBC reports:
Lee said he experienced an ‘‘awakening” when he watched former Vice President Al Gore’s environmental documentary ‘‘An Inconvenient Truth.”
Perhaps inspired by Gore, and Dr. James Hansen’s recent call for civil disobedience, we have today’s environmental public relations train wreck turned armed hostage situation.
THE MANIFESTO OF JAMES LEE:
(downloaded before traffic took it down):PDF here at TMZ
The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
1. The Discovery Channel and it’s affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn’s “My Ishmael” pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other’s inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!
2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs’ places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.
3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!
4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn’t, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??
5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)
6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don’t build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!
7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people’s brains until they get it!!
8. Saving the Planet means saving what’s left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You’re the media, you can reach enough people. It’s your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!
9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.
10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!
11. You’re also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.
Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what’s left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.
For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human’s lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!
It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It’s like a couple are having 30 babies even though it’s just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!
Also, war must be halted. Not because it’s morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!
The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.
Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.
The humans? The planet does not need humans.
You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!
I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.
These are the demands and sayings of Lee.
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h/t to the Seattle Weekly blogs and WUWT DocattheAutopsy
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The Romm(-ulan) credo: “If we just keep saying we believe, over and over then everything will be OK in spite of reality. If reality does get too close we then destroy it.”
John
Keith Kloor,
Or should I say Dr. Keith Kloor, PsyD. Whilst your talents for diagnosing mental illness remotely – and backwards in time – are impressive, might I suggest you examine your own state of mind?
Gore and Hansen have both called for criminality in pursuit of their pet cause.
US science Czar John Holdren’s views on population concur pretty well with the late Mr. Lee’s.
Where exactly is the disconnect in your ability to think?
ABC News is describing him as an “environmental militant”: http://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-enters-discovery-channel-headquarters-employees-evacuated/story?id=11535128
Wonder what the nutjobs at “Think Progress” would have to say about that?
Duckster says:
September 1, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Sorry, I somehow missed your response to me. I’m glad we can agree on many things.
You said, “You need to add one caveat (and this caveat provides a logical – rather than religious – basis for morality). I would rephrase it thusly:”
I rather thought it went without saying. But I’d like to point out, it is the internal(personal) restraint that prevents immoral acts, governments is woefully inadequate in this regard.
You said, “Everyone has a right to physical, intellectual and spiritual freedoms, and the right to act in whatever ways allow them to maximize well-being, provided that these actions do not interfere with the rights of others to do the same (including future generations).”
Well that’s the rub, isn’t it? How do you or anyone else know about what is good for future generations? Many actions of the past by our forefathers would seem counter-intuitive towards the welfare of future generations. For example, the hunting of the N.A. bison. Many would look as this as an egregious act, many still do. I maintain it was a necessary step towards ensure the safety and prosperity of later generations. Of course there are many other examples, I use this as an illustration of how we can’t possibly know what is or isn’t beneficial to future generations.
You said, So you’ll forgive me if I get a little upset when I hear comments such as: Environmentalism? Socialism? – apart from the labels I didn’t know that there was a difference…….. I do think we might need to kick start the process a little, which is why I favor a flat carbon tax which is 100% redistributed back to tax payers through tax credits.
Duckster, for today, whether we like it or not, CO2 emissions are proxy for economic growth. Any carbon tax will inhibit growth and initiative. You didn’t go into detail about the your idea and I’m glad you didn’t. Wealth “redistribution” is a socialist/communist concept. So forgive people if they get confused by equating environmentalism with socialism. The policies enacted for environmental reasons are strikingly similar to socialist concepts.
You said, You do yourselves a disservice by not challenging extremist rhetoric (on either side) on this site. I am not saying it should be suppressed (it shouldn’t be), but just because it is on “your side” doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be called out.
I agree, but again, I’ll point out the difference of the rhetoric. When a skeptics shows how environmental policies parallel socialist/communist goals, that’s called reality and needs to be highlighted. (Such as wealth redistribution, attacks on production(by policies and law), and businesses, ect.) When Hansen makes references to death trains, it is simply a skewed perspective that has no historical context other than the ones previously pointed out. It is in error and seems to be a bit of projection for Mr. Hansen given his obvious anti-capitalist leanings.
FergalR,
Well I have friends who are shrinks, so maybe I’m picking up something from them. But seriously, can you point to specific comments by Gore or Hansen that incite people to violence? What criminality have they called for “in pursuit of their pet cause”?
“have a look at the 495 comments on his parent blog “Think Progress” .
Now that’s just plain creepy. I sort of peeked at about 50 entries and then gave up.
Don’t go there.
How truly repulsive this post is, to use the sad life and untimely death of a mentally ill person in such a nasty way. Shame on you.
Keith Kloor,
So, Keith, you have friends who are “shrinks”, but you’re not one. And your psychiatric compadres have diagnosed James Lee RIP at a distance before consulting with you.
Hansen and Gore have both called for civil disobedience. Civil disobedience is by its nature illegal and criminal.
You’re wrong Mr. Kloor.
People are only human, they’re capable of doing anything. Anything at all. When things like this happen, and it is thrown in our faces, and we are forced to react to it, we rarely say what only time and proper thought and reflection bring us to conclude about the matter; frequently, our first reaction is toward the horor and insanity of it, and this is often expressed from the gut, not the head. When listening to someone speak from the gut, do not think that is everything they have to say, or that they have ‘thought’ much about it.
Whereas on this site, everyone cherrypicks the global warming references in this madman’s manifesto, the commentators on the other site Think Progress notice he is anti-immigration. Using exactly the same ‘logic’, they reach conclusions diametrically opposed to those expressed here.
The First Amendment depends on a rigid separation of ideas and actions – many unscrupulous or naive people try to undermine that separation. One can do a course in ‘Hate Studies’ where seriously academic, but right-wing, ideas are delegitimized.
Well, its “the Discovery Massacre” +1. Global TV, the largest broadcaster in BC, made no mention at all of the incident in the first 30 minutes of their morning “news” show. I am certain their in house behavioral psychologists have deemed that the story as it happened goes contrary to their social programming, and will receive what I now call “the climategate treatment”. Namely; no mention beyond a brief and passing reference to an “incident” with no qualifying commentary whatsoever. This well used method is however, losing its efficacy due to alternative media providing coverage that is not in accord with their (“mainstream” media’s) efforts, resulting in a growing distrust of mainstream media in general. A further and more damaging consequence of using “the climategate method”, is in addition to populations losing faith in their media controllers, large groups are actually coming to conclusions that have not been designed for the maintenance of the current regime at all. In other words; people are determining the meaning of information that has heretofore been carefully structured for maximum control, entirely on their own. With no preconditioning! This is inexorably leading to the continued collapse of the current western governing strategy, regardless of efforts to prop up the power structure.
Please discuss.
RW says:
“How truly repulsive this post is, to use the sad life and untimely death of a mentally ill person in such a nasty way. Shame on you.”
This eco-felon wasn’t “mentally ill,” he was just angry and impotent. So he decided to get even with society for not following his eco-wacko CAGW views by using violence. It is ‘repulsive’ to give this eco-criminal an easy pass by labeling him ‘mentally ill.’
And the real ‘shame’ is harping on the mote in someone else’s eye — while ignoring the beam in one’s own eye: James Hansen has shown by his own example his approval and condoning of breaking the law, and by his threats against honest people conducting legitimate, law-abiding businesses. The alarmist contingent has no concept of shame.
Hmm how about this:
Keith even Joe Romm was able to grasp what that alluded to:
Now take that with with this:
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jun2009/2009-06-23-01.asp
Could a person that is mentally disturb misinterpret that? In the first quote Dr. Hansen alluded to that unless we stop the coal plants the froggies, bunnies, and the Squirrels get the death train treatment. Then combine that to when Dr. Hansen tried to deliver a “List of Demands” to a company: he got arrested. So could a man that is clearly not of sound mind determine that to get his “List of Demands” acted on he needed weapons?
Where you and I being [assumed 🙂 ] of sound mind and able to distinguish the differences involved someone not mentally sound that looks at what Dr. Hansen has said about the urgency of action, about “death trains and seen Dr. Hansen arrested when trying to peacefully stop things from happening might take things to a different level.
Keep this in mind Keith; that the left has a habit of calling those they disagree with of inciting violence, when they have never specifically said anything about advocating violence. The classic example is the “Tea Party”. So if those on the left do not like being tarred with their own brush, maybe they shouldn’t have used it themselves. It also brings to mind the old metaphor about what’s good for the goose, is good for the gander.
There have been zealots for every cause since at least the Maccabee’s, and zealots become martyrs. It really says little about the cause they back or the cause they oppose; it’s just irrational violence.
Remember when music and video games were blamed for the violent acts that people did and it was said they ought to be banned? I’m waiting for calls for Al Gore’s movie to be banned after this violent act.
crickets chirping…
It’s very disappointing to learn that James Lee has died. I was anticipating a trial where his defence attorneys bring in An Inconvenient Truth, and cite pronouncements by Hansen. That is a lot of mud – some of it would surely stick.
From: _Flin_ on September 2, 2010 at 2:10 am
That you can think the planet is not “okay” right now, and may need a few million years to “get better,” says enough. Mankind is at worst an irritant in the biosphere, which is itself just a thin layer of “scum” that grew on top of a considerable mass of rock (solid and molten) that is quite insensitive to anything we do. Whatever mankind has done, good or bad, will be obliterated during the next major glaciation (ice age) as the biosphere is “reset”, except for a few buried remains of no consequence, and there might still be some humans on the planet living an ultra-low-consumption lifestyle as they won’t have a choice otherwise with so many resources rendered unavailable under billions of tonnes of ice.
Given the normal timing of the major glaciations, in less than 100,000 years from now it’ll be like humans, with our mighty civilizations that so many think are wreaking havoc with and may destroy the planet, never existed. Might only be 10,000 years. It will definitely take less time than “a few million years.”
A curious thought just occurred to me. I wonder if I should check on something at the cemetery where we left the former shell my father wore. Included when he bought that lot was “perpetual care”; I wonder what is their “in case of glaciation” plan.
Rod McLaughlin: September 2, 2010 at 7:11 am
Whereas on this site, everyone cherrypicks the global warming references in this madman’s manifesto, the commentators on the other site Think Progress notice he is anti-immigration. Using exactly the same ‘logic’, they reach conclusions diametrically opposed to those expressed here.
His entire *manifesto* is eco-moonbatic Malthusianism. Delving into two-plus pages of spittle-flickings to find his single anti-immigration rant is cherry-picking.
Looks like global warming has affected wildlife like Unibombers, Discoverybombers, and, of course, the squirrels in the MSM.
Ref – Smokey says:
September 2, 2010 at 7:24 am
..”This eco-felon wasn’t “mentally ill,”..”
Ref – Djozar says:
September 2, 2010 at 7:30 am
“There have been zealots for every cause since at least the Maccabee’s, and zealots become martyrs. It really says little about the cause they back or the cause they oppose; it’s just irrational violence.”
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Suicide Bombers are not unique to the Middle East. There are even jihadists who claim to be Christian or Hindu or Shinto or Buddist or Jewish or atheist or ‘x’. Human mental health is a very ill-defined condition. It’s more chemical than most are willing to ever admit and there are more exceptions to the rule than you or I can shake a thousand sticks at. I have no doubt that one day soon some “science” person with a PhD in something is going to find a way, based on a computer model, to identify these whackos before they are allowed to reproduce (or be born), and things won’t be so hot and dangerous anymore;-)
Rod McLaughlin says:
September 2, 2010 at 7:11 am
Whereas on this site, everyone cherrypicks the global warming references in this madman’s manifesto, the commentators on the other site Think Progress notice he is anti-immigration. Using exactly the same ‘logic’, they reach conclusions diametrically opposed to those expressed here.
You misunderstand the idea of cherry picking, which is, out of the many available you pick the one that “proves” your point. I guess you didn’t happen to notice that the immigration thing was only one of 11 “demands”? This doesn’t even include the long enviro-socio Malthusian rant afterwards, which never even mentions immigration.
So, who is the one cherry picking?
Rod McLaughlin says:
September 2, 2010 at 7:11 am
“Whereas on this site, everyone cherrypicks the global warming references in this madman’s manifesto, the commentators on the other site Think Progress notice he is anti-immigration. Using exactly the same ‘logic’, they reach conclusions diametrically opposed to those expressed here.”
Rod, a couple of points of clarification. The “anti-immigration reference was in only one of the 11 demands he made. The demands constituted about half of his “manifesto”. The rest was dedicated to environmental talking points blatherings or simple ramblings. So, with less than 5% of his idiocy dedicated to “Immigration” issues, it would be disingenuous to depict his “manifesto” as the ramblings of a right-wing nut. But, given the content of the majority of his “manifesto” it is perfectly reasonable to depict his “manifesto” as the ramblings of a left-wing nut or an enviro-whack job, because it does indeed contain many of the same demands, albeit not at the point of a gun, that we hear on a daily basis from the left-wing enviro- movement.
Also, I’m a conservative, I know of no one that is “anti-immigration”. Many of us are anti-illegal immigration but that is a large distinction.
Dave Worley says:
September 1, 2010 at 5:03 pm
You get the prize for the first one to report it correctly! 😉
We have Godwin’s law (about Nazis). When is someone going to come up with a law about blaming Bush? He gets more blame and comparisons than the Nazis do.
@Rod McLaughlin
I think this serves to illustrate many of the points attempting to be made here. I find this absolutely astonishing, ——-from another site,
“ellielight
When the earth is under attack, it takes a brave, principled hero to stand up for what is right. James Jay Lee was such a person. His desparation can be traced directly back to George Bush’s violent siege against the environment. I just wish Mr. Lee would have been more patient because Obama and the Democrats are completely on his side and were in the process of fulfilling his mandate. After the elctions, the Democrats WILL pass a set of environmental regulations that will begin reversing the damage cause by the Republicans and right wing money grabbers / planet rapers.”
There’s plenty to comment on, but I’ll just let it soak in for a moment.
Pascvaks says:
I wan’t trying to focus on the middle east; it’s just the earliest records I know of people performing suicidal acts were in that period. I sure it spans all cultures and time periods; I just don’t have the resources to back it up.