From the Fail Blog, a reminder that some people think CO2 is lighter than air:
Source here
This reminds me of the failed Alliance for Climate Protection advert video, also showing CO2 as lighter than air with the help of black balloons:
From the Fail Blog, a reminder that some people think CO2 is lighter than air:
Source here
This reminds me of the failed Alliance for Climate Protection advert video, also showing CO2 as lighter than air with the help of black balloons:
Isn’t CO2 the black/grey stuff coming out of smoke stacks? Every one knows it is coming out and going up.
http://www.alaska-in-pictures.com/forest-fire-1076-pictures.htm
They think CO2 is bad for you, too. I wish I could sell them a CO2 reduction home kit to reduce the carbon-dioxide in their homes and the everyday air they breathe. It would be premeditated murder, but it might be worth it because you don’t get new paradigms by persuading your opponents; rather they die and a new generation grows up with facts.
Even better would be a CO2 control device that would let warmists have CO2-reduced air and skeptics have enriched air. It takes more than 100 times ambient to have any negative effects and a doubling or tripling of this “pollutant” would be very good for you, indeed.
I could laugh, but this really makes one sad; doesn’t it? Hordes of people will find this very convincing.
That qualifies them for a research grant. Climate Science needs all the genius it can get.
According to their sign they use C02 not CO2. Or is that a double fail?
REPLY: probably not enough remaining vinyl “O” letters, been there, done that – Anthony
I would love to see the balloon representing the methane gas people expel, and where they blow it from. Methane is, by the way, lighter than CO2.
Although it’s probably for something else on board the truck, the “Flammable” warning sign makes it even more priceless.
“reduce your impact on climate change” ?? the alarmists might be getting to the bottom of the barrel if they can’t afford good copywriters.
Ray that would have to use brown ballons, right?
Then, again for pedagogic purposes:
CO2 is the transparent gas we all exhale (and Not SUV: That dark is SOOT=Carbon dust) and plants breath with delight, to give us back what they exhale instead= Oxygen we breath in.
CO2 is a TRACE GAS in the atmosphere, it is the 0.038% of it.
There is no such a thing as “greenhouse effect”, “greenhouse gases are gases IN a greenhouse”, where heated gases are trapped and relatively isolated not to lose its heat so rapidly. If greenhouse effect were to be true, as Svante Arrhenius figured it out: CO2 “like the window panes in a greenhouse”, but…the trouble is that those panes would be only 3.8 panes out of 10000, there would be 9996.2 HOLES.
See:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/28018819/Greenhouse-Niels-Bohr
CO2 is a gas essential to life. All carbohydrates are made of it. The sugar you eat, the bread you have eaten in your breakfast this morning, even the jeans you wear (these are made from 100% cotton, a polymer of glucose, made of CO2…you didn´t know it, did you?)
You and I, we are made of CARBON and WATER.
CO2 is heavier than Air, so it can not go up, up and away to cover the earth.
The atmosphere, the air can not hold heat, its volumetric heat capacity, per cubic cemtimeter is 0.00192 joules, while water is 4.186, i.e., 3227 times.
This is the reason why people used hot water bottles to warm their feet and not hot air bottles.
Global Warmers models (a la Hansen) expected a kind of heated CO2 piggy bank to form in the tropical atmosphere, it never happened simply because it can not.
If global warmers were to succeed in achieving their SUPPOSED goal of lowering CO2 level to nothing, life would disappear from the face of the earth.
On ‘tother hand, in a clean-energy hydrogen economy, models project that Hindenberg disasters due to imploding greenhouse gases will occur at the rate of one per week, worse than originally thought.
Wich is the flammable gas? CO2 or helium? Hã?!
Wouldn’t it be amusing to see plants leaping into the air trying to grab hold of the CO2 molecules before they floated away?
Hasn’t anybody ever had a Alka Seltzer and wondered why they cough when they inhale over the cup?
Is public understanding of science this bad.
50 Grams of GHG per balloon. I think that amounts to a bit of fraude. A quick search taught me that 1 l of air weighs 1,3 grams. CO2 is heavier than O2; but still…
It would amount to more than 27 l per balloon, at normal pressure; 10 x 10 x 10 inches.
Whatever, it makes me sad.
OT:
Guardian is running a funny article called:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2010/aug/18/extreme-weather-climate-debate
This small tidbit is particularly funny, at least to my small mind
I totally agree.
re: the placard
#2 and green is non-flammable gas. the photo was cut off.
flammable gas would be red #2.
The black balloons are still floating in adverts on Aus tv with exhortations to switch off your light to save the planet. I have a feeling they are government ads as well – I dont pay much attention, I am too busy throwing stuff at the telly!
Jeez Louise, I see another “there is no such thing as a greenhouse gas” post. Could that person (Enneagram) explain why air measured temperature decreases at a slower rate on humid evenings than dry evenings?
Take your time. Look it up first. Confirm that there is indeed a real difference in cooling rates, entirely, measurably and predictably dependant on humidity. Then explain that using something other than radiant heat absorption (that is the greenhouse effect). Because the equations for radiant heat absorption explain it entirely, accurately, measurably and predictably. This is something that everyone has qualitatively seen, yet many still seem to doubt that there is a greenhouse effect. Baffling.
I also see the “CO2 is a trace gas” fallacy in the same post. If there really is a very small amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, then small changes will result in very significant changes in absorption of EMR. CO2’s effect is relatively small because, from a radiant heat point of view, there is a lot of the stuff in the air.
Sorry for the tone of this post, but as others have pointed out, getting basic science correct is essential in creating sound arguments against CAGW.
JE
50 Grams of GHG per balloon. I think that amounts to a bit of fraude. A quick search taught me that 1 l of air weighs 1,3 grams. CO2 is heavier than O2; but still…
It would amount to more than 27 l per balloon, if filled with CO2 at normal pressure; 10 x 10 x 10 inches. And then they would drop to the floor; let alone if the balloons were made of the seemingly inner tire rubber stuff in the video. One could go bowling.
Whatever, it makes me sad.
The Royal Society has exonerated the video and the helium (CO2) balloon company.
It took three reviews and the intervention of the UEA constabulary, but in the end it turned out that skeptics were responsible.
A couple rebuttals to Enneagram if you will…
“If global warmers were to succeed in achieving their SUPPOSED goal of lowering CO2 level to nothing, life would disappear from the face of the earth.” Yeah…they know that, hence that is NOT their goal. Their goal is to get CO2 down to levels that do not warm the globe. I’m not sure, but I would suspect this would be to levels before the Industrial Revolution. Any scientist who does climate science knows that plants use it, hence why they would encourage the planting of trees and discourage the destruction of the rainforests.
“The atmosphere, the air can not hold heat, its volumetric heat capacity, per cubic cemtimeter is 0.00192 joules, while water is 4.186, i.e., 3227 times.
This is the reason why people used hot water bottles to warm their feet and not hot air bottles.”
Just because it has a low heat capacity doesn’t mean it has NO heat capacity. It can indeed warm up – take for instance the outside air temperature every day.
“There is no such a thing as “greenhouse effect”, “greenhouse gases are gases IN a greenhouse”, ”
Greenhouse EFFECT. Greenhouse gases are those that absorb the IR radiation given off by the earth, but don’t absorb the visible light of the sun. Hence, they allow energy in, but not out. They may not trap ALL of it, but the more molecules of GHGs there are, the less heat is released.
Enneagram says:
August 18, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Of course, nitrogen is lighter than oxygen. Does that mean all the oxygen is at the surface of the Earth and people bring oxygen to Mt Everest because there’s only nitrogen there?
Oh yeah…black balloons are a representation, an analogy, not the physical perfect likeness. I think they were trying to make people connect energy use to adding CO2 to the atmosphere, not give them a full-fledged science lecture.
@ur momisugly Jimmy
Energy use may be, and is as far as I’m aware, a problem. CO2 is not. It’s the stuff that life is built out off, along with sunlight.
So the video is a gross, an infinite exaggeration. It addresses a non-problem in a sickening way.
If energy use is the problem, address energy use in a way that does credit to our level of understanding nature.
From: Lady Life Grows on August 18, 2010 at 1:15 pm
They already have them for homes. The common trade name is “houseplants.” 😉
ABC News (US), recent reporting on the seafood from the Gulf of Mexico. They had on experts, who were saying that they haven’t found any oil in the samples they’ve tested, but the warning was given that long-term exposure to hydrocarbons, even in low doses, can cause cancer. Guess this means that to be safe, I have to stop any intake of vegetable oils.