NOTE: This has been running two weeks at the top of WUWT, discussion has slowed, so I’m placing it back in regular que. – Anthony
UPDATES:
Statistician William Briggs weighs in here
Eduardo Zorita weighs in here
Anonymous blogger “Deep Climate” weighs in with what he/she calls a “deeply flawed study” here
After a week of being “preoccupied” Real Climate finally breaks radio silence here. It appears to be a prelude to a dismissal with a “wave of the hand”
Supplementary Info now available: All data and code used in this paper are available at the Annals of Applied Statistics supplementary materials website:
http://www.imstat.org/aoas/supplements/default.htm
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Sticky Wicket – phrase, meaning: “A difficult situation”.
Oh, my. There is a new and important study on temperature proxy reconstructions (McShane and Wyner 2010) submitted into the Annals of Applied Statistics and is listed to be published in the next issue. According to Steve McIntyre, this is one of the “top statistical journals”. This paper is a direct and serious rebuttal to the proxy reconstructions of Mann. It seems watertight on the surface, because instead of trying to attack the proxy data quality issues, they assumed the proxy data was accurate for their purpose, then created a bayesian backcast method. Then, using the proxy data, they demonstrate it fails to reproduce the sharp 20th century uptick.
Now, there’s a new look to the familiar “hockey stick”.
Before:

After:

Not only are the results stunning, but the paper is highly readable, written in a sensible style that most laymen can absorb, even if they don’t understand some of the finer points of bayesian and loess filters, or principal components. Not only that, this paper is a confirmation of McIntyre and McKitrick’s work, with a strong nod to Wegman. I highly recommend reading this and distributing this story widely.
Here’s the submitted paper:
(PDF, 2.5 MB. Backup download available here: McShane and Wyner 2010 )
It states in its abstract:
We find that the proxies do not predict temperature significantly better than random series generated independently of temperature. Furthermore, various model specifications that perform similarly at predicting temperature produce extremely different historical backcasts. Finally, the proxies seem unable to forecast the high levels of and sharp run-up in temperature in the 1990s either in-sample or from contiguous holdout blocks, thus casting doubt on their ability to predict such phenomena if in fact they occurred several hundred years ago.
Here are some excerpts from the paper (emphasis in paragraphs mine):
This one shows that M&M hit the mark, because it is independent validation:
In other words, our model performs better when using highly autocorrelated
noise rather than proxies to ”predict” temperature. The real proxies are less predictive than our ”fake” data. While the Lasso generated reconstructions using the proxies are highly statistically significant compared to simple null models, they do not achieve statistical significance against sophisticated null models.
We are not the first to observe this effect. It was shown, in McIntyre
and McKitrick (2005a,c), that random sequences with complex local dependence
structures can predict temperatures. Their approach has been
roundly dismissed in the climate science literature:
To generate ”random” noise series, MM05c apply the full autoregressive structure of the real world proxy series. In this way, they in fact train their stochastic engine with significant (if not dominant) low frequency climate signal rather than purely non-climatic noise and its persistence. [Emphasis in original]
Ammann and Wahl (2007)
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On the power of the proxy data to actually detect climate change:
This is disturbing: if a model cannot predict the occurrence of a sharp run-up in an out-of-sample block which is contiguous with the insample training set, then it seems highly unlikely that it has power to detect such levels or run-ups in the more distant past. It is even more discouraging when one recalls Figure 15: the model cannot capture the sharp run-up even in-sample. In sum, these results suggest that the ninety-three sequences that comprise the 1,000 year old proxy record simply lack power to detect a sharp increase in temperature. See Footnote 12
Footnote 12:
On the other hand, perhaps our model is unable to detect the high level of and sharp run-up in recent temperatures because anthropogenic factors have, for example, caused a regime change in the relation between temperatures and proxies. While this is certainly a consistent line of reasoning, it is also fraught with peril for, once one admits the possibility of regime changes in the instrumental period, it raises the question of whether such changes exist elsewhere over the past 1,000 years. Furthermore, it implies that up to half of the already short instrumental record is corrupted by anthropogenic factors, thus undermining paleoclimatology as a statistical enterprise.
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We plot the in-sample portion of this backcast (1850-1998 AD) in Figure 15. Not surprisingly, the model tracks CRU reasonably well because it is in-sample. However, despite the fact that the backcast is both in-sample and initialized with the high true temperatures from 1999 AD and 2000 AD, it still cannot capture either the high level of or the sharp run-up in temperatures of the 1990s. It is substantially biased low. That the model cannot capture run-up even in-sample does not portend well for its ability
to capture similar levels and run-ups if they exist out-of-sample.
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Conclusion.
Research on multi-proxy temperature reconstructions of the earth’s temperature is now entering its second decade. While the literature is large, there has been very little collaboration with universitylevel, professional statisticians (Wegman et al., 2006; Wegman, 2006). Our paper is an effort to apply some modern statistical methods to these problems. While our results agree with the climate scientists findings in some
respects, our methods of estimating model uncertainty and accuracy are in sharp disagreement.
On the one hand, we conclude unequivocally that the evidence for a ”long-handled” hockey stick (where the shaft of the hockey stick extends to the year 1000 AD) is lacking in the data. The fundamental problem is that there is a limited amount of proxy data which dates back to 1000 AD; what is available is weakly predictive of global annual temperature. Our backcasting methods, which track quite closely the methods applied most recently in Mann (2008) to the same data, are unable to catch the sharp run up in temperatures recorded in the 1990s, even in-sample.
As can be seen in Figure 15, our estimate of the run up in temperature in the 1990s has
a much smaller slope than the actual temperature series. Furthermore, the lower frame of Figure 18 clearly reveals that the proxy model is not at all able to track the high gradient segment. Consequently, the long flat handle of the hockey stick is best understood to be a feature of regression and less a reflection of our knowledge of the truth. Nevertheless, the temperatures of the last few decades have been relatively warm compared to many of the thousand year temperature curves sampled from the posterior distribution of our model.
Our main contribution is our efforts to seriously grapple with the uncertainty involved in paleoclimatological reconstructions. Regression of high dimensional time series is always a complex problem with many traps. In our case, the particular challenges include (i) a short sequence of training data, (ii) more predictors than observations, (iii) a very weak signal, and (iv) response and predictor variables which are both strongly autocorrelated.
The final point is particularly troublesome: since the data is not easily modeled by a simple autoregressive process it follows that the number of truly independent observations (i.e., the effective sample size) may be just too small for accurate reconstruction.
Climate scientists have greatly underestimated the uncertainty of proxy based reconstructions and hence have been overconfident in their models. We have shown that time dependence in the temperature series is sufficiently strong to permit complex sequences of random numbers to forecast out-of-sample reasonably well fairly frequently (see, for example, Figure 9). Furthermore, even proxy based models with approximately the same amount of reconstructive skill (Figures 11,12, and 13), produce strikingly dissimilar historical backcasts: some of these look like hockey sticks but most do not (Figure 14).
Natural climate variability is not well understood and is probably quite large. It is not clear that the proxies currently used to predict temperature are even predictive of it at the scale of several decades let alone over many centuries. Nonetheless, paleoclimatoligical reconstructions constitute only one source of evidence in the AGW debate. Our work stands entirely on the shoulders of those environmental scientists who labored untold years to assemble the vast network of natural proxies. Although we assume the reliability of their data for our purposes here, there still remains a considerable number of outstanding questions that can only be answered with a free and open inquiry and a great deal of replication.
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Commenters on WUWT report that Tamino and Romm are deleting comments even mentioning this paper on their blog comment forum. Their refusal to even acknowledge it tells you it has squarely hit the target, and the fat lady has sung – loudly.
(h/t to WUWT reader “thechuckr”)

Henry Pool
….” But why do you think the cooling is more happening on top and the warming more below? ”
I would not claim to have come to a hard and fast conclusion on the matter but simply looking at the spectra of CO2 these points seem to stick out:
CO2 should mop up any incident IR in bands 2 to 3um and 4.3um from the inward solar radiation above the troposphere.(Net cooling effect)
From the outward Earthshine the CO2 and H2O will remove IR in region 14 to 16um in the troposphere.
How much is due to which molecule is a matter to be settled.(small heating effect)
This results in thermalisation in the case of CO2 and is local and of small magnitude.
There is a much reduced chance of re radiating the 15um because of the low temperature of the atmosphere .
Maxwell Boltzmann statistics predicts 5 emissions for every 100 absorptions at 15um.
So I am in the same position as yourself and looking for further information before taking a settled view in this area.
This is just one of a number of unknowns in the are of climate science.
This thread however is on the statistical underpinning of the “hockey stick” and I do not want to stray too far from central arguments of the thread
Paul_K: August 29, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Instead of trying to overanalyse or fix it, why don’t we all just agree that the whole experiment is completely irrelevant in terms of empirical proof of AGW?
It’s not *completely* irrelevant. It’ll serve quite well as an example of why everyone should know some basic science…
Henry Pool says:
August 30, 2010 at 2:10 am
“……… The radiation (from the sun or from earth) hits on the molecule whereever it is in the way, gets absorbed and is then re-radiated. Because of the random position 50% of this re-radiation is send back in the direction where it came from causing said cooling or warming effect. Is the way from the bottom to the top (for earthshine) not the same as from the top the bottom (for sunshine)?
(I hope this is not a stupid question – but I do need to get some clarity on this)”
Well, see, that’s the problem. Obviously, we’re witnessing a phenomena that is currently unexplained. All of the CO2 molecules are on their bellies! And are only re-radiating heat back towards the earth! All we need to do is flip the little buggers and all will be fine. /sarc off.
Sorry Henry, I just couldn’t resist. You raise a valid discussion topic. I think the alarmists frame the question differently.
Henry Pool said at 2:10 am
The radiation (from the sun or from earth) hits on the molecule whereever it is in the way, gets absorbed and is then re-radiated. Because of the random position 50% of this re-radiation is send back in the direction where it came from causing said cooling or warming effect.
In a two dimensional system (as shown on typical global radiation diagrams) that would be correct. But in the real three dimensional (for this situation) world, re-radiation (actually, kinetic energy transfer) occurs in an infinite number of direction. For practical purposes we could use: 360x360x360 – 46,656,000+ directions. That said, it’s NOT a directional issue. It’s an energy input, retention (timing & amount) and yes, “back radiation” of the right wave length, which in order for the whole system to work (according to the models) is 62.5%. For one study see: http://www.atmo.arizona.edu/students/courselinks/spring04/atmo451b/pdf/RadiationBudget.pdf
Note the possible variances, admitted unknowns, estimates and assumptions. While it is from 1997, not much has been improved because we simply do not know that much more and it is often referenced in other newer and current presentations.
Alan McIntire says:
Latitude: “No climate scientists are trained in computer programing or statistics.”
Bemused: “What an extraordinary claim.”
Alan McIntire: Here’s a link to Mann’s 1998 “Nature” paper….
Alan, so are you seriously saying that you don’t believe there are any climate scientists with training in statistics or computer programming?
Thanks Barry. Just checking if I understand you correctly.
You think that when the sun’s radiation is through a certain portion of the atmosphere (top), it will already have filtered out all or most of the incoming where CO2 absorbs? So you think there is no cooling effect of CO2 on the bottom. But if you look carefully at the sun’s incoming solar radiation graph, the one that shows the difference between the top of the atmosphere and at sea level, and taking the 2um absorption of CO2 as an example, then you would note that the CO2 makes a little dent in the sun’s radiation at 2um. But there is there is still a more of that 2um radiation left from the sun reaching the bottom. So, I think that the CO2 in the air is not enough to block everything. Therefore the actual cooling carries on, from the top to the bottom….?
I have observed this effect when you stand in the sun (here in Africa). If during the day the humidity increases, you can feel that the actual heat on your skin from the sun become less. This is also the reason why it is always a few degrees cooler on the coast compared with a bit more inland.The humidity cools the sun’s radiation.(you may “feel” warmer and more sweaty when the humidity increases, but that has nothing to do with this observation – the thermometer actually can show this apparent biological contradiction, i.e that it becomes cooler, yet you are feeling warmer.)
Sorry Bryan. I got your name confused with Barry.
Henry Pool: August 30, 2010 at 10:45 am
This is also the reason why it is always a few degrees cooler on the coast compared with a bit more inland. The humidity cools the sun’s radiation.
It’s a bit simpler than that, Henry. Land will absorb heat faster than water, and the combination of insolation and conduction warms the air. It rises, and in oceanic coastal areas, cooler air will flow in to replace it. The air itself is cooler, it’s moist(er), and it’s moving, and that combination will definitely make you feel more comfortable.
Problem is, when the temperature of the water is almost as warm as that of the land, you get very warm, very moist air moving inshore, and it can get pretty oppressive. Temperatures in northern Iraq in the summer can hit 54ºC and higher, but the dew point is usually -2ºC, so sweating is effective for evaporative cooling. In the southern tip, temperatures also hit 54º to 57ºC, but the area is marshy, and close to the Persian Gulf. The dew point may be just one or two degrees below the temperature, and you feel like you’re working in a steam bath.
Henry@Bill
I said: “I have observed this effect when you stand in the sun (here in Africa). If during the day the humidity increases, you can feel that the actual heat on your skin from the sun become less”.
I live inland (Pretoria, South Africa). I made an assumption about (noticing) coastal temps. usually being lower related to this. You explained that this might not be the case. I accept that. It does not change my observation that water vapor in the air cools by re-radiating sunshine.
I believe that the primary way CO2 or any other trace ‘greenhouse’ gas can cool the planet is by emitting a photon that escapes to outer space.
It is true that these gases may prevent some solar energy from reaching the surface, but that energy will still heat the upper atmosphere and that heat will eventually need to be re-emitted in the ‘earthshine’ far infrared band. As CO2, H2O, and other ‘greenhouse’ gases are continually colliding with other molecules in the atmosphere, these gases are also continually emitting their characteristic photons as a result of these collisions. The energy from any photon that these gas molecules may absorb is also quickly shared during these collisions.
As CO2 is the best absorber of its own photons, I think CO2 cannot have a net cooling effect until it is high enough so that its outward directed photons have a good chance of escaping to outer space without an encounter with another CO2 molecule.
I believe this happens at the tropopause because that is the altitude where convection stops and radiation remains as the only ticket out. Other than by direct radiation from the surface, or multiple radiation-absorption-radiation cycles, convection is the only other way to quickly remove heat from the surface. It also has the added benefit of inducing the formation of clouds which can reflect solar energy directly back into outer space without causing any additional terrestrial heating.
Henry@Spector
You say:It is true that these gases may prevent some solar energy from reaching the surface, but that energy will still heat the upper atmosphere and that heat will eventually need to be re-emitted in the ‘earthshine’ far infrared band.
That is exactly not what is happening. The paper that confirmed to me that CO2 is (also) cooling the atmosphere by re-radiating sunshine is this one:
http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0004-637X/644/1/551/64090.web.pdf?request-id=76e1a830-4451-4c80-aa58-4728c1d646ec
they measured this radiation as it bounced back to earth from the moon. So the direction of the radiation was:sun-earth-moon-earth. Follow the green line in fig. 6, bottom. Note that it already starts at 1.2 um, then one peak at 1.4 um, then various peaks at 1.6 um and 3 big peaks at 2 um. You can find these peaks back in fig 6 top.
Milwaukee Bob SAYS:
In a two dimensional system (as shown on typical global radiation diagrams) that would be correct. But in the real three dimensional (for this situation) world, re-radiation (actually, kinetic energy transfer) occurs in an infinite number of direction. For practical purposes we could use: 360x360x360 – 46,656,000+ directions. That said, it’s NOT a directional issue. It’s an energy input, retention (timing & amount) and yes, “back radiation” of the right wave length, which in order for the whole system to work (according to the models) is 62.5%. For one study see: http://www.atmo.arizona.edu/students/courselinks/spring04/atmo451b/pdf/RadiationBudget.pdf
Note the possible variances, admitted unknowns, estimates and assumptions. While it is from 1997, not much has been improved because we simply do not know that much more and it is often referenced in other newer and current presentations.
ThanksBob
I will accept the 62.5 % instead of the 50% if you say so.
The study you refer to, fails where Svante Arrhenius and everyone else failed as well/
it does not tell me how much of the reflected solar radiation (107 w/m2) is due to water vapor and how much is due to CO2. Unless I am missing something?
RE: Henry Pool says: (August 31, 2010 at 11:22 am)
“That is exactly not what is happening. The paper that confirmed to me that CO2 is (also) cooling the atmosphere by re-radiating sunshine …”
I will grant that CO2 may re-emit solar excitation photons in the thin air of the upper stratosphere, and above, where the mean time between collisions is longer than the CO2 solar excited state lifetimes. Otherwise, I believe this energy will be used to give an extra hard knock on the next O2, N2, or other molecule encountered. I also will grant that these lifetimes may be proportionally shorter (I do not know) than those of the longer wavelength vibration modes.
Henry@Spector
Surely, you must understand the properties of light.
If the light hits a mirror (because of absorption in the molecule) it is going to be reflected. Watch the sun come up when it is moist outside. There is little or no energy exchange. Light does not stand still. It has to keep moving….
Henry Pool says:
September 2, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Henry@Spector
Surely, you must understand the properties of light.
If the light hits a mirror (because of absorption in the molecule) it is going to be reflected.
There is no ‘mirror’ Henry, the photon is either absorbed by the molecule or not.
Phil. thanks, but can you explain to me how the radiation identified as being from the CO2 can be measured coming back from the moon?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/30/breaking-new-paper-makes-a-hockey-sticky-wicket-of-mann-et-al-99/#comment-471330
unless it was
deflected,
reflected,
re-radiated,
back-radiated,
mirrored (my idea)
or watts ever term you would prefer to use?
Surely it boils down to the same thing? Once filled with photons, the molecule is not transparent anymore. The light is still coming and has to keep moving?
Henry Pool says:
September 2, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Surely it boils down to the same thing? Once filled with photons, the molecule is not transparent anymore. The light is still coming and has to keep moving?
It is this concept that is flawed. You can think of the energy levels of an absorber like CO2 like a ladder. Once the molecule absorbs a photon of the right size the energy goes up a rung. There are then a few possibilities, collisions with other molecules can remove the energy and the molecules energy drops down to the bottom rung (the predominant fate in the lower troposphere). Also the molecule can emit a photon and drop down to the first rung (the predominant fate in the higher stratosphere). Should a photon with the right energy arrive while the molecule is in the first excited state (1st rung) there’s no problem it will just be promoted to the next level (2nd rung). There is no reflection.
Henry @ur momisugly Phil.
The theory that you have does not describe what I see is happening. What is the term that you prefer? ‘”No reflection” does not explain it.
Did you figure out what fig 6 means of the radiation coming back from the moon?
Henry Pool says:
September 7, 2010 at 7:55 am
Henry @ur momisugly Phil.
The theory that you have does not describe what I see is happening. What is the term that you prefer? ‘”No reflection” does not explain it.
Perhaps you should rethink your explanation because your idea about ‘reflection’ is wrong.
Did you figure out what fig 6 means of the radiation coming back from the moon?
Yes, it shows the absorption by gases in the Earth’s atmosphere as the light passes through the atmosphere on its way to space.
Henry@Phil.
What I see is happening, is the same as when I put a mirror up here,
catch the sunlight and send it to the moon, and then measure it coming back from the moon (where it was again mirrorred back from the moon’s surface)
BASICCALLY WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?
I am sure some absorption does take place in the molecule, but what happens when the molecule is filled? It seems to me that it starts acting like a mirror.
It reflects or deflects or re-radiates. BTW “re-radiation” is the term used in the definition of the greenhouse effect.
Henry Pool says:
September 9, 2010 at 12:01 am
Henry@Phil.
What I see is happening, is the same as when I put a mirror up here,
catch the sunlight and send it to the moon, and then measure it coming back from the moon (where it was again mirrorred back from the moon’s surface)
BASICCALLY WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?
I am sure some absorption does take place in the molecule, but what happens when the molecule is filled? It seems to me that it starts acting like a mirror.
It reflects or deflects or re-radiates. BTW “re-radiation” is the term used in the definition of the greenhouse effect.
The molecule doesn’t ‘get filled’, it does not ‘start acting like a mirror’!
Henry@Phil
So let me hear what is your definition of the greenhouse effect?