From the “you don’t know everything about the sun and earth yet so stop telling us the sun doesn’t matter” department and National Science Foundation: Shrinking atmospheric layer linked to low levels of solar radiation
Large changes in the sun’s energy output may drive unexpectedly dramatic fluctuations in Earth’s outer atmosphere.
“This research makes a compelling case for the need to study the coupled sun-Earth system…”

Results of a study published today link a recent, temporary shrinking of a high atmospheric layer with a sharp drop in the sun’s ultraviolet radiation levels.
The research, led by scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Boulder, Colo., and the University of Colorado at Boulder (CU), indicates that the sun’s magnetic cycle, which produces differing numbers of sunspots over an approximately 11-year cycle, may vary more than previously thought.
The results, published this week in the American Geophysical Union journal Geophysical Research Letters, are funded by NASA and by the National Science Foundation (NSF), NCAR’s sponsor.
“This research makes a compelling case for the need to study the coupled sun-Earth system,” says Farzad Kamalabadi, program director in NSF’s Division of Atmospheric and Geospace Sciences, “and to illustrate the importance of solar influences on our terrestrial environment with both fundamental scientific implications and societal consequences.”
The findings may have implications for orbiting satellites, as well as for the International Space Station.
“Our work demonstrates that the solar cycle not only varies on the typical 11-year time scale, but also can vary from one solar minimum to another,” says lead author Stanley Solomon, a scientist at NCAR’s High Altitude Observatory. “All solar minima are not equal.”
The fact that the layer in the upper atmosphere known as the thermosphere is shrunken and dense means that satellites can more easily maintain their orbits.
But it also indicates that space debris and other objects that pose hazards may persist longer in the thermosphere.
“With lower thermospheric density, our satellites will have a longer life in orbit,” says CU professor Thomas Woods, a co-author.
“This is good news for those satellites that are actually operating, but it is also bad because of the thousands of non-operating objects remaining in space that could potentially have collisions with our working satellites.”
The sun’s energy output declined to unusually low levels from 2007 to 2009, a particularly prolonged solar minimum during which there were virtually no sunspots or solar storms.
During that same period of low solar activity, Earth’s thermosphere shrank more than at any time in the 43-year era of space exploration.
The thermosphere, which ranges in altitude from about 55 to more than 300 miles (90 to 500 kilometers), is a rarified layer of gas at the edge of space where the sun’s radiation first makes contact with Earth’s atmosphere.
It typically cools and becomes less dense during low solar activity.
But the magnitude of the density change during the recent solar minimum appeared to be about 30 percent greater than would have been expected by low solar activity.
The study team used computer modeling to analyze two possible factors implicated in the mystery of the shrinking thermosphere.
They simulated both the impacts of solar output and the role of carbon dioxide, a potent greenhouse gas that, according to past estimates, is reducing the density of the outer atmosphere by about 2 percent to 5 percent per decade.
Their work built on several recent studies.
Earlier this year, a team of scientists from the Naval Research Laboratory and George Mason University, measuring changes in satellite drag, estimated that the density of the thermosphere declined in 2007-09 to about 30 percent less than during the previous solar minimum in 1996.
Other studies by scientists at the University of Southern California and CU, using measurements from sub-orbital rocket flights and space-based instruments, have estimated that levels of extreme-ultraviolet radiation-a class of photons with extremely short wavelengths-dropped about 15 percent during the same period.
However, scientists remained uncertain whether the decline in extreme-ultraviolet radiation would be sufficient to have such a dramatic impact on the thermosphere, even when combined with the effects of carbon dioxide.
To answer this question, Solomon and his colleagues turned to an NCAR computer tool, known as the Thermosphere-Ionosphere-Electrodynamics General Circulation Model.
They used the model to simulate how the sun’s output during 1996 and 2008 would affect the temperature and density of the thermosphere.
They also created two simulations of thermospheric conditions in 2008-one with a level that approximated actual carbon dioxide emissions and one with a fixed, lower level.
The results showed the thermosphere cooling in 2008 by 41 kelvins, or K (about 74 degrees Fahrenheit) compared to 1996, with just 2 K attributable to the carbon dioxide increase.
The results also showed the thermosphere’s density decreasing by 31 percent, with just 3 percent attributable to carbon dioxide, and closely approximated the 30 percent reduction in density indicated by measurements of satellite drag.
“It is now clear that the record low temperature and density were primarily caused by unusually low levels of solar radiation at the extreme-ultraviolet level,” Solomon says.
Woods says the research indicates that the sun could be going through a period of relatively low activity, similar to periods in the early 19th and 20th centuries.
This could mean that solar output may remain at a low level for the near future.
“If it is indeed similar to certain patterns in the past, then we expect to have low solar cycles for the next 10 to 30 years,” Woods says.
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I feel sure CO2 is causing the thermosphere to shrink.
Just wait.
30 year cycles tied to the sun?
If I should live to be 80 I will see……
Tim
I’m more interested in the effect of variation of the thermosphere on incident radiation. The thermospher is very diffuse, but it’s also very, very hot, and may function as a sort of analog to the grid in a vacuum tube, very loosely speaking.
This is very interesting. I wonder if this variation of the flux of ‘extreme-ultraviolet’ solar radiation might impact cloud formation or other processes in the atmosphere, either by direct action or indirect effect…
One of my favourite headlines I collected while doing historical research on Toronto-area is for a story about lecture given by an astronomer about the sun. The headline read: “Sun affects Earth’s climate.” I’d always filed it in the “Bloody Obvious” category.
I wonder how long it’s going to take Real Climate to denigrate Dr.’s Solomon and Woods as nothing more then Big Oil shills, for we all know Natural Varibility is nothing compared to Anthropogenic CO2 emmissions. How dare them for even thinking that the Sun can swamp the power of CO2! Off with the heretics heads!
Damn. The point of my previous comment was that the headline came from 1912 or around then.
I also am curious as to what effect, if any, it has on heat transfer overall away from the surface of the earth. A ‘thinner’ blanket (of atmosphere) could mean somewhat slightly quicker cooling from the surface of the earth. Or is there also a change in density that would negate the reduction in ‘thickness’ .
Either way, the statement , ” “This research makes a compelling case for the need to study the coupled sun-Earth system,” needs only the response of , ” . . NO KIDDING . . ! ! ! “
Interesting but poorly worded: –all quotes from the text:
“The fact that the layer in the upper atmosphere known as the thermosphere is shrunken and dense”
“It typically cools and becomes less dense during low solar activity.”
And I am SICK of this one:
“more than previously thought.”
There is more. The point is the writers of this stuff need to read it out loud to others to improve their wordsmithing.
Actually, 2/74’s is 2.71 %… not 3%, for the carbon dioxide
contribution to the thermosphere’s density decreasing by 31 percent.
It appears the earlier studies have been superceded by the bite
of reality the current solar cycle has given the modelers.
This seems to be another one of those “everything you know is
wrong” moments for AGW advocates.
From the “you don’t know everything about the sun and earth yet so stop telling us the sun doesn’t matter” department….
These new departments keep popping up all the time.
The thermosphere is so high up and so thin [a trillionth of the density at sea level] that it has nothing to do with the climate.
SunDevils – 41
CarbonDioxiders – 2
MVP – Jack Eddy
http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/SDO_latestLg.jpg
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 26, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Whew, for a minute there I thought you were going to say that the climate has nothing to do with the thermosphere.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 26, 2010 at 9:14 pm
The thermosphere is so high up and so thin [a trillionth of the density at sea level] that it has nothing to do with the climate.
They’ll find some way to say it’s human emissions.
Can’t wait till they figure out the Sun also radiates in other frequencies all up and down the electromagnetic spectrum.
Isn’t this physics 101 stuff?
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 26, 2010 at 9:14 pm
The thermosphere is so high up and so thin [a trillionth of the density at sea level] that it has nothing to do with the climate.
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REPLY: Leif, I didn’t read any climate implications into this article. However, those can always be drawn by certain type of catastrophists!
The sun has been very quiet, are we still in a minimum? She starts up, blows off energy, and then quiets down again. Rather odd.
Thanks leif
i was going to point out
“The study team used computer modeling to analyze two possible factors implicated in the mystery of the shrinking thermosphere.”
And then say it cant be true because models tell us nothing.
or, we discovered something we didnt know, therefore something we know (ghgs cause warming) cant be true.
“However, scientists remained uncertain whether the decline in extreme-ultraviolet radiation would be sufficient to have such a dramatic impact on the thermosphere, even when combined with the effects of carbon dioxide.
To answer this question, Solomon and his colleagues turned to an NCAR computer tool,”
The conclusions reached by the researchers are tenuous at best since they are based entirely on computer models. The thermosphere has shrunk; that is a scientifically measure observation. In my opinion, the output of their computer models merely suggests a hypothesis as to the cause.
Are Earth solitary climate thinkers a history rhyme of the Earth centric astronomy thinkers?
Of course, Leif is right about the height and thinness of the thermosphere, but….
The thermosphere cools and shrinks when the sun is less active and that has clearly been happening since the late 90s.
However over the same period the stratosphere has ceased cooling and is now warming a little:
http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/sola/5/0/53/_pdf
“The evidence for the cooling trend in the stratosphere may need to be
revisited. This study presents evidence that the stratosphere has been
slightly warming since 1996.”
So it seems that when the sun is less active and the thermosphere is cooling the stratosphere actually begins to accumu;ate energy content.
In contrast, the late 20th century saw a more active sun, an expanding and warming thermosphere but a cooling stratosphere.
Now we have jets shifting equatorward with a cooling troposphere and falling SSTs (only a few patches of still warm ocean surfaces are causing a bit of a lag and combined with the recent El Nino gave a recent short term spike)). Then, we had jets shifting poleward with a warming troposhere and high SSTs.
Explanations invited 🙂
Stephen Wilde says:
August 26, 2010 at 10:27 pm
The thermosphere cools and shrinks when the sun is less active and that has clearly been happening since the late 90s.
However over the same period the stratosphere has ceased cooling and is now warming a little
And the Thermosphere is also warming up as solar activity is on the upswing:
http://www.leif.org/research/Active%20Region%20Count.png
Stephen Wilde says:
August 26, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Explanations invited 🙂
Less distance for escaping IR, less density way up there.
It also means incoming gets in easier, provided there isn’t increased cloudiness to reflect it out.
Oh drat, right back to the darn clouds. Hurry up, Svensmark.
Someone needs to make a parody of this song, “How can we sleep while La Nina is freezing us”?
Levels of solar activity also seem to affect the specific humidity at the tropopause.
http://tallbloke.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/shumidity-ssn96.png
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/interesting-correlation-sunspots-vs-specific-humidity/
This will have an effect on outgoing long wave radiation.
So it’s a reasonable supposition that solar activity levels affect temperature in the stratosphere, which is between the tropopause and the thermosphere.
Do we have a reliable time series of UV levels as opposed to whole spectrum TSI over the satellite record?