
From the Hockey Schtick:
The 97% “Consensus” is only 76 Self-Selected Climatologists
The graphic [directly above] comes via our friends at skepticalscience, assuring us that while 97% of “climate scientists think that global warming is ‘significantly’ due to human activity,” a shocking 72% of news coverage does not reflect this “consensus” and similarly 74% of the public are not convinced.
However, close examination of the source of the claimed 97% consensus reveals that it comes from a non-peer reviewed article describing an online poll in which a total of only 79 climate scientists chose to participate. Of the 79 self-selected climate scientists, 76 agreed with the notion of AGW. Thus, we find climate scientists once again using dubious statistical techniques to deceive the public that there is a 97% scientific consensus on man-made global warming; fortunately they clearly aren’t buying it.
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From the EOS article
Results show that overall, 90% of participants answered “risen” to question 1 and 82% answered yes to question 2. In general, as the level of active research and specialization in climate science increases, so does agreement with the two primary questions (Figure 1). In our survey, the most specialized and knowledgeable respondents (with regard to climate change) are those who listed climate science as their area of expertise and whoalso have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewedpapers on the subject of climate change (79 individuals in total). Of these specialists, 96.2% (76 of 79) answered “risen” to question 1 and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2. This is in contrast to results of a recent Gallup poll (see http://www.gallup.com/poll/1615/Environment.aspx) that suggests that only 58% of the general public would answer yes to our question 2.
The two areas of expertise in the survey with the smallest percentage of participants
answering yes to question 2 were economic geology with 47% (48 of 103) and meteorology with 64% (23 of 36).
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Much of the speculation here is off base. You can find the specifics on the “survey” that found 97% of publishing climate scientists favoring the IPCC concensis in the most recent posting on Real Climate. Read it to help clear up the misunderstandings.
BillD,
Any reading of the censorship prone RealClimate will only result in more misunderstandings, not less. There is no more mendacious, pseudo-scientific, self-serving and unpopular climate blog than the odious realclimate.
If it weren’t for Soros and Fenton money, and the money dishonestly misappropriated from taxpayers, RC would have shut down due to lack of interest years ago.
RC is run by Michael Mann and Gavin Schmidt, and the truth is not in them.
RC is run by Michael Mann and Gavin Schmidt, and the truth is not in them.
You are being far too generous. The truth is not even near them.
Their lies are so bad that you can’t even believe the opposite of what they say.
Once upon a time, there was a scientific consensus that the sun revolved around the earth… that the stars made shapes such as birds and crustaceans and told us the history of our world’s creation… that E did not equal MC squared… and that lightning was the wrath of the gods…
Don’t you just love campfire stories ?
Not sure if anyone brought this up.
CNN reported this as scientists from all over the world, and the alarmist bloggers
quote it all the time, in fact most are from the US.
Of our survey participants, 90% were from U.S. institutions
and 6% were from Canadian institutions;
the remaining 4% were from institutions in 21 other nations.
Not really a world class survey
This was posted in response to RC’s gushing endorsement of this “survey” result. Of course it was never published by those eminent and ethical “scientists”.
“Of course if this paper had any relationship to science rather than propaganda, the “97% of the leading researchers we studied” (which curiously morphs to “97% of oncologists” in an included metaphor), would have detailed the total number of “leading researchers” sampled, and the method of selection. But this is RC and we only do post-normal science here.”
There are a number of inaccuracies here:
(1) The survey by Doran & Kendall-Zimmerman IS from a peer-reviewed publication (EOS: http://www.agu.org/pubs/eos-news/supplements/ )
(2) The Anderegg et al (2010) PNAS paper also gives a 97-98% rate of agreement amongst publishing climatologists:
“…we use an extensive dataset of 1,372 climate researchers and their publication and citation data to show that (i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers. ”
So what exactly is so objectionable about the skepticalscience infographic claiming that 97% of scientists working on climate change agree with the IPCC consensus? It seems to be factually well-grounded, since it is based on two recent peer-reviewed publications using different methodologies that nonetheless find convergent evidence.
scientistsRskeptics,
1. Doran and Zimmerman 2009,
Comment on “Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change”
(Eos, Transactions, American Geophysical Union, Volume 90, Number 27, July 2009)
– Roland Granqvist
Further Comment on “Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change”
(Eos, Transactions, American Geophysical Union, Volume 90, Number 27, July 2009)
– John Helsdon
The “97%” is only 75 out of 77 subjectively determined “specialists” or 2.4% of the 3146 who participated in the survey
2. Anderegg, Prall, Harold, Schneider 2010,
Google Scholar at the Academy (National Post, Canada)
This is just more poodle poop.
Poptech,
Again, what’s so objectionable about the Doran & Kendall-Zimmerman survey? I see a lot of complaints about the way the questions were worded, but frankly, I don’t see the issue. In which relevant way is a belief that human activity is a “significant contributing factor” to global warming different from believing that human activity is one of the causes of global warming?
The “97%” is only 75 out of 77 subjectively determined “specialists” or 2.4% of the 3146 who participated in the survey
As for the number 97% coming from a 76 out of 79 (question 1) or 75 out of 77 (question 2), again, what is the relevance? Those 79 individuals are only the ones who indicated that climatology was their main field of work and that more than 50% of their output in the last 5 years was on the topic of climate change. 79 people with those credentials is quite a lot. But crucially, if you take the other categories (with presumably more responders), you still get around 90% of agreement with the IPCC. Are you any happier or any less willing to believe that there is a consensus on this topic with these figures?
It is only when you go to the “Non-publishers, non-climatologists” that you get a below 80% agreement with the IPCC. And still, that is almost 80%. Are you any happier with this figure?
Regarding the issue of self-selection, yes, participants self-selected. The question is, if you think this had a potential to bias the results, WHY didn’t the scientists who disagreed with the IPCC’s conclusions voice their views? In other words, why do you think that the self-selecting bias should go in the direction of the IPCC, and not on the direction of those who disagree with it?
As for the long quote supposed to discredit the Anderegg et al (2010) paper, it is frankly irrelevant. First of all, it picks on the second author of the paper, whose role was doing (but not designing) the research and helping write the paper. Not a substantive criticism. Second, it criticizes the use of Google Scholar as a means of getting scientific citations, by using the example of googling Al Gore vs James Hansen. This is red herring, because it is not what the authors did. They collected the names of scientists based on signatures on consenting or dissenting statements (eg. IPCC, Manhattan declaration). Then, they
“… tallied the number of climate-relevant publications authored or coauthored by each researcher (defined here as expertise) and counted the number of citations for each of the researcher’s four highest-cited papers (defined here as prominence) using Google Scholar. We then imposed an a priori criterion that a researcher must have authored a minimum of 20 climate publications to be considered a climate researcher, thus reducing the database to 908 researchers. Varying this minimum publication cutoff did not materially alter results”
Again, what is so objectionable about this procedure? If you think it biased the results in favor of agreement with the IPCC, can you explain how it did so?
J.Hansford said on August 2, 2010 at 7:07 pm:
You can work wonders with duct tape and superglue.
🙂
It’s cruel to make Dedicated Climatologists think about Schroedinger’s cat, since it is quite painful and near impossible for them to think outside the box.
😉
The Doran objection is clear, 75 scientists is not representative of any consensus.
PNAS reviewers and author’s William R. L. Anderegg, James W. Prall, Jacob Harold and Stephen H. Schneider are apparently Google Scholar illiterate since searching for just the word “climate” with an author’s name will bring results from non-peer-reviewed sources such as books, magazines, newspapers, patents, citations, duplicate listings and all sorts of other erroneous results. There is no “peer-reviewed journal only” search option in Google Scholar. Not to mention using those search techniques will get results from authors with the same name but who are completely different people. For instance even when using the author’s name in quotes or advanced search operators such as “author:”, Google Scholar will still show results from authors with only the same last name. Thus authors with common names will get inflated results. Take for instance using author “Phil Jones” (the infamous former CRU director of climategate fame) with the search word “climate”, you get almost 5000 results!
Cherry Picking:
They cherry picked away skeptics, “we imposed a 20 climate-publications minimum to be considered a climate researcher”. So if a scientist published only 19 or less papers on the climate he is not considered an “expert”. They did this intentionally as they noted “researchers with fewer than 20 climate publications comprise ≈80% the UE group.” Volume of publications does not indicate scientific truth. It cannot be ignored that skeptics extensively publish peer-reviewed papers so they have to use this propaganda to subjectively define “experts”.
Climate Patents:
By default Google Scholar is set to search both “articles and patents” yet no mention of searching only for articles is in the paper. So why were they searching for patents and how is a patent that contains the search word “climate” a relevant “climate publication”?
Verification:
An attempt to reproduce the results using their methods was unsuccessful.
“we collected the number of climate-relevant publications for all 1,372 researchers from Google Scholar (search terms: “author:fi-lastname climate”)”
Using their search terms: “author:fi-lastname climate” I searched Google Scholar for the infamous CRU director Phil Jones,
author:P-Jones climate
Results: 6,580
The first result listed is “Very high resolution interpolated climate surfaces for global land areas” by author Peter G. Jones of the International Center for Tropical Agriculture, Cali, Colombia.
The third result listed is “Organizational climate: A review of theory and research by author Allan P. Jones of the Department of Psychology, University of Houston.
The seventh result listed is “Psychological climate: Dimensions and relationships of individual and aggregated work environment perceptions by author Allan P. Jones of the Department of Psychology, University of Houston.
Clearly these were not papers from Phil Jones of the CRU on climate change.
Looking on Prall’s list of IPCC AR4 Working Group 1 Authors referenced from their Supplemental Information you see Phil Jones listed with 724 climate publications not the 6,580 that I found using their search method. A link is provided under “GS queries” for Phil Jones labeled “CLIM”, clicking on this link brings a surprising revelation, the search term is changed to “author:PD-Jones climate”. When their paper explicitly said “author:fi-lastname climate” and no mention is made of including the middle initial. It appears Prall added the middle initial arbitrarily to the authors on the list further undermining the consistency of their results. Using this search term I again search Google Scholar,
author:PD-Jones climate
Results: 5,370
The fifth result down is “Climate since A. D. 1500”, a 1992 book by Phil Jones not a peer-reviewed paper.
Chapter 13 from the same book is found later in the same results as a separate listing, “13 Climatic variations in the longest instrumental records, thus counting the same book twice.
The book’s introduction is also found later in the same results “Climate since AD 1500: Introduction”, now counting the same book three times but it gets worse,
Citations for this book are counted over 20 times in Google Scholar, further inflating the results. No mention of turning off citations is mentioned in their paper as this feature is on by default in Google Scholar and in the “CLIM” link from Prall’s page.
The climate total number of 724 for Phil Jones on Prall’s list is unverifiable using the methods outlined in their paper and appears to be made up.
It is clear they counted the total number of climate publications because this is explicitly stated in their paper,
“We ranked researchers based on the total number of climate publications authored.”
However no verification of these results was done by the authors as is mentioned in their paper,
“We verified, however, author identity for the four top-cited papers by each author.”
It appears they only verified the top four results for their “citation analysis” not for the total amount of results using the search word “climate” for each of the 1372 authors.
Conclusion: the study is worthless due to Google Scholar illiteracy and Cherry Picking.
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Poptech, there is no need to elaborate so thoroughly to counter scientistsRskeptics long narratives. Simply point out that he completely neglects the fact that the opinions of climatologists about AGW gleaned from the survey DO NOT reflect the IPCC consensus (or direct him to my initial comment and those of othrers where he can compare the two). You should have just stopped him when he said this:
“So what exactly is so objectionable about the skepticalscience infographic claiming that 97% of scientists working on climate change agree with the IPCC consensus?”
We’ll do this again. Here is question number 2 from the survey from which the 97% figure is derived:
“2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”
Here is the IPCC AR4 consensus:
“Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”
Doesn’t that simple comparison seal the deal and expose the vacuousness of the sRs argument? The answer to the sRs question as to “what is so objectionable” about the claims emanating from this survey is pretty simple and straightforward: IT”S A BLEEPING LIE!
Those two statements are not remotely the same thing and to claim that they are, something sRs nonchalantly and repeatedly does, nakedly exposes his biases. Connecting the two versions as one is quite “objectionable” thank you very much.
As I said in my post above, my alternate question below would have been more in line with the IPCC consensus (and it still admittedly falls short):
“2. Do you think human activity is THE MOST significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”
One can see why it’s so easy to make the pro-AGW crowd believe “unequivocally” that “it must be CO2.” This particular survey mini-saga reflects the larger debate, where many well-meaning people (and some very sinister wolves mixed in) needed to “save the world” because they swallowed the AGW hook deep and it got a good hold of them. Unfortunately the hook held poisoned political propagandist bait, but I digress. The bottom line is it’ll be hard to set them free of AGW’s grip without gutting them. Once you have this stuff down in your core, it’s hard to let go. I am still optimistic that reality prevails and it does look like the worm has finally turned. But let’s keep steering it right (as in correctly) cuz we have a ways to go. I don’t plan on stopping anytime soon.
See, Poptech, it’s that easy. So next time simply tell sRs, “Nice try but that’s a lie.” Keep it short and sweet like…um, I did. Carry on.
Poptech, there is no need to elaborate so thoroughly to counter scientistsRskeptics long narratives. Simply point out that he completely neglects the fact that the opinions of climatologists about AGW gleaned from the survey DO NOT reflect the IPCC consensus (or direct him to my initial comment and those of othrers where he can compare the two). You should have just stopped him when he said this:
“So what exactly is so objectionable about the skepticalscience infographic claiming that 97% of scientists working on climate change agree with the IPCC consensus?”
We’ll do this again. Here is question number 2 from the survey from which the 97% figure is derived:
“2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”
Here is the IPCC AR4 consensus:
“Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”
Doesn’t that simple comparison seal the deal and expose the vacuousness of the sRs argument? The answer to the sRs question as to “what is so objectionable” about the claims emanating from this survey is pretty simple and straightforward: IT”S A LIE!
Those two statements are not remotely the same thing and to claim that they are, something sRs nonchalantly and repeatedly does, nakedly exposes his biases. Connecting the two versions as one is quite “objectionable” thank you very much.
As I said in my post above, my alternate question below would have been more in line with the IPCC consensus (and it still admittedly falls short):
“2. Do you think human activity is THE MOST significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”
One can see why it’s so easy to make the pro-AGW crowd believe “unequivocally” that “it must be CO2.” This particular survey mini-saga reflects the larger debate, where many well-meaning people (and some very sinister wolves mixed in) needed to “save the world” because they swallowed the AGW hook deep and it got a good hold of them. Unfortunately the hook held poisoned political propagandist bait, but I digress. The bottom line is it’ll be hard to set them free of AGW’s grip without gutting them. Once you have this stuff down in your core, it’s hard to let go. I am still optimistic that reality prevails and it does look like the worm has finally turned. But let’s keep steering it right (as in correctly) cuz we have a ways to go. I don’t plan on stopping anytime soon.
See, Poptech, it’s that easy. So next time simply tell sRs, “Nice try but that’s a lie.” Keep it short and sweet like…um, I did. Carry on.
galileonardo, I did a complete write up of this worthless paper,
Google Scholar illiteracy in the PNAS
A press release in form of a magazine was made on the 18/08/2010
This magazine was released with information to end the Global warming
A copy to it have been sent to the Email of your Webmaster(webmaster@stateclimate.org). Thanks.