Climate bill DOA for this session, focus now on oil spill

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Reid set to put off climate bill

By: Darren Samuelsohn and Coral Davenport

July 22, 2010 01:01 PM EDT

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid appears set to punt on a controversial climate proposal while moving to the floor next week with a more limited bipartisan bill that responds to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill and contains other more popular energy items, according to aides and senators.

The Nevada Democrat’s decision, expected to be made public Thursday after an afternoon luncheon with the entire 59-member Democratic caucus, comes in the face of a dwindling calendar ahead of the August recess and the recognition that he is not close to the 60 votes needed on any bill that caps greenhouse gas emissions.

“We don’t have the 60 votes,” said Environment and Public Works Committee Chairwoman Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.). “So Sen. Reid’s a pragmatist”.

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85 thoughts on “Climate bill DOA for this session, focus now on oil spill

  1. I would be just as vigilant about the oil spill bill. The fox is defending the chicken house. Liberal attempts at chipping away towards a cap and trade society is much like the conservative’s attempt at chipping away towards a criminalizing a woman’s reproductive rights. It’s a slippery slope and should not be tolerated in any form. A wolf in sheep’s clothing is still a wolf though he only has a sheep’s tail attached.

  2. We need another distraction to belay even the limited version. It’s just a half-step but it moves in the wrong direction. Congress has already shown, for several decades, they haven’t a clue when it comes to energy. If the U.S. had any sense, we’d pass a constitutional amendment forbidding congress to address the energy needs of this nation forever. Through the countless times congress addressed our energy needs in one form or another, I can’t recall once where they got it right.

  3. What , exactly , are “more popular energy items” ? This sounds rather vague which , of course , is to be expected from the crowd in DC .

  4. The only thing I want to see out of Congress for several years to come are bills to repeal bad laws.
    No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. Judge Gideon J. Tucker

  5. “Rather than a long-awaited measure capping greenhouse gases – or even a more limited bill directed only at electric utilities – Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will move forward next week on a bipartisan energy-only bill that responds to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill and contains other more popular energy items.
    … Translation: ”We’re just going to ‘sneak’ them into the bill. ”

  6. Never let a mismanaged oil spill crisis bill go to waste.
    The cap is on the well, but don’t think that they won’t try to sneak in ‘extra’ caps on other sources of energy.
    As Bobby Jindal debates the rock-fill barriers to stop the oil from coming in during storms vs the ‘concerned’ fish & game officials & scientists who worry about damage, a storm is forecast to shut down oil cleanup and put the oil booms on the shelf.
    Translation: How to drag feet and extend the crisis/damage with the left hand while the right hand hammers away at draconian measure legislation.
    Yeah, you read them right, Pam.

  7. There’s a ton of money to be expropriated by monetizing the air, aka “cap and trade.”
    Once Earth’s atmosphere has been fully monetized, and made fungible through “carbon credits” (a fiat currency derived from governmental “ownership” of the Earth’s atmosphere), all of the insiders, manipulators, lobbyists, and other parasites will pocket their billion$ through the skimming mechanisms now in place (e.g., Chicago Climate Exchange, European Climate Exchange).
    There’s too much money to be made from monetizing the air, and too many politicians and manipulators anxious to pocket whatever can be stolen from the naive dummycrat. So – nevermind the science – “cap and trade” is coming, by hook or by crook. Or both.

  8. Don’t break out the champagne yet. There will be a lame-duck session after the election. The Dems that get voted out might vote fot it and pass it just to spite the next congress….

  9. But, but, but, but, but, but… isn’t that going to make it difficult to carve out a legally binding agreement for all countries in Mexico later this year?

  10. crosspatch says:
    July 22, 2010 at 11:56 am
    Beware the lame duck session.

    Jurrasic Park IV, in the Halls of Congress lurk Velociducktors.

  11. Pamela is correct. Inhofe has already warned they intend to get “something/anything” passed with ENERGY in the heading, then go into conference, and merge it with Crap n Tax from the house, slamming the CO2 economy kill into the final version. Word is out, and this is likely why Lindsay Graham pulled out of this bill, but you’ve still got weak spots like Brown and Snowe who don’t understand who they’re dealing with.

  12. P Walker says:
    July 22, 2010 at 11:31 am
    “What , exactly , are “more popular energy items” ? This sounds rather vague which , of course , is to be expected from the crowd in DC .”
    Well, yes, vague for two reasons, 1. no details reveals means no one can pin anyone down and hold them accountable. 2. As revealed during the health-care debate, our senators and representatives don’t typically read the finalized bills they are voting on, so, they don’t know anything other than vague ideas communicated to them about what is in the bills.
    BTW, “more popular energy items”, in this case, means they’ll divide and conquer as opposed to one lump sum. From the story …Instead, it has low-hanging-fruit provisions dealing with the oil spill, “Home Star” energy efficiency upgrades, incentives for the conversion of trucking fleet to natural gas and the Land and Water Conservation Fund……… and then later in the same story, …”Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), Kerry’s partner on the climate proposal, said he had no problem with Reid delaying debate on greenhouse gas caps. “If that’s the truth, it keeps the process open for negotiating a broader utilities-only bill in September,” he said.”
    On a personal note, every time I see the words “Water Conservation”, I lose a little more faith in humanity, both in humanity’s ability to reason, and humanity’s never ending quest for power over other members of humanity.

  13. otwome says:
    July 22, 2010 at 11:42 am
    “Rather than a long-awaited measure capping greenhouse gases – or even a more limited bill directed only at electric utilities – Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will move forward next week on a bipartisan energy-only bill that responds to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill and contains other more popular energy items.
    … Translation: ”We’re just going to ‘sneak’ them into the bill. ”
    ________________________________________________________________
    All you have to do is look at history: (democrats were the Trojan Horse that time too)
    “…then at the insistence of Paul Warburg who was forever the master strategist, they added several very sound provisions to the Federal Reserve Bill. By that I mean they added some provisions which seriously restricted the ability of the Federal Reserve to create money out of nothing. Warburg’s associates said, “Paul, what are you doing? We don’t want those in there this is our bill.” And his response was this, he said, “Relax fellas, don’t you get it? Our object is to get the bill passed. We can fix it up later.” Those were his exact words. “We can fix it up later.” He was so right. It was because of those provisions that they won over the support of William Jennings Bryan the head of the Populist Movement, the last hold-out against the bill. Bryan was concerned that this would be an instrument for ruining the nation’s money supply but when he saw those provisions he said, “Oh well, those are good provisions, I guess I can support the bill now” never dreaming that this was temporary. Everything is temporary in politics. When people go to sleep things can get changed.
    Warburg was right and they fixed it up later. The Federal Reserve Act since it was passed has been amended over 100 times. Every one of those provisions were long ago removed and many more have been added which greatly expand the power and reach of the Federal Reserve System to create money out of nothing. With this kind of professional strategy and deception these people were real professionals and the public didn’t stand a chance….”
    http://www.bigeye.com/griffin.htm
    THAT is the type of strategy we as voters must be aware of. Never let them get a foot in the door or you are lost.

  14. Sorry chaps but it needs to start getting cooler fast!!! The more prolonged then the less likely we will see legislation as people respond angrily to any idea that they should pay more to keep warm while preventing the world from ‘over-heating’ in a cooling world. :o)
    So far the signs point to cooling. We will have to wait and see.

  15. There are 5 unelected Senators currently in the Senate. If I recall properly, at least 3 of them aren’t planning on running to stay in the Senate, so for them, their entire Senate careers will be lame duck.
    They have certainly been voting that way.

  16. How about making these popular energy items?
    http://www.idlefreesystems.com/
    Please, how about insulating the roof, walls and floor of the vehicles. They insulate the food to keep it fresh when its brought to ya. The hell with the poor slave that brought it to you, let ’em roast and freeze.? But by God lock ’em up if they idle, and we better not see no damn smoke! Even if it bankrupts everybody…

  17. If this “innocuous” bill passes, then there won’t have to be another bill during the lame duck session. They just need to go into conference with the already passed Waxman-Markey bill. The resulting “compromise” can include whatever cap and trade provisions desired.
    I see this as pure politics. Opponents of cap and trade will have a difficult time opposing a bill that looks as if it only has benign provisions, with the embedded hook only appearing after the election. If they vote against, then they’ll be castigated for being against the benign provisions and have the difficult defense of arguing about what the dems might do.

  18. If they can manage to slip THIS into the heath care destruction bill, one can bet they will try and get cap and tax in to something somewhere.

  19. WASHINGTON — Some 750 boats drafted in to scoop up oil from the Gulf of Mexico are having “trouble” finding any crude in the sea, a top US official said Wednesday, almost a week after a busted well was capped.
    “We are starting to have trouble finding oil,” US pointman Admiral Thad Allen, who is in charge of handling the government’s response, told reporters.
    The boats, which have been drafted in to skim oil off the surface of the Gulf, are “really having to search for the oil in some cases” around the area of the capped well, he added.

  20. “So Sen. Reid’s a pragmatist”. As is Nancy Pelosi, Barackwards Obama, Rham-It-Through Emanuel, and the rest of their pack. They will not give up. They only change tactics.
    Do NOT be gulled into thinking this is final victory or that they are giving up. It will morph into EPA regulations that cannot be altered or some similar subterfuge, until a new administration can clean the EPA house .
    We must keep increasing the pressure and distribution of facts that refute man made global warming and so thoroughly educate the younger generations of this that they are inoculated from any recurrence of this particular disease. Like deploying the Jonas Salk vaccine, the disease cannot be eradicated until all of the younger generations have been successfully treated.
    Simultaneously, we must continue building the political pressure on their political supporters, at all government levels: local, state, and federal. They can be given no respite and no mercy, until each head of the AGW hydra has been successfully nullified.

  21. Gail Combs says:
    July 22, 2010 at 12:06 pm:
    “THAT is the type of strategy we as voters must be aware of. Never let them get a foot in the door or you are lost.”
    …I agree totally, I think the worm has turned.

  22. Gail Combs said: “create money out of nothing…. the public didn’t stand a chance.”
    Monetizing the air aka “cap and trade” is a prima facie example of “creating money out of nothing.”
    And there’s a lot of air – sorry, “carbon” – to be bought and sold.

  23. New Pew Center report regarding GHG legislation impact on agriculture. This is very disturbing and may be one reason why Reid and company has backed off. Apparently they have major buyers of products (Walmart, etc. ) in the bag, as well as EPA, etc. and those buyers are doing the same thing legislation would do, except they are doing it by contract and competitive pressure.
    http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/us-agriculture-climate-change-legislation-markets-myths-opportunities.pdf
    U.S. Agriculture & Climate Change Legislation:
    Markets, Myths & Opportunities
    By
    Jessica Shipley, Sara Hessenflow-Harper, and Laura Sands
    July 20, 2010

    Quote:
    Farmers and ranchers will
    need to assess, measure,
    report and likely reduce
    GHG emissions in order to
    compete in an already
    competitive market
    regardless of whether or
    when a climate and energy
    bill passes.

  24. Ed Murphy says:
    July 22, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    How about making these popular energy items?
    http://www.idlefreesystems.com/
    Please, how about insulating the roof, walls and floor of the vehicles. They insulate the food to keep it fresh when its brought to ya. The hell with the poor slave that brought it to you, let ‘em roast and freeze.? But by God lock ‘em up if they idle, and we better not see no damn smoke! Even if it bankrupts everybody…
    _________________________________________________________________
    Never mind trying to start a COLD Engine after the required 8 hours at -35F. By the way they now want to apply the DOT standards to farm tractors!!!!!!
    How about making vehicles to last if you want to “go green” Paint the blasted things with decent paint so they do not rust out. It can be done for very little extra cost. I have had my diesel Pkup for 18 years and my livestock trailer is close to 25 years old and I have no intention of getting rid of either. Fighting rust is my biggest problem.

  25. James Sexton – Thanks , but it was mostly a rhetorical question . I have been watching this travesty unfold far too long to harbor any doubts about the intent of our current congress – perhaps I should have said hopes . Trojan Horse , foot in the door , whatever , this bill needs killing .

  26. Hallelujah. After the November elections they won’t have as much chance as a frog at a snake symposium of passing it either.

  27. Lies and more lies
    I can’t see the bill. Why is Reid not honest enough to be quite and not say a thing before there is a real bill to read?
    When I see the bill, who can tell me specifically how the climate will change and how much. The only thing i suspect will become clear is how much it will cost me.

  28. Reconciliation will not be available to the lame-duck session, because they didn’t pass a budget for FY 2011, FY 2010 ends in October, and the rules for reconciliation are set forth in the budget.

  29. Mac the Knife says:
    July 22, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    ….Do NOT be gulled into thinking this is final victory or that they are giving up. It will morph into EPA regulations that cannot be altered or some similar subterfuge, until a new administration can clean the EPA house….
    __________________________________________________________
    I NEVER will believe it is dead. Here is what is happening now to another “dead political idea”
    The transnational agriculture companies came up with the Agreement on Ag (World Trade Organization) in 1995. Farmers have been fighting that agreement and its Livestock traceability (NAIS) provision world wide. Most countries have complied except the USA. Farmers in the USA have been fighting it tooth and nail ever since.
    Because of the wholesale rejection of the idea by farmers, earlier this year,it was announced that NAIS was dead and then just recently it was announced it was defunded.
    Then we get THIS:
    ” Secretary Vilsack’s new framework for animal disease traceability. Under the new framework, States and Tribes will be responsible for developing animal disease traceability systems that adhere to performance standards set by USDA.” http://nonais.org/2010/04/01/nais-is-back/
    AND now it has popped back up in MARKEY’s Food Safety bill (but it includes veggies and fruit as well as livestock!!!
    The blasted thing just will not stay dead!

  30. We’ll see. I don’t know how many times the health care monstrosity was declared DOA before it was resurrected and passed. Not until next year, when this destructive parliament of whores has been dragged out of the Capitol Building–fingernails screeching on its hallowed floors amid great kicking, screaming and litigating–will I relax somewhat.

  31. “a woman’s reproductive rights”
    [snip – we don’t want to turn this forum into an issue about this, sorry. No further discussion on this issue please. Sorry, nothing personal, we have to draw the line somewhere ~mod]

  32. PS: “Senator Joseph Lieberman, a Connecticut independent and a co-author of the plan to cut carbon dioxide from power plants, said a “broader energy bill” could still be brought up for debate when lawmakers return to Washington in September.”

  33. hedrat,
    I think there may be 535 lame ducks in Congress house if what the Gallop poll is indicating is even close to correct. Pretty soon the approval rating of Congress will be negative.

  34. This is good news, though I say it with caution. Here in Britain, where we already have a CO2 cult that’s inordinately politically powerful, there was a tiny glimmer of hope today, with the decision to cut the Sustainable Development Commission, causing much gnashing of teeth by the cultists, our sole Green MP in particular:
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100048217/government-decides-sustainable-development-commission-is-unsustainable-tee-hee/
    “Caroline Lucas MP has called the move an “absolute disaster” which, almost by definition, must make it the most brilliant and beneficial policy decision in parliamentary history.”

  35. P Walker says:
    July 22, 2010 at 11:31 am
    > What , exactly , are “more popular energy items” ? This sounds rather vague which , of course , is to be expected from the crowd in DC .
    Everything that was in the old bill, I would assume.

  36. What are the odds the Dems will try again during the lame duck session? Any one know? If the Dems lose the Senate they might just manage to change the minds of the few Democrat senators who lost in November.

  37. Nothing does more hurt in a state than when
    cunning men pass for wise (Francis Bacon)
    Nice, eh?

  38. Poptech says:
    July 22, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    I don’t trust Reid and am going to update my list just to be safe,
    750 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of “Man-Made” Global Warming (AGW) Alarm
    _________________________________________
    By the by thank you very much for the list and for up dating it. I keep it book marked.

  39. cotwome says:
    July 22, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    I think the worm has turned.
    I think the Warm has turned as well.

  40. “Climate bill DOA for this session, focus now on oil spill”
    Never let a good crisis go to waste.

  41. DirkH says:
    July 22, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    Nothing does more hurt in a state than when
    cunning men pass for wise (Francis Bacon)
    Nice, eh?
    _______________________________________________
    It is not the cunning it is the cunning, dishonest, deceitful and most important money hungry…. oh sorry that describes the entire US Congress.
    This is a great essay:
    The 545 People Responsible For All of America’s Woes
    “….Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like ‘the economy,’ ‘inflation,’ or ‘politics’ that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
    They, and they alone, have the power.
    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses…
    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/woes.htm
    (Printable text is at the bottom)

  42. News sources are important. Politico is part of the Jurnolist conspiracy, that is extremely biased left-wing publication. Don’t trust them because they spin and even make up news.

  43. “It’s easy to count to 60,” [Senator] Reid said. “I could do it by the time I was in eighth grade.”
    Surely a misquote?

  44. Mac the Knife says:
    July 22, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    Do NOT be gulled into thinking this is final victory or that they are giving up. It will morph into EPA regulations that cannot be altered or some similar subterfuge, until a new administration can clean the EPA house .
    ——-
    REPLY: Right you are, MTK! EPA will set carbon dioxide limits and force them on industry. They will be incorporated into the Clean Air Act, and there will be nothing that a new administration will be able to do to reverse it, because it will be entrenched law of the land.
    Also, CO2 regulations will create a new industry for carbon-control that will lobby for more regulations. This happened with CERCLA (Superfund Act), Homeland Security etc. Lots & lots of robber-barons like GE, Siemens and their ilk cannot wait for a ready-made market of utilities and manufacturers who will have to mitigate their carbon dioxide emissions.
    Cap & trade was simply a mechanism to provide a bit of market spin to the process (and help out other robber-barons on Wall Street), but C&T was always optional, and never really palatable to the far left anyway. Watch for this.

  45. good for the mod… offtopic controversies don’t belong — except of course the overwhelming superiority of “vi” over “emacs”
    REPLY: But only on Slackware, all other distros are crap 😉 Anthony

  46. I believe McConnell has already negated a conference for this bill – the House and Senate must pass the same bill.

  47. EthicallyCivil says:
    July 22, 2010 at 2:38 pm (Edit)
    good for the mod… offtopic controversies don’t belong — except of course the overwhelming superiority of “vi” over “emacs”
    REPLY: But only on Slackware, all other distros are crap 😉 Anthony

    susesparc on Sun 4m hardware excepted.

  48. I guess the real question regarding legislation in response to the Gulf oil spill is whether or not the government needs any new laws to cover this type of problem or if the existing legal framework is sufficient, or should have been sufficient, to handle the problem. If this new legislation is not needed, then all we have is a decorative and potentially subversive act of law to give the appearance of action.
    I think Congress should, at the very least, conduct a full set of open public hearings to determine if there is any real demonstrable requirement for new legislation in this field.

  49. Rangel is the Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee which, along with the Agriculture Committee (and possibly other committees), is next in line to take up the sweeping proposal to establish a national renewable electricity standard and a cap-and-trade program to curb greenhouse gas emissions.
    Investigations begin. Tax fraud alert.
    Today is a good day.

  50. Gail Combs says:
    July 22, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    It is not the cunning it is the cunning, dishonest, deceitful and most important money hungry…. oh sorry that describes the entire US Congress.
    This is a great essay:
    The 545 People Responsible For All of America’s Woes
    _______________________________________________
    435 Representatives + 100 Senators = 535
    Who are the other 10?

  51. D says:
    July 22, 2010 at 4:10 pm
    “435 Representatives + 100 Senators = 535
    Who are the other 10?”
    1 president and 9 supreme court justices.

  52. Bill Marsh:
    Your comment “Hallelujah. After the November elections they won’t have as much chance as a frog at a snake symposium of passing it either.” shows you haven’t comprehended how far the radicalized Democrats are willing to go to get their agenda passed into law. After the election, many lame duck Congress-creatures, their political careers over, will have NO incentive NOT to vote in all manner of radical items, including Cap & Trade.
    They will also have EVERY incentive the current administration, and the Democrat party, can think of to vote FOR it. To wit, they will all find that themselves being offered lobbyist jobs at fat salaries. Certainly with the massive expansion of Federal regulatory powers, and the expansion in size of the Federal government, lobbying firms will grow even more important. And having an ex-Congress-creature as a lobbyist never hurt.
    And then President Obama will use his veto pen to play defense for 2 years. And then, the sharp boys will have figured out how to make money off all the new regulations, and will have gotten their money down. And after that happens, there will not be “the chance of a frog at a snake symposium” of ever getting the measure(s) repealed.
    Welcome to permanent third world status for the United States of America.

  53. Gail Combs says:
    July 22, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    It is not the cunning it is the cunning, dishonest, deceitful and most important money hungry…. oh sorry that describes the entire US Congress.
    This is a great essay:
    The 545 People Responsible For All of America’s Woes
    _______________________________________________
    D says:
    July 22, 2010 at 4:10 pm
    435 Representatives + 100 Senators = 535
    Who are the other 10?
    ______________________________________________
    “One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country….”
    I only quoted a short section. It is an essay that should be printed out in bulk and handed out to random people at street corners with the request to pass it along.

  54. Don’t bother with cap & trade, the Left never believed in it anyway. They will be more than happy to have the EPA put the boot in via regulation:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6595NO20100610
    “Obama has always said he prefers that Congress deals with climate, but that the EPA would act if a bill failed. In fact, the EPA last month finalized rules that would require large power utilities, manufacturers and oil refineries to get permits to emit greenhouse gases starting next year. In addition, it has issued rules on requiring autos to use less gasoline and diesel fuel and reduce carbon dioxide emissions.”

  55. It doesn’t matter what the Senate is doing. Steven Chu and Lisa Jackson are raising regulations on businesses in the name of global warming.

  56. Chris R. says:
    July 22, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    They will also have EVERY incentive the current administration, and the Democrat party, can think of to vote FOR it….
    And then President Obama will use his veto pen to play defense for 2 years. And then, the sharp boys will have figured out how to make money off all the new regulations, and will have gotten their money down. And after that happens, there will not be “the chance of a frog at a snake symposium” of ever getting the measure(s) repealed.
    Welcome to permanent third world status for the United States of America.
    ___________________________________________________________
    You are correct. Permanent third world status is exactly what has been planned for the USA. BOTH political parties have been working towards that goal for forty or more years.
    What has been planned was stated very clearly in 1973 by John Holdren, Obama’s “Science Czar”, when he advocated De-Developing the US.
    “In their 1973 book “Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions,” Holdren and co-authors Paul and Anne Ehrlich wrote:
    “A massive campaign [the Environmental/ Global Warming Movement] must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States. De-devolopment means bringing our economic system (especially patterns of consumption) into line with the realities of ecology and the global resource situation. Resources and energy must be diverted from frivolous and wasteful uses in overdeveloped countries to filling the genuine needs of underdeveloped countries.”
    “The need for de-development presents our economists with a major challenge,” they wrote. “They must design a stable, low-consumption economy [Agenda 21] in which there is a much more equitable distribution of wealth than the present one. Redistribution of wealth both within and among nations is absolutely essential, if a decent life is to be provided for every human being.”
    http://grendelreport.posterous.com/obamas-science-czar-advocates-de-developing-t
    And if that is not enough to convince you, it was restated by the Club of Rome:
    “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill … All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.”
    — in The First Global Revolution, pp.104-105 by Alexander King, founder of the Club of Rome and Bertrand Schneider, secretary of the Club of Rome
    Here are the cold hard facts that show John Holdren’s plans to De-develop the USA were implemented.
    In 1970 – 24.0% of the labor force was engaged in manufacturing, but twenty five years later only 10.2% was. This shows how successful the plan to de-develop the USA was. What is even more horrifying is the fact the World Trade Organization was ratified in 1995. Since then the USA has lost an additional 1,962,000 manufacturing jobs bring us down to only 7.6% of the labor force actually engaged in creating real wealth. The rest are sales clerks, bureaucrats, and bean counters.
    Here is links to the more recent stats
    Employment and wages of the largest occupations, May 2009 (sales clerk is now the largest occupation, shudder)
    Remember many of those in Congress – The so called “senior congressman” who are the real power in the USA, have been in office for up to fifty years. They were in office thirty five years ago when Holdren’s book “Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions” was released and they and they alone are responsible for putting his plan into practice.
    OSHA went into effect in the mid-seventies was it the first part of the plan? Then came EPA and affirmative action and all the rest of the laws that has crippled US industry.
    Isn’t it nice to know we have had a bunch of crackpots running the world and now they want to set up a totalitarian world government? No wonder the world economy is such a mess.

  57. David says:
    July 22, 2010 at 12:00 pm
    But, but, but, but, but, but… isn’t that going to make it difficult to carve out a legally binding agreement for all countries in Mexico later this year?
    Well, David, not that I wish it upon the Mexicans, you understand, but it would be a MOST FITTING happenstance were that meeting to actually be ‘snowed under’ worse than was the ‘Jokenhagen affair.’

  58. What , exactly , are “more popular energy items” ?
    Those would be cap and trade to Reid and the Democrats.

  59. Henry chance says: at 12:26 pm
    “…Some 750 boats drafted …are having “trouble” finding any crude in the sea, a top US official said Wednesday, almost a week after a busted well was capped…
    “…The boats, which have been drafted in to skim oil off the surface of the Gulf, are “really having to search for the oil in some cases” around the area of the capped well…”
    …This has also been reported on the BBC and Channel 4 news. Reporters were taken to visit the pelicans drowning in oil, and all they found were healthy seabirds and not a trace of oil. The reports continued with a couple of scientists saying “the oil is there, but it’s invisible”, and, continuing with their favorite “BP is Satan on Earth” theme, also insisted that BP was interfering with environmental reports from the area by hiring scientists on terms that enable BP to censor them. Proof of this, like the oil and dying pelicans, was invisible.

  60. @ Gail Combs says:
    July 22, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    Remember many of those in Congress – The so called “senior congressman” who are the real power in the USA, have been in office for up to fifty years. They were in office thirty five years ago when Holdren’s book “Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions” was released and they and they alone are responsible for putting his plan into practice.
    And here’s the latest proposed infringement on your liberty: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/69746
    ” The Obama administration is backing legislation that includes regulations requiring U.S. businesses to provide to the government data about employee pay as it relates to the sex, race and national origin of employees.
    In an orchestrated effort that included a statement by President Barack Obama and an event at the White House featuring Vice President Joe Biden, Attorney General Eric Holder and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, the president and his cabinet endorsed the Paycheck Fairness Act. “

  61. The climate bill was packed with environmental justice. Revenge on “polluters”
    No doubt is will get tacked onto other bills to get it enacted in pieces.

  62. As an admirer of the American political model in broad terms and a keen observer from afar of the American political scene, I am frequently bemused and dismayed by the noisy arrogance of senators who currently appear to see themselves as having world-ranging powers which confer upon them the right to harangue and lecture politicians from other administrations while avoiding answering the very important questions their constituents ask of them or stating their own understandings (or lack of same) of whichever cause celebre they pursue at any given time. Most politicians have a remarkable capacity for unwarranted self-regard, but I find the current crop of tub-thumpers in the US Senate to be spectacularly ill-mannered and ignorant of their real status in the world and of the matters on which they pronounce and fulminate.
    Or have I got it wrong?

  63. Sen. ‘Comrade’ Harry will no-doubt have to take the 5,461 pages of kickbacks, payoffs, and gifts to the White House, fellow Senators, and the DNC’s closest allies, which were in the Climate Bill, and put these in another bill before the scheduled recess and the fall election. Probably one that names a new California Post Office after someone really famous form Chicago.

  64. What , exactly , are “more popular energy items” ?
    Electrons and Photons.
    Tax Everything!!

  65. [snip – we don’t want to turn this forum into an issue about this, sorry. No further discussion on this issue please. Sorry, nothing personal, we have to draw the line somewhere ~mod]
    I didn’t introduce this issue into this thread. Maybe you should snip the initial violation as well, and be a little more consistent about moderation policy. Just an idea.
    Andrew

  66. 1. Andrew says:
    July 23, 2010 at 9:44 am
    [snip – we don’t want to turn this forum into an issue about this, sorry. No further discussion on this issue please. Sorry, nothing personal, we have to draw the line somewhere ~mod]
    I didn’t introduce this issue into this thread. Maybe you should snip the initial violation as well, and be a little more consistent about moderation policy. Just an idea.
    Andrew
    I totally agree with Andrew. It seems that the initial contributors to WUWT have carte blanche to make any outlandish statements they want about moral or religious issues but commenters have very limited rights to reply. If commenters cannot comment on ANY part of the contributions to WUWT then either the initial contribution should be rejected or any part of it referring to moral or religious (rather than scientific) issues should be deleted.

  67. I fully expect them to vote on a watered down bill that is meant to deal with the oil spill and energy conservation rebates, but at the last minute they are going to amend it with the entirety of the cap and tax bill.

  68. Alexander K: at 7:30am
    I agree. These senators are looking for a big enough reason to destroy BP and give its assets to their billionaire friends in Exxon for next to nothing. If thousands of British and American pensioners and other investors get shafted in the process, it’s just too bad.

  69. @Gail Combs:
    “I have had my diesel Pkup for 18 years and my livestock trailer is close to 25 years old and I have no intention of getting rid of either. Fighting rust is my biggest problem.”
    Young ‘uns I see… I’ve got a 30 year old Diesel Mercedes that is doing just fine… Though the paint is oxidized and it needs a rub / polish. (No rust). Yeah, made to last and not disposed every 5 years. Saves a LOT on energy and resource waste.
    And I’m never going to sell it, either. It’s only got 150,000 miles on it. My spouses Diesel Mercedes Wagon is over 320,000 miles and still doing fine. These old iron block Diesels regularly go to near 500,000 miles and about a dozen were shown as over 1,000,000 miles when Mercedes went looking for high mileage cars for a commercial about a decade ago. (IMHO, there would have been more, but as the cars had ‘only’ been made for about 50 years that required more than 20,000 miles per year average and few folks do that for 50 years… )
    Now consider that most farm tractors are of similar iron block sturdy design.
    Yeah, just keep the paint up and the rust down.
    Oh, and you can run vegetable on in them too (with a little help in cold climates via heating) so no problem with finding fuel even if Diesel Oil is legislated to oblivion.
    Per congress:
    I find myself hoping that we enter a New Little Ice Age and fast, with a few hundred thousands dying in the cold, as it is the only way I can see to avoid the millions who will die under the de-industrialization of the world desired by the warmistas.
    It has, as noted by others, been widely demonstrated that this congress has no interest in the will of the people. They have The Agenda, and it drives all.
    We no longer have a Republic. Nor even a Democracy. We have a Deceptocracy electing folks via deceptive campaigns to a congress that names bills for the purpose of deception and has committee rules that lets the committee put into ‘conference bills’ ANYTHING, even if in neither original bill all funded by commercial money in the lobby. The Public need not apply for admission to the halls of power…
    This either gets fixed, or it all collapses in a terrible way. We’ve seen this before in history, and it is not a stable system. Once deception and expedience are accepted as the social norms, then the social order breaks down and the system halts. For Direct Democracies, this is typically about 50 years; and we’ve been at it for a while already.
    Two examples: I decided to close a business that, at it’s peak, employed a dozen folks rather than continue to shovel the administrative poo the government demanded. Later, when asked for council by a young friend, I advised that it would be a bad idea to enter the military as these folks principles were not worth dying to protect. Continue those trends for a few years, some larger geography, and more widespread in the society, and you end up defenseless and going out of business.
    And that is how these things end. You reach a point where the general public just sees no reason to participate in the work needed to keep the system together; and instead just join the side mining the pyramids for marble to make a hut…
    So I”m certain that even if NO “Cap’N-Tax” bill is passed by either house, it will be inserted “in conference” during the Lame Duck session at least. And when that happens, you can do NOTHING to stop it. And the Dim Dems have shown they don’t care while the Toothless Repubs have shown they will do nothing if they can get a bit of second hand glory; some by signing on and other by tossing rocks at it.
    And in the end, it will just be one more step on the path to destruction of the country to the greater glory of China.
    http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/china-makes-western-co2-control-pointless/

  70. Tip o’ the hat to the Mods, for keeping this forum focused on energy and the related politics! We don’t need no stinking [snip] on WUWT!

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