Climate bill DOA for this session, focus now on oil spill

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Reid set to put off climate bill

By: Darren Samuelsohn and Coral Davenport

July 22, 2010 01:01 PM EDT

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid appears set to punt on a controversial climate proposal while moving to the floor next week with a more limited bipartisan bill that responds to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill and contains other more popular energy items, according to aides and senators.

The Nevada Democrat’s decision, expected to be made public Thursday after an afternoon luncheon with the entire 59-member Democratic caucus, comes in the face of a dwindling calendar ahead of the August recess and the recognition that he is not close to the 60 votes needed on any bill that caps greenhouse gas emissions.

“We don’t have the 60 votes,” said Environment and Public Works Committee Chairwoman Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.). “So Sen. Reid’s a pragmatist”.

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Andrew30
July 23, 2010 7:51 am

What , exactly , are “more popular energy items” ?
Electrons and Photons.
Tax Everything!!

Andrew
July 23, 2010 9:44 am

[snip – we don’t want to turn this forum into an issue about this, sorry. No further discussion on this issue please. Sorry, nothing personal, we have to draw the line somewhere ~mod]
I didn’t introduce this issue into this thread. Maybe you should snip the initial violation as well, and be a little more consistent about moderation policy. Just an idea.
Andrew

Alba
July 23, 2010 1:34 pm

1. Andrew says:
July 23, 2010 at 9:44 am
[snip – we don’t want to turn this forum into an issue about this, sorry. No further discussion on this issue please. Sorry, nothing personal, we have to draw the line somewhere ~mod]
I didn’t introduce this issue into this thread. Maybe you should snip the initial violation as well, and be a little more consistent about moderation policy. Just an idea.
Andrew
I totally agree with Andrew. It seems that the initial contributors to WUWT have carte blanche to make any outlandish statements they want about moral or religious issues but commenters have very limited rights to reply. If commenters cannot comment on ANY part of the contributions to WUWT then either the initial contribution should be rejected or any part of it referring to moral or religious (rather than scientific) issues should be deleted.

John from CA
July 23, 2010 2:18 pm

MattN says:
July 22, 2010 at 11:53 am
Don’t break out the champagne yet. There will be a lame-duck session after the election. The Dems that get voted out might vote fot it and pass it just to spite the next congress….
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Got that right, Kerry just announced the intent.
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/110541-kerry-eyes-lame-duck-for-climate-fight

Editor
July 23, 2010 2:22 pm

I fully expect them to vote on a watered down bill that is meant to deal with the oil spill and energy conservation rebates, but at the last minute they are going to amend it with the entirety of the cap and tax bill.

Kate
July 24, 2010 12:22 am

Alexander K: at 7:30am
I agree. These senators are looking for a big enough reason to destroy BP and give its assets to their billionaire friends in Exxon for next to nothing. If thousands of British and American pensioners and other investors get shafted in the process, it’s just too bad.

Andrew
July 24, 2010 6:14 am

Thank you, Alba.
Andrew

E.M.Smith
Editor
July 24, 2010 9:11 am

@Gail Combs:
“I have had my diesel Pkup for 18 years and my livestock trailer is close to 25 years old and I have no intention of getting rid of either. Fighting rust is my biggest problem.”
Young ‘uns I see… I’ve got a 30 year old Diesel Mercedes that is doing just fine… Though the paint is oxidized and it needs a rub / polish. (No rust). Yeah, made to last and not disposed every 5 years. Saves a LOT on energy and resource waste.
And I’m never going to sell it, either. It’s only got 150,000 miles on it. My spouses Diesel Mercedes Wagon is over 320,000 miles and still doing fine. These old iron block Diesels regularly go to near 500,000 miles and about a dozen were shown as over 1,000,000 miles when Mercedes went looking for high mileage cars for a commercial about a decade ago. (IMHO, there would have been more, but as the cars had ‘only’ been made for about 50 years that required more than 20,000 miles per year average and few folks do that for 50 years… )
Now consider that most farm tractors are of similar iron block sturdy design.
Yeah, just keep the paint up and the rust down.
Oh, and you can run vegetable on in them too (with a little help in cold climates via heating) so no problem with finding fuel even if Diesel Oil is legislated to oblivion.
Per congress:
I find myself hoping that we enter a New Little Ice Age and fast, with a few hundred thousands dying in the cold, as it is the only way I can see to avoid the millions who will die under the de-industrialization of the world desired by the warmistas.
It has, as noted by others, been widely demonstrated that this congress has no interest in the will of the people. They have The Agenda, and it drives all.
We no longer have a Republic. Nor even a Democracy. We have a Deceptocracy electing folks via deceptive campaigns to a congress that names bills for the purpose of deception and has committee rules that lets the committee put into ‘conference bills’ ANYTHING, even if in neither original bill all funded by commercial money in the lobby. The Public need not apply for admission to the halls of power…
This either gets fixed, or it all collapses in a terrible way. We’ve seen this before in history, and it is not a stable system. Once deception and expedience are accepted as the social norms, then the social order breaks down and the system halts. For Direct Democracies, this is typically about 50 years; and we’ve been at it for a while already.
Two examples: I decided to close a business that, at it’s peak, employed a dozen folks rather than continue to shovel the administrative poo the government demanded. Later, when asked for council by a young friend, I advised that it would be a bad idea to enter the military as these folks principles were not worth dying to protect. Continue those trends for a few years, some larger geography, and more widespread in the society, and you end up defenseless and going out of business.
And that is how these things end. You reach a point where the general public just sees no reason to participate in the work needed to keep the system together; and instead just join the side mining the pyramids for marble to make a hut…
So I”m certain that even if NO “Cap’N-Tax” bill is passed by either house, it will be inserted “in conference” during the Lame Duck session at least. And when that happens, you can do NOTHING to stop it. And the Dim Dems have shown they don’t care while the Toothless Repubs have shown they will do nothing if they can get a bit of second hand glory; some by signing on and other by tossing rocks at it.
And in the end, it will just be one more step on the path to destruction of the country to the greater glory of China.
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/china-makes-western-co2-control-pointless/

R. de Haan
July 24, 2010 11:25 am
CRS, Dr.P.H.
July 25, 2010 12:22 pm

Tip o’ the hat to the Mods, for keeping this forum focused on energy and the related politics! We don’t need no stinking [snip] on WUWT!